The bears are either going to draft a QB or trade the pick to someone that wants to draft a QB so that’s a moot point. Washington and NE would be insane not to draft a QB. The only way i see MHJ going sooner is if it’s NE or Washington trading up to pick and then the Bears draft him.
It honestly wouldn’t make sense for the patriots to draft Mhj. They would legit waste away a talent like that. It would be 3-4 years before they actually start playing well before they make a difference and can use a player like him. Patriots biggest need is QB. I think the only way they would probably get him is if they sign a QB in FA. Otherwise if they don’t then they are most likely getting Jayden Daniel’s. If they do happen to get mhj then it would still be great for us because every single team that need QBs would be calling the cardinals for a haul of picks to trade up for Daniels. Next years draft will be shit compared to this draft for QBs
You sir as a Bears fan. You don’t know the poverty franchise we are. The Bears are certainly a high risk of drafting him and keep Fields.. don’t be so sure of yourself. We fired the entire coaching staff but the guy who hired the staff.
Again. You say under perform. They performed as expected. The presser even the GM identified he felt the team is on track at 80% of the way there. I don’t think they fired the staff to get rid of Fields. I’m telling you. The entire season we had weird choices. Don’t rule it out. The GM has far more time than the coach I promise you that
There's no guarantee they take a QB. For all we know they could just trade down a few spots and still draft MHJ over us. We just have to wait and see what they do. There's no reason to gatekeep the discussion like you're trying to do.
It’s not gatekeeping. It’s providing common sense for people (myself included) to stop talking ourselves in circles. Bears are taking Caleb if he declares
If bears don’t take a QB they will trade down and acquire picks. They would be historically dumb to stick and pick a WR at 1 in a draft class full of high QB prospects
People really be out her scheming and stressing about decisions that they have no power to make 😂😂
I get it’s fun to speculate - not knocking folks for doing it. But also there’s a point where it becomes excessive 😂
I disagree, I don’t think the bears draft a QB, here’s my reasoning:
The bears hired Ryan Poles as GM in 2021, and he said he wanted to stop the cycle the bears have been in since like 2016. The cycle is have a head coach on the hot seat, draft a rookie QB, fire HC after disappointing season, QB now has a new HC, tensions rise, coach is on hot seat but blames the QB, bears draft rookie QB, coach gets fired after 1 season, etc.
It started in 2017 with Mitch Trubiskey and HC John Fox. After 1 season together John Fox was fired, and in comes Matt Nagy. They play 3 seasons together, and draft Justin Fields. After 1 season together, Nagy is fired, and Eberflus is brought in. Justin Fields and Eberflus have played 2 seasons together, and many bears fans and insiders thought they’d fire Eberflus.
But, the bears committed to Eberflus. So do they continue the cycle, draft a QB, fire Eberflus after next season, pair a second year QB with his second HC, only to move on from QB in 2 years?
My bet is no. Ryan Poles, the current GM of the Bears, has said he values continuity, which is something the Bears haven’t had in a long time. Even back with Jay Cutler, he played under a new HC after his 3rd year.
So ultimately, if I were a betting man, the bears try to trade down to 2 or 3, and select MHJ. If they aren’t able to trade down, they just select MHJ at 1.
This is a good analysis. What would stop a GM with this mentality from drafting a QB with 1 and keeping Fields. If they’re really trying to break the cycle this would give them the best opportunity.
The only thing is, the only way to have broken it is 1) fire HC and bring in a new HC and draft a QB in the same offseason, or 2) keep HC and current QB and get rid of both at the same time. I don’t know if the bears GM is willing to continue the cycle that got the last GM fired
There is no way they are taking a wr with the first pick. WR’s are just not as valued as other positions. It would be like taking RB with the first pick.
Megatron and Fitz were not taken with the 1st and they were generational recievers.
Most of the consensus in Chicago now that emotions have calmed with Eberflus staying put is that they are more than likely drafting a qb. Their line of thought is new offensive staff should have a clean slate and if the top qb in draft is more talented than fields they go with the rookie qb. It also helps reset their cap which allows them to improve their team faster as well as opposed to extending fields with a massive contract.
Go visit the bears Reddit they are already showing this train of thought.
Problem is...
You don't build a team with a WR.
EVER
And this would be the 2nd consecutive year the Bears would have passed on a Franchise QB.
I don't think there is a chance in Hell that the Bears draft MHJ at #1 overall.
The only way I see it happening is if the bears are really sold on Fields, no team is willing to trade for #1 and attach a good receiver (like Carolina attaching DJ Moore last year), or if WAS or NE won’t trade up. If they can’t get a good/great WR, I could see the bears doing what they can to pair MHJ with Moore and Fields to give Fields the best chance at success
We need to stop fretting another team taking Marvin.
If he's taken top 3? Great. A team will give us 3 1sts for jayden Daniels or drake maye.
It's not a calamity to miss on him. *
* - yes I want mhj with the 4th pick
lol
Just disregard the talent of these QBs. Not all years/qbs are created equal.
Also, all the teams that would want him are jumping from 8 to 13. If you don't think that the raiders would have to give 3 1sts, then you're crazy.
Everyone thinks its like only the Giants at 5 or something.
They aren’t doing it for 3 first round draft picks!!!!
We didn’t get 3 for the 3rd overall last year but you think we get 3 for the 4th this year.
I love psychopath delusional fans
We got 2 firsts for ours... And the qbs were off the board. That's why.
4 teams picking behind us will be eyeballing jayden. Very fucking different scenario.
It's amazing to me that you can't see that picks are worth different amounts every year based on... Wait for it... The talent available.
You would probably be homeless. Every year the draft is different. Right now the QB class is much stronger than it was years prior. Every QB needy team will do whatever they can to try and get what they need. Anthony Richardson was drafted 4th overall last year. Jayden Daniel’s is a much better prospect than he ever was in college. He is a heisman winner and has had a better career than Richardson. Any team outside the top 5 will trade a haul to try and get a QB they need. We have seen it from years prior what teams are willing to give just to trade up and get there guys. QBs are the most important positions in the NFL and teams know that next years draft will be shit in terms of the QBs compared to this one.
Good god it just doesn’t stop. So you are saying this is the deepest qb draft in history ? Name any other draft in nfl history where some team gave up 3 FIRST ROUND picks for the 4 pick overall????
Jesus. h. Christ.
🤦 OMG, you really are ignorant lol. I Never said it was the deepest QB draft in history. Plus I never said it would take 3 first round draft picks to trade up to 4. You obviously don’t get how some people can exaggerate sometimes and not actually being literal about it. You need to stop taking things so literal all the time.
Sometimes I don't know what's worse, talking politics or this sub talking draft picks. People get so bent out of shape over the smallest things.
In the end we're all just a bunch of shitheads talking in a forum so I think Monty is relatively free from our influence.
Agree, while I'd love him, we can still get Nabers or Odunze, who some think will be as good or even a little better than MHJ as a pro.
You never know until these guys start playing. For all we know MHJ could be Julio, but Odunze could be AJ Green as well.
I feel like that’s getting thrown around too much. Yes, Jayden is rising… but similar to Richardson last year.
Quick look back over the past 7-ish drafts (including this one). Only probably goes as QB1 in 2020. Terrible QB class with Pickett the first taken at 20.
Otherwise… prospect wise he’s not beating out guys like Williams, Lawrence, Burrow. Only maybes are last year & 2019 but Kyler still probably goes ahead of him & hindsight is 20/20 but Young & CJ were still better prospects coming out.
Dont get me wrong, I’d love for some team to get enamored with him to that extreme level but it’s January… lots of end of year fan hype.
Maybe.
Im super high on jayden, and not super high on maye. So, my opinion will be colored by that. I feel like jayden likely is the best qb in the draft immediately with his dual threat menace.
Is Mini Ditka available?
The bears are either going to draft a QB or trade the pick to someone that wants to draft a QB so that’s a moot point. Washington and NE would be insane not to draft a QB. The only way i see MHJ going sooner is if it’s NE or Washington trading up to pick and then the Bears draft him.
I love it when people tell me what to do on Reddit, lol
It honestly wouldn’t make sense for the patriots to draft Mhj. They would legit waste away a talent like that. It would be 3-4 years before they actually start playing well before they make a difference and can use a player like him. Patriots biggest need is QB. I think the only way they would probably get him is if they sign a QB in FA. Otherwise if they don’t then they are most likely getting Jayden Daniel’s. If they do happen to get mhj then it would still be great for us because every single team that need QBs would be calling the cardinals for a haul of picks to trade up for Daniels. Next years draft will be shit compared to this draft for QBs
THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE
You sir as a Bears fan. You don’t know the poverty franchise we are. The Bears are certainly a high risk of drafting him and keep Fields.. don’t be so sure of yourself. We fired the entire coaching staff but the guy who hired the staff.
And if they underperform this year gm and coach are gone. Nobody with half a brain is putting their career in the hands of Justin fields
Again. You say under perform. They performed as expected. The presser even the GM identified he felt the team is on track at 80% of the way there. I don’t think they fired the staff to get rid of Fields. I’m telling you. The entire season we had weird choices. Don’t rule it out. The GM has far more time than the coach I promise you that
I'm gonna talk about the bears even harder. Also the bears are a shit organization like ours, who knows what they'll do
There's no guarantee they take a QB. For all we know they could just trade down a few spots and still draft MHJ over us. We just have to wait and see what they do. There's no reason to gatekeep the discussion like you're trying to do.
It’s not gatekeeping. It’s providing common sense for people (myself included) to stop talking ourselves in circles. Bears are taking Caleb if he declares
If bears don’t take a QB they will trade down and acquire picks. They would be historically dumb to stick and pick a WR at 1 in a draft class full of high QB prospects
> Guaranteed to take Caleb Yeah this dude don't know ball 💀
People really be out her scheming and stressing about decisions that they have no power to make 😂😂 I get it’s fun to speculate - not knocking folks for doing it. But also there’s a point where it becomes excessive 😂
I agree with the first sentence. ………I didn’t read the rest
Proceeds to talk about the bears
I disagree, I don’t think the bears draft a QB, here’s my reasoning: The bears hired Ryan Poles as GM in 2021, and he said he wanted to stop the cycle the bears have been in since like 2016. The cycle is have a head coach on the hot seat, draft a rookie QB, fire HC after disappointing season, QB now has a new HC, tensions rise, coach is on hot seat but blames the QB, bears draft rookie QB, coach gets fired after 1 season, etc. It started in 2017 with Mitch Trubiskey and HC John Fox. After 1 season together John Fox was fired, and in comes Matt Nagy. They play 3 seasons together, and draft Justin Fields. After 1 season together, Nagy is fired, and Eberflus is brought in. Justin Fields and Eberflus have played 2 seasons together, and many bears fans and insiders thought they’d fire Eberflus. But, the bears committed to Eberflus. So do they continue the cycle, draft a QB, fire Eberflus after next season, pair a second year QB with his second HC, only to move on from QB in 2 years? My bet is no. Ryan Poles, the current GM of the Bears, has said he values continuity, which is something the Bears haven’t had in a long time. Even back with Jay Cutler, he played under a new HC after his 3rd year. So ultimately, if I were a betting man, the bears try to trade down to 2 or 3, and select MHJ. If they aren’t able to trade down, they just select MHJ at 1.
This is a good analysis. What would stop a GM with this mentality from drafting a QB with 1 and keeping Fields. If they’re really trying to break the cycle this would give them the best opportunity.
The only thing is, the only way to have broken it is 1) fire HC and bring in a new HC and draft a QB in the same offseason, or 2) keep HC and current QB and get rid of both at the same time. I don’t know if the bears GM is willing to continue the cycle that got the last GM fired
There is no way they are taking a wr with the first pick. WR’s are just not as valued as other positions. It would be like taking RB with the first pick. Megatron and Fitz were not taken with the 1st and they were generational recievers. Most of the consensus in Chicago now that emotions have calmed with Eberflus staying put is that they are more than likely drafting a qb. Their line of thought is new offensive staff should have a clean slate and if the top qb in draft is more talented than fields they go with the rookie qb. It also helps reset their cap which allows them to improve their team faster as well as opposed to extending fields with a massive contract. Go visit the bears Reddit they are already showing this train of thought.
Problem is... You don't build a team with a WR. EVER And this would be the 2nd consecutive year the Bears would have passed on a Franchise QB. I don't think there is a chance in Hell that the Bears draft MHJ at #1 overall.
The only way I see it happening is if the bears are really sold on Fields, no team is willing to trade for #1 and attach a good receiver (like Carolina attaching DJ Moore last year), or if WAS or NE won’t trade up. If they can’t get a good/great WR, I could see the bears doing what they can to pair MHJ with Moore and Fields to give Fields the best chance at success
Cool. Gatekeeping the discussion
Cry about it
What are you, like five?
It’s not gate keeping. It’s using reason to find the most likely outcome
We win regardless, they take him we get a haul for the QBs. If they don’t take him we get him. Win win
I don’t think we even need to trade down for a haul at all since we already have one. We need big players now
Absolutely! We have so many options available that any route we take can work out well for us.
Yeah i agree their just going through the Josh + Bosa v Kyler + Day 2 pick situation like we did in 2019
We need to stop fretting another team taking Marvin. If he's taken top 3? Great. A team will give us 3 1sts for jayden Daniels or drake maye. It's not a calamity to miss on him. * * - yes I want mhj with the 4th pick
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100% I'd be thrilled. Grab Keon Coleman late in the first, and bam!
The draft is going Caleb, maye, marv. Nobody is giving 3 firsts for Daniel’s. Are you kidding?
You're insane. Atlanta Denver and Vegas all need to solve their qb situation this off season.
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lol Just disregard the talent of these QBs. Not all years/qbs are created equal. Also, all the teams that would want him are jumping from 8 to 13. If you don't think that the raiders would have to give 3 1sts, then you're crazy. Everyone thinks its like only the Giants at 5 or something.
They aren’t doing it for 3 first round draft picks!!!! We didn’t get 3 for the 3rd overall last year but you think we get 3 for the 4th this year. I love psychopath delusional fans
We got 2 firsts for ours... And the qbs were off the board. That's why. 4 teams picking behind us will be eyeballing jayden. Very fucking different scenario. It's amazing to me that you can't see that picks are worth different amounts every year based on... Wait for it... The talent available.
I’m willing to bet my entire house this doesn’t even remotely happen unless some team puts ditka in their front office
You would probably be homeless. Every year the draft is different. Right now the QB class is much stronger than it was years prior. Every QB needy team will do whatever they can to try and get what they need. Anthony Richardson was drafted 4th overall last year. Jayden Daniel’s is a much better prospect than he ever was in college. He is a heisman winner and has had a better career than Richardson. Any team outside the top 5 will trade a haul to try and get a QB they need. We have seen it from years prior what teams are willing to give just to trade up and get there guys. QBs are the most important positions in the NFL and teams know that next years draft will be shit in terms of the QBs compared to this one.
Good god it just doesn’t stop. So you are saying this is the deepest qb draft in history ? Name any other draft in nfl history where some team gave up 3 FIRST ROUND picks for the 4 pick overall???? Jesus. h. Christ.
🤦 OMG, you really are ignorant lol. I Never said it was the deepest QB draft in history. Plus I never said it would take 3 first round draft picks to trade up to 4. You obviously don’t get how some people can exaggerate sometimes and not actually being literal about it. You need to stop taking things so literal all the time.
That's silly. It's a draft where you have no control whatsoever. Go pull your equity and hit the bookmaker, I guess. Good luck to you.
Sometimes I don't know what's worse, talking politics or this sub talking draft picks. People get so bent out of shape over the smallest things. In the end we're all just a bunch of shitheads talking in a forum so I think Monty is relatively free from our influence.
Agree, while I'd love him, we can still get Nabers or Odunze, who some think will be as good or even a little better than MHJ as a pro. You never know until these guys start playing. For all we know MHJ could be Julio, but Odunze could be AJ Green as well.
Our first is worth 3 u think?
If Jayden or Drake are available? Absolutely yes.
I like the optimism but no way in hell we get 3x 1sts for the 4th overall pick — even if the 3rd best QB prospect in that draft is still avail.
Jayden, drake, and Caleb are all #1 qbs in another year. I think it's possible or 2 firsts and a roster player.
I feel like that’s getting thrown around too much. Yes, Jayden is rising… but similar to Richardson last year. Quick look back over the past 7-ish drafts (including this one). Only probably goes as QB1 in 2020. Terrible QB class with Pickett the first taken at 20. Otherwise… prospect wise he’s not beating out guys like Williams, Lawrence, Burrow. Only maybes are last year & 2019 but Kyler still probably goes ahead of him & hindsight is 20/20 but Young & CJ were still better prospects coming out. Dont get me wrong, I’d love for some team to get enamored with him to that extreme level but it’s January… lots of end of year fan hype.
Maybe. Im super high on jayden, and not super high on maye. So, my opinion will be colored by that. I feel like jayden likely is the best qb in the draft immediately with his dual threat menace.
Agreed.
Fields is so bad, and as a fan of this team since 1988 I feel I am highly attuned at spotting shitty QB play