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MrTojoMechanic

This is the kind of recovery I would expect from jeep owners.


semanticallysatiated

😂 Just yoink away as fast as you can. Nothing bad ever happens when you do that…


MrTojoMechanic

The worst part is they were doing it in revers. That’s a great way to strip teeth off the ring gear.


Eat_sleep_poop

I buzzed my ring gear like that in a near stock XJ. It made noise and vibrated after that until I re-geared it. But if you have a low pinion front end it’s actually stronger in reverse… I think JKs are all HP30 and 44s 


hellraisinhardass

>doing it in reverse. That’s a great way to strip teeth... off your face when a shackle/hitch/towstrap parts and slingshots it through your windshield. There are some horrible, horrible videos of this posted if you look around.


theoriginalgiga

Right? It wouldn't have been so bad if they had used a kenetic rope, those tow straps set me on edge


fokaiHI

C'mon man. They like watch their rescue. Lol


jaa1818

Didn’t help that the rear wheels weren’t spinning. Like the dude had his foot on the brake or couldn’t get it in neutral


Ok-Lengthiness4557

Yeah that aggressiveness, but it worked... this time.


0per8nalHaz3rd

Creating two pull angles instead of Daisy chaining to each other, pulling in reverse and jerking the shit out of it?


hijinks

it's a Jeep thing.. you wouldn't understand


0per8nalHaz3rd

Lol. I think I’m ok with that


Rob-Loring

🦆🦆


OffRoadAdventures88

Rough, out of time, but somehow barely functional?


cerberus_1

For fuck sakes if youre going to do that at least hold the brakes down.. OR I dunno.. put the fucking transfer case in neutral. (are they electric on these? I have no idea)


MrTojoMechanic

What got me was one jeep had a snatch strap and the other had a winch rope.


cerberus_1

The fucking pinion.. hopefully a u joint would give out first.


72chevnj

Yea the jeep being pulled out was either in gear or in park.... big brains


Maxi_We

Offroad newbie here. How would it be done properly and what did they do wrong?


MrTojoMechanic

Winch from 2 stationary vehicles with snatch blocks. Or tow it with both vehicles joined together inline and driving forwards not backwards. Also finding a way to put the transfer case in neutral so I rolled and didn’t have to be dragged. Also keep all people away from the recovery.


probablyjustpaul

I've watched enough Matt's Offroad Recovery to know they should've been winching instead of towing.


eternalephmera

And when they snatched him his wheels were locked up too. So it was probably still in gear, but the wipers work great!


Vast-Relationship271

Shit, you are right, they are lucky if the differential wasn't broke


viper_dude08

It's a jeep, that differential has been long gone.


pm_something_u_love

If the engine died, which it probably did because most snorkels are not sealed, the transmission will be in park and you need to crawl under the vehicle to put it in N.


Eat_sleep_poop

Orrr put the transfer case in neutral… 


pm_something_u_love

I've never driven a Jeep but that'll definitely work if they have a mechanical lever for the transfer. I assumed it would be a button.


Eat_sleep_poop

They still got levers! 


Rasp_Lime_Lipbalm

nope still a mechanical lever.


chuckbuckett

Probably the main reason that jeeps are still around in the off-road community and there’s no other competition.


anon11233455

What are you driving that requires you to get underneath to put the transmission in neutral? The only time I’ve ever seen this is when the electrical system is entirely dead or there is no key. Being that he drove it out there, he has a key. Your car must be a real piece of shit if you have to get underneath it every time you shift to neutral especially seeing as how neutral is between reverse and drive.


pm_something_u_love

Yeah neutral is between reverse and drive in my two manual transmission Patrols. Righto. Most modern vehicles with automatics have no mechanical linkage between the shifter and the transmission. If the engine isn't running and/or there is no electrical power you are stuck in park. The only way to get the auto transmission into N is to use the override accessible from under the car. Not what you want to do when it's still in a river.  Apparently Jeeps still have a mechanical transfer case lever though so that could've been put in neutral instead.  I'm not sure which video you watched but in this one he was dragged out wheels locked up by two other vehicles. It was in park.


jtclayton612

There’s also an override for the transmission in the cab actually, there’s a plate you pop off right in front of the gear shift and you can pull up to get it into neutral. Transfer case neutral also works though.


pm_something_u_love

I'm a New Zealander so I have no idea how Jeeps work, they are very uncommon here and the ones we do see are rarely used offroad, but that's a good feature.


jtclayton612

Absolutely fair, I think most people forget about the override unless they need to move it for a power loss lol. I’m assuming they’re probably prohibitively expensive there like they are in AUS if I had to guess?


pm_something_u_love

Yeah expensive to buy and expensive to fix as parts and expertise are rare. If you want a solid axle vehicle you're better off with a Patrol or Landcruiser. I think they are generally stronger and more reliable anyway, at least in our local market with the mods and stuff we have available here.


jtclayton612

Definitely see that, I’d love to get my hands on a patrol or some of the land cruisers you guys get for the more chill overlanding stuff. And thankfully over here the aftermarket for a Jeep is insane, you can just build some of the older ones by buying aftermarket frames, bodies etc from the ground up lol. Next upgrade is bigger front and rear axles and a new transfer case and I’m pretty much done other than hydro assist steering and 37s once my current 35s wear out.


semanticallysatiated

Yep, my LR4/Disco4 has one. Had to use it the other week after it got stuck in Park. Luckily it was able to go onto a recovery truck. The actual issue with it was with the gear change module. One of the connections needed re soldering. I need to add a portable soldering iron to my car kit.


ssxhoell1

All you need is a butane torch and some solder wire


ghmastermind

Many Toyotas have this too


Squidking1000

Not in all cars. My mercedes has no way to be mechanically moved to neutral. Stupid but true.


puertonican

*swim


ADirtyScrub

You definitely do not need to crawl under it to put it in N. My Jeep is old enough that both the trans and tcase shifter are mechanical and can be shifted with no power. I'm not sure if these newer Wrangler's have an electronic shifter for the transmission but the tcase is still mechanical.


Ponklemoose

> I'm not sure if these newer Wrangler's have an electronic shifter for the transmission but the tcase is still mechanical. The new one's are electronic. My wife's JT will put itself in park if you open the door while stopped. One more reason to go manual and to keep my LJ.


Bidenisacheater

Not true. Fiats have an orange tab hidden that you can override the park switch. Some even have a little removable tab to shift to neutral. That’s a bmw thing with the trans having to be put into neutral with a Allen wrench


single_sentence_re

The driver must have put it in park so it wouldn't float away.


SunRayyz_

That's why the guy whistled and waved signaling them to stop. They kept going though lol


impishboof

Wait what would be the difference here?


phantomsteel

Less wear and tear and less moving parts to the recovery. Also their form on this was all around really bad. Shouldn't snatch in reverse and looks like they were actually tied off to their winches instead of a recovery point.


eternalephmera

Honestly the more you look at it the more it becomes a pretty decent example of "how to ford a river dangerously, and then how to recover a dead jeep dangerously" so it's not bad as a cautionary video.


impishboof

Yeah wtf i just noticed how bad it was. Dudes using his winch but at the same time not using it lol


Ozarkafterdark

Apparently they think the winch is just for spooling up the cable after you're done like a hose reel.


BeardsuptheWazoo

A 2fer!


DarthtacoX

I look like they were using standard tow rope instead of recovery rope.


phantomsteel

Like the other reply to me said, the more you look the worse it gets


haqglo11

Everyone shading the shitty recovery, but honestly this is far from the worst outcome here. No one died and the jeep is on dry land.


7ofalltrades

"No one died this time" is not right take here. Every decision was the wrong decision, and they got lucky. It is right the throw shade at them.


phantomsteel

Right, but this comment chain listing examples of all the screw ups is in response to someone asking why this was bad.


vgullotta

yeah, winch is also significantly easier to control than a YOLO DOUBLE REVERSE YANK, but given the way they got into this situation in the first place, I'm not even remotely surprised lol


dewky

The way they did it would make sense if it was bobbing in deep water and they wanted to try and recover it before it sinks. Stupid in this situation though.


cobigguy

Up until recently he didn't even own a winch. I've stopped watching him because he refuses to do basic things that would make his recoveries safer, easier, and more practical. At least carry an air compressor, extra fuel, and some basic tools if you're going to be a professional...


MartiniCommander

I’ve watched him winch for years


cobigguy

As far as I can tell, his first winch job was a few years ago. Otherwise he's always just yanked and pulled. Either way, the rest of my point stands.


MartiniCommander

A few years ago isn’t “until recently”.


samwstew

Always winch in a recovery *unless* it is unsafe or impossible to do so, which is extremely rare.


crozone

I've watched enough Matt's Offroad Recovery to know that they should have taken it out of gear first.


Draymond_Purple

1. Learn what a shiftlock override is and where it is on your vehicle. Could easily have released those wheels to spin. 2. When recovering from water/mud like this, it's best to break suction first. Use a slow recovery method (i.e. Winch) to break the suction, then use a kinetic rope if you want to. 3. In the previous video, I bet if he had thrown it into reverse when he got turned around and kept his wheels moving in the direction of travel, there were a couple moments where he could have caught the bank with a wheel and maybe brought him to the other side.


Rasp_Lime_Lipbalm

Shiftlock? Jeeps literally have a manual lever to pop the transfer case into neutral. This guy doesn't belong anywhere near a 4x4


KentuckyCatMan

None of these people mentioned it?


red8reader

Shiftlock is well-overlooked. But this was rocks, not mud, no need to worry about suction.


Draymond_Purple

That sand on the beach is that fine, wet, gooey stuff that def can create lots of suction. No way of knowing exactly what's under that brown water but it's likely the same as is on the beach. Moreover, if that's where the vehicle came to rest after floating in the current, that means other particulate matter (i.e. suction-causing sand) also likely precipitates and builds up in that location.


red8reader

You can see it in the video. If there were any fine silt it would wash up on the tires and stick for a bit.


Draymond_Purple

yeah you're right... ugh painful to look that closely at those wheels getting dragged like that lol


pm_something_u_love

It looked like the engine died pretty quick. It would be unlikely that the snorkel and airbox were perfectly sealed.  I've seen a LandCruiser 70 series in this situation and they reversed down stream with only the front wheels on the ground until the river fanned out,   then managed to get up the bank. The water was half way up the windscreen but the truck kept running as the snorkel was fully sealed and the engine was an old mechanical diesel.


Draymond_Purple

That's what I'm talking about! Yeah it must not have been sealed because if it was, then the vehicle could definitely have made it out with the right driver


Individual_Ad_3036

this guy was not the right driver, he had a wheel catch several times (you can see the speed and/or rotation change) and wasn't able to take advantage.


Draymond_Purple

Exactly. On the first video thread I mentioned that there was a decent chance he makes it through if he quickly threw it in reverse, all these folks downvoted, saying "hurr durr snorkel no worky". Truck is plenty capable, the right driver makes it across.


crozone

> Learn what a shiftlock override is and where it is on your vehicle. Could easily have released those wheels to spin. It's got a fucking manual T-case lever with neutral. Even if the Jeep was electrically dead you can always get it out of gear. The owner is just a moron.


trivletrav

Learn? Have you met wrangler owners?


ElGuapo315

4. Don't yank and tow in reverse. Your ring and pinion aren't made for that. They are made to do that moving forward. If you want to grenade your front and rear ends, that's the way to do it.


ApricotNo2918

"But he has a snorkel!"


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notacunt88

Excuse my ignorance, can you elaborate on the danger. Is it the risk of the bungee snapping back and hitting the occupants of the jeeps pulling?


jhermaco15

Yes. 1. snatch recoveries can be very dangerous if the car is stuck deep in the mud of the river, the odds of the rope failing before the car moves is a lot higher because deep mud is a slow and steady recovery, NOT a quick yank recovery 2. Doing a a kinetic recovery backwards with your windshield facing the connection points means that if it were to snap, its coming right at that windshield. (also just from a non safety car standpoint, doing a recovery in reverse is a lot more stress on the vehicle than fwd) They shouldve either winched him out, or used their rear recovery points and went into low gear and pulled the water jeep out slowly,


notacunt88

Thank you! I don’t know if I’ll ever need this information, but if I should so happen to fall into a situation like this, consider this knowledge of invaluable importance and I am very grateful:)


Boogie_Bones

Adding that they drug that jeep out of there while still in gear as evidenced by the locked wheels also both added to the power needed to pull it out and increased the likelihood of breaking things.


notacunt88

I noticed that and assumed it was damage rather than incompetence! I must have overestimated these guys


Boogie_Bones

The camera man yelling at them and waving his arms to stop yet they kept pulling another 30 feet was the cherry on top


wimploaf

I don't think that was a kinetic strap so even worse.


SlodenSaltPepper6

One of the fucksticks is pulling in reverse with his winch cable. The other looks like they have two lines tied together? That’s actually less stupid than shackling them together and getting a face full of momentum. These people have no business trying any of this.


MakingYouMad

Plus, ya know, snatching from their winches rather than recover points.


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notacunt88

Damn. The jello image hits home. Thank you!


semanticallysatiated

Thanks for teaching me the hood lesson!


eternalephmera

They started by not knowing the powers and forces of rushing water, which is already sketchy enough.


North_Ad_4450

That's not how you use a winch


samwstew

Love how they just dragged it all the way in park. Now on top of water damage you probably need a transmission.


pastorthegreat

How he got in this mess (Part 1): https://www.reddit.com/r/4x4/s/xXTHE5L7os


Thel_Odan

This looks expensive.


EmotionalLecture9318

Bunch of fkn amateurs


crozone

Everything about this was dumb


NEVERVAXXING

Yeah maybe you need 2 jeeps to pull it if you leave it in park LOL


randomassholeperson4

Maybe put it in neutral first?


Kerensky97

I wonder if the water got into the electronics and fried the shifter. New model vehicles don't have physical linkages anymore. And because they're Jeep drivers they don't understand how to operate their shift lock override.


randomassholeperson4

The 2 Jeep owners that pulled him out have at least played an off road video game on their phones before. I fully expected one to ram the Jeep in the river until it was out.


jmm701

Seems to me these people have no business off-road in a jeep. This must be their first time.


crewchiefguy

Also nothing in the middle of the line to weigh it down if it snapped.


semanticallysatiated

Learning loads from this post! How do you do that then?


min0nim

Tie a wet towel, or use the bag that the snatch strap comes in with something soft and heavy/wet in it.


crozone

Also obligatory: Never ever tow a vehicle from a trailer towball.


arieadil

Oh god, I didn’t even think about that until this moment but that could end pretty violently, huh My jeep comes in next Wednesday to pick up. I’m so fucking new and learning a lot here phew


CafeRoaster

These people have no idea wtf they’re doing 🤣


mr_thwibble

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE REVERSE GEAR!!


Hey-buuuddy

Don’t pull in reverse, let alone by blasting into it. The shape of ring and pinion gears is scalloped so that forward direction is strongest and reverse is not. Also just generally don’t do this so fast. People can get hurt and jeeps can get hurt. Buy a fucking winch and know how to use it.


Off-Da-Ricta

Lol two Jeeps towing from the river when they should both be up on dry ground connected in series. And yanking that hard while in water is how you get 3 stuck Jeeps These are the type of dudes to have a snatch block under their seat and not know how to use it.


xINFAM0USx

Did he not put it in neutral?


DiamondDallasHand

Where’s the guy who was adamantly commenting on the first video that the jeep was reversing out of the water and able to drive home?


alphatango308

I said it was totaled in the first video lol.


Fivefingerheist

Amazing how all those commentors disappeared after the first video. Dudes literally saying he's 100% fine with the 'snorkle' 🤣


crozone

Well if it wasn't, it sure as shit is now. I wouldn't be surprised if it still starts and runs, but it's never going to smell right again...


dr_blasto

Was that thing in park when they dragged it? What kind of stupid shit is this?


Accomplished-Edge508

Ummm... Was that vehicle still in gear when they yanked that from the river?


crozone

WHY WAS IT STILL IN GEAR??? They probably could have gently towed it out or even driven it out otherwise. You literally just pull a handle to put the T-case into neutral. These guys are morons.


showerbox

Drunk probably, cameraman tells them from the beginning to "let dude release parking brake first" giggle, at the end he tells them again with a little more disdain in his voice "the idiot is still in gear". Edit words


crozone

Well at least that makes sense. I wonder how much damage they did. Honestly it's a miracle that none of them were injured.


showerbox

Cameraman was telling them the whole time that it was "amarrado" ( literally it means tied up, but in this case ebrake/ in gear) clowns wouldn't listen lol. That "guey/wey" at the end sounded personal too lol, as in "the idiot is in gear" and not "the dude is in gear"


Terribleharold177

What kind of shitty math problem is this? “How many Ethan’s driving jeeps does it take to pull Dustin’s jeep out of a river? Round to the nearest white claw”


CMDRHailedcaribou91

Didn't event put it in neutral. Just insane.


TheOperatEeyore

Ok we have you hooked up, now turn off the engine and put it in park... wait safety first...dont forget the parking brake!


Sunnothere

That gets worse the more times you watch it. Should be used as a vid on what not to do.


OnlyD4NS

More cents than sense


Talking-Mad-Shit

“No low-ballers, I know what I have.”


Supermoto112

Why didn’t they put a bunch of those stupid ducks under it to help float it out?


GrillinGorilla

Should have just used their rubber ducks to float it to safety. Jeez.


Hype3386

Why didn’t he have it in neutral? Pulling against locked wheels?


Vandy1358v2_0

Hydrolocked?


AngleAmazing

1st rule when offloading a jeep. Bring multiple jeeps so when one of you break down the others can tow you home! 🤣


-acm

Not a winch in sight


b-rad420

Even worse. Tow or snatch straps attached to winches.


Minor_Blackbird

These are Jeeps, not jon boats...


suttbutt2014

Were the hubs locked up, didnt look like the tires spun when pulled


TweakJK

They probably couldnt figure out how to take it out of park.


suttbutt2014

Were the hubs locked up, didnt look like the tires spun when pulled


timeboom30

dumbass


picklesuitpauly

Did their ducks make it out safe? Please reply.


NorthSideDork

Yes all ducks made it safely out of the vehicle and are now at one with the river floating downstream as pollution.


cab1024

I like how the windshield wipers were on


NorthSideDork

Electrical damage, they are now forever on.


Secret_Paper2639

Snorkel the TIPM next time


dabigbaozi

Hey, this looks like a good chance to use these winches we paid a lot of money for. Nah, let’s just connect this tow strap I got somewhere to both winches and see what happens.


dsdvbguutres

You first. No, you first.


alphatango308

Still probably totaled lol.


Salty_Candy_4917

*The adolescent jeep remains stuck as the elders of the herd gather round helplessly, unsure what to do. Their efforts remain futile as nature tragically takes its course…* *David Attenborough voice


wizteq

Note to self. Don’t buy a red jeep.


EsElBastardo

Was this in Azusa canyon?


Monsoonl22

Im guessing it still starts


dickdaddy_fo_twinny

Shoulda put it in rivers sooner


AN2Felllla

Good thing he had his wipers on. Without them, he would have been toast.


Select-Bullfrog-6346

Someone didn't go through first before taking their car


Gangrif

This is the red jeep club. where we only do stupid things in red jeeps.


bbbermooo

It's a jeep thing. Still.


Blizzat_Bladow

It boggles my mind the stupidity of some people around moving water. It takes very little to overwhelm a vehicle and much less a person. Stay safe lunatics!


SaneJake

So beautiful. Three red jeeps. All for one, one for all


Vercingetorix1986

mOaR jEePs wiLL sOlVe it, c'mOn BoYs!


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Noobnoob99

TJs, YJs, and CJs seem to be more reliable than the Fiat models


nestlemuffin

Why?


mouzii90

At least the wipers still work.


VolatileImp

Good thing that snorkel was high. The other jeep swere afraid of the water, as they should be. They saw what it did to the clean jeep.


OJ_outdoors

Que bola pendejos no mams so tan babosos eduquence pinches nacos de mierda


hookydoo

I expected no less than to see the wheels locked up when they yanked him out. Looked like the two doing the towing didnt have much communication either, just all gas and pick the pieces up later lol.


GreazyFrog

Are red Jeep owners the red-headed stepchild of 'normal' Jeep owners?


Gxoverland

Ouch!!!


safety-squirrel

Everything about this recovery makes my ass itch.


Trubester88

Thank you for the update to the original tomfoolery. Now there is even more to laugh about. I love it


Dystopian_Future_

He just needed more ducks is all


labustymcdicklips

Glad it's in park


Infamous_Collection2

Precisely why you buy a Land Cruiser: so you don’t need 3 jeep wranglers


Upwhereweallmatter

This dude has a winch....


johnwynne3

Nice 3-way Jeep on Jeep action.


MasterVaderTheTurd

Wouldn’t you want to pull tension first then pull jeep out? That lasso was loose and they went ham! That could’ve ended bad, right? Snapping lasso, whipping opposite directions, etc!


luisells

"Offer Up post" Absolutely nothing wrong with this one. Looking to get a different vehicle for my family. Never abused.


stathread

Seriously, it took two jeeps? Meh.


13579adgjlzcbm

Shouldn’t it just have floated due to all the rubber ducks?


mixmasterwillyd

But what also floats in water?


rheorunner

A duck floats in water. Bread, apples, very small rocks, cider, gravy, cherries, mud, churches, lead...


ax255

How Many Jeep owners does it take to screw in a light bulb? We will never know, they are all in the river.


skwormin

wow..... I'm an absolute amateur off roader and even I know pulling with a static rope like this with a tug is a definite no-no. Sheeeeeeeesh do some basic research. dumb and dumber!!!


NorthSideDork

This is very true. Can you tell what's going on in the middle of the yellow strap? Is that a broken strap that's been tied together?


semanticallysatiated

Think they’ve just lark headed two straps together


Angelworks42

I have a feeling this video is after several hours of different attempts at recovery - including breaking a strap.