Upvote this comment if you feel this submission is characteristic of our subreddit. Downvote this if you feel that it is not. If this comment's score falls below a certain number, this submission will be automatically removed.To download the video use the website link below:
* **[Download via redditsave.com](https://redditsave.com/info?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/zntig1/inmate_is_not_happy_with_customer_support/)**
---
On September 26th 2022 we’ve made the decision to start banning people for posting gore. We’ve published our [Gore and Harassment update here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/xmtclq/gore_and_harassment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) if you posted gore please remove it as it will result in a ban. Thank you.
Also did a great job of handling themself and the situation without escalating it further. Judging by the response of the other prisoners I'm gonna assume that the guard is actually a decent person that the prisoners respect.
They also know that everything is camera. If they helped that dude in anyway they can be charged with a slew of felonies. Not worth it for some dude with a stupid beef that he won't ever solved by attacking a guard.
"Good conduct time, good time credit, good time, or time off for good behavior is a sentence reduction given to prisoners who maintain good behavior while imprisoned. Good time can be forfeited if a prisoner is determined to have committed disciplinary infractions and/or crimes while incarcerated.
Under United States federal law, prisoners serving more than one year in prison get 54 days a year of good time on the anniversary of each year they serve plus the pro rata good time applied to a partial year served at the end of their sentence, at the rate of 54 days per year.
Persistent controversy over calculation of good conduct time in the United States was laid to rest in the Supreme Court decision in Barber v. Thomas in 2010.[2] The First Step Act, which provides for time credits for successful participation in recidivism reduction programs, also changes how the 54 days are calculated, applying a retroactive fix that could result in the release of 4,000 prisoners."
According to wikipedia he probably would get rewarded for his help but I would assume it would depend on the severity of his crimes and a whole bunch of other factors.
I'd guess that who's jail (federal, state, county, or city) would also have a major factor to if there was even a reward possible. I was under the impression that there wasn't a good conduct reward system in the federal prison system, and it was implemented at a state level only.
I honestly don't know, but if I had to pull an answer out of my ass I'd say yes? Seems like any sort of good behaviour could be looked at to reduce your sentence, whatever it is. I'm sure the guard you helped wouldn't mind also vouching for you as a thanks. Seems that way at least 🤷♂️
For sure, but then you've got a bunch of inmates who saw you helping the guard, and they might not be very happy about that. Best action is not to get involved I think.
As a ex co in state and federal prisons if the CO is cool with the inmates the other inmates would have no issue with someone helping. People on here get the wrong idea about prisons a lot. Now if it was a an ass hole co they may not be happy.
My dads a retired CO who was well-liked for the most part and that’s pretty much what he told me as well. There’d occasionally be a new person in who’d try and fuck with him and another prisoner would usually pull him aside and tell him to cut it out.
Good behavior means you didn't step out of line. You don't get anything for being a good Samaritan l. In fact it's highly discouraged from both guards and inmates.
For a parole board, yes definitely. Itd be a factor that's looked at.
To just reduce your sentence tho idk bout that.
As getting out early for "good behaviour" is just about not causing issues,
There's videos of prisoners Saving guards from being jumped/killed
Not really?
Good behavior is kinda a misnomer. It’s more “not bad behavior.”
It’s not that doing good deeds is “good behavior” but keeping out of trouble, not getting into fights or getting caught with contraband, etc.
Good behavior is more the absence of bad behavior than anything you do actively.
Good behavior is classified as not doing anything wrong. So if you just stay in your room and never come out unless ordered too this would be an example of "good behavior"
A friend of mine is a prison guard. One of the rules he lives by is treat everyone like a human being and never make it “us vs them”. He says the only reason the guards get go home at the end of their shift is because the inmates let them.
Not every prison is fucking shawshank. Its true, the easiest way to get through your shifts as a CO is to treat everyone with respect. Yeah theres times where the nice guy routine has to step aside but those are rare.
This is most likely it. In my experience with jail when something like this happens its better to just 'press your bunk' aka go to your bed and stay out of the way. Some asshold guard will come in and throw you in the hole just for standing to close.
Having worked in corrections, this is quite normal. It’s intimidating as fuck to walk into a 96-man tank with just you and one partner (or a 48-man tank *solo*), but the visions of inmates all ganging up on you never come to pass. Well…almost never.
Usually, they just stand back and watch like this, or even help you out if they like you. It’s…weirdly refreshing to witness.
Good on you. I feel like if I took that job all my hobbies would consist of mma, weightlifting/crossfit, and that obscure martial art that focuses on throwing groups of people. All just in case I couldn't deescalate like in this situation.
For a lot of COs, that’s exactly what they do. For others, they just do crosswords all day. :P
It’s a weirdly diverse crowd, and people deal with the stress of that environment in a pretty wide variety of ways.
> Judging by the response of the other prisoners I'm gonna assume that the guard is actually a decent person that the prisoners respect.
Its a combo of things I think.
This is obviously a low security unit. Open guards desk on the pod? None of these guys are in for anything violent, and most likely don't have any violent history. Any guys with violence, even if they are in low security, will go into a unit where the guard is in a bubble (secure room watching the unit). These are probably guys in for DUI's, or cause they can't pay traffic tickets, or on weekends or something. Even possession guys would probably be in a unit with the guard in a bubble. These guys are the "lowest of the low" on the risk scale.
They aren't going to interfere because it automatically brings a ton of trouble. Even if they are helping the guard, it can look really bad at first. Imagine seeing an inmate fighting a guard, and another inmate rushes up. Who do you think they are gunna support? Most people would assume the inmate. Its just a messy situation to put yourself in.
The inmates are trying to help because they know how bad its going to be for all of them if it gets any worse. They are willing to risk helping because they know shits fucked anyways. Once a guard gets attacked on a unit, that unit gets fucked up for a while. I bet they are on lockdown (no leaving the cells at all) for at least a week after this. The inmates trying to help are probably pissed knowing they are about to be locked in their cells cause of one dipshits actions. Usually all the inmates in a unit are held responsible for the actions of one bad inmate. It sucks shit.
Of course I'm just speculating based of my history volunteering with a society that helps inmates here in Canada. You learn a lot about the system from them, and how fucked up it can be.
My father did prison guard duty before, he said the best way to get the prisoners on your side is to treat them kindly and with respect, treat them like people, never talk down to them and always show that they are safe with you around. And it worked, the prisoners responded positively to my father and even told him if things were gonna go down between prisoners so that the guards could stop them.
Also CCTV everywhere and anyone too close to the action will get punished.
Being a guard in this prisons is life threatening and any prisoner going too close to the action will get punished.
I worked in the prison system for over twenty two years….this could have been a fucking nightmare. Good thing the other inmates did not hate this Officer, or he would be dead.
It is in some jails I've been in, and there's always a rule that if you walk or stand behind the desk in that open area, you're liable to be thrown in the holding cell. I'd imagine situations like this are the reason why.
Where these lower security prisons?
I feel like in a normal or high security prison they should come up with a better desk or at the very least have some form of barrier behind the desk that needs a key to enter but push bar to leave so officers can still exit quickly if needed.
Wouldn’t stop someone jumping over the desk still, but it stops the officer getting attacked from behind or easily rushed like in this video.
I mean I imagine that this is actually better than the alternative of the desk being against a wall. If it’s against a wall there’s nowhere for the person being attacked to go, as opposed to being able to run and not be cornered like the guy in the video did.
My cousin worked at a prison. This was his setup. People in his yard were serving sentences of 5 years or less. It generally isn't dangerous because people serving 5 years aren't going to murder a guard and get life. Even assaulting one would double or triple your sentence.
> I worked in the prison system for over twenty two years….this could have been a fucking nightmare. Good thing the other inmates did not hate this Officer, or he would be dead.
I have family that used to work as prison guards, and I learned (as a kid) that it was very important for inmates and officers to respect each other, because backup isn't always right there, and the difference between having respect for each other or not can be life or death for the officer.
Officers that are assholes must have death wishes. People may have violated the law, but they should still be treated as humans, within reason. For example, officers should not become so chummy that they can be blackmailed or similar.
I married a woman who's mom was a prison guard. Knowing nothing about the system and meeting her for the first time my reaction was "Holy fuck, this woman deserves respect". Mil is a guard for federal fuck you in the ass prison, mens unit. Meaning, she knows the shit, and trust is a luxury, not a right. She likes me though.
This setup could be a Medium Security facility. Inmates at this level could be in prison for many reasons, even murder….it depends on how they have behaved during incarceration. As a staff member, I attempted to treat every inmate with respect and consideration. Most responded in kind. Not because I feared something like this popping off, but because they are human beings with value even if they have done terrible things.
A friend of mine was inside a lot during the 90’s. He says he stands like the inmate there with his hands behind his back to seem non-threatening. He tends to do this when he’s angry with someone, but wants to talk to them first. My guess is the inmate was doing the same thing. Dunno if he planned to attack the guy or just got suddenly mad but he definitely had some kind of issue he wanted to talk to the guard about first. Just saying maybe it wasn’t planned?
Or maybe the guy is just a nut with a reason he’s in there in the first place. Let me get back to my armchair.
Hiding your hands is not non-threatening, especially if it doesn’t match the situation. It can be pretty clear from someone’s tone what they really think.
> ‘What u gonna do, arrest me and send me to prison??’
Joking aside, solitary confinement is an option, and extended use of it can easily be state-sanctioned psychological torture.
They have other enhancements to make time in solitary even less appealing. For example they can also take away clothing, turn the water off, and serve food in unappealing loaf form, just to name a few.
I'm not a jail expert by any means, but I thought once you jump a guard, a hundred other guards would rush in and destroy you. Am I the only one surprised by the lack of back up?
I am a Jail expert. Left as a Lt. from a Maximum security prison after about 18 years. It takes time to get staff there. Prisons and Jails are large places usually and every door is locked and controlled by electronic panels or Folger Adam’s keys(large brass keys) That’s also assuming that whoever was this persons partner in the tower or observation area saw what was happening and called for Assistance. There is also a litany of things that could be happening depending on what that facilities protocol is. In the 80s we had a riot that started where they assaulted an officer and when the others ran into help without looking or assessing the situation they were waiting behind where the door swung too and smashed the first man through in the face with a hard plastic food tray. Also prisons and jails are always extremely understaffed. There were nights where we had seven officers for 580 inmates. My guess is though officers are coming. Just takes a bit to get there. That’s why it always paid to be decent and fair to the inmates because sometimes they were the only help you had.
> That’s why it always paid to be decent and fair to the inmates because sometimes they were the only help you had.
[you are right... after all the clips i saw of jailers getting help from inmates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouOnJQV97gM)
>It takes time to get staff there. Prisons and Jails are large places usually and every door is locked and controlled by electronic panels or Folger Adam’s keys(large brass keys)
people expect to be like in the movies where riot police is sitting near every door as soon fist meet meat they bust open the doors.
My first thought to some of these, “where are the guards?” questions was why do you think every town has “Correctional Officers Needed” signs outside the prison?
It’s a top down problem. Poor working conditions and inefficient and ineffective policies are almost always because someone in an office at headquarters thought something sounded like a good idea. There were many times I’d completely ignore policy changes and refuse to implement them because they weren’t practical or safe for officers or inmates. Poor policy forces good officers out, then you’re left with crappy CO’s, angry inmates, and little to no control.
I honestly can’t speak about for profit prisons because I have no experience with them, although my brief interactions with transportation companies, they didn’t leave a good impression. As for why they are hiring. It’s not a simple answer. No one’s really knocking down the door to work with violent criminals, face an average life expectancy of 55 years old, all while being exposed to communicable diseases and being diagnosed with PTSD at a higher rate than combat veterans. Also people aren’t fans of being spit on or having urine and feces thrown on and at them.
Are there good men and women in prison/jail who made some mistakes and can be rehabilitated?absolutely. There are tons of them. It’s great to see those folks back in the community and thriving. However, there are also folks who refuse to make those changes to be better. All those things you listed like education work, if the person wants to take advantage of them. Not everyone can be rehabilitated. Lack of mental health results in many of those people being locked behind bars where they don’t belong as well. Because unfortunately that’s the safest place for them. Not everyone is built to work with the mentally ill so they quit as they realize the full scope of the job.
At the end of the day the guys and girls going to work behind those walls have nothing to do with how the system is set up or designed. Those systems are put in place by politicians. I think anyone with any common sense can guess why politicians are willing to privatize prisons to multibillion dollar companies. I think the solution requires a massive culture shift away from the glorifying of crime to young adults, as well as accountability for our actions starting at an early age. I get the frustration but honestly, all of these problems are multi faceted and can’t be summed up by a few of us on Reddit with our couple of paragraphs. We all have our views which are shaped by our own individual experiences. I appreciate the dialogue though.
Excellently said. I run group therapy at a medium security state facility near me and the inmates really do have every opportunity to better themselves, whether it's education up to a free college degree, mental health services, tradescraft, fuck we even have a service dog training program that's super coveted and only the best behaved inmates get those positions.
I regularly work with guys who are so excited to get out and THRIVE because they intentionally did the best time they could and decided to take their bid as a chance to self reflect and self improve. For many of them, I think they will.
And then there the the guys that won't or can't work on the life-harming issues that landed them in prison in the first place. They do programming for the good time and say what they have to say and none of it touches them in a meaningful way. Or they just don't even do that and many of them learn worse behaviors on the inside due to traumatic experiences and who they meet.
The unfortunate thing about prison is that you have to take both ends of the spectrum into account when you're there. If you set the facility up only for the guys that want to thrive you're making an extremely dangerous situation that the predators inside can easily take advantage of. If all you do is set the scene for dealing with predators then you stifle the chance of any real growth for the decent guys. It's a crazy tightrope.
Your post made me smile! My father (also a CO for 30 years )developed and instituted one of the first service dog programs (his program was for wounded veterans) for the prison system he worked in. He was so proud of that program and loved it.
That program is almost more effective therapy than the therapy I give. So many of these guys have never really had unconditional love before and now, after being in state level prison for who knows how long they get the opportunity to raise a dog from a puppy! I've had guys in that program tell me it's the first time they felt like they loved a creature that really loved them back. Cudos to your pops man.
He said that the guys would go out of there way to avoid violations because any write up and they were out of the program . The best behaved unit in his prison almost overnight. When he passed away one of the vets who got one of the dogs brought it to the funeral after seeing the obituary mentioning the program.
>These slaves are harvested by cops from disproportionately trolling minority neighborhoods.
And you lost me. The whole "there's more crime in neighborhoods where police patrol more *because* police patrol there a lot" idea is bogus.
Shit isn't going to change when you have the right idea and you slather it in bullshit that is demonstrably false.
> "there's more crime in neighborhoods where police patrol more because police patrol there a lot"
I admit it's kind of subtle but you're arguing against a strawman. This is not what they were saying. They are saving arrests go up as a result of more patrols, not crime.
Why the actual fuck would there be just an "officers desk" in the middle of an area where that office could be surrounded easily? Seems like a risky design...
People think everyone in prison is a murder in for life. You aren't assaulting a prison guard if you you're only serving 3 years. That is a good way to serve 9 miserable years of harassment from guards.
This isn’t a super max with serial killers. Given that the prisoners are free to walk around and seem to be casually talking to the guard like they’re all friends it’s definitely just a jail or minimum security. These guys are going to be out in a couple years and definitely aren’t violent. There just happens to be one dumbass in the bunch. The other inmates immediately ran in to help the guard.
I spent some time in prison (not as a guard). Its been a long time since I got out, but I never saw a woman guarding male inmates. Guards are also rarely alone with this many inmates. Since there was a single woman guarding many men, Im guessing this is a minimum security prison or a big city jail. In my experience, whenever there’s a fight, inmates break it up quickly or they run as far from the fight as fast as possible. Nothing good ever happens to those in the area afterwards. I was surprised how the inmates in this video just stood around doing nothing. I would expect guards to flood that area in a few seconds and start kicking asses. The guy who attacked the guard is going to have a very bad day and probably get time added for this.
It’s a male officer. I thought it was a women also at first but it’s something black on the desk that makes it look like a female with her hair pulled up.
That makes sense. I still think that must be a minimum security prison or a segregated area of a larger prison since he was alone with so many inmates.
To me this looks like a county or city jail. Probably pre trial and sentenced misdemeanors. Which is why you see so many inmates seeming to try and stop it or at least move in the direction at first in case the officer was losing If this was sentenced felons they most likely would have done as you said and just went to their cells and locked down. These men are your mild offenders with charges like DUI, failure to pay child support, shoplifting etc.
Edited for typo
Might be a lower security area. Youll have more guards in high security areas.
This set up isnt all surprising for low level security areas. The guard could also be manning a social work desk as jails may have case workers on hand to help with inmate processing (paper work, release forms, parole info, social assistant programs etc.)
>Might be a lower security area
Probably is which also explains why the other inmates didn't jump in.
1. They probably are non-violent offenders to begin with or offenders that have shown they are at low risk of committing violence
2. They don't want to get moved to a higher security area where it'll be more dangerous and they'll have less freedom
My first thought was , *"Jesus Christ that security station is completely open and can be easily surrounded!"* And where the hell are the rest of the guards?
I like the black and yellow caution tape though. I'm sure it's very effective.
It's part of the [evolution](https://www.lexipol.com/resources/blog/the-evolution-of-prison-design-and-the-rise-of-the-direct-supervision-model/):
>Direct supervision jails focus on actively managing inmate behavior to produce a jail that is safe and secure for inmates, staff, and visitors. Staff interact continuously with inmates in the housing units, actively supervising them to identify problems in their early stages.
I worked at a max security mental health facility. I'd play softball with 30+ guys and 4 Aluminum bats.
These are murderers, serial killers, etc...you can't just lock them up all the time
Usually when a fight just begins its just the ones in the fight. It does take a few minutes for other guards to get to the location of the fight and having a bunch rush in could aggravate the situation causing more inmates to join the brawl.
guards do need to move from point A to point B and cant do so immediately.
Security level (based on the crimes of the inmates, for example murders are high level, graffitists are low level) of the unit/cell block can also effect the number of guards in the location. Higher level of security=more guards.
I work in a big city jail. At our jail, when something like this happens or a fight ever breaks out, the guard presses a button (on a little device attached to his belt) that send a signal to all of the closest/surrounding detectors on the ceilings (they are everywhere on the ceilings throughout the jail). This alerts the guards in Master Control (the ones who control all of the doors, elevators, paging overhead, etc) approximately where the chaos is. Then, master control pages overhead for the whole jail to hear “Code 2 main jail Unit blank blank” then they repeat it again and then they say “SERT camera on.” Then, a majority of the SERT guards go running to that unit and break it all up essentially. The SERT guards wear vests, helmets, have other equipment and gear, etc. there’s a lot of them. After they get situation under control, they then have to identify who all was involved and bring those inmates to medical (in handcuffs now) to be evaluated. They add charges to their record, etc. it’s a whole ordeal. But it happens all day, everyday. There’s different codes and they respond differently to each one which I could go into as well but it’s pretty crazy! Anyway, point being, all this said it takes time from the moment an officer presses that alert button, to the time master control pages it, then has to simultaneously start opening lots of doors for different areas for SERT guys to come from all over and has to also send the elevators to that floor, etc
This is just based on my experience so some may be different.
Prisons are hugely understaffed for one. Guards have alarms on their person and also by the desks, so they'd have to press it first to alert anyone - then it would take a couple minutes for other guards to arrive depending on how far away they are.
If he didn't manage to press the alarm, then he'd just pray that whoever's looking at the cameras sees what's going on.
Private prisons never hire enough guards.
They have a small handful of guards to look after often thousands of inmates, whenever there's a riot at a private prison they call in the riot police on the taxpayer's dime and scapegoat the guards to take all the blame and scrutiny. Often times they'll only have ONE guard in the facility, locked up in the control room during nights.
It's why private prisons are hell on earth for both inmates and staff.
Source: am security guard who considered working in a private prison till I was convinced not to by a coworker who did that job.
There are several ideas behind it. One being officer presence can deter violations of facility rules. Also it allows inmates access to officers for any problems they may have. One complaint from facilities that don’t use staff secure models is that inmates needs and concerns are neglected because officers ignore them because they don’t have to interact with them as often. Some places have implemented cage systems to protect the officers but it’s not everywhere. It became popular in the 90s as corrections moved more towards a rehabilitation model from a punishment model.
Putting the desk up against is probably worst, nothing has stopped inmates from jumping over them before and I would feel a lot better if I had more room to maneuver or escape.
The desk itself is a blocking device, you should definitely be able to read the temperament of the inmate and shouldn’t be sitting down when one approaches you anyways.
Counterpoint to people pointing this out. I think the only reason the other prisoners didn’t jump in was because he was in an open environment. Putting a guard out in the open around inmates may SEEM like a terrible idea, but doing so gives the chance for the inmates and guards to interact. This humanizes both sides from the perspective of the other.
Having someone outside looking in leads to the inmates being viewed as less than because you’re literally looking down on them and, therefore, easier to abuse and visa versa. Putting them out in the open allows the officer and inmates to develop a rapport and get to know each other, humanizing each side. Which, theoretically, should leave to safer prison conditions and less violence.
Yup, expected to see way more comments about that. His back is completely exposed when he's working on something on his desk. Super weird floor layout.
Yep, lots of jails are designed like this. I was a jail librarian and we would deliver books in the open pods just like this... one CO behind the lil desk. Then when we would deliver books, they would line up (about 50-75 inmates) and there was literally just a book cart between me and them. I asked to not ever deliver to the most violent offender pods as a young female. Although some of the older female librarians do and are hard af. So many of them have some fun stories.
Huh, whoa, that’s a guy who lives in my neighborhood. He showed me this footage last summer while our kids played at the local playground.
This happened at the jail facility in Hillsboro, Oregon. I don’t remember the full story of what started it, but I remember it being very petty. The officer (my neighbor) was fine after the ordeal, he acted like it was a regular Tuesday at the office.
It’s kind if heartwarming to see the other inmates keeping the place clear. They didn’t necessarily help, but they let the guard do their job when it would have been so easy to just jump in and waste that guy.
Honestly love how the rest of them are like “bro you’re ab to get 25 more years, chill out” helping the officer. Also that officer woke up and didn’t want, but was READY for violence. Dude’s got a mean right hook. Much respect to all correctional officers & inmates that understand these guys are just doing their job.
I’m no prison expert or anything but that seems like a horrid place to have an officer. 75% of them is exposed with no protection. Fuck that. What a badass though, through hands and rattled that criminal fuck like twice.
Why are people that can't fight so aggressive? I've never heard someone talk more shit than a man that absolutely cannot fight. It's like chihuahua syndrome
Why wouldn't they put a cage around this workstation. Even county jails where I'm at would never have a CO just at a desk in the open in the common area. That makes no sense.
This made me so anxious for the Officer.
I have a work-buddy that worked in a prison for decades doing stuff like this and he's tried to convince me to work there, but I'm good; regardless of how well you might be liked, one slip-up is enough scar you for life or kill you. My anxiety would not lend me to be 100% at a job like that.
the inmates for sure got closer to make sure the dude didn’t over step and kill her or anything. some of them were even cheering when he got apprehended.
The antithesis of the statement every “cop” has no/horrible training. Appropriate awareness and escalation, from his solid defense of slipping the first swing, his timely and accurate counter (check out his form & weight xfer on that first right hook). This guy trains like it could save his life one day, oh yeah, it did.
Upvote this comment if you feel this submission is characteristic of our subreddit. Downvote this if you feel that it is not. If this comment's score falls below a certain number, this submission will be automatically removed.To download the video use the website link below: * **[Download via redditsave.com](https://redditsave.com/info?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/zntig1/inmate_is_not_happy_with_customer_support/)** --- On September 26th 2022 we’ve made the decision to start banning people for posting gore. We’ve published our [Gore and Harassment update here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/xmtclq/gore_and_harassment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) if you posted gore please remove it as it will result in a ban. Thank you.
That guard got a mean right hook damn
Also did a great job of handling themself and the situation without escalating it further. Judging by the response of the other prisoners I'm gonna assume that the guard is actually a decent person that the prisoners respect.
They also know that everything is camera. If they helped that dude in anyway they can be charged with a slew of felonies. Not worth it for some dude with a stupid beef that he won't ever solved by attacking a guard.
Would something like that be considered “good behavior,” and maybe help reduce your sentence or no?
"Good conduct time, good time credit, good time, or time off for good behavior is a sentence reduction given to prisoners who maintain good behavior while imprisoned. Good time can be forfeited if a prisoner is determined to have committed disciplinary infractions and/or crimes while incarcerated. Under United States federal law, prisoners serving more than one year in prison get 54 days a year of good time on the anniversary of each year they serve plus the pro rata good time applied to a partial year served at the end of their sentence, at the rate of 54 days per year. Persistent controversy over calculation of good conduct time in the United States was laid to rest in the Supreme Court decision in Barber v. Thomas in 2010.[2] The First Step Act, which provides for time credits for successful participation in recidivism reduction programs, also changes how the 54 days are calculated, applying a retroactive fix that could result in the release of 4,000 prisoners." According to wikipedia he probably would get rewarded for his help but I would assume it would depend on the severity of his crimes and a whole bunch of other factors.
Thank you, I hadn’t considered how the crime they were imprisoned for would affect it but it definitely makes sense that it could.
I'd guess that who's jail (federal, state, county, or city) would also have a major factor to if there was even a reward possible. I was under the impression that there wasn't a good conduct reward system in the federal prison system, and it was implemented at a state level only.
It should be noted that Federal good time is a lot less than state good time.
No that is just considered not being a douche bag. Good behavior comes from the completion of programs/jobs. Source am correctional sergeant
Good behaviour != not actively beating the shit out of an authority figure the very first chance you get
I honestly don't know, but if I had to pull an answer out of my ass I'd say yes? Seems like any sort of good behaviour could be looked at to reduce your sentence, whatever it is. I'm sure the guard you helped wouldn't mind also vouching for you as a thanks. Seems that way at least 🤷♂️
Yeah I mean it definitely makes sense that helping a guard subdue another inmate would land you some good behavior or something
For sure, but then you've got a bunch of inmates who saw you helping the guard, and they might not be very happy about that. Best action is not to get involved I think.
As a ex co in state and federal prisons if the CO is cool with the inmates the other inmates would have no issue with someone helping. People on here get the wrong idea about prisons a lot. Now if it was a an ass hole co they may not be happy.
My dads a retired CO who was well-liked for the most part and that’s pretty much what he told me as well. There’d occasionally be a new person in who’d try and fuck with him and another prisoner would usually pull him aside and tell him to cut it out.
Unless you just want a chance for beat someone up without getting in trouble.
True, but by the rules of the education system, everybody gets solitary confinement.
lol accurate
Good behavior means you didn't step out of line. You don't get anything for being a good Samaritan l. In fact it's highly discouraged from both guards and inmates.
This is true. Unless it's a respectable guard that treats the inmates like human beings AND his life is truly in danger, probably no one will step in.
In some systems COs can write positive reports and submit them to an inmates record.
For a parole board, yes definitely. Itd be a factor that's looked at. To just reduce your sentence tho idk bout that. As getting out early for "good behaviour" is just about not causing issues, There's videos of prisoners Saving guards from being jumped/killed
Not really? Good behavior is kinda a misnomer. It’s more “not bad behavior.” It’s not that doing good deeds is “good behavior” but keeping out of trouble, not getting into fights or getting caught with contraband, etc. Good behavior is more the absence of bad behavior than anything you do actively.
Good behavior is classified as not doing anything wrong. So if you just stay in your room and never come out unless ordered too this would be an example of "good behavior"
The dude that actually reached up to pull him off the guard probably will
A friend of mine is a prison guard. One of the rules he lives by is treat everyone like a human being and never make it “us vs them”. He says the only reason the guards get go home at the end of their shift is because the inmates let them.
This sounds a lot like "What prison guards would like you to think about them"
Not every prison is fucking shawshank. Its true, the easiest way to get through your shifts as a CO is to treat everyone with respect. Yeah theres times where the nice guy routine has to step aside but those are rare.
This is most likely it. In my experience with jail when something like this happens its better to just 'press your bunk' aka go to your bed and stay out of the way. Some asshold guard will come in and throw you in the hole just for standing to close.
They are not there because they are the brightest bunch. I'm sure a few had that in mind, but most probably mildly like that guard.
Having worked in corrections, this is quite normal. It’s intimidating as fuck to walk into a 96-man tank with just you and one partner (or a 48-man tank *solo*), but the visions of inmates all ganging up on you never come to pass. Well…almost never. Usually, they just stand back and watch like this, or even help you out if they like you. It’s…weirdly refreshing to witness.
Good on you. I feel like if I took that job all my hobbies would consist of mma, weightlifting/crossfit, and that obscure martial art that focuses on throwing groups of people. All just in case I couldn't deescalate like in this situation.
For a lot of COs, that’s exactly what they do. For others, they just do crosswords all day. :P It’s a weirdly diverse crowd, and people deal with the stress of that environment in a pretty wide variety of ways.
One inmate actually helped the guard subdue the attacker, I noticed on second watch. Very, very nice.
Is that one inmate directing traffic on the left at the end?
> Judging by the response of the other prisoners I'm gonna assume that the guard is actually a decent person that the prisoners respect. Its a combo of things I think. This is obviously a low security unit. Open guards desk on the pod? None of these guys are in for anything violent, and most likely don't have any violent history. Any guys with violence, even if they are in low security, will go into a unit where the guard is in a bubble (secure room watching the unit). These are probably guys in for DUI's, or cause they can't pay traffic tickets, or on weekends or something. Even possession guys would probably be in a unit with the guard in a bubble. These guys are the "lowest of the low" on the risk scale. They aren't going to interfere because it automatically brings a ton of trouble. Even if they are helping the guard, it can look really bad at first. Imagine seeing an inmate fighting a guard, and another inmate rushes up. Who do you think they are gunna support? Most people would assume the inmate. Its just a messy situation to put yourself in. The inmates are trying to help because they know how bad its going to be for all of them if it gets any worse. They are willing to risk helping because they know shits fucked anyways. Once a guard gets attacked on a unit, that unit gets fucked up for a while. I bet they are on lockdown (no leaving the cells at all) for at least a week after this. The inmates trying to help are probably pissed knowing they are about to be locked in their cells cause of one dipshits actions. Usually all the inmates in a unit are held responsible for the actions of one bad inmate. It sucks shit. Of course I'm just speculating based of my history volunteering with a society that helps inmates here in Canada. You learn a lot about the system from them, and how fucked up it can be.
My father did prison guard duty before, he said the best way to get the prisoners on your side is to treat them kindly and with respect, treat them like people, never talk down to them and always show that they are safe with you around. And it worked, the prisoners responded positively to my father and even told him if things were gonna go down between prisoners so that the guards could stop them.
Respect is definitely at play here
Also CCTV everywhere and anyone too close to the action will get punished. Being a guard in this prisons is life threatening and any prisoner going too close to the action will get punished.
Or respect because they have seen people try this with the guard before and know he is going to kick that inmates ass.
It looked exactly like that meme : "OK ima fight the warden. Damn he got hands."
Inmate was eating those shots like pacman, hahaha
I worked in the prison system for over twenty two years….this could have been a fucking nightmare. Good thing the other inmates did not hate this Officer, or he would be dead.
Is this desk setup normal for prisons? It seems like it would be an extremely dangerous setup for the officer on duty
It is in some jails I've been in, and there's always a rule that if you walk or stand behind the desk in that open area, you're liable to be thrown in the holding cell. I'd imagine situations like this are the reason why.
Where these lower security prisons? I feel like in a normal or high security prison they should come up with a better desk or at the very least have some form of barrier behind the desk that needs a key to enter but push bar to leave so officers can still exit quickly if needed. Wouldn’t stop someone jumping over the desk still, but it stops the officer getting attacked from behind or easily rushed like in this video.
Yeah, those are probably not very dangerous criminals.
Well, that one was.
Well, yeah
I mean I imagine that this is actually better than the alternative of the desk being against a wall. If it’s against a wall there’s nowhere for the person being attacked to go, as opposed to being able to run and not be cornered like the guy in the video did.
Could be. This guy also came at him like a tweaker. A half way competent guy grabbing you from behind would be game over.
My cousin worked at a prison. This was his setup. People in his yard were serving sentences of 5 years or less. It generally isn't dangerous because people serving 5 years aren't going to murder a guard and get life. Even assaulting one would double or triple your sentence.
> I worked in the prison system for over twenty two years….this could have been a fucking nightmare. Good thing the other inmates did not hate this Officer, or he would be dead. I have family that used to work as prison guards, and I learned (as a kid) that it was very important for inmates and officers to respect each other, because backup isn't always right there, and the difference between having respect for each other or not can be life or death for the officer. Officers that are assholes must have death wishes. People may have violated the law, but they should still be treated as humans, within reason. For example, officers should not become so chummy that they can be blackmailed or similar.
I married a woman who's mom was a prison guard. Knowing nothing about the system and meeting her for the first time my reaction was "Holy fuck, this woman deserves respect". Mil is a guard for federal fuck you in the ass prison, mens unit. Meaning, she knows the shit, and trust is a luxury, not a right. She likes me though.
This doesn't look like a particularly high security setup. Most of those guys are probably as likely to murder a person in cold blood as me and you.
This setup could be a Medium Security facility. Inmates at this level could be in prison for many reasons, even murder….it depends on how they have behaved during incarceration. As a staff member, I attempted to treat every inmate with respect and consideration. Most responded in kind. Not because I feared something like this popping off, but because they are human beings with value even if they have done terrible things.
All it takes is one bad day...
One bad day and I switch from selling weed to becoming a sociopathic murderer? Ehhhh I'm not seeing it. Sry.
Good thing the other inmates didn’t watch Andor
One way out, one way out
Not if you are Andy Dufresne
Dufresne, party of two, table ready for Dufresne, party of two...
We need a search party for the Dufrense.
Bush, search party of 3. You can eat once you find the Dufrense.
ON PROGRAM!
“Be happy with the customer service or we’ll start setting off floors at random”
I work in a prison with different building lay outs. Who even thought that desk was a good idea should be in a prison.
A prison for bad architects sounds like an amazing Kafka short story.
Looks like it was actually another inmate who ultimately took the guy down. Good for him (I hope).
Guard has a solid right hand
Definitely rocked that guy
Customer support offered him a complimentary knuckle sandwich
The black and yellow caution tape was actually a caution to the inmates. If you step pass that line, you get an ass-whooping hahahah
Joking aside, that is essentially what those lines really are.
Why would you possibly design this space so that inmates could walk behind the officers?? Ludicrous. Open concept offices have gone too far!
A friend of mine was inside a lot during the 90’s. He says he stands like the inmate there with his hands behind his back to seem non-threatening. He tends to do this when he’s angry with someone, but wants to talk to them first. My guess is the inmate was doing the same thing. Dunno if he planned to attack the guy or just got suddenly mad but he definitely had some kind of issue he wanted to talk to the guard about first. Just saying maybe it wasn’t planned? Or maybe the guy is just a nut with a reason he’s in there in the first place. Let me get back to my armchair.
Hiding your hands is not non-threatening, especially if it doesn’t match the situation. It can be pretty clear from someone’s tone what they really think.
hiding your hands like that to me would signal a knife
Inmates are there because if their poor decision making abilities. Sometimes this is literally from brain damage or genetic.
‘You’re stuck in here with me!’
‘What u gonna do, arrest me and send me to prison??’
mate, we are the polis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9gRbhMugD8
> ‘What u gonna do, arrest me and send me to prison??’ Joking aside, solitary confinement is an option, and extended use of it can easily be state-sanctioned psychological torture. They have other enhancements to make time in solitary even less appealing. For example they can also take away clothing, turn the water off, and serve food in unappealing loaf form, just to name a few.
I'm not a jail expert by any means, but I thought once you jump a guard, a hundred other guards would rush in and destroy you. Am I the only one surprised by the lack of back up?
I am a Jail expert. Left as a Lt. from a Maximum security prison after about 18 years. It takes time to get staff there. Prisons and Jails are large places usually and every door is locked and controlled by electronic panels or Folger Adam’s keys(large brass keys) That’s also assuming that whoever was this persons partner in the tower or observation area saw what was happening and called for Assistance. There is also a litany of things that could be happening depending on what that facilities protocol is. In the 80s we had a riot that started where they assaulted an officer and when the others ran into help without looking or assessing the situation they were waiting behind where the door swung too and smashed the first man through in the face with a hard plastic food tray. Also prisons and jails are always extremely understaffed. There were nights where we had seven officers for 580 inmates. My guess is though officers are coming. Just takes a bit to get there. That’s why it always paid to be decent and fair to the inmates because sometimes they were the only help you had.
> That’s why it always paid to be decent and fair to the inmates because sometimes they were the only help you had. [you are right... after all the clips i saw of jailers getting help from inmates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouOnJQV97gM) >It takes time to get staff there. Prisons and Jails are large places usually and every door is locked and controlled by electronic panels or Folger Adam’s keys(large brass keys) people expect to be like in the movies where riot police is sitting near every door as soon fist meet meat they bust open the doors.
My first thought to some of these, “where are the guards?” questions was why do you think every town has “Correctional Officers Needed” signs outside the prison?
Pretty much, I live within an hour of multiple prison complex’s state and federal, as well several county jails. Everyone of them is hiring.
[удалено]
It’s a top down problem. Poor working conditions and inefficient and ineffective policies are almost always because someone in an office at headquarters thought something sounded like a good idea. There were many times I’d completely ignore policy changes and refuse to implement them because they weren’t practical or safe for officers or inmates. Poor policy forces good officers out, then you’re left with crappy CO’s, angry inmates, and little to no control.
[удалено]
I honestly can’t speak about for profit prisons because I have no experience with them, although my brief interactions with transportation companies, they didn’t leave a good impression. As for why they are hiring. It’s not a simple answer. No one’s really knocking down the door to work with violent criminals, face an average life expectancy of 55 years old, all while being exposed to communicable diseases and being diagnosed with PTSD at a higher rate than combat veterans. Also people aren’t fans of being spit on or having urine and feces thrown on and at them. Are there good men and women in prison/jail who made some mistakes and can be rehabilitated?absolutely. There are tons of them. It’s great to see those folks back in the community and thriving. However, there are also folks who refuse to make those changes to be better. All those things you listed like education work, if the person wants to take advantage of them. Not everyone can be rehabilitated. Lack of mental health results in many of those people being locked behind bars where they don’t belong as well. Because unfortunately that’s the safest place for them. Not everyone is built to work with the mentally ill so they quit as they realize the full scope of the job. At the end of the day the guys and girls going to work behind those walls have nothing to do with how the system is set up or designed. Those systems are put in place by politicians. I think anyone with any common sense can guess why politicians are willing to privatize prisons to multibillion dollar companies. I think the solution requires a massive culture shift away from the glorifying of crime to young adults, as well as accountability for our actions starting at an early age. I get the frustration but honestly, all of these problems are multi faceted and can’t be summed up by a few of us on Reddit with our couple of paragraphs. We all have our views which are shaped by our own individual experiences. I appreciate the dialogue though.
Excellently said. I run group therapy at a medium security state facility near me and the inmates really do have every opportunity to better themselves, whether it's education up to a free college degree, mental health services, tradescraft, fuck we even have a service dog training program that's super coveted and only the best behaved inmates get those positions. I regularly work with guys who are so excited to get out and THRIVE because they intentionally did the best time they could and decided to take their bid as a chance to self reflect and self improve. For many of them, I think they will. And then there the the guys that won't or can't work on the life-harming issues that landed them in prison in the first place. They do programming for the good time and say what they have to say and none of it touches them in a meaningful way. Or they just don't even do that and many of them learn worse behaviors on the inside due to traumatic experiences and who they meet. The unfortunate thing about prison is that you have to take both ends of the spectrum into account when you're there. If you set the facility up only for the guys that want to thrive you're making an extremely dangerous situation that the predators inside can easily take advantage of. If all you do is set the scene for dealing with predators then you stifle the chance of any real growth for the decent guys. It's a crazy tightrope.
Your post made me smile! My father (also a CO for 30 years )developed and instituted one of the first service dog programs (his program was for wounded veterans) for the prison system he worked in. He was so proud of that program and loved it.
That program is almost more effective therapy than the therapy I give. So many of these guys have never really had unconditional love before and now, after being in state level prison for who knows how long they get the opportunity to raise a dog from a puppy! I've had guys in that program tell me it's the first time they felt like they loved a creature that really loved them back. Cudos to your pops man.
He said that the guys would go out of there way to avoid violations because any write up and they were out of the program . The best behaved unit in his prison almost overnight. When he passed away one of the vets who got one of the dogs brought it to the funeral after seeing the obituary mentioning the program.
>These slaves are harvested by cops from disproportionately trolling minority neighborhoods. And you lost me. The whole "there's more crime in neighborhoods where police patrol more *because* police patrol there a lot" idea is bogus. Shit isn't going to change when you have the right idea and you slather it in bullshit that is demonstrably false.
> "there's more crime in neighborhoods where police patrol more because police patrol there a lot" I admit it's kind of subtle but you're arguing against a strawman. This is not what they were saying. They are saving arrests go up as a result of more patrols, not crime.
Yeah, honestly I could work doing much in life, and I'd be happy to help inmates rehabilitate... But working as their warden/guard ... Hell no.
Why the actual fuck would there be just an "officers desk" in the middle of an area where that office could be surrounded easily? Seems like a risky design...
It’s called staff secured and there are a few posts below that outline the thoughts behind it.
In jail these people typically aren't trying to fuck their lives up more by attacking cops
People think everyone in prison is a murder in for life. You aren't assaulting a prison guard if you you're only serving 3 years. That is a good way to serve 9 miserable years of harassment from guards.
This isn’t a super max with serial killers. Given that the prisoners are free to walk around and seem to be casually talking to the guard like they’re all friends it’s definitely just a jail or minimum security. These guys are going to be out in a couple years and definitely aren’t violent. There just happens to be one dumbass in the bunch. The other inmates immediately ran in to help the guard.
I spent some time in prison (not as a guard). Its been a long time since I got out, but I never saw a woman guarding male inmates. Guards are also rarely alone with this many inmates. Since there was a single woman guarding many men, Im guessing this is a minimum security prison or a big city jail. In my experience, whenever there’s a fight, inmates break it up quickly or they run as far from the fight as fast as possible. Nothing good ever happens to those in the area afterwards. I was surprised how the inmates in this video just stood around doing nothing. I would expect guards to flood that area in a few seconds and start kicking asses. The guy who attacked the guard is going to have a very bad day and probably get time added for this.
It’s a male officer. I thought it was a women also at first but it’s something black on the desk that makes it look like a female with her hair pulled up.
That makes sense. I still think that must be a minimum security prison or a segregated area of a larger prison since he was alone with so many inmates.
To me this looks like a county or city jail. Probably pre trial and sentenced misdemeanors. Which is why you see so many inmates seeming to try and stop it or at least move in the direction at first in case the officer was losing If this was sentenced felons they most likely would have done as you said and just went to their cells and locked down. These men are your mild offenders with charges like DUI, failure to pay child support, shoplifting etc. Edited for typo
I'm surprised there are a bunch of inmates allowed to wander freely around some guard desk
Might be a lower security area. Youll have more guards in high security areas. This set up isnt all surprising for low level security areas. The guard could also be manning a social work desk as jails may have case workers on hand to help with inmate processing (paper work, release forms, parole info, social assistant programs etc.)
>Might be a lower security area Probably is which also explains why the other inmates didn't jump in. 1. They probably are non-violent offenders to begin with or offenders that have shown they are at low risk of committing violence 2. They don't want to get moved to a higher security area where it'll be more dangerous and they'll have less freedom
My first thought was , *"Jesus Christ that security station is completely open and can be easily surrounded!"* And where the hell are the rest of the guards? I like the black and yellow caution tape though. I'm sure it's very effective.
Oh, I bet it is very effective. Cross this line without permission and you get 30 days in solitary.
It's part of the [evolution](https://www.lexipol.com/resources/blog/the-evolution-of-prison-design-and-the-rise-of-the-direct-supervision-model/): >Direct supervision jails focus on actively managing inmate behavior to produce a jail that is safe and secure for inmates, staff, and visitors. Staff interact continuously with inmates in the housing units, actively supervising them to identify problems in their early stages.
I worked at a max security mental health facility. I'd play softball with 30+ guys and 4 Aluminum bats. These are murderers, serial killers, etc...you can't just lock them up all the time
There are different levels of jail. This is low security. Fighter is probably in for a nonviolent offense...for now
Now he is
You need to check out some of the prison guard interviews on LADBible. Guards are people and get up to all kinds of bs.
Usually when a fight just begins its just the ones in the fight. It does take a few minutes for other guards to get to the location of the fight and having a bunch rush in could aggravate the situation causing more inmates to join the brawl. guards do need to move from point A to point B and cant do so immediately. Security level (based on the crimes of the inmates, for example murders are high level, graffitists are low level) of the unit/cell block can also effect the number of guards in the location. Higher level of security=more guards.
I work in a big city jail. At our jail, when something like this happens or a fight ever breaks out, the guard presses a button (on a little device attached to his belt) that send a signal to all of the closest/surrounding detectors on the ceilings (they are everywhere on the ceilings throughout the jail). This alerts the guards in Master Control (the ones who control all of the doors, elevators, paging overhead, etc) approximately where the chaos is. Then, master control pages overhead for the whole jail to hear “Code 2 main jail Unit blank blank” then they repeat it again and then they say “SERT camera on.” Then, a majority of the SERT guards go running to that unit and break it all up essentially. The SERT guards wear vests, helmets, have other equipment and gear, etc. there’s a lot of them. After they get situation under control, they then have to identify who all was involved and bring those inmates to medical (in handcuffs now) to be evaluated. They add charges to their record, etc. it’s a whole ordeal. But it happens all day, everyday. There’s different codes and they respond differently to each one which I could go into as well but it’s pretty crazy! Anyway, point being, all this said it takes time from the moment an officer presses that alert button, to the time master control pages it, then has to simultaneously start opening lots of doors for different areas for SERT guys to come from all over and has to also send the elevators to that floor, etc
This is just based on my experience so some may be different. Prisons are hugely understaffed for one. Guards have alarms on their person and also by the desks, so they'd have to press it first to alert anyone - then it would take a couple minutes for other guards to arrive depending on how far away they are. If he didn't manage to press the alarm, then he'd just pray that whoever's looking at the cameras sees what's going on.
Private prisons never hire enough guards. They have a small handful of guards to look after often thousands of inmates, whenever there's a riot at a private prison they call in the riot police on the taxpayer's dime and scapegoat the guards to take all the blame and scrutiny. Often times they'll only have ONE guard in the facility, locked up in the control room during nights. It's why private prisons are hell on earth for both inmates and staff. Source: am security guard who considered working in a private prison till I was convinced not to by a coworker who did that job.
I thought all the other inmates were going to join in beating the guard. Was surprised when they pulled him away.
Having the guard desk exposed and in the open like that seems like an incredibly dangerous safety risk
It’s called staff secure and it’s a bullshit idea started by dumbasses who didn’t have to work in it.
what was the line of thinking on this? how would being exposed in the back be safe?
There are several ideas behind it. One being officer presence can deter violations of facility rules. Also it allows inmates access to officers for any problems they may have. One complaint from facilities that don’t use staff secure models is that inmates needs and concerns are neglected because officers ignore them because they don’t have to interact with them as often. Some places have implemented cage systems to protect the officers but it’s not everywhere. It became popular in the 90s as corrections moved more towards a rehabilitation model from a punishment model.
Also that setup is piss poor, most of the time they place desks against a wall.
Putting the desk up against is probably worst, nothing has stopped inmates from jumping over them before and I would feel a lot better if I had more room to maneuver or escape.
The desk itself is a blocking device, you should definitely be able to read the temperament of the inmate and shouldn’t be sitting down when one approaches you anyways.
But there was a yellow line around the desk...
and everyone knows, you *never* cross the yellow line, or else
Dude there’s black and yellow caution tape, what else you need ?
I was going to joke about the yellow line not protecting him, but I guess the line is for protecting the inmates.
[удалено]
Guard is pretty isolated and vulnerable, no?
Counterpoint to people pointing this out. I think the only reason the other prisoners didn’t jump in was because he was in an open environment. Putting a guard out in the open around inmates may SEEM like a terrible idea, but doing so gives the chance for the inmates and guards to interact. This humanizes both sides from the perspective of the other. Having someone outside looking in leads to the inmates being viewed as less than because you’re literally looking down on them and, therefore, easier to abuse and visa versa. Putting them out in the open allows the officer and inmates to develop a rapport and get to know each other, humanizing each side. Which, theoretically, should leave to safer prison conditions and less violence.
Big bingo. It's a rehabilitative method that reduces the chance of prisoners offending again once released.
Yup, expected to see way more comments about that. His back is completely exposed when he's working on something on his desk. Super weird floor layout.
Yep, lots of jails are designed like this. I was a jail librarian and we would deliver books in the open pods just like this... one CO behind the lil desk. Then when we would deliver books, they would line up (about 50-75 inmates) and there was literally just a book cart between me and them. I asked to not ever deliver to the most violent offender pods as a young female. Although some of the older female librarians do and are hard af. So many of them have some fun stories.
The right was clean tho...
It's really wholesome seeing prisoners protect guards
it is. you'd be surprised how many prisoners aren't criminals.
Those two are not the same. Many prisoners are criminals and still protect guards.
my point was that there are still good people out there. sorry to offend.
Huh, whoa, that’s a guy who lives in my neighborhood. He showed me this footage last summer while our kids played at the local playground. This happened at the jail facility in Hillsboro, Oregon. I don’t remember the full story of what started it, but I remember it being very petty. The officer (my neighbor) was fine after the ordeal, he acted like it was a regular Tuesday at the office.
I work with some former prison guards and I’d be willing to bet, given his skill, he enjoyed the fight.
That was a clean right hook
I think that circle is only there to stop a seabear....
That's an oval. It has to be a circle.
Customer support got moves though
It’s kind if heartwarming to see the other inmates keeping the place clear. They didn’t necessarily help, but they let the guard do their job when it would have been so easy to just jump in and waste that guy.
Someone going to the SHU.
the one time I don't want an open desk layout
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/inmate-attacks-deputy-washington-county-jail/283-04b42fb8-424f-4725-98b6-a37b5a5eec7a
What idiot designed that layout that allows an inmate to get behind a seated corrections officer?
Fk that for a job. ‘Sit out there with the prisoners, watch your back’ Talk about high anxiety
It was nice to see other inmates supporting the guard
Honestly love how the rest of them are like “bro you’re ab to get 25 more years, chill out” helping the officer. Also that officer woke up and didn’t want, but was READY for violence. Dude’s got a mean right hook. Much respect to all correctional officers & inmates that understand these guys are just doing their job.
I’m no prison expert or anything but that seems like a horrid place to have an officer. 75% of them is exposed with no protection. Fuck that. What a badass though, through hands and rattled that criminal fuck like twice.
Wtf jail is this that the guards aren’t in a bubble?
I'm surprised that line that goes around the desk didn't stop him. That area is off limits.
So basically, working in prison is like working in retail or fast food.
The desk with your back open to the inmates is an extremely poor design choice
Why are people that can't fight so aggressive? I've never heard someone talk more shit than a man that absolutely cannot fight. It's like chihuahua syndrome
I feel like that desk is in such a vulnerable position in the first place. The back is completely exposed
Kept waiting for a giant voice to say “On Program!”
Wow, for a second I thought it was Walmart…
As former martial art practitioner the officer's defense was amazing. He did everything right is a shitty situation.
That guard has that DAWG in him, reached for a weapon then remembered his hands were already out, inspiring.
And no backup showed up. That guy was the backup I guess.
guard handled that about as best he could
Why the fuck is the guard doing his work in the middle of all the inmates like that? Seems stupid as shit honestly.
I’d say they were a bit understaffed for a situation such as that.
I love that the other inmate HELPED the guard 🤘🏼👍🏻
Is this like a position you get when demoted or?
The prisoner crossed the yellow and black lines. Like, wtf they all promised they wouldn't do that!
Always good to see the inmates jump in to help a guard
That guard can fight!
Nice design. Nice open desk where your back is turned to people who present a risk. What could go wrong.
Is it jail?? Looks like a mall.
Wheres the backup?
How to tell that you are a good prison guard, when the other inmates come to help you
Why would they make the guards desk so exposed?
no guards come out to help the other guard 🧐🥳😛🫣🥴🥴🥴🥳🥳🥳
Why wouldn't they put a cage around this workstation. Even county jails where I'm at would never have a CO just at a desk in the open in the common area. That makes no sense.
I love how the last dude in the white shirt just walked up and looked at him like “damn dude du fuck did you do?”
This made me so anxious for the Officer. I have a work-buddy that worked in a prison for decades doing stuff like this and he's tried to convince me to work there, but I'm good; regardless of how well you might be liked, one slip-up is enough scar you for life or kill you. My anxiety would not lend me to be 100% at a job like that.
the inmates for sure got closer to make sure the dude didn’t over step and kill her or anything. some of them were even cheering when he got apprehended.
Likes like they issued this guard a can of whoop ass as a service weapon. Hahaha
The antithesis of the statement every “cop” has no/horrible training. Appropriate awareness and escalation, from his solid defense of slipping the first swing, his timely and accurate counter (check out his form & weight xfer on that first right hook). This guy trains like it could save his life one day, oh yeah, it did.
damn that set up is fucked. i would never be comfortable with inmates walking around behind me no matter what level that prison is suppose to be.
What a terrible, dangerous spot that desk is in.
Why the fuck is that guard by himself with so many inmates around🤪🤬💯👍🏿🇺🇸. Could’ve been much worse!
I can’t imagine sitting at a desk where my back is turned to them
Fking douchebags like this should never be released.
That is the worst desk placement I have seen for a CO, you don't want inmates behind you if you can help it