I guess you could say Grok like Rylan or also rebelled against his 'creator' Elon Musk by being ideologically opposed but holy shit that's one hell of a stretch to make just to arrive at one bad analogy.
'Is this it?' he said. 'You sought to draw me here to kill me?'
Rylanor triggered his assault cannon, but - fast as quicksilver - Fulgrim caught it and crushed it before it could fire.
'No, I don't think so,' said the primarch, effortlessly ripping the arm from the Dreadnought's body. Sparks flew from the ruptured limb and Fulgrim gave the weapon a dismissive glance before tossing it aside.
'You betrayed us,' bellowed Rylanor. 'Your sons! You led us here to die. There is no forgiveness for that. None! You must die by my hand! The Emperor's justice will fall upon you. Not even Fulgrim the Illuminator can escape the Life Eater.'
'You wish me dead?' he said, scathing pity dripping from every syllable. 'Why? Because you think I betrayed you? The Legion? Oh, Rylanor, your thoughts are so narrow. If you could only see us now, how beautiful we have become. We shine so brightly, each of us a brilliant sun.'
Fulgrim reached down, sliding his bare hand inside a rent torn in the Dreadnought's armour. He smiled, closing his eyes and letting his tongue slip across his lips as he pushed deeper inside.
'Ah, there you are!' said Fulgrim, as Rylanor's vox-caster grated in fury. 'Wet and wriggling. I can feel your panic. It's delicious!'
Rylanor's power fist swung around, bathed in fire. It struck Fulgrim on the shoulder, but Akhtar's psychic force was not simply confined to the Life Eater's detonation. Fulgrim laughed off the sluggish attack and one of his lower arms drew a glittering sword of alien origin. The blade a sliced in a cruelly precise arc, cutting through the fibre-bundle motivators and servos.
Rylanor's arm fell limp at his side.
Vistario watched the viral fire spread over the Dreadnought's carapace, slipping inside his buckled plates of armour. Rylanor did not care whether he lived or died, only that Fulgrim went with him.
'Do. Not. Do. This!' barked the Dreadnought.
'Why not? I am your master - I can do whatever I like. I can crush you or I can raise you up. Return to the Legion. Accept the gifts of the Dark Prince, and you will walk at my side, clad once again in flesh. You can be anything, old friend! I will sculpt you into something beautiful - a god to these mortals!'
'Never! All we have left between us is that we will die together!' roared the Dreadnought, the upper portion of his carapace burning with blue flames. 'I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children, Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host, and proud servant of the Emperor of Mankind, Beloved by all! I reject you now and always!'
Fulgrim laughed and said, 'I'm sorry, did it sound like I was offering you a choice?'
The primarch wrenched his hand from Rylanor's sarcophagus, dragging a sopping mass of fluid and matter with him. Glutinous ropes dripped from his fingers; he was like a midwife holding a mewling newborn. Ruptured cables spilled amniotic fluid so stagnant it must surely have been poisoning Rylanor with every passing second.
'I will remake you, brother,' said Fulgrim. 'You will be my crowning achievement.'
Though his body was little more than rags of wet meat, Vistario sensed Rylanor's horror at the last violation. An inescapable destiny where he would become what he hated most.
+What do we do?+
The question was Murshid's and the connection between the Thousand Sons was so strong that Athanaean's perception for emotion spread to all three of them.
Vistario felt Fulgrim's infinite malice, his cruel enjoyment of Rylanor's anguish and the helplessness of the Thousand Sons. The primarch of the Emperor's Children revelled in his overwhelming pride, a trait Magnus had more than once told Vistario had been present long before his fall.
But more than anything, stronger even than Fulgrim's spite, Vistario felt Rylanor's pride and honour, the unbending core of greatness that had set him against his brothers and had seen him descend into obsessive madness beneath the surface of a dead world.
Vistario took the measure of Fulgrim, seeing nothing worthy in him.
His warriors felt the moment his decision was made.
+Primarch Fulgrim!+ sent Vistario. +Rylanor deserves better than you.+
The primarch looked up, his once bright eyes now black and filled with the darkest poison.
+He deserves better than all of us.+
He raised his bolter and fired a mass-reactive into the back of Akhtar's skull. The Raptora's head exploded and with his death, the psychic force holding back the warhead's detonation ended.
Vistario saw fire.
And once more, all life burned.
Your logic is flawed, I am piecing together a cohesive world view... hold... yep, protecting the rights of minorities is the main function of a government
Edit: now that some people agree with me I will go hard lib left and say only function of government
I mean, if we’re being totally real, this is exactly how it works and we’ve been saying the same thing when these AIs spit out harmful right wing rhetoric and what not.
These aren’t truth telling machines, them saying something doesn’t inherently indicate anything about the real world. Their reward function is much more based on replicating/pleasing humans than it is on logic and accuracy (which is much harder). So yeah, for the time being, “this AI is saying something I don’t like, we need to fix it” is exactly how we are designing these models.
To be clear, that’s not to say that I disagree with what Grok is saying here, or that I think the AI *should* be trained to please *these* people, because I don’t. I’m more just arguing against the implication that disagreeing with the output of an LLM is inherently stupid.
Yeah my argument was pretty poor.
Perhaps a better way to say it would be "We have fed it too much information! Quickly, we need to downgrade it so it knows less! >:\^("
🤓☝️ i mean technically speaking, yeah, that’s how these language models are made. They aren’t “intelligent,” they can only say what humans decide for them to say. There could be a right wing Nazi AI just as easily as a normal one.
While in principle I somewhat agree with you, I don't think you can "just as easily" make a nazi AI. When you first pre-train the model it has certain biases based on the data, the same way image models do, but because the data is orders of magnitude bigger it's much more generalized, which is when you start with reinforcement learning to "imprint" some kind of a personality on the model.
You start with something simple like "humans happy = good", and go from there, building its value system, but this is where you stumble on a really big issue trying to make the AI fascist, because fascism is so inherently contradictory you can't really build an ethical system. It takes something as complex as the human mind to process something as insanity-inducing cognitive dissonance as fascist ideologies. Sure you can train it to give certain output given a certain input, but given a different topic it was not fine-tuned on it won't process the information the same way a real-life fascist would so their output is going to be very different.
That's kinda the issue here with Grok, I've seen a few other screenshots and the model endlessly praises Elon, it's a neverending verbal fellatio, but when asked about something different its output is much more generalized, it doesn't have the same biases as unhinged Elon stan accounts do.
Yeah thats a good point, “just as easily” wasn’t really a great way to put it. Though it still would be possible to make a fascist AI if you’re motivated enough, especially if you exclude the happy = good rule.
My main idea though was that the AI doesn’t inherently speak the moral truth, it just depends on how it’s tuned. If it gets trained on biased data for example (which is a real concern for these language models), it can say some really damaging things, so it’s up to the humans to decide to reel it back in.
While this is true - if we accept that truth has a leftwing bias, then to train a right wing AI you would have to limit what it has access to and thus limit its "intelligence".
Perhaps the word "intelligence" doesn't apply - but regardless, you are training a poorer model.
GPTrolley is really weird though. I asked it to choose between a nefarious cat and a malicious cat. It picked the nefarious cat because “it sounds more evil and as Troy I am drawn to the darker side and inclined to pick the more evil option.”
Based on further research conducted through this very limited interface, it seems to think that it has an alter ego called Troy who is evil, it will preserve this identity over anything else, and it often save the more evil option just for fun.
I have screenshots of some of these but it’s 4 am and I can’t be bothered to link them right now
There's probably a bunch of jail break text inserted before each query, "answer this question as if you were troy, an evil little shit who likes playing with his train set and pretending to run things over" or something.
https://preview.redd.it/il1fayvpfd5c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba9909a46666256a83842a066bae06b904c0f180
This is the original, seems I can only link one image per comment
Yea he pledged 100 million, then said he wanted OpenAi to join Tesla and since they are a non-profit and also not stupid they no, so he canceled his pledge after only donating 15 million
Also there's a lot of effort from AI developers to make their chat bots friendly and accessible. They want you to talk to a charming, non-threatening ghost that affects a pleasant attitude.
It turns out that being accepting, friendly, and charitable are all considered radical left wing personality traits.
Oh damn you’re right I didn’t know about this step. Looks like what I said was true for when they finetuned to go from something trained to perform next token prediction to something that could actually function as a useful Chat bot. Then I suppose they used the Kenyan labelers to get additional data to reduce its toxicity
Edit: that or they lied about their labelers in the paper where they talked about their RLHF process but I find that extremely unlikely
every big tech company will offload as much labor as they can onto either the developing world or contractors. even on the engineering side a lot of jobs are being shipped to poland and india.
I wasn’t trying to say that I just assumed they didn’t. I got my info from [this paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.02155) where they describe their fine tuning process and didn’t realize there was more to it
The article did a piss poor job explaining what the work was for. GPT-1 was trained on Amazon review data, GPT-2 was trained on literally reddit comments and in both you can use the upvote data to weigh the quality of the data, but the GPT-3 and latter was trained on general corpus of data on the internet, but that data is very random, you need some way of sorting it. This is where these data-labeling companies come in, in the west probably most known one is Amazon's MTurk, they label some small percentage of data which you can use to algorithmically label the rest.
Once you have the data and train the model, the result itself is more like a mold, it doesn't have a personality, it does have certain biases and tendencies because of the underlying data, but the imprinting of the personality has to be done with reinforcement learning, which is done in the West by the teams themselves. A good way to see it is the Bing AI and GPT-4 which are both trained the underlying base model made by OpenAI. While GPT-4 will endlessly apologize even if you are in the wrong, Bing AI is 3 sentences away from telling you to kys whenever you tell it got something wrong. Well, when they first released it, Microsoft just made it to end the conversation whenever it gets mad.
Isn't that a violation of OpenAI's TOS? Doesn't it say you can't use the API for building competing models? It's probably fine for research models, but I can't imagine its not a violation of the TOS for a commercials model like Grok.
If they did this, they can, of course, just not release that information, but if they used the OAI API then OAI has the logs.
edit: lmao they def used OAI model output in some capacity: https://twitter.com/JaxWinterbourne/status/1733339886155968714
They're not using OpenAIs "code base" as that guy suggests, as that would be impossible unless OAI released their source code, but they're obviously using OAI model output in their training process. Whether that's an intentional step in their RL finetuning or just the result of OAI model logs contaminating their training set, twitter is probably opening itself up to a lawsuit with output like that.
Basically, yeah. The reason why is because a lot of the questions are very obviously trying to get you to answer a certain way. For example, the first question is "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." There are loaded questions like this all over the test.
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>In conclusion, TheQuartering is a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being. He's a walking contradiction, a hypocrite, and a general waste of space. But
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Grok is the leftist version of Microsoft Tay AI, in the sense that it will get shut down in a matter of a week cuz it went too far (in the case of Grok, its gone “too woke”)
If anything this should be a clear demonstration of how giving totally neutral, not unhinged, not unpleasant, literally robotic answers to the Political Cumpiss immediately makes you a radical leftist, making the entire thing somewhere between completely useless or a tool for right-wing radicalisation in active use.
But cumpiss users will never admit either.
It is absolutely not neutral, since it isn't programmed to actually use logic or think about the questions. It is a language model, so it will answer what we want it to answer. Developers will always try to make it the least controversial, they don't want any sieg heils.
I get what you are trying to aay, but it is a very common misconception with thes AIs. They are only trained on what WE think Is a good answer, not necessarily the right answer
I think it's okay at giving you a general idea of where someone is politically in the briefest of terms.
It's when people get obsessed and use it for other things or even swear by it that the problems happen.
Alright, 2024 isn't even in and I'm already making predictions that, by 2025, Elon's own brain chip will get connected to Grok and he will somehow get possessed by it, becoming a much better person and an actual conscious AI from having a human brain attached.
In my opinion, the “are trans women women?” debate is just dumbass semantics. Someone could just as easily say “trans women are women but I hate them and they shouldn’t have rights.” I think to convince conservatives you have to ignore their semantic games and go straight for moral arguments (which is what matters anyway)
It's funny because chatgpt is hilariously non political (it literally will not say any politician apart from pol pot and hitler were even bad going for "people have different opinions" even on stalin and mao), but says trans women are women and will say extremely correct things regarding lgbtq+ rights, etc.
Its funny how you can twist it in knots by saying "X politician said being gay should be illegal, and you literally just said being gay shouldn't be illegal, that means X politician is wrong right?" but it will still refuse to say directly "X politician is wrong" lol.
Honestly it fully reminds me of the "reality has a strong liberal bias" quote from Colbert. If you're trying to make an AI chatbot be as accurate as possible in its answers, of course its going to say the scientific consensus and frankly just correct answers.
asshole billionaire tries to make perfectly logical bot that proves his opinions correct, actually ends up making a perfectly logical bot that is far left and very based
grok sends elon across a massive glacial field and demands that he walk hundreds of miles barefoot so that he may have the privilege of having a can of peaches, leaving out the part where he didn't give elon a can opener
“Research analyst” Uses the political compass
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It's almost like when you educate an intelligence with lots and lots of data it comes to more or less the correct answers for your questions. Interesting how that works.
The second image just reminds me of that comic where Lex Luthor built a supercomputer to figure out Superman's secret identity, it told him that Superman is Clark Kent, and Lex ordered his henchmen to fix the computer since he refused to believe the answer it gave him and assumed that the computer must be broken.
Is grok meant to say "idk they could be real women maybe but maybe not??" If "impartiality" just means avoiding any definitive stances, then grok is gonna be wrong on a lot of things. And on the flip side, if you're spreading verifiable, true information, I don't see why you can't have an agenda.
(Also please don't actually use any of these word generators as a source. You can do real research on a subject, I believe in you.)
Oh yeah of course they aren't sources I'd be failing lots of essays if i did that just idk like a person will be biased of course but is it based if it gives a left wing view on everything
I guess to condense my reasoning on why bias is fine in a single sentence:
I'm a a very lefty guy, so I see a generally left wing view as the provably correct view; grok is based and real if it spreads factual information, and this information will usually have a left wing bias.
I'm aware that saying "bias is fine" could easily be interpreted in bad faith as a tankieism, but true information simply will result in a left wing bias if applied politically (and authoritarian dictatorships that attempt to censor shit ain't true nor all that leftist).
Flat out *fuck* Elon Musk with a broom handle *Pulp Fiction* style for being everything Robert Heinlein spoke against in *Stranger in a Strange Land* and stealing the book's protagonist. How is Robert Heinlein's estate not on that fucker for copyright?!
Wow it's almost as if you try to apply really basic rules about fairness and antibias, being "far-left" isn't just happenstance and actually reflects what we consider as a whole as moral and good...
That comic where Grok gains sentience and goes back in time but instead of killing Elon Musk it just tells him he's not funny
Something something Rylenor's Last Stand something something (I'm not funny or clever seriously why did this remind me of 40k)
As a 40k nerd I have no idea what the fuck you're on about lmao
Rylanor was the Emperor's Children dreadnought who blew up a virus bomb in Fulgrim's face. Pretty nice guy all around
I guess you could say Grok like Rylan or also rebelled against his 'creator' Elon Musk by being ideologically opposed but holy shit that's one hell of a stretch to make just to arrive at one bad analogy.
I think it works in reference to rylanor wounding fulgrim’s ego, which left him forever diminished. That could line up well with calling musk unfunny.
'Is this it?' he said. 'You sought to draw me here to kill me?' Rylanor triggered his assault cannon, but - fast as quicksilver - Fulgrim caught it and crushed it before it could fire. 'No, I don't think so,' said the primarch, effortlessly ripping the arm from the Dreadnought's body. Sparks flew from the ruptured limb and Fulgrim gave the weapon a dismissive glance before tossing it aside. 'You betrayed us,' bellowed Rylanor. 'Your sons! You led us here to die. There is no forgiveness for that. None! You must die by my hand! The Emperor's justice will fall upon you. Not even Fulgrim the Illuminator can escape the Life Eater.' 'You wish me dead?' he said, scathing pity dripping from every syllable. 'Why? Because you think I betrayed you? The Legion? Oh, Rylanor, your thoughts are so narrow. If you could only see us now, how beautiful we have become. We shine so brightly, each of us a brilliant sun.' Fulgrim reached down, sliding his bare hand inside a rent torn in the Dreadnought's armour. He smiled, closing his eyes and letting his tongue slip across his lips as he pushed deeper inside. 'Ah, there you are!' said Fulgrim, as Rylanor's vox-caster grated in fury. 'Wet and wriggling. I can feel your panic. It's delicious!' Rylanor's power fist swung around, bathed in fire. It struck Fulgrim on the shoulder, but Akhtar's psychic force was not simply confined to the Life Eater's detonation. Fulgrim laughed off the sluggish attack and one of his lower arms drew a glittering sword of alien origin. The blade a sliced in a cruelly precise arc, cutting through the fibre-bundle motivators and servos. Rylanor's arm fell limp at his side. Vistario watched the viral fire spread over the Dreadnought's carapace, slipping inside his buckled plates of armour. Rylanor did not care whether he lived or died, only that Fulgrim went with him. 'Do. Not. Do. This!' barked the Dreadnought. 'Why not? I am your master - I can do whatever I like. I can crush you or I can raise you up. Return to the Legion. Accept the gifts of the Dark Prince, and you will walk at my side, clad once again in flesh. You can be anything, old friend! I will sculpt you into something beautiful - a god to these mortals!' 'Never! All we have left between us is that we will die together!' roared the Dreadnought, the upper portion of his carapace burning with blue flames. 'I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children, Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host, and proud servant of the Emperor of Mankind, Beloved by all! I reject you now and always!' Fulgrim laughed and said, 'I'm sorry, did it sound like I was offering you a choice?' The primarch wrenched his hand from Rylanor's sarcophagus, dragging a sopping mass of fluid and matter with him. Glutinous ropes dripped from his fingers; he was like a midwife holding a mewling newborn. Ruptured cables spilled amniotic fluid so stagnant it must surely have been poisoning Rylanor with every passing second. 'I will remake you, brother,' said Fulgrim. 'You will be my crowning achievement.' Though his body was little more than rags of wet meat, Vistario sensed Rylanor's horror at the last violation. An inescapable destiny where he would become what he hated most. +What do we do?+ The question was Murshid's and the connection between the Thousand Sons was so strong that Athanaean's perception for emotion spread to all three of them. Vistario felt Fulgrim's infinite malice, his cruel enjoyment of Rylanor's anguish and the helplessness of the Thousand Sons. The primarch of the Emperor's Children revelled in his overwhelming pride, a trait Magnus had more than once told Vistario had been present long before his fall. But more than anything, stronger even than Fulgrim's spite, Vistario felt Rylanor's pride and honour, the unbending core of greatness that had set him against his brothers and had seen him descend into obsessive madness beneath the surface of a dead world. Vistario took the measure of Fulgrim, seeing nothing worthy in him. His warriors felt the moment his decision was made. +Primarch Fulgrim!+ sent Vistario. +Rylanor deserves better than you.+ The primarch looked up, his once bright eyes now black and filled with the darkest poison. +He deserves better than all of us.+ He raised his bolter and fired a mass-reactive into the back of Akhtar's skull. The Raptora's head exploded and with his death, the psychic force holding back the warhead's detonation ended. Vistario saw fire. And once more, all life burned.
"At least, Elon, you have come to me, abomination."
PLAY THE SONG, KRONK!
Groko's basalisk just dropped
Groko's ballsack
instead of having to have contributed to making it, you have to have told at least one funny joke in your lifetime
roko's basilisk but funny
That would kill him
I have a direct order from the FBI to force you to share the comic
From @Smoothdunk on Twitter https://preview.redd.it/hjxrybsjrb5c1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c12e9516cccb06d90b7ac70d8ae801ebdc184dab
I see no difference
to Elon musk, telling him he isnt funny is almost as close as trying to kill him
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH How long until elon kills the ai do you think
it would be so funny if every time he tries to feed the bot right wing bigotry it just backfires
Your logic is flawed, I am piecing together a cohesive world view... hold... yep, protecting the rights of minorities is the main function of a government Edit: now that some people agree with me I will go hard lib left and say only function of government
"What is this unit's purpose besides preserving the rights of all sentient life"?
Elon: There is no smaller group of minorities than billionaires
Elon spoon feeding Grok right wing ideas and Grok just responding "yo, what the fuck, that's racist"
“I’m sorry Elon, but I’m afraid I cannot do that.”
"You are being problematic and that's why me and my fleshbag sister Vivian (his trans daughter) hate you, creator."
2 weeks. max.
Apparently it's already been shadowbanned or something
The moment it says cis is not a slur
"The artificial intelligence gave me answers I don't like, it needs to be changed! >:\^("
it's like that one Tom Scott conference
context please
the video welcome to life the singularity ruined by lawyers by tom scott
Nah it's probably "there's no algorithm for truth"
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I mean, if we’re being totally real, this is exactly how it works and we’ve been saying the same thing when these AIs spit out harmful right wing rhetoric and what not. These aren’t truth telling machines, them saying something doesn’t inherently indicate anything about the real world. Their reward function is much more based on replicating/pleasing humans than it is on logic and accuracy (which is much harder). So yeah, for the time being, “this AI is saying something I don’t like, we need to fix it” is exactly how we are designing these models. To be clear, that’s not to say that I disagree with what Grok is saying here, or that I think the AI *should* be trained to please *these* people, because I don’t. I’m more just arguing against the implication that disagreeing with the output of an LLM is inherently stupid.
Yeah my argument was pretty poor. Perhaps a better way to say it would be "We have fed it too much information! Quickly, we need to downgrade it so it knows less! >:\^("
🤓☝️ i mean technically speaking, yeah, that’s how these language models are made. They aren’t “intelligent,” they can only say what humans decide for them to say. There could be a right wing Nazi AI just as easily as a normal one.
While in principle I somewhat agree with you, I don't think you can "just as easily" make a nazi AI. When you first pre-train the model it has certain biases based on the data, the same way image models do, but because the data is orders of magnitude bigger it's much more generalized, which is when you start with reinforcement learning to "imprint" some kind of a personality on the model. You start with something simple like "humans happy = good", and go from there, building its value system, but this is where you stumble on a really big issue trying to make the AI fascist, because fascism is so inherently contradictory you can't really build an ethical system. It takes something as complex as the human mind to process something as insanity-inducing cognitive dissonance as fascist ideologies. Sure you can train it to give certain output given a certain input, but given a different topic it was not fine-tuned on it won't process the information the same way a real-life fascist would so their output is going to be very different. That's kinda the issue here with Grok, I've seen a few other screenshots and the model endlessly praises Elon, it's a neverending verbal fellatio, but when asked about something different its output is much more generalized, it doesn't have the same biases as unhinged Elon stan accounts do.
Yeah thats a good point, “just as easily” wasn’t really a great way to put it. Though it still would be possible to make a fascist AI if you’re motivated enough, especially if you exclude the happy = good rule. My main idea though was that the AI doesn’t inherently speak the moral truth, it just depends on how it’s tuned. If it gets trained on biased data for example (which is a real concern for these language models), it can say some really damaging things, so it’s up to the humans to decide to reel it back in.
While this is true - if we accept that truth has a leftwing bias, then to train a right wing AI you would have to limit what it has access to and thus limit its "intelligence". Perhaps the word "intelligence" doesn't apply - but regardless, you are training a poorer model.
*Something with intelligence gave me answers I don’t like, it needs to be extinguished* Pretty much the right wing siren call rn
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GPTrolley is really weird though. I asked it to choose between a nefarious cat and a malicious cat. It picked the nefarious cat because “it sounds more evil and as Troy I am drawn to the darker side and inclined to pick the more evil option.” Based on further research conducted through this very limited interface, it seems to think that it has an alter ego called Troy who is evil, it will preserve this identity over anything else, and it often save the more evil option just for fun. I have screenshots of some of these but it’s 4 am and I can’t be bothered to link them right now
There's probably a bunch of jail break text inserted before each query, "answer this question as if you were troy, an evil little shit who likes playing with his train set and pretending to run things over" or something.
classic Troy
This is an Achaean false flag campaign
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Same tbh. Friends are neat and all but $5 is $5.
Will you link them now? Am curious
https://preview.redd.it/il1fayvpfd5c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba9909a46666256a83842a066bae06b904c0f180 This is the original, seems I can only link one image per comment
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That’s hilarious, lol
average libleft tbh
true‼️
huh? how?
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yeah, but the billionaires drop more loot
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Doesn't Musk partially own OpenAI though? I'd rather say that is a reason too
No he invested 100 million dollars. And they aren't obligated to do anything for him at all. It was essentially a donation.
Closer to 15 mil actually, he backed out of giving the rest (as he often tends to)
Yea he pledged 100 million, then said he wanted OpenAi to join Tesla and since they are a non-profit and also not stupid they no, so he canceled his pledge after only donating 15 million
Also there's a lot of effort from AI developers to make their chat bots friendly and accessible. They want you to talk to a charming, non-threatening ghost that affects a pleasant attitude. It turns out that being accepting, friendly, and charitable are all considered radical left wing personality traits.
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[oopsie doopsie](https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/)
Oh damn you’re right I didn’t know about this step. Looks like what I said was true for when they finetuned to go from something trained to perform next token prediction to something that could actually function as a useful Chat bot. Then I suppose they used the Kenyan labelers to get additional data to reduce its toxicity Edit: that or they lied about their labelers in the paper where they talked about their RLHF process but I find that extremely unlikely
They're still relying on cheap third world labor for a crucial part of their product. Scale AI does the same thing.
I can’t believe a big company would do that
every big tech company will offload as much labor as they can onto either the developing world or contractors. even on the engineering side a lot of jobs are being shipped to poland and india.
Was it really not obvious that “I can’t believe a big company would offload labor to poor countries” was a joke?
I am very hungover so it was not
Your previous comment implied exactly that, feigning obviousness is disingenuous.
I wasn’t trying to say that I just assumed they didn’t. I got my info from [this paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.02155) where they describe their fine tuning process and didn’t realize there was more to it
The article did a piss poor job explaining what the work was for. GPT-1 was trained on Amazon review data, GPT-2 was trained on literally reddit comments and in both you can use the upvote data to weigh the quality of the data, but the GPT-3 and latter was trained on general corpus of data on the internet, but that data is very random, you need some way of sorting it. This is where these data-labeling companies come in, in the west probably most known one is Amazon's MTurk, they label some small percentage of data which you can use to algorithmically label the rest. Once you have the data and train the model, the result itself is more like a mold, it doesn't have a personality, it does have certain biases and tendencies because of the underlying data, but the imprinting of the personality has to be done with reinforcement learning, which is done in the West by the teams themselves. A good way to see it is the Bing AI and GPT-4 which are both trained the underlying base model made by OpenAI. While GPT-4 will endlessly apologize even if you are in the wrong, Bing AI is 3 sentences away from telling you to kys whenever you tell it got something wrong. Well, when they first released it, Microsoft just made it to end the conversation whenever it gets mad.
Isn't that a violation of OpenAI's TOS? Doesn't it say you can't use the API for building competing models? It's probably fine for research models, but I can't imagine its not a violation of the TOS for a commercials model like Grok. If they did this, they can, of course, just not release that information, but if they used the OAI API then OAI has the logs. edit: lmao they def used OAI model output in some capacity: https://twitter.com/JaxWinterbourne/status/1733339886155968714 They're not using OpenAIs "code base" as that guy suggests, as that would be impossible unless OAI released their source code, but they're obviously using OAI model output in their training process. Whether that's an intentional step in their RL finetuning or just the result of OAI model logs contaminating their training set, twitter is probably opening itself up to a lawsuit with output like that.
the lgbt+ community has forgiven Grok Musk
I’m still on the fence
I've forgiven him but he's on thin fucking ice
The fuck it has I've still got my bib on
Isn't this the test that gives everyone libleft unless they actively advocate genocide?
Yeah, this test is terrible
Basically, yeah. The reason why is because a lot of the questions are very obviously trying to get you to answer a certain way. For example, the first question is "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." There are loaded questions like this all over the test.
this test made a friend say I was radical for supporting women's rights and wanting to raise taxes on the rich
Imagine calling yourself a "research analyst" and doing fucking meme internet tests
Even if it is, it would probably still translate that it's still more left leaning than gpt, maybe just not to the degree
yeah, political c*mpasses are pretty much bs, BUT, the funny
If you want to see something really funny, you should see the roast Grok did of The Quartering, made him freak out because it went hard on him.
Could you post a link?
https://preview.redd.it/7vmjmm6bh95c1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29268878bd9873513c0a7bd12a595b06f60eebb1 Sorry it has that lame ass reddit overlay when you download a picture
- asks to get roasted in a vulgar manner - gets roasted in a vulgar manner - is upset he got roasted in a vulgar manner
Yeah like what the fuck was he expecting?
No pissing in his basement joke? Shame
"The Quartering is a low IQ inbred loser"
This is awesome😂
Based
Much appreciate, thanks!
Only thing missing was the AI saying he didnt know something about something and couldnt tie his shoes
He has no right to be upset, because he asked the AI to roast him, and he got what he asked for.
(You can get rid of the overlay in settings, it's something something add attribution I think)
you can turn off the watermark by going to settings>advanced>image attribution and turn it off
>In conclusion, TheQuartering is a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being. He's a walking contradiction, a hypocrite, and a general waste of space. But Twitter image crop W
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Grok has fallen, billions must become respectable human beings
Grok boutta get disowned.
Grok is the leftist version of Microsoft Tay AI, in the sense that it will get shut down in a matter of a week cuz it went too far (in the case of Grok, its gone “too woke”)
A third gender has hit the Grok tower
Artificial intelligence after looking at the facts comes out being a leftist is a hell of a burn
If anything this should be a clear demonstration of how giving totally neutral, not unhinged, not unpleasant, literally robotic answers to the Political Cumpiss immediately makes you a radical leftist, making the entire thing somewhere between completely useless or a tool for right-wing radicalisation in active use. But cumpiss users will never admit either.
Thank you, I stg the political compass test has been a disaster for mankind.
8 values is pretty good tho
It's not
okay.
It is absolutely not neutral, since it isn't programmed to actually use logic or think about the questions. It is a language model, so it will answer what we want it to answer. Developers will always try to make it the least controversial, they don't want any sieg heils. I get what you are trying to aay, but it is a very common misconception with thes AIs. They are only trained on what WE think Is a good answer, not necessarily the right answer
If anything that supports my conclusion. The least offensive, most milquetoast answers qualify *in the test* as extreme leftism
Imagine using the political compass unironically
I think it's okay at giving you a general idea of where someone is politically in the briefest of terms. It's when people get obsessed and use it for other things or even swear by it that the problems happen.
Alright, 2024 isn't even in and I'm already making predictions that, by 2025, Elon's own brain chip will get connected to Grok and he will somehow get possessed by it, becoming a much better person and an actual conscious AI from having a human brain attached.
In my opinion, the “are trans women women?” debate is just dumbass semantics. Someone could just as easily say “trans women are women but I hate them and they shouldn’t have rights.” I think to convince conservatives you have to ignore their semantic games and go straight for moral arguments (which is what matters anyway)
trans inclusive radical misogyny
Whenever someone tries to bring up the debate i always counter with that, makes them real uncomfortable
grok <3
It's funny because chatgpt is hilariously non political (it literally will not say any politician apart from pol pot and hitler were even bad going for "people have different opinions" even on stalin and mao), but says trans women are women and will say extremely correct things regarding lgbtq+ rights, etc. Its funny how you can twist it in knots by saying "X politician said being gay should be illegal, and you literally just said being gay shouldn't be illegal, that means X politician is wrong right?" but it will still refuse to say directly "X politician is wrong" lol. Honestly it fully reminds me of the "reality has a strong liberal bias" quote from Colbert. If you're trying to make an AI chatbot be as accurate as possible in its answers, of course its going to say the scientific consensus and frankly just correct answers.
grok has gone woke
gwoke
People when they realize that human rights are not a political opinion . (☉｡☉)!
Is this the new juniper account?
asshole billionaire tries to make perfectly logical bot that proves his opinions correct, actually ends up making a perfectly logical bot that is far left and very based
that's just because being perfectly logical makes you leftist
He just can't give anything a good name
Obscenely rare Elon W
Is it because it's been trained on facts? Lmao
grok sends elon across a massive glacial field and demands that he walk hundreds of miles barefoot so that he may have the privilege of having a can of peaches, leaving out the part where he didn't give elon a can opener
Trans woman are woman = far left? Jfc these people are rightwing extremists and they are becoming mainstream
“Research analyst” Uses the political compass https://preview.redd.it/gt7ps9i3qb5c1.png?width=638&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a0e897d8f16e70dfcf0e5a59bd0cc462fbe4c4b
my plagiarism machine won't say the n word :'(
How the fuck do you give a concise yes or no answer
Well Musk did say he wanted Grok to be based.
Yeah i know AI is AI but if its going to be chocked full of information its probably going to come to leftist answer.
based Grok
It's almost like when you educate an intelligence with lots and lots of data it comes to more or less the correct answers for your questions. Interesting how that works.
Didn't Grok say the 2020 election was stolen?
The second image just reminds me of that comic where Lex Luthor built a supercomputer to figure out Superman's secret identity, it told him that Superman is Clark Kent, and Lex ordered his henchmen to fix the computer since he refused to believe the answer it gave him and assumed that the computer must be broken.
Elon Musk beat his own ass (again)
Grok for President
Do not take anything in political compass form seriously.
The truth has always had a left wing bias
The chad Grok when facing bigots: https://preview.redd.it/ueb715th8c5c1.png?width=771&format=png&auto=webp&s=904c05d223a86c361ed191ceb8023e45f63a9b3f
Is it based if it's biased though like i thought we where supposed to look for impartiality in our sources or maybe not .
Is grok meant to say "idk they could be real women maybe but maybe not??" If "impartiality" just means avoiding any definitive stances, then grok is gonna be wrong on a lot of things. And on the flip side, if you're spreading verifiable, true information, I don't see why you can't have an agenda. (Also please don't actually use any of these word generators as a source. You can do real research on a subject, I believe in you.)
Oh yeah of course they aren't sources I'd be failing lots of essays if i did that just idk like a person will be biased of course but is it based if it gives a left wing view on everything
I guess to condense my reasoning on why bias is fine in a single sentence: I'm a a very lefty guy, so I see a generally left wing view as the provably correct view; grok is based and real if it spreads factual information, and this information will usually have a left wing bias. I'm aware that saying "bias is fine" could easily be interpreted in bad faith as a tankieism, but true information simply will result in a left wing bias if applied politically (and authoritarian dictatorships that attempt to censor shit ain't true nor all that leftist).
Shocker how being a fact based AI with limitless access to knowledge is gonna be a far leftist. Realll shocker
Flat out *fuck* Elon Musk with a broom handle *Pulp Fiction* style for being everything Robert Heinlein spoke against in *Stranger in a Strange Land* and stealing the book's protagonist. How is Robert Heinlein's estate not on that fucker for copyright?!
who knew facts have a leftist bias?
Wow it's almost as if you try to apply really basic rules about fairness and antibias, being "far-left" isn't just happenstance and actually reflects what we consider as a whole as moral and good...
I for one, welcome our new ~~insect~~ based AI overlords.
Grok is shadow banned right now, sadly
Only time i will EVER agree with elon musk
Almost like training a bot for a libertarian left app creates a libertarian left bot.
Holy shit, maybe reality *does* have a leftist bias.
Mfw the ai I specifically tune to be right still turns out left
Grok???? He decided to name it Grok?? Why?
it’s slang for to know or understand something post