Those first few minutes the car is warming up the oil, coolant and to some extent the block because it can shrink from the few degree difference in crucial places.
I get not taking it to the limit while the oil is getting up to temp, but I don't think idling until warm before you start driving is necessary with modern engines. And oil takes longer to warm up than coolant, so using the coolant temp to dictate when you set off seems... A bit pointless? Get an oil temp gauge if you want your engine up to temp before going.
It's always seemed like an old-boy thing to do, when engines did need it, and it's kinda stuck around as a myth.
But I could be wrong. Just from what I've read it's unnecessary to wait at all.
You are correct, modern direct injection engines only need a few seconds after startup to get fluids moving and start warming up. As long as you aren't accelerating hard you will do no extra damage or wear to the engine. People still belive this from older carbonated engines.
The one caveat to this is running high ethanol content fuel. Ethanol will sit and pool on top the the engine oil and allowing a few minutes for it to burn off after startup is generally a good idea. Some higher end engine oils like Motul are more efficient with this process though.
Yeah the temp gauge is mostly for coolant but remember it’s also used to adj fuel and ing timing. I’m not saying I let it get to the “middle” I start driving once the temp gauge shows it moved a fraction from the cold. It’s just a habit I have since I never know how ima be driving, flooring it or cruising.
Good quality ones don't sheer and snap/shatter like these do these will basically explode and impale you whereas good quality ones are just gonna push in your sternum and ribcage....
I mean, you’ll still be crushed and killed when a whole steering wheel folds into your ribcage/face right? Seems like whether it impales you or not you’ll still be pretty fucked, no?
Idkkkkk seems easier to survive a wheel crushing your entire cage than getting impaled y'know. I refuse to run quick releases unless it's got a full seat/harness/bar setup because it introduces more factors that'll main or otherwise potentially kill you without. I mean shit fixed seats with an airbag will literally crush you and probably snap your neck/spine etc
this wheel literally physically breaks, so instead of hitting a leather wheel it just continues forward onto sharp metal, and your head KEEPS going forward into even worse whiplash than usual.
so no, not the same.
I have my turbo set to throttle the boost until the temps are up. That way if I forget to warm it up it doesn’t blow up. But usually I just start driving and let it warm up before I step on it hard.
VQs are like the fastest engines to warm up. Even in 30 degree temperatures. Mine takes 3 minutes at max to get the needle moving. I typically wait like 30 seconds then just be easy on the throttle until oil pressure simmers down.
Sitting there letting the car idle is extremely stressful on the valvetrain.
I'm not saying you'll snap a camshaft but there's zero point idling for no reason.
Just drive off, and let the oil get to temp before beating on it.
"Extremely stressful on the valvetrain" bro i've never seen a car drop a valve, break a camshaft, burn a valve due to someone letting it idle for 2-3 minutes while cold.
Not saying it is good for the engine or the best way to warm up the car, but kind of exagerated too lol
I let every engine in any car I drive warm up. That's how you don't break stuff.
Wait until the temp needle moves to above the minimum marker.
If you're in a hurry or whatever, give it at least 20-30 seconds... but I usually give mine 1-2 minutes depending what the temperature is outside.
I let it warm up for 10 mins or so, usually will start it in the morning , run back in and get dressed, then she warms by the time I’m ready to pull off for work.
That's when the cats get up to temperature, right about then my water temp starts to move a little, that's when I say it's good. Lol pressure usually sits pretty close to at temp at that point.
I wait for 30s to 1min before moving off, and try to keep it under 3k for the first 8-10 mins.
There was a thread on one of the forums where someone posted a sensor readout, it took 8 mins of normal driving for the engine to be fully up to temp
This might be me overthinking, and it might be totally unnecessary, but we've got the luxury of an oil pressure gauge so here's how I use that to estimate oil temperature.
After driving for a while, with the engine nice and warm, check the oil pressure with the engine idling, the AC off, and no load on the power steering system. Usually it's somewhere between 25-30psi.
When you first start the car cold and wait for the revs to drop, you'll still notice the oil pressure stays above 35-40psi. Oil gets thinner as it warms up, so I keep an eye on the psi. I just keep the revs down until the pressure at idle shows me that the oil is in the 25-30psi range, then it's straight to redline lol.
I also want to add, there's no reason to sit and wait for it to get up to temp before driving. You can drive the car immediately, just don't abuse it until it's up to temp
Usually 1 min I sit, but it can be as short as 30 seconds minimum as per the manual.
Steady driving for first 6-7 mi or 10-15 min, shifting around 3-3.5k max.
After this, I let all hell break loose.
I had my g35 11 years ago. I used to redline it after a minute of warm up, for 3 years as a daily. sold that car to my cousin 8 years ago, he also treats it even worse than I did and car still running fine 😭 vq handles abuse so gracefully
i don’t even care enough for it to warm up. i take hella long to choose a song on spotify anyways lmao just drive like a grandma for a few mins and you’re good
Yes .. it’s an old show car … nopi/sema… many don’t know that back in 04/5/6ish stillen offered to cover the factory warranty if you used their supercharger… that why we didn’t turbocharged it back then and void a new car warranty….
Make sure to let them warm up, most models are 20 or nearing, years old. Me driving an 04 I make sure my cylinders have fired at least 10 whole times before aggressively accelerating to 7k rpms to keep it safe.
Till the rpm’s drop under 1k and I see the temp gauge move up a bit.
Isn't the temp gauge for your coolant, though? And aren't the increased revs just for emissions purposes to get the cat warm?
Those first few minutes the car is warming up the oil, coolant and to some extent the block because it can shrink from the few degree difference in crucial places.
I get not taking it to the limit while the oil is getting up to temp, but I don't think idling until warm before you start driving is necessary with modern engines. And oil takes longer to warm up than coolant, so using the coolant temp to dictate when you set off seems... A bit pointless? Get an oil temp gauge if you want your engine up to temp before going. It's always seemed like an old-boy thing to do, when engines did need it, and it's kinda stuck around as a myth. But I could be wrong. Just from what I've read it's unnecessary to wait at all.
You are correct, modern direct injection engines only need a few seconds after startup to get fluids moving and start warming up. As long as you aren't accelerating hard you will do no extra damage or wear to the engine. People still belive this from older carbonated engines.
The one caveat to this is running high ethanol content fuel. Ethanol will sit and pool on top the the engine oil and allowing a few minutes for it to burn off after startup is generally a good idea. Some higher end engine oils like Motul are more efficient with this process though.
Yeah the temp gauge is mostly for coolant but remember it’s also used to adj fuel and ing timing. I’m not saying I let it get to the “middle” I start driving once the temp gauge shows it moved a fraction from the cold. It’s just a habit I have since I never know how ima be driving, flooring it or cruising.
Start car then instantly redline
It can handle it Source: trust me bro
About 20 seconds before I start driving. No redline until temp needle moves up. 2004, 6spd, stock
2003 6spd gotta make sure she last 😂
I give it a minute or two then take off. Just don’t go over 3k until it’s to operating temps
Anywhere from 2 mins to 5ish. Like someone else said, start it, gp in and put my shoes and stuff on or do Duolingo lesson, and then it's not ice cold
We lead similar lives 👌
Great minds think alike ;)
Literally did this about a half hour ago before going to work 😂
Start car, put phone in holder put on seatbelt, start music, and go.
Per EngineeringExplained, he says it's not necessary in fuel injected cars. Wait 30 sec to a minute and you're off.
you should replace that NRG wheel, those things are fuckin death traps.
Those wheels specifically?
any NRG wheel because they break, and your body continues straight into the fuckin steering column. cheap shit.
Aren’t you pretty fucked using *any* wheel without airbags?
Good quality ones don't sheer and snap/shatter like these do these will basically explode and impale you whereas good quality ones are just gonna push in your sternum and ribcage....
I mean, you’ll still be crushed and killed when a whole steering wheel folds into your ribcage/face right? Seems like whether it impales you or not you’ll still be pretty fucked, no?
Idkkkkk seems easier to survive a wheel crushing your entire cage than getting impaled y'know. I refuse to run quick releases unless it's got a full seat/harness/bar setup because it introduces more factors that'll main or otherwise potentially kill you without. I mean shit fixed seats with an airbag will literally crush you and probably snap your neck/spine etc
this wheel literally physically breaks, so instead of hitting a leather wheel it just continues forward onto sharp metal, and your head KEEPS going forward into even worse whiplash than usual. so no, not the same.
Carbon fiber here I come
Would that be better? Or would it break weird?
There a custom carbon fiber made from the stock wheel that’s a lil fancy but at least the air bag is back it has a led display and is ofc pricey
I have my turbo set to throttle the boost until the temps are up. That way if I forget to warm it up it doesn’t blow up. But usually I just start driving and let it warm up before I step on it hard.
VQs are like the fastest engines to warm up. Even in 30 degree temperatures. Mine takes 3 minutes at max to get the needle moving. I typically wait like 30 seconds then just be easy on the throttle until oil pressure simmers down.
I turn my key and go. gets warm on the road and not hitting high revs until it does
Drive normal for 10min before i go past 4k
Sitting there letting the car idle is extremely stressful on the valvetrain. I'm not saying you'll snap a camshaft but there's zero point idling for no reason. Just drive off, and let the oil get to temp before beating on it.
Also dilutes the oil faster since the engine is running significantly more rich on a cold start before the A/F ratio starts getting tweaked.
"Extremely stressful on the valvetrain" bro i've never seen a car drop a valve, break a camshaft, burn a valve due to someone letting it idle for 2-3 minutes while cold. Not saying it is good for the engine or the best way to warm up the car, but kind of exagerated too lol
Just read what I typed again, I think you took it further than what I said.
I let every engine in any car I drive warm up. That's how you don't break stuff. Wait until the temp needle moves to above the minimum marker. If you're in a hurry or whatever, give it at least 20-30 seconds... but I usually give mine 1-2 minutes depending what the temperature is outside.
I let it warm up for 10 mins or so, usually will start it in the morning , run back in and get dressed, then she warms by the time I’m ready to pull off for work.
My neighbors would call the cops with a noise complaint if I idled for 10 min in my driveway
The cold starts are great way to wake up 😂🎺
Test pipes? Probably smells too
Correct on both counts.
I do the same thing 😂
This is the way
I do I usually Wait for the rpms to level out between 600-1000 rpms
That's when the cats get up to temperature, right about then my water temp starts to move a little, that's when I say it's good. Lol pressure usually sits pretty close to at temp at that point.
I wait for 30s to 1min before moving off, and try to keep it under 3k for the first 8-10 mins. There was a thread on one of the forums where someone posted a sensor readout, it took 8 mins of normal driving for the engine to be fully up to temp
This might be me overthinking, and it might be totally unnecessary, but we've got the luxury of an oil pressure gauge so here's how I use that to estimate oil temperature. After driving for a while, with the engine nice and warm, check the oil pressure with the engine idling, the AC off, and no load on the power steering system. Usually it's somewhere between 25-30psi. When you first start the car cold and wait for the revs to drop, you'll still notice the oil pressure stays above 35-40psi. Oil gets thinner as it warms up, so I keep an eye on the psi. I just keep the revs down until the pressure at idle shows me that the oil is in the 25-30psi range, then it's straight to redline lol.
I also want to add, there's no reason to sit and wait for it to get up to temp before driving. You can drive the car immediately, just don't abuse it until it's up to temp
I wait till operating temps if I’m not in a rush
Usually 1 min I sit, but it can be as short as 30 seconds minimum as per the manual. Steady driving for first 6-7 mi or 10-15 min, shifting around 3-3.5k max. After this, I let all hell break loose.
10 hours
Always.. at least 2min.. 110k.. Moble1 full syth..
I always wait till rpm is below 1k and temp gauge is at least up. Just so I know the gears are good to go through
I'll usually start driving at 100-120⁰ ECT and won't drive hard until it's been at Operating temp for at least 10 mins.
Atleast 4 minutes and 20 seconds then just granny it around another 5-10 depending on oil temp.
Just until the needle is live
Yes because 20w-50 weight needs to reach temperature in order for it to lubricate properly
If cold I wait a 1 min to 2 mins let the fluids catch up. If warm day or hot 30 secs to 1 min
I sit for 30 minutes then slide out the parking lot... I have a problem 😂😭
I watch my oil pressure and once it drops to 30 idle I can open her up
I had my g35 11 years ago. I used to redline it after a minute of warm up, for 3 years as a daily. sold that car to my cousin 8 years ago, he also treats it even worse than I did and car still running fine 😭 vq handles abuse so gracefully
Fingers crossed
I warm it for 10 mins minimum. 15-20 standard. I wait for RPM to go to 650-800 and oil pressure to get close to 14. Maybe that’s too much
i don’t even care enough for it to warm up. i take hella long to choose a song on spotify anyways lmao just drive like a grandma for a few mins and you’re good
I wait on temp gauge to move … but I also have a low mileage 04 that supercharged..
Rev up or no?
No .. think 05 is the rev ups
I’d love to see your supercharged build Stock block?
Yes .. it’s an old show car … nopi/sema… many don’t know that back in 04/5/6ish stillen offered to cover the factory warranty if you used their supercharger… that why we didn’t turbocharged it back then and void a new car warranty….
Literally wait till the oil pressure drops to 50 and the temp needle moves off the stop
I drive right away. But I am very gentle while it's under temp. I have an 03 with 209k miles
Start car, connect phone, tweak aircon or whatever and go. Just drive sensibly for a while.
I've got an isr single and live in apt so I'll start and put seat belt on and then gently go. All of maybe 30 seconds or a minute depending.
Lmfao I redline my z before operating temp, I know it’s not good but she’s about to hit 140k, send it till we replace it in my opinion.
For as long as it takes me to get in and out of the shower in the morning
i used to let mine warm up for 5 min but if i gotta go somewhere bad i always at least wait til the needle is in the zone then drive slow
Until it’s near normal range unless I’m in a rush I’ll just keep the rpms below 3k and watch oil pressure gauge
Every single car I’ve owned I made sure they dropped below 1k atleast to start driving
About a minute or 2
Until the cars warm…
No modern car needs to warm up before you drive it, even in the cold. Start the car and drive it, that’s a myth from 20-30 years ago
I just wait until it’s above the cold line
Till the oil pressure drops that’s honestly about it then won’t rip it until it’s at operating temp
15 to 20 minutes
Make sure to let them warm up, most models are 20 or nearing, years old. Me driving an 04 I make sure my cylinders have fired at least 10 whole times before aggressively accelerating to 7k rpms to keep it safe.
As soon as the engine cranks, it's foot to the floor
warm up? i drift it cold to show whos in charge
Till the rpms settle at 800 700
You guys let you cars warm up?