Maybe I’m in the minority here, but what I saw happen to FSU is not good for the sport. Syracuse got stomped by USF because half the team opted out of the game. Obviously everyone just thinks the team sucks, and that’s probably half true, but the other half was players leaving.
The NCAA, or whatever future entity runs college football, has to get a handle on this. NIL is ruining this sport, and it won’t be long until fans start to check out.
Nothing you can do about the NFL and the massive contracts they will make. You have to match the opportunity with money or force them to stay with contracts.
You could adopt the draft like nhl or mlb teams, and draft players pre-college. Although that would require a partnership between nfl and ncaa teams for development
Bingo. The draft is a real concern for approximately 120 players each season. Spread across dozens of teams that’s not a huge impact. The biggest impact is players sitting out because they intend to transfer. It’s awful. I hate it
ESPN owns almost all the bowls. The bowls pick who ESPN tells them to pick.
The CFB was always going to pick Texas (I am a Texas Ex), Michigan and Bama if the had any opportunity to.
If they had a plausible way to pick Norte Dame, the Irish would have gotten the invite over undefeated FSU and Washington.
Yes FSU fans. I thought you got screwed by the committee. By acting like an Orange Bowl invite was like getting invited to the Red Wedding, your team, your elected officials, and your fans made everyone think the committee did a good job.
You just hit on why I believe the ACC settles out of court with FSU. ESPN does not want the ACC vs FSU to go to court and risk discovery on contracts and communications.
Red wedding or not it's not the championship. We also 6-4 vs sec as a conference so who's better an all that is also a bold faced lie. We did it on the field. Now the ACC is mad we want out. Why stay when a school like Kentucky is going to have 90 mill coming for buying players from the sec and FSU with all the NFL talent and championships and fan base will have like 30 from current acc setup. Players opting out should honestly we should have waited five minutes before the game and forfeited. Jaheim Bell is supposed to risk dropping down the board because he gets injured in a game where he has a third string QB and other opt outs? Or go get his NFL dream? Fat sloppy guys sitting on their couch screaming at their TV who never earned anything on the field of play have the nerve to question his or other players decisions. CFP committee let in TCU and other schools its never been the "best 4" unless you are not a power 5 and obviously playing lesser talent. ACC is better than the SEC this year on the field and a power 5 conference no matter what you think. Pac 12 plays no defense. SEC has the worst non conference record this year...FSU is undefeated. CFP is now curating the Westminster dog show and not a football playoff. Then those same folks have the nerve to talk about being a competitor. Screw the CFP and Screw any clown who doesn't know how this actually works. FSU is iqhga
This makes literally zero sense. It’s insane how this dumb conspiracy has become so popular this month. Why can’t people just accept that FSU didn’t have a QB and were justifiably left out of the playoff as a result? It’s really that simple. There’s no conspiracy. This was the right decision.
FSU is a massively popular name brand school. If the networks were picking playoff teams for ratings, then FSU would have been in and Washington would have been the odd man out. Because FSU is a bigger brand.
Also, the committee would have put Notre Dame over G5 Cincinnati two years ago. TCU wouldn’t have made it last year. But that didn’t happen because there’s no conspiracy. Committee has been doing an honest job picking the right teams, balancing “best 4” with most deserving and prioritizing head to heads when possible.
You’re probably right. It sounds pretty likely that ESPN would conspire to fix the playoff team selection to snub one of the most popular and biggest brand name blue bloods who they have a media rights contract with.
That makes a lot of sense
It's not NIL it's just the fact that these kids are smartening up and realizing if it isn't a playoff game, it is a pointless gamble where they may get hurt & ruin their NFL prospects.
NIL imo, isn't even the main reason CFB is dying infront of us, it's the greedy fucks at ESPN & other networks successfully destroying conferences
>realizing if it isn't a playoff game, it is a pointless gamble where they may get hurt & ruin their NFL prospects.
What about this changes if it is a playoff game?
Agree. A bowl trip is an expensive special occasion. Teams sell themselves to bowls partially based on expected attendance. But who’s gonna spend $thousands to go to a bowl game if half or more of their starters will opt out. I don’t see how the bowl system survives this.
It’s not the NIL. It’s the money in general that took over collegiate football.
The NIL. Is simply the players getting a cut of that money that has corrupted the system.
And they should get some of the money. Because it’s them who are doing all the work. That allows this multibillion dollar industry to exist.
The problem isn’t the players getting a cut. The problem is a common one in the USA. The problem is $$$ dictates everything, including which teams make the playoffs.
As Texas and Alabama were specifically added because in a 3vs4 national title scenario. No game would draw more money than a Texas Alabama rematch.
Yeah after all the opt outs this season I guarantee you moving forward a bunch of NIL money is gonna have some strings attached such that players get more if they play in the bowl game
First, I’m old for Reddit, so my comment is colored by my experience from even pre-BCS days. I’ve said for years that the playoff has ruined the CFB regular season and bowl season. The idea that we needed a playoff is silly—it was propagated by broadcast companies for TV ad revenues. And fans bought right in.
One of the great things about CFB has always been its quirkiness, local and unique fan traditions, the value of conference titles, etc. Part of all that is the idea that you can have a split title. No one hears Michigan and Nebraska or Miami and Washington fans lamenting the fact that we have some split national titles.
I really wish we could just go back to the pre-BCS days of conference bowl tie-ins and no playoff, no BCS games, etc.
Couldn’t agree more, and I’m a Miami fan; we got screwed by votes over and over.
Also don’t mind the split title, because everyone knows we would have beat the shit out of Washington.
I think the solution should be to have the bowl games as the first game of the next season….unless you are in the playoff.
With the portal season the exact same time as traditional bowl season, what is happening now will only get worse.
It would also add a nice pop to the start of the season. Who wouldn’t like to see Ohio State, USC or Georgia actually open with a real team?
It would also reward teams with additional SoS that a 12/13 game team wouldn’t have.
Bowl games are literally commercials. The actual game is secondary.The problem is Bowl games are strategically placed around the holiday season to maximize profit and sponsor exposure.
Agreed. I only watched 1 bowl game this year so far and it was my alma mater. Otherwise I have had no interest in spending time watching the others. And I love football.
I've watched all 37 bowls that have been played so far. The LOWEST rated bowl games are more watched than UNC-Duke basketball games. Plenty of people watch, and in fact viewership is up this year.
This wouldn’t solve the issue entirely though. The team that won enough games to be bowl eligible might be entirely different than the team that begins the season next year due to graduation, transfers, NFL draft, etc.
And?
The issue is having a fully invested team playing. The teams playing this bowl season are not anywhere close to what they were 3 weeks ago because of the portal window.
What’s the difference between the 2?
The difference is the regular season team will be more invested in trying to win.
This doesn't make sense.
What about the seniors? They don't get a bowl game?
What about transfers? If someone transfers from one team to their opponent in that bowl game, do they play?
What about a team with a new coach?
I’m not sure what you don’t get?
Unless you’re in the playoff there is no post season bowl.
The bowl is the first game of the next season.
The rub right now is players are picking the portal over bowls.
Either change the portal time or change how you do bowls.
If you’re a senior….you graduate.
Transfers will happen anyway. And why wouldn’t a transfer be eligible to play next season any? That’s just a silly question.
Same as a new coach. You coach the games that put in front of you.
Georgia opened with Clemson in 21, Oregon in 22, were supposed to have Oklahoma this year but SEC stopped that and have Clemson in 24. That is pretty strong opening games.
Gotta point out that Syracuse did NOT have any large numbers of opt outs, they were just decimated by injury. They had a TE playing QB DURING MULTIPLE REGULAR SEASON GAMES. Idk what game you're thinking of, but Syracuse was just a heavily injured team, not much you can do about that.
I agree, I truly believe die hard fans will start moving on. Especially with G5 teams. They see a player have a good game and think “won’t matter he will be gone next year” or teams like Miss St or those mid level teams that now have to fight to just make a bowl with conference expansion. I believe soon we will see a bigger drop in attendance and viewership.
This has been worse and it’s due to the portal. Nobody is bitching about first round / second round picks opting out. I read somewhere there will be 400 opt outs. That’s mostly portal stuff.
That and the stupid timing of how the schedule works out. Using FSU’s backup QB as an example if he played in the bowl game he would have less than a week to decide/visit schools, enroll, and start classes. That or the school allows him to miss several bowl practices to get a head start and still play in the bowl game, which I believe several schools have already done just not with QBs.
The only realistic option I’ve found for all of this is move the bowl games to week 0 and play them to kickoff the next season, with an expanded playoff postseason.
They literally changed that stats count in 2002. Literally No one actually involved in the meaningless games thinks they’re important. Literally only you do.
NIL has nothing to do with this?
Aren't Texas and Washington making their first appearances since the CFB?
This year obviously had greater parity than any year since the CFB, and it was due to greater opportunities for kids to go other places and earn money and playing time, rather than sit behind starters at Alabama and OSU.
Agree. Too much money in the sport.
Coaches should be volunteers, just like the players. No professional contracts, no corporate sponsors.
Keep amateur sports amateur.
Alternatively, standardize income by paying players wages.
You want to regulate players income? Start by giving the players income.
College football is the minor league NFL.
Players get it.
Coaches get it, even if they don’t like it.
A lot of college football fans don’t want to believe it.
CFB boned FSU. FSU players boned them back. FSU as an organization has to show up bc money for the program no AD is gonna op out of millions of dollars from a bowl game of this level for the school. This was a spring game for FSU. If I was a player I would be mad at the CFB. I would want to play but I understand why nfl level guys said fuck it. They didn’t get respect for going 13-0. Now the tv network gets a shitty product. It’s the only way the players could fight back. CFB also told players at FSU that they can’t win a national championship there. Granted the 12 team playoff this can’t happen.
I cheer for the dawgs in the sec. I lived in GA during the dawgs national championships and I like them. Not my fav team tho (go pitt). I was upset they missed the playoffs bc I think they are one of the best teams in college football. But I’m not gonna act like this was a legit game and fsu isn’t good. I think the dawgs beat them full strength but still. This doesn’t take away from 13-0.
Well I was talking about the greater college football landscape and not ncaa outside football so I felt CFB was best to use. CFP is a part of it but doesn’t encompass the whole problem.
FSU didn’t bone anybody but their own fans and possibly their own recruiting by pissing this game away. The CFP loved they didn’t show up and got blown out. Casual fans like the commenter above who dont know how many guys they were missing will say “huh, looks like committee got it right”. You said it yourself, georgia fans and players also felt like they were a top 4 team. But their team showed up and fuckin competed. One team has a championship culture, one absolutely does not and that showed this weekend.
you’re 100% correct not sure why you’re being downvoted so much. FSU felt they were a playoff team, you have a chance to go against the defending champs and former #1 seed Georgia and prove a point! But all their players sit or opt out, they didn’t give af ab winning, they just wanted the spotlight to earn NIL deals
they were literally missing every starter except 2 linebackers and 1 db lol. i wanna say they at least somewhat tried but the 2 yard runs up the middle on 3rd and longs suggest otherwise
what starters played then. i watched the whole game and the only ones i saw was payton cypress and deloach for 3 quarters. on offense they had like 3 guys ive never heard of before
- On defense
- Payton (DE2)
- DeLoach (LB1)
- Cypress (CB1)
- Brown (SS)
- On Offense
- Morlock (TE2)
- Douglas (WR3)
- Scott Jr.(hurt all season), Washington (LT and top backup OL)
- Roddick (LG)
- Smith (C)
- Emmanuel (RG)
- Byers (RT)
- Everyone else playing was backup or 3rd string.
We were without QB1, QB2, RB1, RB2, RB3, WR1, WR2, TE1, TE3, DE1, DT1, DT2, DT3, LB2, LB3, CB2, CB3, FS1
Not true. They had their entire oline and were missing 5 on defense. The fact is FSU got what they paid for. They put all their eggs in the 2023 basket and when that didn’t work out all their hired guns opted out. I get sure fire first rounders opting out but when you have guys projected to go in the late rounds opting out that’s a program issue. It’s why you don’t build your program on the portal. You build through recruiting and sprinkle in a few portals. Like all the teams currently in the playoffs. FSU will be lucky to win 8 games next year.
They were missing 7 on defense lmfao. This isn’t a program issue, those guys had their hearts ripped out of their chest by forces outside of themselves and had no desire to play a meaningless game. This has nothing to do with the program and you thinking it does proves you didn’t see what this team did in the cheese it bowl against OU last year.
Getting blown out isn’t what people are referring to. It’s the opting out of relatively meaningless games. The narrative is that this confirms that FSU had no business being in the CFP, but this blowout is more complex than that. You lose your starting heisman finalist QB and are consequentially “snubbed”. In response you’re relegating to a meaningless bowl game against a top team that has a fraction of the opt outs that you have.
The FSU QB was not a Heisman finalist…. and UGA was missing a ton of players, as well, due to injuries and transfers. That’s something that people aren’t talking about. Not to mention that the 5th and 6th string walk-ons were putting it to FSU, too.
Georgia was missing a fraction of what FSU was missing…. If you don’t think Travis was up there in the heisman running then we have nothing to discuss. Like I said it’s more complex, morale is a thing and FSU had none after the season ended the way it did. I’m not even a FSU fan, but let’s be serious.
1- Anything can be a fraction. 9/10, 1/10, 10/10. So, that’s not saying anything. But, FSU had 27 out due to injury, transfer, or opt out. UGA had 26. So, yeah. 2- Travis was literally not a Heisman finalist. Do you know what a Heisman finalist is?? 3- it’s really not complex at all. 4- doesn’t matter what team you cheer for. When you’re wrong, you’re wrong. And you, my friend, are wrong.
You’re arguing semantics. Use your brain and understand figures of speech. He was a fringe heisman player, when a person refers to fractions you what that they are trying to get across. It is complex FOR YOU because you think that being left out of the CFP wouldn’t have an affect on team morale/effort. Like I said be serious
Lolololol. Let’s get things straight here. You used the “fraction” argument because you thought that FSU had out like 40 players and UGA only had out like 5. So, when I made the comment about what different fractions are, it was to say technically you were right. But it was more of me making fun of the statement you made because there was a 1-player difference lolololololololol. And, again, let’s get it straight. I’m simply saying that it doesn’t matter what players FSU had. UGA was going to win that game. Not to mention that the best player in college football, who plays for UGA, sat out the game due to injury. :)
Georgia was missing what 2 starters? Also, stop parroting the backups did x in the 2nd half, as 2nd and 3rd teams practice all year as a unit and entered in the 2nd half fresh as a cohesive unit, while FSU was playing with a mix of 3rd stringers and walk ons.
This conference is a joke from a football standpoint. It’s just two teams Clemson and FSU- the rest are beyond medicore and rarely if ever will sniff the top 10 of college football.
You could play that game 100 times with your players who opted out. All first string and uga’s second string would still give you an ole Georgia mud stomping.
LSU was just looking ahead to their conference schedule. And last year when we beat them, LSU was breaking in a new coach. There’s always some dumb excuse from them. I don’t know why they are so thin-skinned that they can’t ever just say, “Good game! You are better than us this year.” They are still so hungry for respect that they don’t always deserve.
You're right, we don't actually give you a trophy for participating. And Clemson is the only other team with significant trophies.
Since joining FSU has 16/32 ACC championships, they've been ranked in the top 5 more weeks than the rest of the conference combined, they have 3 national championships the rest of the conference has 2 collectively in that time, though that's just a nice way of saying Clemson has two and the rest of you really suck. So go sit down.
Your fucking triple option up until last year is part of the damn problem. How a fan base lets that shit go on for so long is beyond me. To call what you guys did participating is a discredit to the teams who at least tried.
Acting like you haven't lost 4 of the last 7 we have played against you with 3 of them with the triple option. If y'all are so much better than why did you not win those especially the ones against the triple option.
Wasn’t talking about my team.
FSU had a good year until yesterday, but I’m not ready to call it a dynasty. Yesterday showed that its second and third string really aren’t that good.
Your AD will be dead? Do you know what an AD is? That’s the athletic director.
I think you mean your program will be dead. But keep on reinforcing the academic reputation of FSU.
You said “8 win team annually” lol. Have you ever seen Kentucky win a national title and have a heisman trophy winner? I’ve seen it twice in Tallahassee😂 FSU’s ceiling is what it is and it’s higher than 8 wins annually in any conference. Don’t believe me? Go look at the recruiting rankings over the last 15-20 years, see who you see in the top 5/ 10 more, FSU or UK. After all, we are all fishing from the same nationwide pool of players.
I know I shouldn’t be engaging with people like this, people that refuse to acknowledge the big picture BUT I love ACC teams shitting on us as if we didn’t just run the table on this conference and win it with our third string quarterback.
If we suck what does that say about the rest of you guys?
Edit: It’s been fun stirring the pot with this comment but I really gotta get shit done around the house for tonight so I’m going to have to turn notifications off because I lack the self-control to not engage when you guys comment. Love you all and Happy New Year!
No, you just lost to, Cincy, WVU, UNC, VT, Wake, ND by 51, fucking Syracuse, Duke, and of course us who over tripled your score, definitely something to brag about!
Do you think a pitt fan accepting what they were is a bit easier than fsu fans having to accept being left out of the CFP at 13-0? What legitimate gripes does a pitt fan have about their season..
And its also rough to single out the fanbase when any fanbase would be up in arms and making a shitstorm about the situation. They acted as any fanbase would
Also not sure why fsu is gonna be anybody's punching bag in another conference. Stop talking about fsu like theyre a small shitty program
I have no gripes. I’d be as pissed as you but you have people belittling our conference as you see by the parent comment and I’m confronting them. I don’t think you have a small shitty program. At least small shitty programs get a touchdown in bowl games.
We won the ACC 2 years ago but we're bottom feeders? The entire conference had to completely change to prevent another Wake Pitt conference championship and we're bottom feeders? FSU is so trashy. Y'all need to figure out your lives or something.
My how quickly some forget where they were in the pecking order a few years ago. Please. Run to the SEC. It will be the last we will much hear from Florida State. And to think I used to like you guys. Thanks for correcting that error.
I'm an FSU alumnus. I didn't realize this sub has flairs.
Regardless doesn't change the fact. If I had to go to school in Pittsburgh it would not be at Pitt.
The Big Ten has academic standards. If they wanted a Florida school it would be Florida - not coming - or Miami - not sure they will ever be a football power again. Enjoy the SEC or Big XII.
Imagine being a fan of a school like VA Tech that has less wins in 3 years than the winning streak FSU was on. VA Tech is the ACC version of Arkansas that no one cares enough about to even mention. Do you seek counseling for your grief knowing the Big12 is your eventual home?🤷♂️
So what do you say to GA Tech that put up a better fight than the team that played yesterday? FSU is such hot garbage and I’m enjoying all of your loser tears.
Tech put up 23 points and only lost by one possession to that team. You guys got butt fucked on national tv and somehow have the gall to try and talk shit. Kindly shut the fuck up.
Lmao Clemson is going to dominate FSU next year. Enjoy your regular season success, try to have amnesia about your orange bowl spitroasting, because your window has slammed shut
Oh I’m fine thanks for asking, if you think I care that much about our scout team losing to Georgia, you’re sorely mistaken, I just find it funny that teams we beat are trying to clown us as if we didn’t already win the conference.
I think the majority of ACC sports fans care primarily about basketball.
I went to Michigan for graduate school too though—my only regret is we aren’t playing you tomorrow. It’s the next best thing to a by week.
Maybe if we had just cheated like you guys we’d be in the playoffs.
Also serious question, if you’re not a fan of an ACC school why the hell are you here, I never understood people that do that?
We as a conference may suck, but no one, I mean no one in our conference has ever been brutally emasculated to the point of an historical record setting embarrassment on the national stage quite like FSU. Regards your ACC brethren.
How about if your team fields less than 90% of its players in a bowl game, you are banned from next year’s bowl and have to give up 50% of your conference money?
BIG members , I hope you enjoy this disaster heading your way. It’s gonna be comical witnessing FSU consistently aggravate the pretentious blue bloods of Michigan, USC, Ohio St, and Washington. May be the first time in history we witness a forced conference contraction.
My concern is the playoff is simply a concession to the Bowls. The playoffs will be held in bowl venues. Fans won't be able to afford all the trips to watch their teams play in remote locations.
I believe critical path looks like this...
Conference Championship
Playoff Game 1 : former Bowl Game
Playoff Game 2 : Former Bowl Game
National Championship
You will end up with a very diluted attendance. Even teams from Florida or Georgia where you are in driving distance to three of the venues would be taxing.
The coach isn't good at his job! He knew his players weren't playing and couldn't coach up the guys that were going to play the game to be more competitive?!? UT- Martin and Ball St. kept the score closer.
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but what I saw happen to FSU is not good for the sport. Syracuse got stomped by USF because half the team opted out of the game. Obviously everyone just thinks the team sucks, and that’s probably half true, but the other half was players leaving. The NCAA, or whatever future entity runs college football, has to get a handle on this. NIL is ruining this sport, and it won’t be long until fans start to check out.
The NCAA is not even close to running college football as much as ESPN and big media.
Nobody’s taking about the NFL. That’s the entire reason why players are opting out.
Nothing you can do about the NFL and the massive contracts they will make. You have to match the opportunity with money or force them to stay with contracts.
You could adopt the draft like nhl or mlb teams, and draft players pre-college. Although that would require a partnership between nfl and ncaa teams for development
It’s definitely not the entire reason. More players are opting out because of the portal than the draft.
Bingo. The draft is a real concern for approximately 120 players each season. Spread across dozens of teams that’s not a huge impact. The biggest impact is players sitting out because they intend to transfer. It’s awful. I hate it
lol fuck outta here with this shit. There are not 30 guys on FSUs roster hitting the NFL Draft lol
What is ESPN doing to ruin the sport? Before ESPN came along, most games weren’t even televised.
ESPN owns almost all the bowls. The bowls pick who ESPN tells them to pick. The CFB was always going to pick Texas (I am a Texas Ex), Michigan and Bama if the had any opportunity to. If they had a plausible way to pick Norte Dame, the Irish would have gotten the invite over undefeated FSU and Washington. Yes FSU fans. I thought you got screwed by the committee. By acting like an Orange Bowl invite was like getting invited to the Red Wedding, your team, your elected officials, and your fans made everyone think the committee did a good job.
You just hit on why I believe the ACC settles out of court with FSU. ESPN does not want the ACC vs FSU to go to court and risk discovery on contracts and communications.
Red wedding or not it's not the championship. We also 6-4 vs sec as a conference so who's better an all that is also a bold faced lie. We did it on the field. Now the ACC is mad we want out. Why stay when a school like Kentucky is going to have 90 mill coming for buying players from the sec and FSU with all the NFL talent and championships and fan base will have like 30 from current acc setup. Players opting out should honestly we should have waited five minutes before the game and forfeited. Jaheim Bell is supposed to risk dropping down the board because he gets injured in a game where he has a third string QB and other opt outs? Or go get his NFL dream? Fat sloppy guys sitting on their couch screaming at their TV who never earned anything on the field of play have the nerve to question his or other players decisions. CFP committee let in TCU and other schools its never been the "best 4" unless you are not a power 5 and obviously playing lesser talent. ACC is better than the SEC this year on the field and a power 5 conference no matter what you think. Pac 12 plays no defense. SEC has the worst non conference record this year...FSU is undefeated. CFP is now curating the Westminster dog show and not a football playoff. Then those same folks have the nerve to talk about being a competitor. Screw the CFP and Screw any clown who doesn't know how this actually works. FSU is iqhga
This makes literally zero sense. It’s insane how this dumb conspiracy has become so popular this month. Why can’t people just accept that FSU didn’t have a QB and were justifiably left out of the playoff as a result? It’s really that simple. There’s no conspiracy. This was the right decision. FSU is a massively popular name brand school. If the networks were picking playoff teams for ratings, then FSU would have been in and Washington would have been the odd man out. Because FSU is a bigger brand. Also, the committee would have put Notre Dame over G5 Cincinnati two years ago. TCU wouldn’t have made it last year. But that didn’t happen because there’s no conspiracy. Committee has been doing an honest job picking the right teams, balancing “best 4” with most deserving and prioritizing head to heads when possible.
Glanced over the trash you wrote. Goofy.
You’re probably right. It sounds pretty likely that ESPN would conspire to fix the playoff team selection to snub one of the most popular and biggest brand name blue bloods who they have a media rights contract with. That makes a lot of sense
It's not NIL it's just the fact that these kids are smartening up and realizing if it isn't a playoff game, it is a pointless gamble where they may get hurt & ruin their NFL prospects. NIL imo, isn't even the main reason CFB is dying infront of us, it's the greedy fucks at ESPN & other networks successfully destroying conferences
Blame the universities. ESPN just provides the money they all chase.
>realizing if it isn't a playoff game, it is a pointless gamble where they may get hurt & ruin their NFL prospects. What about this changes if it is a playoff game?
It's not a giant gamble though
Agree. A bowl trip is an expensive special occasion. Teams sell themselves to bowls partially based on expected attendance. But who’s gonna spend $thousands to go to a bowl game if half or more of their starters will opt out. I don’t see how the bowl system survives this.
At least ticket resale companies lost a shitton of money from the fsu game😎
In that, FSU did us all a service
Go hokies go noles
How would they lose money? Don't they take a cut regardless of the sale price?
Cuz they bought a bunch of tickets at around $100 thinking they would resell for $200+ but they sold for maybe 40$
It’s not the NIL. It’s the money in general that took over collegiate football. The NIL. Is simply the players getting a cut of that money that has corrupted the system. And they should get some of the money. Because it’s them who are doing all the work. That allows this multibillion dollar industry to exist. The problem isn’t the players getting a cut. The problem is a common one in the USA. The problem is $$$ dictates everything, including which teams make the playoffs. As Texas and Alabama were specifically added because in a 3vs4 national title scenario. No game would draw more money than a Texas Alabama rematch.
Yeah after all the opt outs this season I guarantee you moving forward a bunch of NIL money is gonna have some strings attached such that players get more if they play in the bowl game
Honestly we should go back to AP and Coaches polls
As much as I hate them, UGA should get some #1 votes this year.
First, I’m old for Reddit, so my comment is colored by my experience from even pre-BCS days. I’ve said for years that the playoff has ruined the CFB regular season and bowl season. The idea that we needed a playoff is silly—it was propagated by broadcast companies for TV ad revenues. And fans bought right in. One of the great things about CFB has always been its quirkiness, local and unique fan traditions, the value of conference titles, etc. Part of all that is the idea that you can have a split title. No one hears Michigan and Nebraska or Miami and Washington fans lamenting the fact that we have some split national titles. I really wish we could just go back to the pre-BCS days of conference bowl tie-ins and no playoff, no BCS games, etc.
Couldn’t agree more, and I’m a Miami fan; we got screwed by votes over and over. Also don’t mind the split title, because everyone knows we would have beat the shit out of Washington.
All other college sports seem to have no trouble with a playoff system.
I think the solution should be to have the bowl games as the first game of the next season….unless you are in the playoff. With the portal season the exact same time as traditional bowl season, what is happening now will only get worse. It would also add a nice pop to the start of the season. Who wouldn’t like to see Ohio State, USC or Georgia actually open with a real team? It would also reward teams with additional SoS that a 12/13 game team wouldn’t have.
Bowl games are literally commercials. The actual game is secondary.The problem is Bowl games are strategically placed around the holiday season to maximize profit and sponsor exposure.
If nobody is watching it isn’t much of a commercial. I shut the game off 5 minutes into the pre game when they said half the team was out.
Agreed. I only watched 1 bowl game this year so far and it was my alma mater. Otherwise I have had no interest in spending time watching the others. And I love football.
I've watched all 37 bowls that have been played so far. The LOWEST rated bowl games are more watched than UNC-Duke basketball games. Plenty of people watch, and in fact viewership is up this year.
Wouldn't that mean Seniors wouldn't be available for the game if it counts as the following season?
Correct
This wouldn’t solve the issue entirely though. The team that won enough games to be bowl eligible might be entirely different than the team that begins the season next year due to graduation, transfers, NFL draft, etc.
And? The issue is having a fully invested team playing. The teams playing this bowl season are not anywhere close to what they were 3 weeks ago because of the portal window. What’s the difference between the 2? The difference is the regular season team will be more invested in trying to win.
This doesn't make sense. What about the seniors? They don't get a bowl game? What about transfers? If someone transfers from one team to their opponent in that bowl game, do they play? What about a team with a new coach?
I’m not sure what you don’t get? Unless you’re in the playoff there is no post season bowl. The bowl is the first game of the next season. The rub right now is players are picking the portal over bowls. Either change the portal time or change how you do bowls. If you’re a senior….you graduate. Transfers will happen anyway. And why wouldn’t a transfer be eligible to play next season any? That’s just a silly question. Same as a new coach. You coach the games that put in front of you.
Sorry, I should have clarified. I understand what you are saying. It's just a dumb idea. Like, a really bad idea.
And putting a team with half its starters out on the field is better?
Georgia opened with Clemson in 21, Oregon in 22, were supposed to have Oklahoma this year but SEC stopped that and have Clemson in 24. That is pretty strong opening games.
We saw that last night. 2024 FSU got smoked by 2023 Georgia
How is NIL to blame for this? In theory less players should opt out and leave school early in NIL.
Gotta point out that Syracuse did NOT have any large numbers of opt outs, they were just decimated by injury. They had a TE playing QB DURING MULTIPLE REGULAR SEASON GAMES. Idk what game you're thinking of, but Syracuse was just a heavily injured team, not much you can do about that.
I agree, I truly believe die hard fans will start moving on. Especially with G5 teams. They see a player have a good game and think “won’t matter he will be gone next year” or teams like Miss St or those mid level teams that now have to fight to just make a bowl with conference expansion. I believe soon we will see a bigger drop in attendance and viewership.
it's just so crazy how when nobody got paid they all played, and now it's suddenly viewed as extra work. it's funny
Guys have been skipping bowl games for a long time. They’ve also been getting paid for a long time too…
Ikr
This has been worse and it’s due to the portal. Nobody is bitching about first round / second round picks opting out. I read somewhere there will be 400 opt outs. That’s mostly portal stuff.
This is the answer. It's not NIL. It's portal free agency.
That and the stupid timing of how the schedule works out. Using FSU’s backup QB as an example if he played in the bowl game he would have less than a week to decide/visit schools, enroll, and start classes. That or the school allows him to miss several bowl practices to get a head start and still play in the bowl game, which I believe several schools have already done just not with QBs. The only realistic option I’ve found for all of this is move the bowl games to week 0 and play them to kickoff the next season, with an expanded playoff postseason.
I agree. But what does some 19 year old owe after the regular season is over? These are exhibition games played for the financial benefit of others.
They literally aren’t exhibition games they count towards your record
They literally have no impact on conference standings and have literally nothing to do with championships. They are literally exhibition games.
They literally aren’t. The results go towards career and program totals. Please know what a word means before you use it
They literally changed that stats count in 2002. Literally No one actually involved in the meaningless games thinks they’re important. Literally only you do.
NIL has nothing to do with this? Aren't Texas and Washington making their first appearances since the CFB? This year obviously had greater parity than any year since the CFB, and it was due to greater opportunities for kids to go other places and earn money and playing time, rather than sit behind starters at Alabama and OSU.
Agree. Too much money in the sport. Coaches should be volunteers, just like the players. No professional contracts, no corporate sponsors. Keep amateur sports amateur. Alternatively, standardize income by paying players wages. You want to regulate players income? Start by giving the players income.
College football is the minor league NFL. Players get it. Coaches get it, even if they don’t like it. A lot of college football fans don’t want to believe it.
CFB boned FSU. FSU players boned them back. FSU as an organization has to show up bc money for the program no AD is gonna op out of millions of dollars from a bowl game of this level for the school. This was a spring game for FSU. If I was a player I would be mad at the CFB. I would want to play but I understand why nfl level guys said fuck it. They didn’t get respect for going 13-0. Now the tv network gets a shitty product. It’s the only way the players could fight back. CFB also told players at FSU that they can’t win a national championship there. Granted the 12 team playoff this can’t happen. I cheer for the dawgs in the sec. I lived in GA during the dawgs national championships and I like them. Not my fav team tho (go pitt). I was upset they missed the playoffs bc I think they are one of the best teams in college football. But I’m not gonna act like this was a legit game and fsu isn’t good. I think the dawgs beat them full strength but still. This doesn’t take away from 13-0.
You keep saying “CFB” when it’s actually “CFP” and it’s annoying
Well I was talking about the greater college football landscape and not ncaa outside football so I felt CFB was best to use. CFP is a part of it but doesn’t encompass the whole problem.
FSU didn’t bone anybody but their own fans and possibly their own recruiting by pissing this game away. The CFP loved they didn’t show up and got blown out. Casual fans like the commenter above who dont know how many guys they were missing will say “huh, looks like committee got it right”. You said it yourself, georgia fans and players also felt like they were a top 4 team. But their team showed up and fuckin competed. One team has a championship culture, one absolutely does not and that showed this weekend.
As an fsu fan I disagree. I would have been happy if they took a knee every play. Fuck espn, fuck the ACC and fuck the cfp.
I didn’t enjoy the game and the team I wanted to win won by a lot. I didn’t even watch the middle quarters of the game bc it was so bad.
As someone completely neutral, I don't care about either team, Eh I get it that FSU players bounced. Why try anymore in a meaningless game?
you’re 100% correct not sure why you’re being downvoted so much. FSU felt they were a playoff team, you have a chance to go against the defending champs and former #1 seed Georgia and prove a point! But all their players sit or opt out, they didn’t give af ab winning, they just wanted the spotlight to earn NIL deals
Is it “owie?”
Nah it’s peace, ✌🏾
"Yeah, we're off to get absolutely pounded over a barrel in a different conference. "
Did fsu not try? Were they missing some starters? I didn’t see the game Either way, I do feel fsu should have been in the playoffs
they were literally missing every starter except 2 linebackers and 1 db lol. i wanna say they at least somewhat tried but the 2 yard runs up the middle on 3rd and longs suggest otherwise
This isn’t true. They were obviously missing a ton of players but at least be honest about it.
what starters played then. i watched the whole game and the only ones i saw was payton cypress and deloach for 3 quarters. on offense they had like 3 guys ive never heard of before
- On defense - Payton (DE2) - DeLoach (LB1) - Cypress (CB1) - Brown (SS) - On Offense - Morlock (TE2) - Douglas (WR3) - Scott Jr.(hurt all season), Washington (LT and top backup OL) - Roddick (LG) - Smith (C) - Emmanuel (RG) - Byers (RT) - Everyone else playing was backup or 3rd string. We were without QB1, QB2, RB1, RB2, RB3, WR1, WR2, TE1, TE3, DE1, DT1, DT2, DT3, LB2, LB3, CB2, CB3, FS1
"douglas wr3" and "morlock te2" is pretty generous
Not true. They had their entire oline and were missing 5 on defense. The fact is FSU got what they paid for. They put all their eggs in the 2023 basket and when that didn’t work out all their hired guns opted out. I get sure fire first rounders opting out but when you have guys projected to go in the late rounds opting out that’s a program issue. It’s why you don’t build your program on the portal. You build through recruiting and sprinkle in a few portals. Like all the teams currently in the playoffs. FSU will be lucky to win 8 games next year.
They were missing 7 on defense lmfao. This isn’t a program issue, those guys had their hearts ripped out of their chest by forces outside of themselves and had no desire to play a meaningless game. This has nothing to do with the program and you thinking it does proves you didn’t see what this team did in the cheese it bowl against OU last year.
34 of the 44, 2 deep were missing because of opt out or transfer portal.
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no, they didnt try.
Why is everyone acting like UGA didn’t do this last year in the NCG, too? “Not good for the sport,” yet it’s happening in the biggest games
Getting blown out isn’t what people are referring to. It’s the opting out of relatively meaningless games. The narrative is that this confirms that FSU had no business being in the CFP, but this blowout is more complex than that. You lose your starting heisman finalist QB and are consequentially “snubbed”. In response you’re relegating to a meaningless bowl game against a top team that has a fraction of the opt outs that you have.
The FSU QB was not a Heisman finalist…. and UGA was missing a ton of players, as well, due to injuries and transfers. That’s something that people aren’t talking about. Not to mention that the 5th and 6th string walk-ons were putting it to FSU, too.
Georgia was missing a fraction of what FSU was missing…. If you don’t think Travis was up there in the heisman running then we have nothing to discuss. Like I said it’s more complex, morale is a thing and FSU had none after the season ended the way it did. I’m not even a FSU fan, but let’s be serious.
1- Anything can be a fraction. 9/10, 1/10, 10/10. So, that’s not saying anything. But, FSU had 27 out due to injury, transfer, or opt out. UGA had 26. So, yeah. 2- Travis was literally not a Heisman finalist. Do you know what a Heisman finalist is?? 3- it’s really not complex at all. 4- doesn’t matter what team you cheer for. When you’re wrong, you’re wrong. And you, my friend, are wrong.
You’re arguing semantics. Use your brain and understand figures of speech. He was a fringe heisman player, when a person refers to fractions you what that they are trying to get across. It is complex FOR YOU because you think that being left out of the CFP wouldn’t have an affect on team morale/effort. Like I said be serious
Lolololol. Let’s get things straight here. You used the “fraction” argument because you thought that FSU had out like 40 players and UGA only had out like 5. So, when I made the comment about what different fractions are, it was to say technically you were right. But it was more of me making fun of the statement you made because there was a 1-player difference lolololololololol. And, again, let’s get it straight. I’m simply saying that it doesn’t matter what players FSU had. UGA was going to win that game. Not to mention that the best player in college football, who plays for UGA, sat out the game due to injury. :)
Georgia was missing what 2 starters? Also, stop parroting the backups did x in the 2nd half, as 2nd and 3rd teams practice all year as a unit and entered in the 2nd half fresh as a cohesive unit, while FSU was playing with a mix of 3rd stringers and walk ons.
Fellow FSU fans just need to accept this dunk fest. We’re killing the damn conference, of course people are mad. Let them have this one
Killing the conference? Wanting to add the dunk fest?
This conference is a joke from a football standpoint. It’s just two teams Clemson and FSU- the rest are beyond medicore and rarely if ever will sniff the top 10 of college football.
You could play that game 100 times with your players who opted out. All first string and uga’s second string would still give you an ole Georgia mud stomping.
The best part about hypotheticals is how knowable they are!
Whatever you say. If they end up in the sec they will be fluffers.
Didn’t FSU beat LSU convincingly full force at the start of the season and UF with a backup quarterback to close it out?
LSU was just looking ahead to their conference schedule. And last year when we beat them, LSU was breaking in a new coach. There’s always some dumb excuse from them. I don’t know why they are so thin-skinned that they can’t ever just say, “Good game! You are better than us this year.” They are still so hungry for respect that they don’t always deserve.
How would your team do against them? Worse than a 60npointbloss?
They can have their participation trophy...its all the rest of the ACC ever gets each year anyways.
Not true
You're right, we don't actually give you a trophy for participating. And Clemson is the only other team with significant trophies. Since joining FSU has 16/32 ACC championships, they've been ranked in the top 5 more weeks than the rest of the conference combined, they have 3 national championships the rest of the conference has 2 collectively in that time, though that's just a nice way of saying Clemson has two and the rest of you really suck. So go sit down. Your fucking triple option up until last year is part of the damn problem. How a fan base lets that shit go on for so long is beyond me. To call what you guys did participating is a discredit to the teams who at least tried.
Acting like you haven't lost 4 of the last 7 we have played against you with 3 of them with the triple option. If y'all are so much better than why did you not win those especially the ones against the triple option.
Georgia Tech beat FSU without the triple option with Jeff Sims a few years ago. Don't be this wrong if you're also this mad.
Stay mad.
Wasn’t talking about my team. FSU had a good year until yesterday, but I’m not ready to call it a dynasty. Yesterday showed that its second and third string really aren’t that good.
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Lmao, Pitt
63-3
Your champ.
Thanks for representing us so well, champ.
Lord knows you guys can’t represent yourselves well so you rely on others to do so
Awww the little welfare school is acting so bold
Next year 12 teams we won’t see this in the major bowls….
Uncle?
Losers
Man I’m gonna love it when we blow this conference up and a lot of you won’t have any Saturday traditions to share with your kids lol
We can enjoy watching FSU finish in the bottom half of the SEC or B10 every year.
*When FSU finishes in the bottom half of the Big 12 and gets one upped by UCF.
Nobody respects the Big 12. FSU has no intention of going there.
Enjoy it. Your AD will be dead but at least you can watch a legitimate program
Your AD will be dead? Do you know what an AD is? That’s the athletic director. I think you mean your program will be dead. But keep on reinforcing the academic reputation of FSU.
Athletic Department lol. AD. Seeing the former die too wouldn’t bother me either tho
We? Dawg you aren’t doing shit besides posting on Reddit lmfao
I’m sorry. Share pickleball with your kids or something when your schools AD dies LMAO.
I hope FSU gets in the SEC. It’ll be a winnable game for my team - UK. Y’all will be an 8 win team annually.
Florida beat y’all like 30 years in a row lmao. What are you basing this off of? Hope?
The product on the field. If FSU had Kentucky’s schedule this year, they go 9-3 at best.
You said “8 win team annually” lol. Have you ever seen Kentucky win a national title and have a heisman trophy winner? I’ve seen it twice in Tallahassee😂 FSU’s ceiling is what it is and it’s higher than 8 wins annually in any conference. Don’t believe me? Go look at the recruiting rankings over the last 15-20 years, see who you see in the top 5/ 10 more, FSU or UK. After all, we are all fishing from the same nationwide pool of players.
The last word? Lol wut?
I know I shouldn’t be engaging with people like this, people that refuse to acknowledge the big picture BUT I love ACC teams shitting on us as if we didn’t just run the table on this conference and win it with our third string quarterback. If we suck what does that say about the rest of you guys? Edit: It’s been fun stirring the pot with this comment but I really gotta get shit done around the house for tonight so I’m going to have to turn notifications off because I lack the self-control to not engage when you guys comment. Love you all and Happy New Year!
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*our 3rd-stringers*
Lol says the Pitt fan, you guys are literally bottom feeders in the worst conference in the country, you guys were 3-9 in a down year for the ACC.
Yeah I guess that’s true. But we didn’t lose to Georgia by 60 points.
No, you just lost to, Cincy, WVU, UNC, VT, Wake, ND by 51, fucking Syracuse, Duke, and of course us who over tripled your score, definitely something to brag about!
Even Tech didn’t lose to UGAg by 60 points with **Geoff Collins**! 🤣🤣🤣 See you guys in Dublin!
Are you seriously still talking? Don’t make me ask papa Georgia to give you another spanking.
Lol you know you’re team is bad when you have to ask another team to beat us for you, take care dude.
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Do you think a pitt fan accepting what they were is a bit easier than fsu fans having to accept being left out of the CFP at 13-0? What legitimate gripes does a pitt fan have about their season.. And its also rough to single out the fanbase when any fanbase would be up in arms and making a shitstorm about the situation. They acted as any fanbase would Also not sure why fsu is gonna be anybody's punching bag in another conference. Stop talking about fsu like theyre a small shitty program
I have no gripes. I’d be as pissed as you but you have people belittling our conference as you see by the parent comment and I’m confronting them. I don’t think you have a small shitty program. At least small shitty programs get a touchdown in bowl games.
Neither did FSU’s starters
Pitt isn't even the best school academically in Pittsburgh. They need to reflect on that...
Flair up
Lol you get bodied so you hit em with the “flair up” when you weren’t even flaired up until after you commented on this post.
We won the ACC 2 years ago but we're bottom feeders? The entire conference had to completely change to prevent another Wake Pitt conference championship and we're bottom feeders? FSU is so trashy. Y'all need to figure out your lives or something.
Bro you guys were 3-9 this year, epitome of bottom feeders.
You guys have been bottom feeders for 8 years. Who are you?
I mean y’all lost by 3 scores to us this year so you should probably know who we are and figure out how to beat us.
My how quickly some forget where they were in the pecking order a few years ago. Please. Run to the SEC. It will be the last we will much hear from Florida State. And to think I used to like you guys. Thanks for correcting that error.
No one cares who you like.
I'm an FSU alumnus. I didn't realize this sub has flairs. Regardless doesn't change the fact. If I had to go to school in Pittsburgh it would not be at Pitt.
If I had to go to school in Florida it wouldn’t be FSU lol. Guess we should shade our BC buddies for not going to Harvard. What a wild take.
Pitt is the FAU of Pennsylvania.
That’s just nonsense and a clear lack of understanding if you truly think that but go head fam.
When people think of going to college in Penn, eat shit Pitt is not first on many lists
Then lost 63-3 to a team from the conference you dream of joining.
Do people really think we want to join the SEC? I guess people really are that stupid, we are trying to get in to the B1G.
The Big Ten has academic standards. If they wanted a Florida school it would be Florida - not coming - or Miami - not sure they will ever be a football power again. Enjoy the SEC or Big XII.
As if FSU is some bottom feeder academic program?
Yes thank you for understanding.
Ah yes, that way you can also be cold while getting your shit pushed in
Imagine being a fan of a school like VA Tech that has less wins in 3 years than the winning streak FSU was on. VA Tech is the ACC version of Arkansas that no one cares enough about to even mention. Do you seek counseling for your grief knowing the Big12 is your eventual home?🤷♂️
Let me say loud it so all the small schools in the conference can hear it. IT MEANS THE REST OF YOU GUYS FUCKING SUCK.
So what do you say to GA Tech that put up a better fight than the team that played yesterday? FSU is such hot garbage and I’m enjoying all of your loser tears.
Oh yeah we running it back btw
Yall are losing to GT game 1
Facts
I didn’t know Tech fans were retarded. This isn’t 2014 or 1999 anymore.
Tech put up 23 points and only lost by one possession to that team. You guys got butt fucked on national tv and somehow have the gall to try and talk shit. Kindly shut the fuck up.
Lmao Clemson is going to dominate FSU next year. Enjoy your regular season success, try to have amnesia about your orange bowl spitroasting, because your window has slammed shut
I just heard West Virginia scored on another push pass - against Clemson’s starters no less. Go figure🤷♂️
It’s like dating ugly chicks. They have no options, so they can hate FSU but their still answering at 2AM and coming in the back door.
This isn’t the W you think it is.
They’re deeply ashamed of being in the ACC.
So in this analogy, FSU is the ugly fat girl at the bar that gets taken home as a last resort? Lmao great flex my dude.
Nah that’s the other ACC teams bro
That we care about basketball?
Okay if you only care about basketball why did you commenting on a football specific post?
How you doing, buddy? You don't sound like you're doing so well.
Oh I’m fine thanks for asking, if you think I care that much about our scout team losing to Georgia, you’re sorely mistaken, I just find it funny that teams we beat are trying to clown us as if we didn’t already win the conference.
I just mud stomped the dog shit out of my kid at Mario Kart this morning; I even used Bowser and he’s usually my worse character.
I think the majority of ACC sports fans care primarily about basketball. I went to Michigan for graduate school too though—my only regret is we aren’t playing you tomorrow. It’s the next best thing to a by week.
Maybe if we had just cheated like you guys we’d be in the playoffs. Also serious question, if you’re not a fan of an ACC school why the hell are you here, I never understood people that do that?
We just think you’re a bunch of cry babies about the whole thing is all
We as a conference may suck, but no one, I mean no one in our conference has ever been brutally emasculated to the point of an historical record setting embarrassment on the national stage quite like FSU. Regards your ACC brethren.
How about if your team fields less than 90% of its players in a bowl game, you are banned from next year’s bowl and have to give up 50% of your conference money?
Fix the fact that ESPN decides who should be in the playoffs before you start punishing players.
Seems weird to punish a program/next year's players for this year's players' decisions.
BIG members , I hope you enjoy this disaster heading your way. It’s gonna be comical witnessing FSU consistently aggravate the pretentious blue bloods of Michigan, USC, Ohio St, and Washington. May be the first time in history we witness a forced conference contraction.
My concern is the playoff is simply a concession to the Bowls. The playoffs will be held in bowl venues. Fans won't be able to afford all the trips to watch their teams play in remote locations. I believe critical path looks like this... Conference Championship Playoff Game 1 : former Bowl Game Playoff Game 2 : Former Bowl Game National Championship You will end up with a very diluted attendance. Even teams from Florida or Georgia where you are in driving distance to three of the venues would be taxing.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
Such a pathetic conference with pathetic fan bases, you don’t deserve relevancy and you won’t have it
FSU showed why they shouldn't have been in the playoffs.
The coach isn't good at his job! He knew his players weren't playing and couldn't coach up the guys that were going to play the game to be more competitive?!? UT- Martin and Ball St. kept the score closer.