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I'm all for C as an American. If I remember correctly, Fahrenheit was established by some dude going around and measuring the hottest and coldest temperatures in Europe or something, with the highest being set to 100, the lowest being set to 0. So, 100 is hot-as-balls and 0 is cold-as-balls. 50 is actually a really pleasant temperature to be outside in, with a light jacket. So it really is like a decent scale for determining how hot or cold you would feel. However, it's completely arbitrary, and people don't have any issues adjusting C measurements to 'how they feel', and it's linked to the states of one of the most common and fundamental molecules for life on earth, so... yeah. Also, I despise imperial measurements, and work in an industry where you'll never see F on a document, so... yeah. F is outdated at the very least, C is far more useful.
That’s an alternative interpretation which is believed to be constructed retroactively. Most credible signs point to his work being based on Rømer, who used a stabile brine temperature in order to define his scale. Fahrenheit modified this in several steps to get 0 being the freezing point for a brine made with water and ammonium chloride, and 96 being the temperature of a human body (anecdotally, he measured this in his wife’s armpit as she had a fever).
The scale was redefined in the early 20th century to have two fixed points, separated by 180 degrees, based on something a bit more reasonable. So 32 became the freezing point of water and 212 became the boiling point. Nowadays Fahrenheit is just defined by kelvin instead since nerds run the thermometer industry or something
I prefer Fahrenheit to Celsius. Fahrenheit allows for a finer degree of specificity for everyday use. Most places on earth range between 0-100 Fahrenheit. Sure the basis of Celsius is more scientifically sound, with 0-100 being the range of water in its liquid phase, but honestly how is that useful at all as a reference point for everyday life? Most people in their daily lives aren't interacting with temperature in a scientific way. When you check the days temp a "feel" is exactly what you want to get.
Every other imperial measurement - weight, height, volume, distance - all suck ass but Fahrenheit is good
I dunno about you, but I can definitely feel each degree of difference between a room being at 68 to 73F, so the larger difference between degrees C is a downside. If thermostats regularly did half degrees C it wouldn't be as big a deal
The reason a thermostat wouldn't use half degrees (all thermostats I've seen have had half degree C precision tho) would be because temperature fluctuations wouldn't allow for you to feel any different because of that half degree.
For everyday use it's literally just what you're used to. People from America are gonna understand Fahrenheit better and people from anywhere else are gonna understand Celsius better. Neither is objectively better.
For science Celsius is better but if you really care about science Kelvin is more objective than Celsius
is celsius really even better for science? sure, all of the world's scientists use it making it more practical, but that's not really a feature of the system. if europe decided "oh actually the réamur scale is cool, we're forcefully exporting that to the world now," then people could just as easily say that nobody uses celsius so it isn't practical.
for simplicities sake. it's not too arbitrary so important numbers are easy to remember, it's based on water which is useful, and is very easily convertible to Kelvin if needed.
but yea, you've got a point. the fact of the matter isn't that one system is better than the other, it's that the fact that we use two systems at all in the first place is kinda stupid and overly complicates everything.
No unit of measurement is more ‘objective’ than another. Whatever system you prefer is still just picking two arbitrary points, then saying “exactly x units fit in here.” Kelvin and Rankine being the exception to this rule, still use arbitrary numbers as their basis, and are therefore just as ‘objective’ as Fahrenheit or Celsius.
I worked in a temperature controlled factory for a few years so now can guess temp in C to a degree very consistently. Especially if it's near 3, 10 or 20. That said its not really massively relevant and comes from monitoring temps and moving between controlled environments on the regular. I can usually feel a rise or drop of a degree.
That being said. Can just put a decimal place in there if it matters. Any measure has infinite values to use if you desire. Fahrenheit is silly and has a silly name and people need to stop using it.
>settle for something less useful?
Literally my only interaction with temperature is what the vibes are like. Water doesn't even freeze or boil at 0-100C where I live (it's close, but the once in a decade where the precise measurement matters I have to just boil water and check no matter what scale I use). Also I can absolutely tell you whether my thermostat is set to a temp 1F or .5C up or down.
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You know that periods exist? Just add one period and you have a higher accuracy.
You are just not used to it. Many Americans actually already use Celsius in their life. My American relatives for example had a thermometer that showed both Celsius and Fahrenheit. But just the definition of Fahrenheit makes no sense to me. Why take freezing point of water at 32°F and body temperature at 96°F? Why use two totally different things for a definition? Why not at least 30 for one and 100 for the other point? And today Fahrenheit is based on Celsius.
>Every other imperial measurement - weight, ~~height~~ length, volume, ~~distance~~ length - all suck ass
Gonna have to disagree. For the same reason that Fahrenheit is good for daily use, so are gallons, lbs, feet and etc. They are *intuitive* amounts that mesh well with daily use, rather than liters, kilogram (really has to be *prefixed* making it x1000 to be a useful daily measurement), or etc. If I got a liter of milk in the fridge, for example, we're low on milk.
The metric measurements are derived from the kilogram and the meter. Now there is a certain beauty to their interconnectedness and scientific specificity and I don't think it's a bad system *for scientific use*, but it's also clearly not defined with daily use in mind.
The only reason you think that imperial units are apparently better for daily use is because you were brought up on imperial units. In other countries everyone who was brought up on metric have just as much intuitive sense of scale when it comes to liters, kilograms (just referred to as kilos), meters and so on.
Like seriously do Americans think the metric system is less intuitive? It’s literally base ten last i checked Americans still count to ten. I was brought up on the metric system could probably be 100x more efficient at measuring and conversions then most imperial system users.
Wtf that's 8 pints. Who tf gets through that much milk before it expires. I buy 2 pints of long life at a time at most and I'm still usually pushing it before the expiry
Am I being fuckin gaslit or some shit? Look, for one, there's more than just me in my household. For two, if finishing a gallon of milk before the expiration date is this herculean task you seem to think it is, then grocery stores wouldn't have an entire refrigerated section *just* for gallons of milk, cause no one would buy fuckin gallons. My family consistently finishes a gallon by the time it expires. Idk what to tell you.
How many do you have in your family? 'cause even living with my folks we only ever bought 4 pints at a time, and that was with daily cereal, tea, cooking and regular baking. What kind of shop even sells milk by the gallon? Do you go to a wholesaler or something?
Aight, shoulda probably asked sooner, but I assume you're not from the US? I knew we consume more dairy here but yeah, every grocery store here sells milk mostly by the gallon, with half gallons and pints also available. Something to note is that in addition to the uses you listed (altho ofc replace tea with coffee) we also often just drink like, a glass of it on it's own, usually with breakfast if that breakfast is something other than cereal.
I should also clarify I definitely wouldn't get through a whole gallon if I was living on my own.
Nah you're right, UK. Vast majority of milk comes in 2or 4 pint bottles, with 6 pints very occasionally available at the very largest supermarkets. Most of the time milk is usually given one half of one side of an ailse, and from what I can recall your ailses are typically about twice as long as ours?
Also no disrespect, you enjoy drinking whatever you like but the thought of drinking milk by itself makes me feel a bit rough
Units are only useful as we agree upon the use. Why use Celsius and not Kelvin if you want a more grounded, objective measurement? Is it perhaps because one “feels right” for people usage over the other? Or perhaps water is more familiar to people, but I’d argue you feel temperature slightly more often than you boil or freeze water.
He literally actually didn't. He showed why Celsius is better than *Kelvin* for human use, and then immediately showed why Fahrenheit is then better than Celsius for human use. You can live in places that average the whole range of 0-100 in Fahrenheit. You would probably be fucking dead if you lived somewhere that averaged above like 44 Celsius. Now tell me which range of numbers makes more sense for your environment's temperature?
Now yeah, for cooking or chemistry Celsius is arguably better, but saying Celsius is universally better just for that is pretty short sighted.
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You said "for the times we do boil [Celsius] sure is useful". I pointed out that Celsius isn't actually important or useful to the everyday process of boiling water.
products sold in america are standardized to farenheit and frankly it just works so we probably aren’t gonna change it. It’s not that one system is really better than the other in a vacuum, as long as you’re using some kind of standardized system the details of what system you’re using are largely arbitrary. You can measure in rankine and it frankly doesn’t matter as long as you’re internally consistent.
There's not really an "argument" for the usefulness of Celsius either, beyond scientific application which already uses Celsius as a standard and nobody is trying to change that. To the layman its *literally* just the number we use to understand the temperature. Nobody's like fucking calculating the boiling point of their big gulp you know.
Well if you want one; my dad is a limnologist in Ontario in Canada here, who was born in the us. When I asked about this, he told me that celcius is better in every way to Fahrenheit except for one fact, bassically that the distance between units in celcius is larger than the distance between units in Fahrenheit, meaning that you can get more exact and pinpoint than celcius without getting into decimals. If only Fahrenheit didnt have water freezing and boiling at 32 and 4472 or whatever the fuck
With fahrenheit the temperature is usually between 1-100 for most of the year, which makes sense.
0-100F is -17-37C. 0-100 makes more sense than -20-40 when trying to tell someone how hot something is. Hearing that something is a 70 out of 100 is more intuitive than a 21 out of 40.
Celsius is better for science of course but most people aren't scientists
I’m br*tish so use C. C makes more sense you’d think with 0 being freezing and 100 being boiling but when do you ever really think about that?
F is way better for people to use. Rest of it is all pish but I will stand up for Fahrenheit
But this is about agreeing on one unit to use for everything. Celsius is maybe a little less "intuitive" for Americans but thats just because they've less experience. Celsius is both quite useful for everyday use and also for scientific use so what does Fahrenheit have that Celsius doesn't? The only thing I've heard that Fahrenheit does better is that most places range from between 0-100 Fahrenheit but it really can't be that hard to adjust to most places on earth being between -20 and 40 degrees Celsius.
Also when you do need to boil water, distill spirits, do anything in a chemistry lab, learn anything in physics in school, etc. Celsius is so much more useful.
Oh absolutely for scientific standards, Celsius is superior. But Fahrenheit just feels better for humans, like it's more of a percentage. I just can't get behind an arbitrary number like -20 being the freezing point when it comes to weather. My personal opinion is that there shouldn't be one standard unit for every single use.
There's a ton of Americans here repeating some variety of this argument, but I really need you to understand that this is **only** because its what you are used to. If we raised a child to think that normal weather ranged from -47 to 5938 degree kucglob then that would make perfect sense to them, and they would be making the same argument right now.
Also the freezing point in Celsius is 0, while Fahrenheit has a completely arbitrary number, so I don't know what you mean by that
"I'm just going to add an arbitrary constant so it's easier to work with" okay and I'm going to shift the 0-100 scale so that it's mapped to the range of temperatures humans exist in rather than the range water exists in so that it's easier to work with
Average university physics class loses dozens of person-hours every year to multiplying by Celsius temperatures (that aren't deltas) without realizing it. Gods-forsaken *Rankine* is more scientific than Celsius is. Celsius is a coward's compromise that *feels* more objective because it's not human-centric while not actually being any easier to work with than Fahrenheit would be if we'd built the SI system with Rankine as the base unit like we should have.
>Celsius is a coward's compromise that feels more objective because it's not human-centric while not actually being any easier to work with than Fahrenheit
~~Absolutely not, its relation to Kelvin is invaluable, as Kelvin is one of the 7 base SI units. Farenheit is to Rankine what Celcius is to Kelvin, but for whatever reason we settled on Kelvin to be the standarized unit, which gives Celcius a closer relationship. I agree that Rankine is more scientific over a degree scale, however Rankine, Celcius, and Farenheit are all formally defined by Kelvin.~~
Fahrenheit isn’t based on the range humans exist in, it’s based on the freezing point of a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride, and the best estimate in 1724 of the average human body temperature. SI units are designed to be able to be emailed to anyone anywhere, and constructed from the ground up based on universal constants. The freezing and boiling points of water at a pressure of one atmosphere are fairly simple to find, assuming one has the right equipment. The best estimate of the average human body temperature in 1724 is a little more tricky, to say the least.
Celcius isn't just Kelvin with an arbitrary constant added, the whole scale works on water, that's how the steps were defined. Kelvin was developed from Celcius because it's a useful scale, and then offset to match true 0 - if anything, Kelvin is an arbitrary offset applied to Celcius.
Mapping 0 to 100 to the scale between a weird water salt mix freezing and a guess at the human body temperature isn't any better or more useful, simply because people work with temperatures outside that range all the time anyway.
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> Kelvin is an arbitrary offset applied to Celcius.
You don't know what "arbitrary" means, do you?
Kelvin and Rankine are scientific and objective. Celsius is not.
On the contrary, you very clearly don't know what objective means, because starting at absolute zero has nothing to do with being objective or more scientific
Using one of the fundamental constants of the universe as a reference point is the literal definition of scientific objectivity you fucking illiterate. That's why your precious SI system defines its units in terms of such constants.
celcius does seem like a hybrid of fahrenheit and kelvin, it's not completely fucking arbitrary but at the same time got some great reference points which make it easier to comprehend. whatever happens at 273 k, you know that water freezes at 0C
I hate to tell you this, but Celsius is also arbitrary, as a matter of fact, the whole metric system is arbitrary, and so is the US Customary system, and the British Imperial system, and the Traditional Japanese system, and every other system, unless you are measuring things directly with universal constants you are introducing some level of arbitrariness
yea, that's what I wrote, celsius is not *completely* arbitrary, there's a level of arbitrariness that allows for ease of use essentially. unlike Kelvin that while being a great tool for measuring the energy level of matter isn't too great when you want to decide whether to take a coat with you or not
The thing is, anything even remotely usable *is* completely arbitrary, including Celsius, 0 and 100 are completely arbitrary numbers, water is a completely arbitrary substance, freezing and boiling are completely arbitrary phenomena standard atmospheric pressure at sea level is a completely arbitrary point to measure where water freezes and boils to begin with
temperature is just a way of communicating from one person to another how hot or cold anything is. as such, using a temperature that almost everyone is familiar with, such as the average freezing point of water, would make complete sense as most people would know what that feels like. whereas in Kelvin, the baseline is absolute zero, a temperature that only scientists are familiar with, and literally no one has experienced. I think you can agree with me that when you want someone to understand something, then you should compare it to something they're familiar with. meaning the the freezing point of water would make the most sense if you want anyone to understand it. this is also why 100 is boiling point of water, because people are familiar with it.
the reason that the freezing point of water is 0 is because that is generally considered a good baseline, because most people view numbers as moving away from 0, if you under stand what I mean. the boiling point of water is 100, because most people can easily visualize how much a single Celsius unit is by viewing it as a percentage of how much it takes for water to be boiling. this makes thinking of what 10 or 15 Celsius units is very easy as you can think of it as "15 steps closer to it being boiling outside," making it more accessible as a temperature system.
and that's what we want. accessible temperature documentation systems. temperature is something that basically anyone should be able to understand, making using a baseline that every is familiar with and a good comparison point to be able to judge how far units are from one and other essential. making the baseline a term that most people learnt about and quickly forgot in their college math class, and making the units god knows what only makes a system worse for communicating information to the general public.
tl;dr: Celsius has a clear baseline and comparison point, whereas Kelvin has a baseline that most people can't remember off the top of their head, and I don't think anyone knows how hot a Kelvin unit is.
A single degree Celsius is the same as a degree kelvin
Anyways, my point was not "Celsius is a bad system" because it isn't, my point is that it isn't some amazing system that does everything it needs to, because that system doesn't but also can't exist
You're over applying the word arbitrary. Arbitrary means "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system"
While we definitely decided on some systems over others, and the reasons to do so are often constructed for our own purposes, they are hardly random or made without any reason. Calling these measurements completely arbitrary is just flat out untrue or a misuse of the word.
0=approximately the coldest you'd expect in most of the world, 100=about as hot as you'd expect it to be in most of the world.
So think of it like, it's 100% hot as fuck out here, so it's 100°.
Beyond that I do actually like Celsius, but it's like, 39-40 is 100% hot, so it's not as catchy to explain to people how to estimate but yeah just mentally stretch 0-40 over 32-100 (technically 40°c = 104°f)
Celsius is way better for like, being better defined and something that you could figure out if you don't know it? And fahrenheit is better for daily temperature because it's like, 0 is the absolute coldest day in the vast majority of the world, and 100-110 is the absolute hottest in the vast majority of the world, so it's like, 0-110% hot outside.
when do u ever need a catchy explanation for temperature? the only reason we have those is because americans try to justify fahrenheit online, if everyone used one system there would never be any need to have a catchy mnemonic for it, we’d all grow up with it.
hahaha did u not read the post ur commenting under? it’s only condescending americans who say shit like this. the minority should switch to what the vast majority of the world’s population is already using, not the other way around, obviously.
Celcius is definitely good, but I prefer farenheight just for it having more specifics. I don’t give a shit how water feels, but to know that’s it’s 86* and not somewhere between 29-30(which this is just because I’m used to it, but the higher numbers feel more accurate due to 100 generally being used as the high point in most numeral things, and I want to know when it’s really hot for me and not water)
Side note, the only reason you'd want to use kelvin in daily life is to create the impression that it's like 400°k outside while telling a story to someone to accurately describe how hot it felt. And even then, who would actually do that. You'd have to do math in your head to convert it from Celsius anyway lol it's literally just Celsius+300 something
I can do most unit conversions between American and Metric units (approximately) in my head, but not temperature. Because there’s an offset, and a multiplicative factor, so even if you’re familiar with one, it’s hard to think of the other in your head, unless you have a lot of experience
Both is fine, considering most countries use metric and imperial systems for different things.
Yeah actually the more I sit here and think about it, for everyday use who gives a fuck? Use what you know the best
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I'm all for C as an American. If I remember correctly, Fahrenheit was established by some dude going around and measuring the hottest and coldest temperatures in Europe or something, with the highest being set to 100, the lowest being set to 0. So, 100 is hot-as-balls and 0 is cold-as-balls. 50 is actually a really pleasant temperature to be outside in, with a light jacket. So it really is like a decent scale for determining how hot or cold you would feel. However, it's completely arbitrary, and people don't have any issues adjusting C measurements to 'how they feel', and it's linked to the states of one of the most common and fundamental molecules for life on earth, so... yeah. Also, I despise imperial measurements, and work in an industry where you'll never see F on a document, so... yeah. F is outdated at the very least, C is far more useful.
That’s an alternative interpretation which is believed to be constructed retroactively. Most credible signs point to his work being based on Rømer, who used a stabile brine temperature in order to define his scale. Fahrenheit modified this in several steps to get 0 being the freezing point for a brine made with water and ammonium chloride, and 96 being the temperature of a human body (anecdotally, he measured this in his wife’s armpit as she had a fever). The scale was redefined in the early 20th century to have two fixed points, separated by 180 degrees, based on something a bit more reasonable. So 32 became the freezing point of water and 212 became the boiling point. Nowadays Fahrenheit is just defined by kelvin instead since nerds run the thermometer industry or something
>nerds run the thermometer industry Is this a surprise?
I prefer Fahrenheit to Celsius. Fahrenheit allows for a finer degree of specificity for everyday use. Most places on earth range between 0-100 Fahrenheit. Sure the basis of Celsius is more scientifically sound, with 0-100 being the range of water in its liquid phase, but honestly how is that useful at all as a reference point for everyday life? Most people in their daily lives aren't interacting with temperature in a scientific way. When you check the days temp a "feel" is exactly what you want to get. Every other imperial measurement - weight, height, volume, distance - all suck ass but Fahrenheit is good
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I dunno about you, but I can definitely feel each degree of difference between a room being at 68 to 73F, so the larger difference between degrees C is a downside. If thermostats regularly did half degrees C it wouldn't be as big a deal
The reason a thermostat wouldn't use half degrees (all thermostats I've seen have had half degree C precision tho) would be because temperature fluctuations wouldn't allow for you to feel any different because of that half degree.
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My thermostat does half degrees in C.
For everyday use it's literally just what you're used to. People from America are gonna understand Fahrenheit better and people from anywhere else are gonna understand Celsius better. Neither is objectively better. For science Celsius is better but if you really care about science Kelvin is more objective than Celsius
>For science Celsius is better No it isn't. It's only useful for converting to Kelvin.
is celsius really even better for science? sure, all of the world's scientists use it making it more practical, but that's not really a feature of the system. if europe decided "oh actually the réamur scale is cool, we're forcefully exporting that to the world now," then people could just as easily say that nobody uses celsius so it isn't practical.
for simplicities sake. it's not too arbitrary so important numbers are easy to remember, it's based on water which is useful, and is very easily convertible to Kelvin if needed. but yea, you've got a point. the fact of the matter isn't that one system is better than the other, it's that the fact that we use two systems at all in the first place is kinda stupid and overly complicates everything.
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No unit of measurement is more ‘objective’ than another. Whatever system you prefer is still just picking two arbitrary points, then saying “exactly x units fit in here.” Kelvin and Rankine being the exception to this rule, still use arbitrary numbers as their basis, and are therefore just as ‘objective’ as Fahrenheit or Celsius.
I worked in a temperature controlled factory for a few years so now can guess temp in C to a degree very consistently. Especially if it's near 3, 10 or 20. That said its not really massively relevant and comes from monitoring temps and moving between controlled environments on the regular. I can usually feel a rise or drop of a degree. That being said. Can just put a decimal place in there if it matters. Any measure has infinite values to use if you desire. Fahrenheit is silly and has a silly name and people need to stop using it.
>settle for something less useful? Literally my only interaction with temperature is what the vibes are like. Water doesn't even freeze or boil at 0-100C where I live (it's close, but the once in a decade where the precise measurement matters I have to just boil water and check no matter what scale I use). Also I can absolutely tell you whether my thermostat is set to a temp 1F or .5C up or down.
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You know that periods exist? Just add one period and you have a higher accuracy. You are just not used to it. Many Americans actually already use Celsius in their life. My American relatives for example had a thermometer that showed both Celsius and Fahrenheit. But just the definition of Fahrenheit makes no sense to me. Why take freezing point of water at 32°F and body temperature at 96°F? Why use two totally different things for a definition? Why not at least 30 for one and 100 for the other point? And today Fahrenheit is based on Celsius.
>Every other imperial measurement - weight, ~~height~~ length, volume, ~~distance~~ length - all suck ass Gonna have to disagree. For the same reason that Fahrenheit is good for daily use, so are gallons, lbs, feet and etc. They are *intuitive* amounts that mesh well with daily use, rather than liters, kilogram (really has to be *prefixed* making it x1000 to be a useful daily measurement), or etc. If I got a liter of milk in the fridge, for example, we're low on milk. The metric measurements are derived from the kilogram and the meter. Now there is a certain beauty to their interconnectedness and scientific specificity and I don't think it's a bad system *for scientific use*, but it's also clearly not defined with daily use in mind.
The only reason you think that imperial units are apparently better for daily use is because you were brought up on imperial units. In other countries everyone who was brought up on metric have just as much intuitive sense of scale when it comes to liters, kilograms (just referred to as kilos), meters and so on.
Like seriously do Americans think the metric system is less intuitive? It’s literally base ten last i checked Americans still count to ten. I was brought up on the metric system could probably be 100x more efficient at measuring and conversions then most imperial system users.
Sorry, complete tangent but how much milk do you ge through that a litre is 'low on milk'?
almost 4 liters in a gallon my dude. I'd call a quarter of a gallon getting low
Wtf that's 8 pints. Who tf gets through that much milk before it expires. I buy 2 pints of long life at a time at most and I'm still usually pushing it before the expiry
Am I being fuckin gaslit or some shit? Look, for one, there's more than just me in my household. For two, if finishing a gallon of milk before the expiration date is this herculean task you seem to think it is, then grocery stores wouldn't have an entire refrigerated section *just* for gallons of milk, cause no one would buy fuckin gallons. My family consistently finishes a gallon by the time it expires. Idk what to tell you.
How many do you have in your family? 'cause even living with my folks we only ever bought 4 pints at a time, and that was with daily cereal, tea, cooking and regular baking. What kind of shop even sells milk by the gallon? Do you go to a wholesaler or something?
Aight, shoulda probably asked sooner, but I assume you're not from the US? I knew we consume more dairy here but yeah, every grocery store here sells milk mostly by the gallon, with half gallons and pints also available. Something to note is that in addition to the uses you listed (altho ofc replace tea with coffee) we also often just drink like, a glass of it on it's own, usually with breakfast if that breakfast is something other than cereal. I should also clarify I definitely wouldn't get through a whole gallon if I was living on my own.
Nah you're right, UK. Vast majority of milk comes in 2or 4 pint bottles, with 6 pints very occasionally available at the very largest supermarkets. Most of the time milk is usually given one half of one side of an ailse, and from what I can recall your ailses are typically about twice as long as ours? Also no disrespect, you enjoy drinking whatever you like but the thought of drinking milk by itself makes me feel a bit rough
Units are only useful as we agree upon the use. Why use Celsius and not Kelvin if you want a more grounded, objective measurement? Is it perhaps because one “feels right” for people usage over the other? Or perhaps water is more familiar to people, but I’d argue you feel temperature slightly more often than you boil or freeze water.
By that logic america should adopt Celsius because every other country agreed to use celsius
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That’s just flat-out wrong. Still used in like most of the Anglosphere.
[The anglosphere?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg)
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He literally actually didn't. He showed why Celsius is better than *Kelvin* for human use, and then immediately showed why Fahrenheit is then better than Celsius for human use. You can live in places that average the whole range of 0-100 in Fahrenheit. You would probably be fucking dead if you lived somewhere that averaged above like 44 Celsius. Now tell me which range of numbers makes more sense for your environment's temperature? Now yeah, for cooking or chemistry Celsius is arguably better, but saying Celsius is universally better just for that is pretty short sighted.
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You deal with temperature specificity when you boil water? Or do you just put the kettle on and wait?
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You said "for the times we do boil [Celsius] sure is useful". I pointed out that Celsius isn't actually important or useful to the everyday process of boiling water.
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products sold in america are standardized to farenheit and frankly it just works so we probably aren’t gonna change it. It’s not that one system is really better than the other in a vacuum, as long as you’re using some kind of standardized system the details of what system you’re using are largely arbitrary. You can measure in rankine and it frankly doesn’t matter as long as you’re internally consistent.
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There's not really an "argument" for the usefulness of Celsius either, beyond scientific application which already uses Celsius as a standard and nobody is trying to change that. To the layman its *literally* just the number we use to understand the temperature. Nobody's like fucking calculating the boiling point of their big gulp you know.
Don't care. We should use base 6 cause funny
Well if you want one; my dad is a limnologist in Ontario in Canada here, who was born in the us. When I asked about this, he told me that celcius is better in every way to Fahrenheit except for one fact, bassically that the distance between units in celcius is larger than the distance between units in Fahrenheit, meaning that you can get more exact and pinpoint than celcius without getting into decimals. If only Fahrenheit didnt have water freezing and boiling at 32 and 4472 or whatever the fuck
it’s more precise
With fahrenheit the temperature is usually between 1-100 for most of the year, which makes sense. 0-100F is -17-37C. 0-100 makes more sense than -20-40 when trying to tell someone how hot something is. Hearing that something is a 70 out of 100 is more intuitive than a 21 out of 40. Celsius is better for science of course but most people aren't scientists
I’m br*tish so use C. C makes more sense you’d think with 0 being freezing and 100 being boiling but when do you ever really think about that? F is way better for people to use. Rest of it is all pish but I will stand up for Fahrenheit
But this is about agreeing on one unit to use for everything. Celsius is maybe a little less "intuitive" for Americans but thats just because they've less experience. Celsius is both quite useful for everyday use and also for scientific use so what does Fahrenheit have that Celsius doesn't? The only thing I've heard that Fahrenheit does better is that most places range from between 0-100 Fahrenheit but it really can't be that hard to adjust to most places on earth being between -20 and 40 degrees Celsius. Also when you do need to boil water, distill spirits, do anything in a chemistry lab, learn anything in physics in school, etc. Celsius is so much more useful.
Oh absolutely for scientific standards, Celsius is superior. But Fahrenheit just feels better for humans, like it's more of a percentage. I just can't get behind an arbitrary number like -20 being the freezing point when it comes to weather. My personal opinion is that there shouldn't be one standard unit for every single use.
There's a ton of Americans here repeating some variety of this argument, but I really need you to understand that this is **only** because its what you are used to. If we raised a child to think that normal weather ranged from -47 to 5938 degree kucglob then that would make perfect sense to them, and they would be making the same argument right now. Also the freezing point in Celsius is 0, while Fahrenheit has a completely arbitrary number, so I don't know what you mean by that
I FUCKING LOVE THE KELVIN SCALE I LOVE HAVING ABSOLUTE 0 ACTUALLY BE ZERO
the kelvin scale is how every other measurment system works
Celsius addicts: um it's more scientific tho Kelvin enjoyers:
the Celsius scale is just the Kelvin scale with a constant added. The "distance" between the units is the same
"I'm just going to add an arbitrary constant so it's easier to work with" okay and I'm going to shift the 0-100 scale so that it's mapped to the range of temperatures humans exist in rather than the range water exists in so that it's easier to work with Average university physics class loses dozens of person-hours every year to multiplying by Celsius temperatures (that aren't deltas) without realizing it. Gods-forsaken *Rankine* is more scientific than Celsius is. Celsius is a coward's compromise that *feels* more objective because it's not human-centric while not actually being any easier to work with than Fahrenheit would be if we'd built the SI system with Rankine as the base unit like we should have.
>Celsius is a coward's compromise that feels more objective because it's not human-centric while not actually being any easier to work with than Fahrenheit ~~Absolutely not, its relation to Kelvin is invaluable, as Kelvin is one of the 7 base SI units. Farenheit is to Rankine what Celcius is to Kelvin, but for whatever reason we settled on Kelvin to be the standarized unit, which gives Celcius a closer relationship. I agree that Rankine is more scientific over a degree scale, however Rankine, Celcius, and Farenheit are all formally defined by Kelvin.~~
Did you just decide to ignore the second half of the sentence you quoted or...?
I just blanked on it like a dumbass. My bad. I shouldn't try arguing with strangers on the internet when I'm this tired.
fair enough
Fahrenheit isn’t based on the range humans exist in, it’s based on the freezing point of a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride, and the best estimate in 1724 of the average human body temperature. SI units are designed to be able to be emailed to anyone anywhere, and constructed from the ground up based on universal constants. The freezing and boiling points of water at a pressure of one atmosphere are fairly simple to find, assuming one has the right equipment. The best estimate of the average human body temperature in 1724 is a little more tricky, to say the least.
Celcius isn't just Kelvin with an arbitrary constant added, the whole scale works on water, that's how the steps were defined. Kelvin was developed from Celcius because it's a useful scale, and then offset to match true 0 - if anything, Kelvin is an arbitrary offset applied to Celcius. Mapping 0 to 100 to the scale between a weird water salt mix freezing and a guess at the human body temperature isn't any better or more useful, simply because people work with temperatures outside that range all the time anyway. tl;dr Imperialcels cope and seethe SI keeps winning
> Kelvin is an arbitrary offset applied to Celcius. You don't know what "arbitrary" means, do you? Kelvin and Rankine are scientific and objective. Celsius is not.
On the contrary, you very clearly don't know what objective means, because starting at absolute zero has nothing to do with being objective or more scientific
Using one of the fundamental constants of the universe as a reference point is the literal definition of scientific objectivity you fucking illiterate. That's why your precious SI system defines its units in terms of such constants.
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celcius does seem like a hybrid of fahrenheit and kelvin, it's not completely fucking arbitrary but at the same time got some great reference points which make it easier to comprehend. whatever happens at 273 k, you know that water freezes at 0C
I hate to tell you this, but Celsius is also arbitrary, as a matter of fact, the whole metric system is arbitrary, and so is the US Customary system, and the British Imperial system, and the Traditional Japanese system, and every other system, unless you are measuring things directly with universal constants you are introducing some level of arbitrariness
yea, that's what I wrote, celsius is not *completely* arbitrary, there's a level of arbitrariness that allows for ease of use essentially. unlike Kelvin that while being a great tool for measuring the energy level of matter isn't too great when you want to decide whether to take a coat with you or not
The thing is, anything even remotely usable *is* completely arbitrary, including Celsius, 0 and 100 are completely arbitrary numbers, water is a completely arbitrary substance, freezing and boiling are completely arbitrary phenomena standard atmospheric pressure at sea level is a completely arbitrary point to measure where water freezes and boils to begin with
temperature is just a way of communicating from one person to another how hot or cold anything is. as such, using a temperature that almost everyone is familiar with, such as the average freezing point of water, would make complete sense as most people would know what that feels like. whereas in Kelvin, the baseline is absolute zero, a temperature that only scientists are familiar with, and literally no one has experienced. I think you can agree with me that when you want someone to understand something, then you should compare it to something they're familiar with. meaning the the freezing point of water would make the most sense if you want anyone to understand it. this is also why 100 is boiling point of water, because people are familiar with it. the reason that the freezing point of water is 0 is because that is generally considered a good baseline, because most people view numbers as moving away from 0, if you under stand what I mean. the boiling point of water is 100, because most people can easily visualize how much a single Celsius unit is by viewing it as a percentage of how much it takes for water to be boiling. this makes thinking of what 10 or 15 Celsius units is very easy as you can think of it as "15 steps closer to it being boiling outside," making it more accessible as a temperature system. and that's what we want. accessible temperature documentation systems. temperature is something that basically anyone should be able to understand, making using a baseline that every is familiar with and a good comparison point to be able to judge how far units are from one and other essential. making the baseline a term that most people learnt about and quickly forgot in their college math class, and making the units god knows what only makes a system worse for communicating information to the general public. tl;dr: Celsius has a clear baseline and comparison point, whereas Kelvin has a baseline that most people can't remember off the top of their head, and I don't think anyone knows how hot a Kelvin unit is.
A single degree Celsius is the same as a degree kelvin Anyways, my point was not "Celsius is a bad system" because it isn't, my point is that it isn't some amazing system that does everything it needs to, because that system doesn't but also can't exist
You're over applying the word arbitrary. Arbitrary means "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system" While we definitely decided on some systems over others, and the reasons to do so are often constructed for our own purposes, they are hardly random or made without any reason. Calling these measurements completely arbitrary is just flat out untrue or a misuse of the word.
Rankin scale of temperature: let me introduce myself...
celsius the best, lets not play.
farenheight is only intuitive if you grew up with it
replace farenheight with parents, not so funny now is it?
replace it with women, not so funny now is women?
replace it with cock and ball torture, for no reason
Not so funny now, is cock and ball torture? ~~I can’t help but read that in Yoda’s voice.~~
I prefer Fahrenlength
You are wrong Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/wncin5/corrected_that_post_from_earlier/ik5zgfw/
source: i made it up
I grew up with farenheit and none of the temperature systems are intuitive to me
0=approximately the coldest you'd expect in most of the world, 100=about as hot as you'd expect it to be in most of the world. So think of it like, it's 100% hot as fuck out here, so it's 100°. Beyond that I do actually like Celsius, but it's like, 39-40 is 100% hot, so it's not as catchy to explain to people how to estimate but yeah just mentally stretch 0-40 over 32-100 (technically 40°c = 104°f) Celsius is way better for like, being better defined and something that you could figure out if you don't know it? And fahrenheit is better for daily temperature because it's like, 0 is the absolute coldest day in the vast majority of the world, and 100-110 is the absolute hottest in the vast majority of the world, so it's like, 0-110% hot outside.
when do u ever need a catchy explanation for temperature? the only reason we have those is because americans try to justify fahrenheit online, if everyone used one system there would never be any need to have a catchy mnemonic for it, we’d all grow up with it.
You don't really. But ppl ask me in the us because I lived overseas for a bit so I can estimate converting it fairly well
Then switch to Fahrenheit.
hahaha did u not read the post ur commenting under? it’s only condescending americans who say shit like this. the minority should switch to what the vast majority of the world’s population is already using, not the other way around, obviously.
>condescending Right back atcha
Shit getting heated in the temperature fandom
>it's like, 39-40 is 100% hot Laughs and then crys in Australian
think of it as a percentage
I'm not doing maths for the fucking temperature
What do you think numbers are?
numbers
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Except you have to go into the negatives with farienheight as well? Unless you live in a warm area.
i live in a relatively cold state and i think it's been years since i've seen it go into the negatives
why not minus sign is an instant indicator that its freezing and perhaps you have to watch out for ice
If you use Rankine you are immediately put to death
Rankine is the objective best mesurment of temperature.
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fahrenheit lookin kelvin wannabe ass mfer
God yeah the idea that Fahrenheit is just 'more intuitive ' really grates me
Since Kelvin is the most logic one but is impractical for many applications I propose to use db Kelvin as a unit
db kelvin, great idea we should have a log scale temperature like decibals where -Infinitiy is 0K and 0 is 0°C
who the fuck is kelvin
me bitch
hi kelvin
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A guy who decided Celsius should start at absolute zero
New temperature scale. Absolute Zero is -1. Hottest possible temperature is 1. It's a logarithmic scale between those values.
> Hottest possible temperature Nobel prize to you when you figure this ou
The temperature of all the remaining energy left in the universe. I'll take my Nobel in foil wrapped chocolate thanks.
That’s at least 120C. Maybe even more.
I can’t imagine wasting so much energy getting butthurt over what temperature scales people from a different country use
It's really not about the scales, i just hate Americans
Why?
Again, I can’t imagine wasting the energy to get butthurt over a country I don’t even live in lol
Big Euro moment
so much energy? this is a 1 minute edit in photoshop
Still the fact they got pissy enough to make it is a bit chuffed tbh
I don't care what Americans use, it's just the weird justifications they make up that it's more "intuitive" than celsius that annoy me.
Once again, I don’t know why you let a country live rent free in your head lol
It's not something I think about regularly, it's just the topic of this post.
Wait there are people that don’t live in America?
kelvin is actually based and better than celsius in science
more like made it based
the one that i grew up using is the best one, everything else is wrong
Kelvin is fine if you’re a physicist.
also known as "cringe nerd that i will shove in a locker"
What's the post from earlier?
"Fahrenheit is how people feel. Celsius is how water feels. Kelvin is how atoms feel"
Thank you
Rankines is how stupid idiot American nerds feel
Americans be like: "English is what a language would sound like if it was designed for humans. It just feels and sounds right."
EXACTLY
baste
Better!
I’m still using Fahrenheit, losers 💪😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you
We should make a new system and force everyone to use it so no one wins and you all can shut up
Celcius is definitely good, but I prefer farenheight just for it having more specifics. I don’t give a shit how water feels, but to know that’s it’s 86* and not somewhere between 29-30(which this is just because I’m used to it, but the higher numbers feel more accurate due to 100 generally being used as the high point in most numeral things, and I want to know when it’s really hot for me and not water)
Who is Kevin?
No rule, 0/10
Side note, the only reason you'd want to use kelvin in daily life is to create the impression that it's like 400°k outside while telling a story to someone to accurately describe how hot it felt. And even then, who would actually do that. You'd have to do math in your head to convert it from Celsius anyway lol it's literally just Celsius+300 something
Yes I use Fahrenheit, and everytime someone complains I use it 32+x*5/9 times more.
I can do most unit conversions between American and Metric units (approximately) in my head, but not temperature. Because there’s an offset, and a multiplicative factor, so even if you’re familiar with one, it’s hard to think of the other in your head, unless you have a lot of experience
go outside
Bro Burmese and Liberians?
I mean we use Kelvin for measuring light temp in filming. Not saying I'm not a nerd because I definitely am.
"But the rest of the world uses Celsius!" That's because the rest of the world is wrong
If celsius is so good then why does saying Celsiuscel feel so right
Both is fine, considering most countries use metric and imperial systems for different things. Yeah actually the more I sit here and think about it, for everyday use who gives a fuck? Use what you know the best
Most being USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand and other former british territories. Not most countries.
Pardon my blunder, most countries who's people argue about it use both
fuck no australia does not use imperial systems