Stratocracy (a government meritocracy via military performance. Inherently anti-universal sufferage/ pro limited franchise. Stupid basic definition.)
There can be overlap but true they are not the same. Neither system has defining qualities that are inherent in the other.
Thereโs a difference. In fascist systems the military enforces state law it does not control the state itself (ie legislate and preform judicial functions). For example the SS was not military it was paramilitary it was the armed wing of the Nazi party a civilian entity. The Wehrmacht did not control the state neither did the Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine. ( Stratocracy would be the other way around. The Wehrmacht would have had control over the Nazi party if it even allowed it to exist.)
Edit in (..)
Its mostly known because the first game made it way more overt that it was fascist. The second game has notes and dialog that hints at it. The game has an intentional "screen" of keeping even the player from seeing how awful everything actually is. You're seeing your own combat sure, but everything you don't directly see is outright propaganda.
They just call it democracy, but they have thought crime and reeducation centers. Questioning the state can result in severe penalties. On top of all that, they talk about democracy all the time but the Helldivers never seem to get to vote on any policy even tho service guarantees citizenship.
On top of all this, there is strong evidence that the big outbreak this time around was a manufactured event by the super earth government to gin up support, recruitment numbers, and funds for the Helldivers. Also, they use the bugs for oil so super earth may be increasing their population to the planetary level for profit. The robot faction talks about simply wanting self autonomy in their rebel broadcasts and this jives with what happened with the cyborgs (who are very likely the progenitors of the bots) in the first game. The cyborgs just wanted to chill and upgrade themselves with tech and super earth said โnoโ and issued a jihad against them. The cyborgs are now a race of enslaved miners. The third faction in the first game, the illuminate, came in peace and super earth attacked them because aliens = threat to โdemocracyโ.
Basically, what Iโm saying, is look beyond the propaganda. I could be reported to my local democracy officer and youโd never see me again if a loyal citizen saw this post.
It isnโt democratic, itโs the entire joke. The entire game is just false flags against Super Earth by Super Earth. Robots are made by Super Earth and Bugs and moved around by Super Earth, thatโs entirely it.
I actually think the bots come from the cyborgs due to how much they have in common and the fact their rebel broadcasts talk about wanting to just be left alone with their own autonomy.
You are right about the bugs tho. They were released intentionally for profit.
Personally not sure about it being THE definition of fascism, but itโs pretty close. On the ship in the main lobby, you can watch commercials/propaganda pieces. One is about โupgrading your citizenshipโ to be more equal.
And in the lore you need to sign forms and have the governments permission to have a kid. What China used to do with the one kid only law, but itโs been bumped to two now. Also question anything in super earth thatโs an executable offence, cause either youโre with them or dead. Much like the Imperium of man in 40K
I think people are silly for needing these things to have some complex message. If you play a game where the enemies are giant ugly bugs and the good guys are humans, and you donโt just root for the humans, thereโs something wrong with you.
The game is shit to humans, most of them live in quasi slavery and the rest are fodder to be slaughtered for profit.
AND THATS JUST THE WAY WE LIKE IT! MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH!
Yes, picture a mix of the setting of Starship Troopers (The movie) with its campy propaganda, where you play an ODST from HALO, playing in a squad in hellish situations, facing overwhelming numbers and having access to absolutely ludicrous amounts of air support, calling cluster bombs, 500kg bombs and Orbital bombardment on your position and manifesting destiny on alien worlds for fun and profit.
It's a hell of a lot of fun.
Almost forgot that there was an official message from the Ministry of Truth about [the topic. ](https://youtu.be/S9STizATKjE?si=F5R7K94GYDny42Yo)
It's a bit more visceral? The action is smaller, its just you and a small squad, you never get as overpowered yourself, it never goes in too deep into Sci fi and stays strictly in the military porn category. I think it's better at making you feel a sense of dread and like everything could go to shit at any moment a lot of the time you will feel like you are beyond fucked or that you barely made it by the skin of your bones.
[One day I was born at the age of four](https://youtube.com/watch?v=pjGZnRwtvww&pp=ygUWYmFkIHRvIHRoZSBib25lIGNvbmtlcg%3D%3D)
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https://www.keene.edu/academics/cchgs/resources/presentation-materials/characteristics-and-appeal-of-fascism/download/
Many of these hallmarks of fascism exist in the game. Itโs pretty obvious. Extreme militaristic nationalism, the use and promotion of โmanaged democracy,โ which is really just disguised autocracy, the disregard for human rights (anyone over the age of 7 must work in the factories or join the military), a victim complex to justify the war against the terminids and automatons despite being the aggressors (Helldivers 1 shows this more than 2), absolute control of mass media (the intro cutscene even says a deviation in your attention to the propaganda video will be reported to ministry of truth), corporate power is protected (child labor and the war against the terminids is really because they can be ground up into oil).
Just a few examples. Itโs pretty clear this game is a parody of a fascist government a la Starship Troopers. The amount of people who donโt get this is scary
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The glory of the game is it's both. You root for the humans and have a blast doing it because it's fun and badass. But if you dig just under the surface you realize you're the bad guys.
I donโt think the point is to like the bugs, but rather to see the government of super earth released the bugs on populated planets intentionally for profit. If you look in the lore or even just the load screen tool tips there are some pretty clear signs that super earth is a democracy the same way Nazis were socialist. As in, not.
I actually see his point. Itโs a dumb point, but I see where he came to it. The Helldivers of Super Earth are bad because theyโre amilitary attacking poor little primitives (even if those โprimitivesโ are basically animalistic monsters).
Basically, he sees the game as America invading the Middle East to kill Muslims.
We arenโt supposed to sympathize with the bugs. We are supposed to recognize that super earth intentionally released the bugs on populated planets for profit at the expense of an untold number of human lives.
I think the bots and cyborgs are the ones we are supposed to feel more sympathy for.
The reason I see humans as bad is because they are bad to you... The Helldivers are being exploited and slaughtered for profit. Lied to and manipulated with patriotism and coercion. The bugs are a human creation being harvested for the oil they produce and the automatons are former humans who had to augment themselves to fight the oppressive human government. So it's easy to root for the idealistic helldivers while acknowledging the government of super earth is evil.
Hmmm. Thatโs an oof. Thatโs a big oof
But admittedly it does make me a little more interested in the game. I dunno what that says about me. Maybe I just like controversy.
Itโs a reach. The game is satire using a Super America as the protagonists. You really are just Super Americans fighting Super Bugs and Super Robots.
WH40k is another universe that makes everything exaggerated and insane too.
The problem (and itโs only a problem for him and others like him) is that theyโre from Progressive ideology, which not only means anything satire or joke-y goes right over their heads because nothing can be immaterial, irrational, illogical, etc (basically, nothing can be โfalseโ, aka Fascist), but they stand to fight anything and anyone who promotes Fascism, which HD2 looks like it does.
Actual Fascism, the actual philosophy behind Fascism, is very, very different and the closest mainstream definition that actually applies to Fascism (classical fascism in this case; neofascists and post fascists are different from OG fascism) is the one used by Encyclopedia Britannica. Every other definition that isnโt directly from the Fascists themselves is not only completely wrong but exclusively viewed through a biased Socialist lenses, so you know itโs mega biased and misleading on purpose.
HD2 is just a fun satirical game about super soldiers fighting enemies of humanity. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's actually not fascist whatsoever. People get the idea that it's fascist because of its heavy propaganda, devotion to war, and heavy inspiration from "Starship Troopers," which is a whole different can of worms. According to the lore, it's a Managed Democracy hence why there is so much FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. But yeah, it's a funny meme, and I LOVE this game.
Ngl who else is better than us to rule the world? We got the Anglobros, the EUBros, LatinBros, AsianBros and AfricanBros. No offense to the rest of the world but you guys are the lil homies let us fight the Rangdan for the Glory of Mankind
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I have a theory.
A theory that I made the fuck up but a theory nonetheless.
My theory that my genius brain created says that aliens havenโt showed up or bothered us because theyโre afraid of us. While they make advancement in space travel, we fester in our squalling warring with each other.
War is so important is that we profit off of it.
War is so important to us that we make literal simulations of it to enjoy in our free time.
I mean, think about it. I too would be scared if I were aliens and witnesses the average human disagreement.
Imagine that an alien force finally tries to invade us, and then the entire force just gets blown out of the sky by Patriot missiles the moment they enter the atmosphere lol.
People under 30 that are really excited to use the word "fascism" right now, listen, I get it.
We called our gym teachers fascists so much in middle school that it broke them, it made them so mad that the "nice" gym teacher assaulted the biggest "jerk ass kid" by pinning him against the wall by the throat. You do kinda create the universe that you speak into existence
Anyway, feel free to look up how fascism is the unification of Industry at the command of Autocratic Governance... So, unless you want to pull in our healthcare system and Big Tech to the Fascism discussion, *why don't you pipe down about the obvious global war that YOU are going to be conscripted into? Get on that chin up bar and get ready*
MANIFEST DESTINY TO ALPHA CENTAURI
FROM ARM TO SHINING ARM
FROM NOW TO ETERNITY AD ASTRA
THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY IS A MONARCHY! LETS SHOW THEM WHAT FREEDOM TASTES LIKE!
RAHHHH ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
Holy based game Batman!
USA USA USA
How is it fascist? Democracy is literally the entire selling point smh my head
Like 33% facism, the correct word would be startocracy
Stratocracy (a government meritocracy via military performance. Inherently anti-universal sufferage/ pro limited franchise. Stupid basic definition.) There can be overlap but true they are not the same. Neither system has defining qualities that are inherent in the other.
There are 3 main tenants of facism. One of the biggest ones being military control over the government. So there is overlap
Thereโs a difference. In fascist systems the military enforces state law it does not control the state itself (ie legislate and preform judicial functions). For example the SS was not military it was paramilitary it was the armed wing of the Nazi party a civilian entity. The Wehrmacht did not control the state neither did the Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine. ( Stratocracy would be the other way around. The Wehrmacht would have had control over the Nazi party if it even allowed it to exist.) Edit in (..)
I understand there is a difference but there is also overlap, like everything else in the world it is a shade of gray
Yes there can be as I said. There is no defining quality overlap inherent to both systems though.
Its mostly known because the first game made it way more overt that it was fascist. The second game has notes and dialog that hints at it. The game has an intentional "screen" of keeping even the player from seeing how awful everything actually is. You're seeing your own combat sure, but everything you don't directly see is outright propaganda.
It is still very apparent but I like that they actually have you listen to dialogue
They just call it democracy, but they have thought crime and reeducation centers. Questioning the state can result in severe penalties. On top of all that, they talk about democracy all the time but the Helldivers never seem to get to vote on any policy even tho service guarantees citizenship. On top of all this, there is strong evidence that the big outbreak this time around was a manufactured event by the super earth government to gin up support, recruitment numbers, and funds for the Helldivers. Also, they use the bugs for oil so super earth may be increasing their population to the planetary level for profit. The robot faction talks about simply wanting self autonomy in their rebel broadcasts and this jives with what happened with the cyborgs (who are very likely the progenitors of the bots) in the first game. The cyborgs just wanted to chill and upgrade themselves with tech and super earth said โnoโ and issued a jihad against them. The cyborgs are now a race of enslaved miners. The third faction in the first game, the illuminate, came in peace and super earth attacked them because aliens = threat to โdemocracyโ. Basically, what Iโm saying, is look beyond the propaganda. I could be reported to my local democracy officer and youโd never see me again if a loyal citizen saw this post.
Yes officer, this post right here.
Mass report this guy to your local democracy officer
It isnโt democratic, itโs the entire joke. The entire game is just false flags against Super Earth by Super Earth. Robots are made by Super Earth and Bugs and moved around by Super Earth, thatโs entirely it.
I actually think the bots come from the cyborgs due to how much they have in common and the fact their rebel broadcasts talk about wanting to just be left alone with their own autonomy. You are right about the bugs tho. They were released intentionally for profit.
Sounds like someone needs to go back to the democracy reeducation center
There is no false flag, but the bugs were harvested for oil. Also HERESY \*BLAM\*.
That's *Managed Democracy citizen. We must be vigilant of the tyranny of idleness. Citizens have the privilege and freedom to serve Super Earth.
This game is basically just Starship Troopers
Fascism has a literally 0% success rating in wars. We win Wars because we promote DEMOCRACY!
Personally not sure about it being THE definition of fascism, but itโs pretty close. On the ship in the main lobby, you can watch commercials/propaganda pieces. One is about โupgrading your citizenshipโ to be more equal. And in the lore you need to sign forms and have the governments permission to have a kid. What China used to do with the one kid only law, but itโs been bumped to two now. Also question anything in super earth thatโs an executable offence, cause either youโre with them or dead. Much like the Imperium of man in 40K
Based and correct game
THE UNITED STATES OF THE GALEXY
USG! USG! USG!
 USA! USA! USA! FREEDOM RAAAHHHH!!!!!!! ๐บ๐ธ๐ข๏ธ๐ฐ๐ช๐ค ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐ข๏ธ๐ช๐ฐ๐ข๏ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ
I think people are silly for needing these things to have some complex message. If you play a game where the enemies are giant ugly bugs and the good guys are humans, and you donโt just root for the humans, thereโs something wrong with you.
The game is shit to humans, most of them live in quasi slavery and the rest are fodder to be slaughtered for profit. AND THATS JUST THE WAY WE LIKE IT! MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH!
YOUR HEART AND SOUL FOR THE CORPS!!!
MOBIUS 1 LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<< You're not going to believe this Jean-Louis. All of them have Ribbon insignias! >>
Okay but is the game any fun? Iโm not looking to waste my time with something boring.
Yes, picture a mix of the setting of Starship Troopers (The movie) with its campy propaganda, where you play an ODST from HALO, playing in a squad in hellish situations, facing overwhelming numbers and having access to absolutely ludicrous amounts of air support, calling cluster bombs, 500kg bombs and Orbital bombardment on your position and manifesting destiny on alien worlds for fun and profit. It's a hell of a lot of fun. Almost forgot that there was an official message from the Ministry of Truth about [the topic. ](https://youtu.be/S9STizATKjE?si=F5R7K94GYDny42Yo)
So itโs a shooter?
It's hands down the best co op shooter ever made even at launch. It is very difficult to oversell this game.
Iโm for sure gonna look into you guys have definitely sold me on it.
oh and also you wear a cape
That part is very important
Like, so important that the entire objective of the tutorial is to receive the cape
How does it compare to EDF? It looks pretty similar in concept.
It's a bit more visceral? The action is smaller, its just you and a small squad, you never get as overpowered yourself, it never goes in too deep into Sci fi and stays strictly in the military porn category. I think it's better at making you feel a sense of dread and like everything could go to shit at any moment a lot of the time you will feel like you are beyond fucked or that you barely made it by the skin of your bones.
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Itโs so fun. Literally got a ps5 just to play it. If you do get it send me a dm and Iโll join up with you
The message isnโt complex. You kill bugs and terminators for a fascist government. Itโs a pretty straightforward message
How are they fascist?
https://www.keene.edu/academics/cchgs/resources/presentation-materials/characteristics-and-appeal-of-fascism/download/ Many of these hallmarks of fascism exist in the game. Itโs pretty obvious. Extreme militaristic nationalism, the use and promotion of โmanaged democracy,โ which is really just disguised autocracy, the disregard for human rights (anyone over the age of 7 must work in the factories or join the military), a victim complex to justify the war against the terminids and automatons despite being the aggressors (Helldivers 1 shows this more than 2), absolute control of mass media (the intro cutscene even says a deviation in your attention to the propaganda video will be reported to ministry of truth), corporate power is protected (child labor and the war against the terminids is really because they can be ground up into oil). Just a few examples. Itโs pretty clear this game is a parody of a fascist government a la Starship Troopers. The amount of people who donโt get this is scary
Can a lot of these signs be attributed to any authoritarian government, not only fascist?
Many authoritarian governments are fascist in nature ETA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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Terminators? Like robots from the future?
Theyโre basically terminators. Not literally terminators but theyโre heavily inspired by them
Neat.
Itโs a really fun game for sure
The glory of the game is it's both. You root for the humans and have a blast doing it because it's fun and badass. But if you dig just under the surface you realize you're the bad guys.
Idk I havenโt played this game but theyโre gonna have to put in some serious work if theyโre gonna get me to like the bugs more than the humans.
"We rely on every man, woman and child over 7 years to man the factories, so get to work Super Earth!"
Imagine an oil war except you're farming and violently harvesting sapient beings for the oil, but they are icky bugs so it's cool
I donโt think the point is to like the bugs, but rather to see the government of super earth released the bugs on populated planets intentionally for profit. If you look in the lore or even just the load screen tool tips there are some pretty clear signs that super earth is a democracy the same way Nazis were socialist. As in, not.
Releasing bugs on people is a good way to get me to side against you tbh
I actually see his point. Itโs a dumb point, but I see where he came to it. The Helldivers of Super Earth are bad because theyโre amilitary attacking poor little primitives (even if those โprimitivesโ are basically animalistic monsters). Basically, he sees the game as America invading the Middle East to kill Muslims.
We arenโt supposed to sympathize with the bugs. We are supposed to recognize that super earth intentionally released the bugs on populated planets for profit at the expense of an untold number of human lives. I think the bots and cyborgs are the ones we are supposed to feel more sympathy for.
The reason I see humans as bad is because they are bad to you... The Helldivers are being exploited and slaughtered for profit. Lied to and manipulated with patriotism and coercion. The bugs are a human creation being harvested for the oil they produce and the automatons are former humans who had to augment themselves to fight the oppressive human government. So it's easy to root for the idealistic helldivers while acknowledging the government of super earth is evil.
Hmmm. Thatโs an oof. Thatโs a big oof But admittedly it does make me a little more interested in the game. I dunno what that says about me. Maybe I just like controversy.
Itโs a reach. The game is satire using a Super America as the protagonists. You really are just Super Americans fighting Super Bugs and Super Robots. WH40k is another universe that makes everything exaggerated and insane too. The problem (and itโs only a problem for him and others like him) is that theyโre from Progressive ideology, which not only means anything satire or joke-y goes right over their heads because nothing can be immaterial, irrational, illogical, etc (basically, nothing can be โfalseโ, aka Fascist), but they stand to fight anything and anyone who promotes Fascism, which HD2 looks like it does. Actual Fascism, the actual philosophy behind Fascism, is very, very different and the closest mainstream definition that actually applies to Fascism (classical fascism in this case; neofascists and post fascists are different from OG fascism) is the one used by Encyclopedia Britannica. Every other definition that isnโt directly from the Fascists themselves is not only completely wrong but exclusively viewed through a biased Socialist lenses, so you know itโs mega biased and misleading on purpose. HD2 is just a fun satirical game about super soldiers fighting enemies of humanity. Nothing more, nothing less.
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No it's because Super Earth society actually sucks. Super Earth wishes it was America(missing obvious irony) .
Every star is a cry for help.
MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
https://preview.redd.it/or5qeitwxxlc1.jpeg?width=1300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff4250c60ba865bd9e3c1372d0902262561df731 RAHHHHHHHHH
Im doing my part! o7
It's actually not fascist whatsoever. People get the idea that it's fascist because of its heavy propaganda, devotion to war, and heavy inspiration from "Starship Troopers," which is a whole different can of worms. According to the lore, it's a Managed Democracy hence why there is so much FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. But yeah, it's a funny meme, and I LOVE this game.
Nice try fed, still ain't paying taxes. /s
Ngl who else is better than us to rule the world? We got the Anglobros, the EUBros, LatinBros, AsianBros and AfricanBros. No offense to the rest of the world but you guys are the lil homies let us fight the Rangdan for the Glory of Mankind
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I have a theory. A theory that I made the fuck up but a theory nonetheless. My theory that my genius brain created says that aliens havenโt showed up or bothered us because theyโre afraid of us. While they make advancement in space travel, we fester in our squalling warring with each other. War is so important is that we profit off of it. War is so important to us that we make literal simulations of it to enjoy in our free time. I mean, think about it. I too would be scared if I were aliens and witnesses the average human disagreement. Imagine that an alien force finally tries to invade us, and then the entire force just gets blown out of the sky by Patriot missiles the moment they enter the atmosphere lol.
Managed democracy: the freedom to make the -right- choice. The ultimate freedom- the freedom from choice!
People under 30 that are really excited to use the word "fascism" right now, listen, I get it. We called our gym teachers fascists so much in middle school that it broke them, it made them so mad that the "nice" gym teacher assaulted the biggest "jerk ass kid" by pinning him against the wall by the throat. You do kinda create the universe that you speak into existence Anyway, feel free to look up how fascism is the unification of Industry at the command of Autocratic Governance... So, unless you want to pull in our healthcare system and Big Tech to the Fascism discussion, *why don't you pipe down about the obvious global war that YOU are going to be conscripted into? Get on that chin up bar and get ready*
Manifest Destiny will never be complete until all the stars in the heavens lie on the flag.
RAH ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
This is why NASA should get back 4% of the federal budget
People will honestly try to empathize with fictional bugs and robots in a tongue in cheek Starship Troopers homage