Iām no Football historian however how is Caleb Williams acting different from Deon Sanders? It could be easily said that Prime would be saying and doing many of the same thing Calebās doing.
With that said Iām not as big on Caleb as I was. But if heās generational talent, and it translates to the NFL then by golly Iām 100
I think not sticking with Kyler would be a mistake. And putting all your eggs in this Caleb Williams basket would be an even bigger one.
OL, DL, CB, and more weapons for Kyler is what I hope to see through Draft / Trades / Free agency
The article states:
"The Cardinals have been an organizational mess for years, dating back to the disastrous season that landed them Kyler Murray in the first place"
I take issue with this. It's been a mess much, much longer.
I agree, I want nothing to do with him. Kyler is the guy IMO and will have everyone on that page once he's back. It's one of the reasons I want him back sooner rather than later. Longer he's out, the more we have to listen to the nonsense.
Caleb has regressed. Kyler looked better his last season in college than Caleb has this year.
Coincidence that this happens as soon as Kliff joins the USC staff???
It's not as bad of a regression but reminds me of Matt Barkley. Get all the hype going into the year and then you take a step back and don't have the personality to recover. I do think Kliff is part of the reason he isn't bouncing back too though. A good qb coach might be able to get a guy righted and back on track. I can't imagine Kliff inspiring any confidence at this point.
If we end up with the first pick we either MUST take him or we better get a really insane package for him because yeah he could be a bust but there is so much potential.
I doubt he'll even still be the best QB by the time the draft comes. Let alone the best player for us.
Luckily we aren't likely to get the first pick, so it won't be an issue.
Dude is a flaming red flag and is a drama queen and isnāt even in the NFL yet lol. I get heās āgenerationalā talent but whoās to say he doesnāt show up to the NFL and be a bust? Then all this INSANE shit demanding ownership of a team and potentially skipping the draft to avoid a team he doesnāt want to be apart of? Like anyone who plays football should be HONORED to be drafted by an NFL team, let alone the FIRST overall. Iād rather stick with Kyler 100x over this bum and build a solid roster.
This dude is already making people hate him and heās not even in the league, insanity.
I've been on here since preseason hating Williams. I've never thought he was going #1. Drama side, he isn't the most talented QB. He's just not. He's got bust written all over him. It's almost like he knows he's going to be a bust, which is why he's trying to get all this up front money.
What makes him any more of a "generational talent" than Kyler is anyway? I haven't seen him do anything that Kyler hasn't already done with a better attitude.
And people give Kyler shit for being passionate on the field. Caleb seems like a pure modern day California prima donna. I havnt wanted him since the narrative around him started. This dude isnt worth the hype.
Todd Marinovich was touted as RoboQB and a can't miss NFL QB. Ryan Leaf, another bust. Matt Leinart, Josh Rosen.
Also the Cards already have a #1 draft pick QB and look at how that's turned out. Do they want to give up on that for this already?
MHJ could be a better pick.
No but Mariunovich was. So was Leaf. Leinart and Rosen were just two 1st round busts for the Cards both #10 picks if I remember right. Marinovich and Leaf were 'can't miss' guys that never got to the Cards thankfully. I remember seeing Leaf in a game against ASU, where ASU manhandled him in Tempe, it was either his last year or his junior year. he did not impress me. Caleb Williams, I get the impression he is at least 70% hype and overrated.
I don't know if Murray is ever going to play as well as he played at his best, I hope he does but as a fan and not involved in his rehab and progress I have no idea about that other than "hopes" - but I don't think Williams is the answer if Murray is not going to return to his best form.
TL:DR Four (or three if you don't want to include Kelly Stouffer who the Cards had rights to in January 1988 when they announced they were moving here from St. Louis. But i want to include him.)
1987 1st Round 6th pick - Kelly Stouffer - (this was actually their last season in St, Louis, they officially announced the relocation to Arizona in January 1988 but they held his rights until April of 1988 so I counted him as one of the 1st round picks - the management responsible for drafting him was the same management for the 1988 draft). He sat out what would have been his rookie year due to an inability to agree on a contract. Rights were traded to Seattle, where he wound up a 3rd string QB with occasional appearances in 1988-1991. 'Won' the starting job there in 1992, ahead of Dan McGwire and (in 1991 season a guy who played some at QB for the Cardinals) Stan Gelbaugh. Released in 1993, signed as a free agent by the Dolphins in April 1994 but released before the season. 2 years later the Panthers signed him in MArch 96 but released him prior to the season. 7 TDs 19 INTs 2333 yards passing in the NFL career. Passer rating 54.5
2006 - 1st Round 10th pick Matt Leinart - Cards 2006-2009, Texans 2010-2011, Raiders 2012, Bills 2013 (practice squad only) 15 TD 21 INTs passer rating 70.2 NFL career.
2018 - 1st Round 10th pick - Josh Rosen - 2018 Cards, 2019 Dolphins, 2020 Bucs (practice squad) 2020 49ers, 2021 Falcons, 2022 Browns (practice squad) , Vikings (practice squad) . Currently a free agent and presumably...AVAILABLE! Didn;t see anything indicating he's retired. He might be one phone call away from on a roster!
12 TDS 21 INTs 2864 total yards passing Passer rating 61.1
2019 - 1st Round 1st Pick - Kyler Murray - our current QB who got injured last year and could come back into action this year.
2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - with Cardinals So far - 84 TDs, 51 INTS.
Career passer rating = 92.5
Some want to dump him for that Caleb Williams guy, They may be convinced Murray is finished, but I need to see more to be led to that conclusion. What little I have seen of Williams in college games, I am not impressed and if Murray can come back 100% I'd stick with him next year and hope the team can draft MHJ.
I think that saying Marinovich was a generational talent is revisionist history.
He came out of a HORRIBLE QB draft class (outside of Brett Favre, who was an afterthought during the draft) and wasnt even the first QB taken...(Dan McGwire)
He had notority yes... but he was far from even guaranteed NFL starter material, much less a generational talent...
Because quite frankly... he wasnt a dominant player in college. He was merley good.
Generationally viewed QBs dont slip to 24th in the draft. There were clearly question marks throughout the league about him.
Now... before the Aaron Rodgers screams come, please understand that i said generationally viewed QBs...
Andrew Luck was viewed as generational..
Trevor Lawrence was viewed as generstional..
Guys like that dont slip to 24th
Caleb will be coming into the league with a target on his back in addition to his ego. Kyler has already gone through his growing pains and had to deal with Kliff and Keim. Kyler seems to respect the new crew. Now it's just about football and Kyler can play football. We've all seen it.
The thing is though we haven't seen post injury Kyler. Pre-injury Kyler was amazing but made a decent amount of mistakes due to an inept HC. I would like to see how Kyler plays this season before risking it with a trade him or not trade situation
people keep bringing up the injury that 95% of athletes fully recover from nowadays.. not sure what i'm missing here or why kylers injury is worse than everyone elses. will he not be at 100% this year? probably, but he'll likely be back to his baseline by the start of next season.
You can recover from an ACL injury but you aren't the same person after the injury it's a mental aspect of it. He will second guess his decisions to not get hurt again. He's not going to be as explosive as he once was, I mean look at RG3 or Teddy Bridgewater, they weren't the same player after their injuries. I would like to see Kyler succeed with this new FO but depending on his play will guarantee if he's on this team or not next year.
āThis bumā. Why do yall do that? Hes clearly miles ahead of you when it comes to talent on the football field. Youāre talking about him, we arent talking about you, so hes clearly doing something right. The fact that you hate him and you know absolutely nothing about him except that he plays football shows a lot about you.
I think heās talking about his personality and how he would fit into the culture that they are trying to build here in az. He clearly is letting fame get to his head and he has not performed against ranked schools. Athletic talent isnāt the only factor to someoneās quality as a human and I would prefer to not deal with more drama by bringing him in
Thats fair, but like, whats to gain from calling someone a bum? Strange tactic to make a person above them feel like they are on their level. Just weird.
Holy shit dude, calm down. Bum is a very common term people use to describe bad players. You're getting defensive for another man and freaking out and doing psych evals. The only person being weird here is you
āBum is a very common termā explains my whole point. Average 9-5 Joes calling professional athletes bad players? For what? Im not defending anybody, Im calling out this random 9-5 average joe for hating a man hes never met. Please stfu ššæ
Bro you are doing tricks on it for Caleb rn šCalm down man Caleb is literally just an unlikeable guy and youāre defending the hell out of him like heās gonna take you out to a nice dinner for defending his honor lol just give it a rest
He literally called Caleb Williams a bum which at this point Iām inclined to agree with and it seems like seeing someone come after your little pookie bear set you off enough to be vigorously defending him in like 3 different threads lol go outside for a little.
Im not freaking out. Youre mad at me for telling him not to call someone a bum, but not mad at the guy writing a paragraph about said ābumā. Very backwards. Im just typing, nobody is mad, except maybe you?
Iām not freaking out. Like you said, itās a conversation. Hes mad at a player heās never met and probably wonāt ever meet and probably wont play for his favorite teamā¦. but Im freaking out? Like I said, backwards.
Haha itās Reddit man š¤·š»āāļø
To be fair I donāt think that just cause this kid made a little money that makes him above another person. Money does not make you better than someone else.
Oh, I got the sense he meant more as a person since he is asking for ownership and trying to dictate what team his goes to and all that stuff. Just gives off a bad impression and I donāt think JG and Monti will want anything to do with that since they preach culture
I am all aboard the MHJ train personally, but wouldnāt mind trading back. It all depends how the draft board looks by that point, and what our most glaring needs are.
MHJ is pretty hard to pass up. If they don't end up in a position to get him (say they end up at #3 and he goes #2), I'd trade back and then back up to get Olt sorta like they did this year. Solidifying the line is a quiet move but it makes such a big difference.
If the pick is high enough we could trade back with someone like the Broncos and still end up with MHJ. But we probably won't have #1. Kyler's coming back and the Bears, Panthers, Broncos are who they are.
Itās gotta be MHJ, I wouldnāt even be surprised if we see him mocked 1.01 close to the draft depending on whoās picking and if Caleb still has these outlandish demands
Arizona has enough problems with the prima Donna already in their team š. Caleb Williams is ALL you need !!
May we please stop with any and all Caleb Williams talk? We have a QB. He wears #1 and goes by the name Kyler Murray.
Caleb Williams is not a "generational talent". There's a lot of footage of him taking way too much time to make a play or throw a pass. That's it.
We can stop talking about this guy. We have our QB. Please move on
Iām no Football historian however how is Caleb Williams acting different from Deon Sanders? It could be easily said that Prime would be saying and doing many of the same thing Calebās doing. With that said Iām not as big on Caleb as I was. But if heās generational talent, and it translates to the NFL then by golly Iām 100
Corners being cocky is alot more common than a qb
> But if heās generational talent He's not.
This dudes not doing himself any favors.
3 firsts for 1st pick. We need the panthers to lose a couple
I think not sticking with Kyler would be a mistake. And putting all your eggs in this Caleb Williams basket would be an even bigger one. OL, DL, CB, and more weapons for Kyler is what I hope to see through Draft / Trades / Free agency
Yes I agree
Go to hell.
Do I want the Cardinals to draft him, hell no. Do I want all other teams in the NFL to think the Cardinals want to draft him, hell yes.
This concept is so difficult for fans to understand. Itās so refreshing to read this. š
The article states: "The Cardinals have been an organizational mess for years, dating back to the disastrous season that landed them Kyler Murray in the first place" I take issue with this. It's been a mess much, much longer.
Could not agree more
True but there was a period of success there during the BA era
No new QB for Cards for at lest next two years. Letās build the team right and then reevaluate QB situation.
Not a huge believer in Kyler but Caleb Williams seems so overrated and his attitude is terrible. Iād rather stick with Kyler than draft him
I agree, I want nothing to do with him. Kyler is the guy IMO and will have everyone on that page once he's back. It's one of the reasons I want him back sooner rather than later. Longer he's out, the more we have to listen to the nonsense.
Caleb has regressed. Kyler looked better his last season in college than Caleb has this year. Coincidence that this happens as soon as Kliff joins the USC staff???
It's not as bad of a regression but reminds me of Matt Barkley. Get all the hype going into the year and then you take a step back and don't have the personality to recover. I do think Kliff is part of the reason he isn't bouncing back too though. A good qb coach might be able to get a guy righted and back on track. I can't imagine Kliff inspiring any confidence at this point.
Bruh, Barkley slid in the draft quite a bit more than anything you are going to see with Caleb.
Dude, I literally said that in my first sentence that Barkley had a worse regression.
But what if he falls to #10? Can't pass up a generational USC qb at #10.
Now this guy Cardinals (ironically a Chiefs fan)
Lolo
If we end up with the first pick we either MUST take him or we better get a really insane package for him because yeah he could be a bust but there is so much potential.
Didn't I see this post in 2016 about Nkemdiche?
I doubt he'll even still be the best QB by the time the draft comes. Let alone the best player for us. Luckily we aren't likely to get the first pick, so it won't be an issue.
Dude is a flaming red flag and is a drama queen and isnāt even in the NFL yet lol. I get heās āgenerationalā talent but whoās to say he doesnāt show up to the NFL and be a bust? Then all this INSANE shit demanding ownership of a team and potentially skipping the draft to avoid a team he doesnāt want to be apart of? Like anyone who plays football should be HONORED to be drafted by an NFL team, let alone the FIRST overall. Iād rather stick with Kyler 100x over this bum and build a solid roster. This dude is already making people hate him and heās not even in the league, insanity.
I've been on here since preseason hating Williams. I've never thought he was going #1. Drama side, he isn't the most talented QB. He's just not. He's got bust written all over him. It's almost like he knows he's going to be a bust, which is why he's trying to get all this up front money.
It's hurting the league
What makes him any more of a "generational talent" than Kyler is anyway? I haven't seen him do anything that Kyler hasn't already done with a better attitude.
It's interesting that there seems to be a new "generational" player every year. Man the generations are just flying by.
And people give Kyler shit for being passionate on the field. Caleb seems like a pure modern day California prima donna. I havnt wanted him since the narrative around him started. This dude isnt worth the hype.
Todd Marinovich was touted as RoboQB and a can't miss NFL QB. Ryan Leaf, another bust. Matt Leinart, Josh Rosen. Also the Cards already have a #1 draft pick QB and look at how that's turned out. Do they want to give up on that for this already? MHJ could be a better pick.
Josh Rosen was definitely not a canāt-miss guy.
No but Mariunovich was. So was Leaf. Leinart and Rosen were just two 1st round busts for the Cards both #10 picks if I remember right. Marinovich and Leaf were 'can't miss' guys that never got to the Cards thankfully. I remember seeing Leaf in a game against ASU, where ASU manhandled him in Tempe, it was either his last year or his junior year. he did not impress me. Caleb Williams, I get the impression he is at least 70% hype and overrated. I don't know if Murray is ever going to play as well as he played at his best, I hope he does but as a fan and not involved in his rehab and progress I have no idea about that other than "hopes" - but I don't think Williams is the answer if Murray is not going to return to his best form.
How many first round QBs has Arizona taken ? I'm a Seattle fan and we've missed on a few ourselves . Namely Rick Mirer
TL:DR Four (or three if you don't want to include Kelly Stouffer who the Cards had rights to in January 1988 when they announced they were moving here from St. Louis. But i want to include him.) 1987 1st Round 6th pick - Kelly Stouffer - (this was actually their last season in St, Louis, they officially announced the relocation to Arizona in January 1988 but they held his rights until April of 1988 so I counted him as one of the 1st round picks - the management responsible for drafting him was the same management for the 1988 draft). He sat out what would have been his rookie year due to an inability to agree on a contract. Rights were traded to Seattle, where he wound up a 3rd string QB with occasional appearances in 1988-1991. 'Won' the starting job there in 1992, ahead of Dan McGwire and (in 1991 season a guy who played some at QB for the Cardinals) Stan Gelbaugh. Released in 1993, signed as a free agent by the Dolphins in April 1994 but released before the season. 2 years later the Panthers signed him in MArch 96 but released him prior to the season. 7 TDs 19 INTs 2333 yards passing in the NFL career. Passer rating 54.5 2006 - 1st Round 10th pick Matt Leinart - Cards 2006-2009, Texans 2010-2011, Raiders 2012, Bills 2013 (practice squad only) 15 TD 21 INTs passer rating 70.2 NFL career. 2018 - 1st Round 10th pick - Josh Rosen - 2018 Cards, 2019 Dolphins, 2020 Bucs (practice squad) 2020 49ers, 2021 Falcons, 2022 Browns (practice squad) , Vikings (practice squad) . Currently a free agent and presumably...AVAILABLE! Didn;t see anything indicating he's retired. He might be one phone call away from on a roster! 12 TDS 21 INTs 2864 total yards passing Passer rating 61.1 2019 - 1st Round 1st Pick - Kyler Murray - our current QB who got injured last year and could come back into action this year. 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - with Cardinals So far - 84 TDs, 51 INTS. Career passer rating = 92.5 Some want to dump him for that Caleb Williams guy, They may be convinced Murray is finished, but I need to see more to be led to that conclusion. What little I have seen of Williams in college games, I am not impressed and if Murray can come back 100% I'd stick with him next year and hope the team can draft MHJ.
Leaf and Peyton Manning were a near coin flip. With Ryan being the better athlete.
I think that saying Marinovich was a generational talent is revisionist history. He came out of a HORRIBLE QB draft class (outside of Brett Favre, who was an afterthought during the draft) and wasnt even the first QB taken...(Dan McGwire) He had notority yes... but he was far from even guaranteed NFL starter material, much less a generational talent... Because quite frankly... he wasnt a dominant player in college. He was merley good. Generationally viewed QBs dont slip to 24th in the draft. There were clearly question marks throughout the league about him. Now... before the Aaron Rodgers screams come, please understand that i said generationally viewed QBs... Andrew Luck was viewed as generational.. Trevor Lawrence was viewed as generstional.. Guys like that dont slip to 24th
Seattle fan here. Coaching staff wanted the guy from Mississippi (Favre) but the owner insisted they take McGuire. Damn
Well... that was all because Kelly Stouffer didnt work out :)
Neither did Mirer but Seattle was able to flip him to Chicago for a couple of picks that turned out to be Shawn Springs .
Caleb will be coming into the league with a target on his back in addition to his ego. Kyler has already gone through his growing pains and had to deal with Kliff and Keim. Kyler seems to respect the new crew. Now it's just about football and Kyler can play football. We've all seen it.
The thing is though we haven't seen post injury Kyler. Pre-injury Kyler was amazing but made a decent amount of mistakes due to an inept HC. I would like to see how Kyler plays this season before risking it with a trade him or not trade situation
people keep bringing up the injury that 95% of athletes fully recover from nowadays.. not sure what i'm missing here or why kylers injury is worse than everyone elses. will he not be at 100% this year? probably, but he'll likely be back to his baseline by the start of next season.
You can recover from an ACL injury but you aren't the same person after the injury it's a mental aspect of it. He will second guess his decisions to not get hurt again. He's not going to be as explosive as he once was, I mean look at RG3 or Teddy Bridgewater, they weren't the same player after their injuries. I would like to see Kyler succeed with this new FO but depending on his play will guarantee if he's on this team or not next year.
If he plays poorly they won't have to worry about whether they want to trade him or not.
āThis bumā. Why do yall do that? Hes clearly miles ahead of you when it comes to talent on the football field. Youāre talking about him, we arent talking about you, so hes clearly doing something right. The fact that you hate him and you know absolutely nothing about him except that he plays football shows a lot about you.
I think heās talking about his personality and how he would fit into the culture that they are trying to build here in az. He clearly is letting fame get to his head and he has not performed against ranked schools. Athletic talent isnāt the only factor to someoneās quality as a human and I would prefer to not deal with more drama by bringing him in
Thats fair, but like, whats to gain from calling someone a bum? Strange tactic to make a person above them feel like they are on their level. Just weird.
Holy shit dude, calm down. Bum is a very common term people use to describe bad players. You're getting defensive for another man and freaking out and doing psych evals. The only person being weird here is you
āBum is a very common termā explains my whole point. Average 9-5 Joes calling professional athletes bad players? For what? Im not defending anybody, Im calling out this random 9-5 average joe for hating a man hes never met. Please stfu ššæ
Bro heās not going to read this and heās not gon let you fuck, calm your tits
Found another idiot with lack of comprehension
Bro you are doing tricks on it for Caleb rn šCalm down man Caleb is literally just an unlikeable guy and youāre defending the hell out of him like heās gonna take you out to a nice dinner for defending his honor lol just give it a rest
Im not even defending Caleb, just addressing a dumb statement made in the reddit. Use your comprehension skils š„“
He literally called Caleb Williams a bum which at this point Iām inclined to agree with and it seems like seeing someone come after your little pookie bear set you off enough to be vigorously defending him in like 3 different threads lol go outside for a little.
Ill say it slower this time, maybe itāll help you. Comā¦ preā¦ henā¦ sion.
Stop freaking out and hyper-analyzing a word my dude. Put down the phone
Im not freaking out. Youre mad at me for telling him not to call someone a bum, but not mad at the guy writing a paragraph about said ābumā. Very backwards. Im just typing, nobody is mad, except maybe you?
A sports criticism deserves conversation. You're freaking out over a single word. Put. The. Phone. Down
Iām not freaking out. Like you said, itās a conversation. Hes mad at a player heās never met and probably wonāt ever meet and probably wont play for his favorite teamā¦. but Im freaking out? Like I said, backwards.
Haha itās Reddit man š¤·š»āāļø To be fair I donāt think that just cause this kid made a little money that makes him above another person. Money does not make you better than someone else.
Above them in a football sense, because Im assumed he meant a bum football player.
Oh, I got the sense he meant more as a person since he is asking for ownership and trying to dictate what team his goes to and all that stuff. Just gives off a bad impression and I donāt think JG and Monti will want anything to do with that since they preach culture
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I am all aboard the MHJ train personally, but wouldnāt mind trading back. It all depends how the draft board looks by that point, and what our most glaring needs are.
MHJ is pretty hard to pass up. If they don't end up in a position to get him (say they end up at #3 and he goes #2), I'd trade back and then back up to get Olt sorta like they did this year. Solidifying the line is a quiet move but it makes such a big difference.
If the pick is high enough we could trade back with someone like the Broncos and still end up with MHJ. But we probably won't have #1. Kyler's coming back and the Bears, Panthers, Broncos are who they are.
Itās gotta be MHJ, I wouldnāt even be surprised if we see him mocked 1.01 close to the draft depending on whoās picking and if Caleb still has these outlandish demands
It is known.
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