You mean the AICPA that lobbied against increase in wages and overtime paid to public accountants because it would ruin the PA business model and partners wouldn’t make profits? Nah FUCK the AICPA
To be fair those are public members which is a common practice on these types of boards, they are usually people adjacent to the industry and very familiar with it and are there to provide a perspective from the outside but as individuals who use the services etc. If you look at your state board of accountancy or any other license chances are they too have public members
And specifically the new AICPA chair, yknow the one who’s a managing partner at a CPA firm? It’s certainly not a conflict of interest that her pay goes up the more she can reduce the pay of all the other CPA’s.
https://us.aicpa.org/advocacy/issues/departmentoflaborovertimerule
Their position is that it increases administrative costs... meaning pay for accountants.
https://us.aicpa.org/advocacy/issues/departmentoflaborovertimerule
From 2016. I believe the Trump admin ended up rolling it back, but the Biden admin is trying to expand it again. You can bet they're fighting it now too.
The truth is, allowing for overtime pay and better wages would not hurt parter profits in even the medium term, but it was the simple, short-sighted boomer decision to do the opposite. The fact is, raising wages for domestic employees would fix the pipeline and quality, and help partners in the future in exchange for some tough fee conversations today. Now partners of lesser generations live in the hellscape of having 1 domestic intern, 1 decent senior, and an offshore team that can’t be held responsible for anything, leading to nothing but headaches. But accounting partners are too spineless to have those fee increase conversations for whatever reason. Law firms are able to do it. But boomer accounting partners decided they’d rather outsource and kill the future of their model so the leaders can cash out today.
Tell me this - 5 years from now, when 80% of audit work is performed offshore, what is going to stop clients from the ever increasing realization that the work product is a joke, and the sand-in-the-gears approach of allowing india to now take over communication on many parts of the audit is just not worth the hassle for what are frankly fraudulent fee and billing practices deserving of a far lower bidder, namely a 100% Indian firm.
Industry finance leaders should lobby the SEC to allow audit opinions on firms for US listed companies be signed by 100% Indian firms. The big 4 have trained up and equipped their global competition, but US partners seem to think they can hog the golden goose forever all due to some legislative loophole. I say let the cannibalism of the profession truly begin, and only then will we see either a rush to return to some form of quality, that, or, most likely - a future of lower reporting standards and a permanent haircut on stock market valuations.
I just had an (state tax) auditor tell me that they "wouldn't be asking for the information until 4/16 since it's 'opportunity season'"! How nice of them to give me 24 whole hours!
First it’s a she. Second she clearly states “I’m sitting in a managing partner seat because I wasn’t afraid to voice an opinion respectfully when nobody else was speaking in the room or disagreeing with someone in a leadership position,” which is code for “I said what I needed to say to get in my position.” You know how hard that is to do?
/s
Nah, it's a he cause I said so, lmao you need to relax, "stop talking about the downsides of the job" is such a shit take and toxic behavior lmao bet she is single too
I remember a recruiter telling me that busy season was only february to april and that july to october didn’t count lmao
I’m sorry but my mandatory billable hours would like a word
Why? So more 18 year olds make ill-informed decisions so wages dont rise? I don't regret my choice but holy cow this is the beatings will continue until morale improves
I wonder how she takes request for increases in comp with this mindset “Best advice you’ve ever received: “Don’t be afraid to ask for what you deserve.”
One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Pay people more to deal with busy season, and have a slow season to balance out the busy times.
Work doesn't have to be fun, it just needs to provide people with enough money and time to support themselves. The nature of the job is deadline driven and seasonal, that type of work appeals to people.
It's not a problem there's a busy season. The problem is at large firms and at mid-size and small firms with greedy ownership, there is no slow season where workers can enjoy their lives.
For any accounting newbs who ask: "is it really that bad?"
Yes.
Look at how these Gen X gargoyles are attempting to dress up a turd.
But keep down voting me.
Give me a profession that pays adequately and doesn’t make me feel like a boring fuck teetering on being phased out for subpar international work and I’ll shut up about hours. I don’t care about the hours (within reason), I just want to afford a goddamn roof over my head and I want my personal life respected.
Every profession that has a busy season calls it busy season. It’s literally what it is: the busiest season of the year. Let’s just call it like it is and move on.
We really need to find a way to unionize and kick people like this out of their positions. She deserves to be on the streets.
Her name is Carla M. McCall. Let's spread it around and let everybody know who's responsible for the cool work we do.
if we cannot say " busy season.
i will say
"bending over for my boss and speeding my self open to be intercorsed up with no lube, no pay and pizza after ... while i cry on the tiles of an old gym shower season :)))
DAMN. THESE ARE GOOD.
I have some more:
“Free food on Tuesdays” Seasons
“Pizza Party Fridays” Seasons
“Gain 15 pounds” season
“Work late nights” season
“Work hard play hard” season
“The most important skill is relationship building because we’re in the business of trust.”
Fundamentally wrong. And, yes, we’re in the business of trust, but not just from our clients.
The bit about not saying busy season is pretty tone-deaf.
That said there is probably something to say about trying to change the culture of obsessively idolizing work and how busy you are. PA definitely has a problem with overzealous seniors and managers telling anyone who will listen about how they are sooo busy and worked sooo many hours which in turn pressures other staff to feel obligated to do the same and feeds into the burnout machine. The first step to changing the more toxic aspects of PA culture is for staff to put their foot down on overworking, which is much harder to do when people in the industry constantly glorify overwork rather than identifying it as something bad which the firms discourage.
She’s right. It’s not a season, it’s year round lol. Tedious detailed stress, 1000 small tasks done every day, wrist starts to hurt from moving like a maniac
When we can’t take any extended vacations over a period of 4 months then yes it will be referred to as busy season
Also, we really don’t do any “cool work” lol
I'm not even in university yet and she pisses me the fuck off. Words are used to express people's emotions, not the other way around. People don't look at the word "busy season" and then go, "oh I am stressed, this is difficult". Bullshit, instead of increasing wages for accountants and giving them paid overtime yall lobbied against it and now you want to censor people's critics ?
You are the new chair ? You are not welcomed, I hope you don't last.
Nothing is going to change except standards and how much more work we need to do in the same engagement timeframe. Oh and quality control running out of valued comments to give so begin finding petty things to correct that a peer review wouldn’t even look at. #efficieny
The number 1 rule nonstop busy season is you always talk about nonstop busy season
“If you die, walk it off.”
“It’s merely a flesh wound.”
You lie
Sure thing Cap
✅
“His name was Barry Melancon…his name was Barry Melancon…”
While he plays golf and travels the world with his mistress. Never say 'busy season'
The second rule of busy season is you always talk about busy season.
But... Did you die?
I wanted to
Just my mental health.
"We need to promote the work we do by lying about the work we do." Got it, boss!
“People aren’t enrolling in accounting programs so we need to lie to them so they choose this as a career path.” -Some dumb bitch
That's MISS dumb bitch McCall, to you!
MISS dumb bitch McCall, CPA, to you!
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Woah woah woah. You mean "sweeping it under the rug" 😏
I think we just call it “inconsequential amount” and ignore it. Yes, it’s tens of thousands of dollars. No, that’s not a material amount.
Tens of thousands? That’s child’s play. There’s materiality out there set that makes the GDP of some small countries immaterial.
There's no in between. Either we save the penny or write off tens of thousands.
And here I thought CPA’s were supposed to have integrity
You mean the AICPA that lobbied against increase in wages and overtime paid to public accountants because it would ruin the PA business model and partners wouldn’t make profits? Nah FUCK the AICPA
⬆️ ⬆️ Many people still don’t know about this
Nor do they know there’s multiple non-CPA’s on the board of the AICPA
To be fair those are public members which is a common practice on these types of boards, they are usually people adjacent to the industry and very familiar with it and are there to provide a perspective from the outside but as individuals who use the services etc. If you look at your state board of accountancy or any other license chances are they too have public members
And specifically the new AICPA chair, yknow the one who’s a managing partner at a CPA firm? It’s certainly not a conflict of interest that her pay goes up the more she can reduce the pay of all the other CPA’s.
It's not an audit engagement, so it was signed off by compliance.
A union being ran by bosses defeats the entire purpose of a union
Sauce? All I know is they make me cry because I can't pass the exams.
You can and you WILL! 💪🏻 It took me 10 attempts but nobody knows or has ever asked.
# HEY EVERYONE, THIS PERSON TOOK 10 WHOLE ATTEMPTS TO PASS THEIR CPA EXAMS
What do you call a person who took 10 whole ass attempts to pass the exams? A CPA.
Hell yeah. Can't Pass Again.
That’s dedication
It’s just the kind of mental strength we need for the busy season
Ummmm….I know now.
https://us.aicpa.org/advocacy/issues/departmentoflaborovertimerule Their position is that it increases administrative costs... meaning pay for accountants.
https://us.aicpa.org/advocacy/issues/departmentoflaborovertimerule From 2016. I believe the Trump admin ended up rolling it back, but the Biden admin is trying to expand it again. You can bet they're fighting it now too.
Wow - fuck AICPA
thats y i break the "aicpa code of conduct and share whats on the exam :))
Y’all do all the work, we get all the money! It’s the American way.
Don’t forget the AICPA now lets people overseas who’ve never worked or lived a day in their life in the US become US CPAs.
How?
The truth is, allowing for overtime pay and better wages would not hurt parter profits in even the medium term, but it was the simple, short-sighted boomer decision to do the opposite. The fact is, raising wages for domestic employees would fix the pipeline and quality, and help partners in the future in exchange for some tough fee conversations today. Now partners of lesser generations live in the hellscape of having 1 domestic intern, 1 decent senior, and an offshore team that can’t be held responsible for anything, leading to nothing but headaches. But accounting partners are too spineless to have those fee increase conversations for whatever reason. Law firms are able to do it. But boomer accounting partners decided they’d rather outsource and kill the future of their model so the leaders can cash out today. Tell me this - 5 years from now, when 80% of audit work is performed offshore, what is going to stop clients from the ever increasing realization that the work product is a joke, and the sand-in-the-gears approach of allowing india to now take over communication on many parts of the audit is just not worth the hassle for what are frankly fraudulent fee and billing practices deserving of a far lower bidder, namely a 100% Indian firm. Industry finance leaders should lobby the SEC to allow audit opinions on firms for US listed companies be signed by 100% Indian firms. The big 4 have trained up and equipped their global competition, but US partners seem to think they can hog the golden goose forever all due to some legislative loophole. I say let the cannibalism of the profession truly begin, and only then will we see either a rush to return to some form of quality, that, or, most likely - a future of lower reporting standards and a permanent haircut on stock market valuations.
Yeah let's just lie by omission instead of trying to solve problems.
How the world works nowadays. No trust, no integrity, no accountability.
Extra Fun Season
Character-Building Season
Accelerated Learning Opportunity Season
Pizza season
"family" bonding time
That’s some Dolores Umbridge vibes right there. She even dresses similar.
Bullseye on that comparison. Now I can’t unsee it lol.
I must not tell lies
iTs OpPoRtUnItY sEaSoN
Unironically used by my firm
Are you at CLA Edit to add… Wipfli uses opportunity season too. Gross lol
Wipfli is a CLA copycat 💀 its kind of insane
This is beautiful. I’m going to put a list together.
that's what they make us call it at CLA lmao
I just had an (state tax) auditor tell me that they "wouldn't be asking for the information until 4/16 since it's 'opportunity season'"! How nice of them to give me 24 whole hours!
Wow, another AICPA chair who will be actively harmful to the profession? How fun.
I’m guessing he doesn’t put in 70+ at the AICPA. So he can STFU.
First it’s a she. Second she clearly states “I’m sitting in a managing partner seat because I wasn’t afraid to voice an opinion respectfully when nobody else was speaking in the room or disagreeing with someone in a leadership position,” which is code for “I said what I needed to say to get in my position.” You know how hard that is to do? /s
Is there a respectful way I can tell Carla to get bent? That should earn me some respect points.
Just start off with "With all due respect ma'am"
Her 300 person firm has some odd criteria for picking MPs….
I used to work for her firm. It was effing toxic.
I believe it based on this article alone
Don't leave us hanging. I would love to hear more.
Nah, it's a he cause I said so, lmao you need to relax, "stop talking about the downsides of the job" is such a shit take and toxic behavior lmao bet she is single too
😂 “STFUYDMFFU”
Because there’s no non-busy season?
55 hours a week all year is the way
Always preferred Busy Season and Super Busy Season personally
And they wonder why people don’t want to be fucking accountants.
Not enough pizza
I, for one, love fucking accountants.
That’s a first.
They do too.
me🤝aicpa
I remember a recruiter telling me that busy season was only february to april and that july to october didn’t count lmao I’m sorry but my mandatory billable hours would like a word
“Didn’t count” 💀
They don't count if you're in audit 😁
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Seriously though. Shit leadership. The accounting profession is screwed and all we get for solutions is to stop talking about reality? Unreal.
Not only stop talking about reality - but promote a distorted reality, on purpose. For someone's benefit Smells like fraud to me.
Why? So more 18 year olds make ill-informed decisions so wages dont rise? I don't regret my choice but holy cow this is the beatings will continue until morale improves
I wonder how she takes request for increases in comp with this mindset “Best advice you’ve ever received: “Don’t be afraid to ask for what you deserve.”
I bet most people got turned off before they read that far down lol
People talk about the hours because they are awful. These firms will ruin your life. “Cool work” 🤣😂🤣😂
Cool work we do? It's so boring that sex workers call themselves accountants because nobody will want to ask more questions.
One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Pay people more to deal with busy season, and have a slow season to balance out the busy times. Work doesn't have to be fun, it just needs to provide people with enough money and time to support themselves. The nature of the job is deadline driven and seasonal, that type of work appeals to people. It's not a problem there's a busy season. The problem is at large firms and at mid-size and small firms with greedy ownership, there is no slow season where workers can enjoy their lives.
Eat shit Carla, don’t try to spin that shit, reconcile it!
Just needs some rebranding. Freeworkuary, Death March, Aprilpocalypse.
Pizza Party Season
“We will award slices based on utilization and realization scores.”
Stop calling them prison gangs, they’re mutual admiration societies.
Friend Groups For Hire
Call it “Busy Life Integration” because it never ends
She’s off the mark heavily but hopefully she’ll get on target here
Off the mark and off the map
This guy should be launched into the sun.
You should be proud and happy to be busy every day of the year!
Stop talking about how stressed you are, its bumming her out on her vacations.
Carla needs to STFU
For any accounting newbs who ask: "is it really that bad?" Yes. Look at how these Gen X gargoyles are attempting to dress up a turd. But keep down voting me.
Give me a profession that pays adequately and doesn’t make me feel like a boring fuck teetering on being phased out for subpar international work and I’ll shut up about hours. I don’t care about the hours (within reason), I just want to afford a goddamn roof over my head and I want my personal life respected.
Say…busy season is 365 days a year
Can't be a "season" if it's all year. *Taps head*
There is not fucking busy season. We are ALWAYS busy.
Every profession that has a busy season calls it busy season. It’s literally what it is: the busiest season of the year. Let’s just call it like it is and move on.
We really need to find a way to unionize and kick people like this out of their positions. She deserves to be on the streets. Her name is Carla M. McCall. Let's spread it around and let everybody know who's responsible for the cool work we do.
It's a Busy Career. You work to death. Stop saying busy season.
Let’s instead call it Squeaky Bum Time!
Oh for sure, I've always found that if you ignore your problems, they just go away! /s
I think I understand the point they’re making. If it’s year long is it a season?
Wow. Fuck them.
Sounds like Carla wont be lasting long in their new position.
to the guillotine, now
“Partner’s New Boat Ain’t Paying For Itself” Season
thats y i break the "aicpa code of conduct and share whats on the exam :))
AICPA: There are no busy hours in Ba Sing Se. But seriously, can these AICPA idiots (I will refrain from being harsher) retire or quit and get lost?
“Hate my life Season” sounds the most realistic description
if we cannot say " busy season. i will say "bending over for my boss and speeding my self open to be intercorsed up with no lube, no pay and pizza after ... while i cry on the tiles of an old gym shower season :)))
Protagonist Origin Story Season
Such a joke, it needs to be promoted more about how shitty accounting is so something will change
Mental Health Awareness Season
"Three-day Friday Season" Everyone likes Fridays, right?
DAMN. THESE ARE GOOD. I have some more: “Free food on Tuesdays” Seasons “Pizza Party Fridays” Seasons “Gain 15 pounds” season “Work late nights” season “Work hard play hard” season
Keep them coming!
🤣🤣🤣
“You don’t need to change what you’re selling, you just need change how you’re selling it.”
Taking company office supplies to feel like I have control, season
“RTM Supervised Season”
“The most important skill is relationship building because we’re in the business of trust.” Fundamentally wrong. And, yes, we’re in the business of trust, but not just from our clients.
Carla is a fooking moron then…
Shit like this is why I took my accounting degree and went into IT Audit and now IT Risk.
Shitty season
Shitty SZN it is
Lol, what a crock of shit. Like telling a depressed person to just be happy
The bit about not saying busy season is pretty tone-deaf. That said there is probably something to say about trying to change the culture of obsessively idolizing work and how busy you are. PA definitely has a problem with overzealous seniors and managers telling anyone who will listen about how they are sooo busy and worked sooo many hours which in turn pressures other staff to feel obligated to do the same and feeds into the burnout machine. The first step to changing the more toxic aspects of PA culture is for staff to put their foot down on overworking, which is much harder to do when people in the industry constantly glorify overwork rather than identifying it as something bad which the firms discourage.
We dont do cool work tho
lol this is becoming a new level of cult behavior
It’s just busy life
Parent edition: “Where’s mommy/daddy?” season
its just season bc its always busy. so just say non busy season and season
Great prolly another boomer that’ll be making stupid rules bc they can’t relate to the people. Awesome, basically let’s just lie to ourselfs
She’s right. It’s not a season, it’s year round lol. Tedious detailed stress, 1000 small tasks done every day, wrist starts to hurt from moving like a maniac
Carpal Tunnel Season?
why is she saying ‘we’? honest question
The AICPA is a glorified insurance sales company. Fuck em
Treat it like sports. There’s THE season, then there’s off-season.
When we can’t take any extended vacations over a period of 4 months then yes it will be referred to as busy season Also, we really don’t do any “cool work” lol
Busy season
bussy season then
New theme song: Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows!
If you ignore it, it will go away, right?
Can we just use Tampax sizes for each season? Light Regular Super Super Plus Ultra
Partner's son yacht season
When I worked at Big 4 my colleague took time off during “busy season” for the birth of his child and he got laid off soon after.
That is messed up👶
We once had a marketing firm want us to refer to it as “Prime Time”. Ugh.
The only Prime Time is Deion Sanders 💪🏽
I'm not even in university yet and she pisses me the fuck off. Words are used to express people's emotions, not the other way around. People don't look at the word "busy season" and then go, "oh I am stressed, this is difficult". Bullshit, instead of increasing wages for accountants and giving them paid overtime yall lobbied against it and now you want to censor people's critics ? You are the new chair ? You are not welcomed, I hope you don't last.
Preach
Alright, depression season it is. I mean that's just every day, but like double-declining depression season.
Pre-Layoff Season
💎 perfection
Wait…what’s cool about accounting?
Sending my resume to industry season
Résumé Polishing Season?
Many of the issues the profession has sits with the AICPA itself and its soon-to-be retired CEO.
It’s not busy “season” when it lasts twelve months
Death march sounds pretty accurate hahahah but aprilpocalypse takes the cake!!! Hahhhhaahahah
Lmfaoooooo I like prime time myself 😂😂
That shit ain't busy season, that's just a crappy lifestyle in public!
Nothing is going to change except standards and how much more work we need to do in the same engagement timeframe. Oh and quality control running out of valued comments to give so begin finding petty things to correct that a peer review wouldn’t even look at. #efficieny
The AICPA must be from Florida. If you don’t acknowledge it, it doesn’t exist. Like gay people, climate change and basic hygiene.
Yooo this shit funny af
Do you have to pay for the cpa exams every time you take it ? So if you fail you will have to pay for it each time u retake it ?