no that is WEIRD! dawg the whole "is the kid my brother/sister or niece/nephew" is weird enough on its own š i would cut off both of them as much as humanly possible until i could get out of there and then seek therapy bc that shit is SO fucked. im sorry ur going thru this dude, i can't even imagine holy shit. i hope ur coping okay
I feel like I am white knucklng my keyboard right now and haven't stopped shaking in about an hour. I know I will survive, but I just need to leave and I don't know how right now.
this might be overstepping but im around ur age (im 18) and i saw some of ur other replies where u said ur embarrassed to talk to ur friends, so if u wanted to talk or vent i could give u my insta.
that aside, you have every damn right to be as upset as you are and the fact that no one else in ur life is concerned... i can't even imagine how crazy that must make u feel but i promise ur not thats not okay in any moral sense and im so sorry ur going thru this, i hope u can find a way out of that hellhole asap
What a lovely gesture, op if you don't feel like you can speak to friends about this then take this offer. I personally would rather speak to a stranger in regards to this as I would fear my friends judgement. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
I understand her it is embarrassing
My father cheated on my mother for more than 17+ years and only stopped because I was getting his karma and she OD because he broke up with her.
I have not told anyone besides my sisters is embarrassing it feels like I shouldnāt exist.
I really do recommend to leave as soon as high school graduation and go NC with the parents and grandparents
I have a feeling this has happened in the past with other relatives thatās why they are not freaking out.
Do you have a friends house you can go to? I know there also must be a huge sense of shame around this but I think if you tell as many trusted friends and adults as you can you will receive the reactions you need and it will help you not feel so crazy and alone in this.
This may not be the best time or the most sensitive of comments (because this is supper messed up and it's totally valid to be distressed about this).
But I'd like to suggest the term sibling-nibling for this kid.
Just because it's a dumpster fire doesn't mean you can't roast some marshmallows.
Well get enough apple seeds like a handful grind them up put it in his tea or coffee it will look like a heart attack or if he takes the forever nap pigs will eat everything but the teeth fyi
I am fairly certain your reaction is accurate.
A 45 year old man getting a 23 year old pregnant is something that sets off red flags in normal circumstance. When the older man knew the person when they were much younger, that becomes a crimson flag.
When it is your daughter's half sister and could have been your step daughter, that is just insane.
No one should be ok with that.
I understand that people can fall in love but it really feels like he wanted a younger version of your mother and that is just freaky.
Its made me literally question everything about my Dad. I don't think I would have been super happy about him dating any 23yr old, but one that he has such a familiar connection with is literally making me spin. I can't be near them. I don't want to be involved with this.
I don't know how old your grandma is but I could *maaayyybbbeee* see why she'd have no issue if she's from old enough generations where it wasn't crazy to marry a SIL if you were a widower or something similar and sometimes, maybe, a stepdaughter. Doesn't mean it's okay though.Ā Ā
That said, judging by the ages here, I'm guessing your grandma isn't from one of those generations, she also raised this kid so I'd think she'd be more protective. Whole thing is skeevy for multiple reasons, I don't think you're wrong. Everyone else is under reacting but maybe they're swallowing it since there's a baby on the way. Still not okay.
Yeah, I wonder if the rest of the family is keeping their opinions to themselves because they want to be in the life of the new baby and/or want to make sure the sister has family around if he exits the picture again or if she wants to leave him. If they really are protective over her, they're likely worried that she'll cut them off if they express a strong opinion.
That said, I think OP is definitely in the right for wanting distance. This is disturbing.
Side question: you said your dad was "out of the picture" since you were 1. How out of the picture are we talking? I would normally interpret that as you haven't seen him in 16 years, no contact at all. But apparently he's still orbiting around your life in some regard to have contact with others. When are you currently ever near him?
Agreed this whole thing is quite fucked up though!
You really need therapy to understand everything you have been taught, came from an abuser. You have no idea what healthy relationships look like. Myself diagnosed ADHD, and CPTSD from childhood abuse.
Iām a firm believer that therapy doesnāt hurt anybody but youāre making an unfair assumption about OP and their understanding of healthy relationships. OPās post and follow up comments show that they absolutely do have an idea what healthy relationships look like. Not everyone is the same.
I'm a firm experiencer that therapy can hurt as in retraumatize people. Even the therapist with all the credentials often lack the emotional maturity and wisdom to truly help if you are deep in.
I donāt know why youāre downvoted, many people have had horrible experiences in therapy. Iāve personally had a great therapist but my gf went in to talk about her sexual assault with a university therapist and they gave her 0 empathy and shamed her for her past. Lots of therapists are downright evil
> You have no idea what healthy relationships look like
That's a shitty thing to say. How do you know that? And probably not true. I'm sure there are many normal people in their life.
And even if there aren't, information is so widely available nowadays a single rabbit hole trip through the internet could give someone an idea of what's not normal
It is most definitely messed up. If they were to get married, your father would then also be your brother-in-law. Which regardless of how old they are, that shouldn't be a thing that happens.
It just shouldn't be a thing. However, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You're not a part of what's going on by choice.
If you trust your friends, you should open up to them about it. Definitely should get some sort of therapy to figure it out.
Your mom not saying anything could be purely from her not knowing how to deal with it mentally.
I have come to the same conclusion. Its terrifying. I am looking at my entire life with a magnifying glass and trying to figure out what went wrong?
I needed an outside perspective because everyone irl is just minimizing this. My sister told me I was just a kid and to butt out. I told her she was just a kid too.
My family are all delusional. This isnt normal.
Openly judging them hard will only ensure that if abuse is going to occur, OP will never be in the know because sheāll never feel like a safe space for her sister and the innocent child.
Might be worth contacting FBI irkpolice and you don't know if
A - there's been grooming going on since before she was a legal adult
B - there's other dodgy stuff on his digital devices.
It's not about the "Adult" or "Age gap" .
Being a father figure in childhood and becoming a husband figure in the Adult hood ...! Thats abuse...
He is taking advantage of the father figure or the affection, the feeling of security every child gets from their parents.
This is Taboo...and how did you came to conclude his perspective about her changed during that family gathering...
But if they r in love given the fact she is pregnant, best not to reject it nor welcome it.The baby is innocent
The baby is going to be in the same position I am. Everyone who is supposed to be an adult is making decisions around us that we have to deal with. At this point I am close to claiming sister/niece/brother/nephew as my only family.
I would never blame the child. I put a lot of fault on my Dad for this. My sister is 23. She has been out of college like what, a year and a bit. She just keeps telling me I'm a kid and I won't understand, but she isn't helping me understand. Does that make sense?
Yeah. I think she knows the situation is messed up and she can't explain away the moral issues.
Being there for her would be kind, but it's not your responsibility to deal with all this and sacrifice your own mental health and safety.
They are adults, they are smart enough to figure this out themselves. You can leave, cut contact, whatever without being at fault.
you may be young but you sound like you understand it completely. your sister is trying to gaslight you into thinking youāre the weird one for thinking itās weird or that youāre too immature to understand it. but you understand it better than anyone else in your family. that shit is NOT NORMALā¦ and your dad is a predator. iām sorry youāre going through this. i hope you can get out of this situation soon. do not let anyone in your family try to convince you itās okay, because itās not. sounds like youāre the only one with a working brain here.
Your sister is also at fault, but there is no use pointing fingers now, but what to say if he leaves her for another one. There is nothing much you can do about it, but you should advise your sister to legalise things for her protection.
The one who controls his/her emotions with his/her wisdom is human.
And for you better be independent of him.
I both agree and disagree. As Dad knew Sister as a child, I am going to assume this is a case of grooming. As such, Sister had this normalized to her before this happened, and while it seems a huge no-brainer that this *isn't* okay, look how effective brainwashing is. A very real thing, and you can convince people of some actually unhinged shit.
The human mind is way too malleable, it's creepy to think about.
Tbf in this context grooming is likely to be involved sadly. So she isnāt necessarily really at fault. If itās started from a young age she didnāt even have the choice to be into him and do what he wants her to do
Iām sorry your dad is such a creep.
Becky obviously has issues from being rejected by your mother and her biological father, to be raised by your grandparents. Maybe this is a way for her to punish your mother.
Your dad is a creep. Heās doing this to take revenge on your mother. He obviously doesnāt care about how this will affect you.
I would not have anything to do with his new āfamilyā. Ever. Your other relatives may say itās ok, but you know itās not. If you ever have children in the future, do not ever let them around your dad. Your mother knows this is wrong too. Not sure why she wonāt admit it. Maybe she just doesnāt want to deal with it.
Not everyone remembers childhood abuse. You may have been abused and donāt remember it.
Iām so sorry OP. Iām proud of you for knowing the difference between right and wrong, and saying something.
It's making me question everything.
I don't want to ask them, but I feel like I need to talk to my friends and see if he has ever even made them uncomfortable or anything. I feel like I am just spiraling. I am googling how I can leave. We don't have a good relationship with my Mother. When Becky came to live with us, my Mother would just use her as free childcare. At first, it was just a few minutes, then it was hours, by he time she was 15 she was looking after me overnight.
Becky and I got on as well as we could, but for a long time, it felt like we were strangers. I do love her, but she isn't really like a sister.
I am shaking writing this, I don't think he has ever been inappropriate to me, but I don't know. I just feel like all the 'adults' in my life are not being adults right now. I need to leave but I don't know how.
Just try to remain calm and keep your distance for now. Maybe you can go away to college, the military or a trade school once you turn 18?
You have every right to ask questions. However, it sounds like your family members wouldnāt tell you the truth, even if they knew it.
Dude youāre so clever and mature for being in the know and youāre brave for calling it out and feeling grossed out!
Itās absolutely crazy and no amount of āloveā between your sister and your dad can minimise the psychological dumpster fire that is their relationship!
As someone who was abused as a kid by my father I constantly to this day (Iām 28) am told by relatives (including my siblings) that it was never that big of a deal or there were good reasons for certain behaviours. Girl run. Youāre too bright and too integrous to stay in wilful bliss and that is something you can be proud of for the rest of your life!
Iām prolly projecting but staying true to your intellectual moral compass makes you a powerhouse and youāre breaking the cycle.
With how protective OP's mother is about all this, it sounds more like some really gross bonding.
Like maybe the mother doesn't really see the sister as family, since she dumped her on her own parents, and now it's like two teen girls laughing over getting pregnant by the same guy.
Super messed up no matter how it's sliced.
The age gap, picking people up at a family get- together, and the 6 year difference between you and your sister/potential step-parent is all gross as hell. I don't know why no one else in your family is picking up on that. It's just disappointing to find out that your father is a base creeper and makes you want to rethink a lot of stuff.
Your mom and your grandma might be downplaying it because they want to remain in your sister's life. Idk your dynamic, but I've seen that happen a lot. Kid grows up, does some dumb stuff, and parents feel Iike they can't call their adult kids out because they'll lose contact with them.
Maybe just take some time and distance from them. And keep an eye from a distance, because 45 and 23 will always be a power imbalance. Your sister is pretty gross for banging someone her mom was married to, but your dad gets first place on the watch list. Make sure she's not all of a sudden running into doors or dropping a bunch of weight or quickly becoming a shadow of her former self.
And don't tell a lot of friends about this. Like, best friend that's met everyone and been around for a decade, and no one else. You need a confidante to talk to, not a whole class of people weighing in and talking shit and dishing gossip.
Selfishly, the last point is a major concern. I have been the subject of rumors in the past and I don't want to go down that path again.
I would like to say my dad isn't violent, but up until today, I didn't think he would knock up my sister either.
I can't give you a reason for my Mothers behavior, shes half acting like a friend and half like an excited Grandparent.
I think I am even coming to the reason that I don't know if my sister is going to be in a good place to raise her child. I didn't stick around long enough to fully hear the living situation discussion, but I believe they will be moving in together soon.
That's not selfish. It's already a lot to have on your mind, without a bunch of assholes stirring the pot. Rumors are no joke, and being the talk of the town is miserable.
If you have the option, therapy works wonders. A licensed therapist can't tell your business(unless there's a threat of imminent harm) and might be able to help you unpack some of this.
In life, unfortunately, we have no control over other people and their circumstances. You can weigh in, although it sounds like you're not close enough, and she doesn't want to hear it. So you just get to choose what you do and how you live and who is allowed to be around you, more so when you're an adult and on your own. Maybe start planning out what you're going to do and how you can move out or go to college/trade school and afford yourself some distance. Your family dynamic seems like it hasn't always been sunshine and rainbows, and gaining some distance helps gain perspective.
Getting a part-time job, applying for scholarships or grants, or dual-enrolling right now might help your future and give you a little distance while you digest this situation. All positive things that add to your future self, which also give you an excuse not to be around your family as much.
Also, this mess is not a reflection of you, just in case you need to hear it.
Unfortunately kids your age can be little monsters sometimes (so can adults). Your concerns are valid and you need to be extremely careful who you confide in, which makes it difficult for you to vent and work through your feelings. I'm sorry you're going through this. It must be very stressful and I can see why you're upset. Try your best not to be openly judgemental, but also try to keep a respectful distance so this situation doesn't eat you up.
You are not blowing this out of proportion at all. Your dad is a *BEYOND* grown man who knew MORE than better to leave a 23 year old kid alone. Sadly, there is nothing you can do except distance yourself away from these people when you can. They will continue to gaslight you into thinking this is normal (typical grooming behavior) until you wake up one day thinking having a brother/nephew is no big deal. They know this is wrong, that's why they kept it secret. Sadly your father was probably grooming your sister the whole time she stayed with you guys. I'm sorry, OP. ā¹ļø Seriously, what the fuck.
No I agree that is weird as hell. Your dad took some notes from woody Allan I see /s.
I'm sorry your family is like this, I would be freaking the fuck out too if my dad knocked up my half sister.
Your dad is a predator and you have every right to feel disgusted by this this isnāt normal your dad has probably been looking at her inappropriately her whole life this makes me sick to my stomach I couldnāt even imagine how you feel
It sounds like you're the only one reacting appropriately. I don't have any wise, super cool advice for you, but I can validate your feelings and tell you that you aren't crazy, you're right and the rest of your family have some fucking problems.
If you know how closely youāre related to, youāre too closely related to have any kind of romantic relationship. Even ākinda former stepdaughter/stepfatherā counts.
Ask your family about your relationship with your sister, do you call her mom now? cause she is technically your step mom and I think theyāre all ignoring that, that creates a crazy dynamic between your sister and you, like I would just make everyone as uncomfortable as I am, treat your sister like a step mom, not an ounce of sisterly love, and switch it and treat your dad like your brother in law, donāt respect anything he tells you to do, cause your brother in law has no right, like if you gotta be exposed to it, make it a living hell for them until you can separate yourself from the situation, idk maybe Iām petty or something but I would make them regret their entire relationship, cause thatās just so wrong, like no, she was prolly in diapers when he met her first or at least a child, I would distance where you can and where you canāt make them want to, Iām sorry that you gotta experience that, I literally couldnāt imagine
This is so smart ngl, like if they see nothing wrong then theyād be totally fine with this switch up right?? Honestly they got no right to get mad at OP if they do this, cause at the end of the day, this is basically what itās like now, donāt forget to remind your mom that sheās a half-mom(step-mom?) AND grandma to the baby. Iām sure sheād loveeee to remember that fact..
I have a similar situation to this as well, except NO ONE is okay with it. My (M15) oldest sister (F33) got married to my auntās ex husband behind her back and had 3 kids with him. Yes, you read that right MY AUNTāS EX HUSBAND. Mind you, me and my sister are full blooded siblings, and since sheās the oldest, sheās my auntās very first niece. My sister married him when she was about 25 years old and I believe he was around 50 at the time. Itās so nasty and messed up to think about. And get this, my sister told my cousins (my auntās kids that she had with her ex husband) that they have to call her step mom from here on out. I do not claim her as a sister anymore.
Your reaction is entirely appropriate.
The only justification for your mother and grandmother's response that I can fathom is that they don't want to push Becky away and they want to be her support system. They can't change the past and magic this all away so they need to keep in touch in order to help. I hope so anyway.
I thought this was the sims group after reading this..should read the sub name first šš
OP this is a gross clusterF, Iād be weirded out and grossed too and confused as to why everyone else is sitting cool with this.
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It's definitely messed up. Yes, technically they are not blood related, but he's essentially her step-dad and I would get her was probably eying her up when she was younger, just waiting for her to come of age. At best this is just a weird but unfortunate attraction, and more likely it is a predatory relationship with that 20 year age gap. And to anyone who says 20 years isn't a big gap, it may not be as bad for a 40 & a 60 year old but for a 20 year old, her partner is a whole lifetime older than her... it definitely is a bigger deal when they're younger.
I would sincerely freak out too and your reaction is obviously sane.
but at the same time, now that I am a bit older, I've come to learn that it is the type of unexpected shit humans do and that i (sadly) start to accept from life as an adult.
What sucks is that you are seventeen, and he is your dad, and at your age, you still need some semblance of family normalcy .so it goes right in your feels and you can't escape it, this is very fucked up and this is still happening. I am sorry.
I am 28 and only now am i able to kind of detach myself from what people do including very close ones.
Sometimes you think parents etc are "normal", "reasonable" because you see them as adults and probably responsible ones.
and one day they do some crazy shit like this and it is just life reminding you that humans are just very flawed and toxic to themselves, therefore to each other.
My advice, be selfish, focus on yourself, your dad is weird, your sister too. Yes you'll have a sister niece or brother nephew. You will cringe about it until you won't anymore and maybe you'll learn to love that baby who did not ask for any of this...
He might pretend that itās not a big deal because he wasnāt her āfatherā for long but 1. He was her stepfather 2. Itās your sister. So bottom line, he hooked up with his own childās sister.
Itās soo gross. I havenāt seen my daughterās 1/2 brother since he was a toddler. I can tell you, I would never think of š¤¢gross. I canāt even type it out.
I hope youāre able to get out of that dysfunctional messy family and have therapy to deal with it. The rest of your family not seeing a problem, IS a problem.
Let that ship sail far away and hop on a new ship. You have every right to feel the way you do, Iām with you on this, Iām taken back myself. Huge overstep in boundaries and everyone in your family being nonchalant is concerning. Blood related or not, thatās predatory behavior. He more than likely had that planned. Yuck. Iām sorry OP. If you need to talk, Iām here for you.
As a parent, the idea of having sex with someone who shares half of my son's DNA and is only 6 years older than him makes me wanna barf. No. Absolutely no. That is disgusting.
While I agree this is weird as shit, I'd recommend talking to a therapist or counselor about processing this, because it's a lot to take in, and not something where you should be getting feedback from Redditors.
Dear OP,
Youāre entirely right. All of that is an absurd including the fact that others are pretending they canāt see or care.
Be careful with your own sanity. Because society as a whole has lost a lot of its structure (I lived in many countries and can tell this is a phenomena everywhere).
The problem is you probably mentioned that to some people expecting they resonate with you and instead they said it is ok. Isnāt it?
Keep distance from such things. It doesnāt do any good to you. Keep around you friends and family that share your values. Cut all the rest. Such things damage you because you have values. Protect them, preserve them and pass it forward.
Hope I have helped.
Congrats on being the only normal person in your family. Don't let go of your sanity, as much as everyone is trying to trivialize your very correct reaction. Don't let your guard down. Remember that your father is indeed a predator and that he's not about to just settle down and be normal now. This is what he is, and this kind of thing will likely happen again (or at least he'll try).
I'm sorry that you're being gaslit into thinking that this is even 1% acceptable.
āTrynna strike a cord and itās probably a minorrrrrā
Ik sheās of age but as a father that was definitely an early interest his sick ass was having
Omg. This is so gross. I'm so sorry this is your life. Please leave and never return to these people when you are able to take care of yourself as an adult. Stay strong op
So your dad got your half sister pregnant what the actual fuck! That is predatory as fuck! Did he groom her as a child? What girl in their right mind would have relations with a man who is supposed to be a father figure. Is it possible they did things before she was 18? If not why did she suddenly have an interest in your father? Sounds to me like your dad is a sexual predator
I have family like this in my family tree. One of my aunts married a practicing polygamist Mormon, and as a kid spending the night at their house, I was always confused about why my cousins had the same father, but different moms, and how they all lived together. Nobody ever said anything about it when I was little.
It was only as an adult (I'm now 51, and he's long since died of old age) that I found out that he was "church" married both to my aunt (legally) and to two other women, *one the mother of the other(!),* through the church... all at the same time... all living under the same roof. (And that my own mother AND grandmother had been offered to "join him" but refused --- more like noped right out of --- the offer.)
So yeah, I have experience with weird.
My advice: learn to live with it. You're not going to change it. You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family. In my case, my uncle was a very fiscally responsible man, if not the best father, with a weird family.
Your half-sister is still your half-sister. Your dad is still your dad. And now you have a new niece/half-sister. (or nephew/half-brother). That new baby is not at fault for what happened, and you can either make his/her life miserable or love them for who they are.
Everyone around you is going to think it's weird because it is weird. You're going to be embarrassed by this. Nothing you or they can do (at this point) will change this fact. Try to calm down and accept it for what it is.
Today my uncle and aunt are both dead, only one of his wives remains. Their kids all scattered to the winds. The only biological relations in that part of the family I have left is a cousin, one cousin once removed, and one cousin twice removed... all of whom live happy "normal" lives. (There are lots of other kids, but they aren't biologically related to me since I was only biologically related to one of the wives.)
Umm I have a sister/cousin. Dad married mom's cousin, then her.
It was a huge secret until we were teens. I rarely see her but sometimes I smh at my parents choices.
Honestly you'll need to get past it bc the baby is still an innocent and will need a "normal" human in their life
It's okay to be upset and confused. Maybe talking to a counselor or a trusted friend could help you process your feelings. You don't have to be okay with this if it doesn't feel right to you. Setting boundaries and expressing your discomfort is important. Stay strong, and take care of yourself!
It feels kinda embarrassing telling my friends. It just sounds so ridiculously wrong. This is why my brain is breaking, like who can't see that something is wrong with that? I have just been sat in my room while they are all downstairs talking about babies. My Mother is just blank. She was never the most maternal figure, but you would think she would have something to say about the father of one of her children impregnating her other child.
If your mom is "just blank" then my guess is she's dealing with this in whatever way she needs to right now; could be repression or shutting down, or maybe she's putting on a brave face for the family cuz she knows what's done is done and it's too late to save her daughter.
Your sister was most likely the victim of grooming, so try not to be too hard on her. Hopefully she'll come around eventually and be able to acknowledge how fucked up this situation is. If I were in your shoes I would want to be available to help her when she leaves your dad, but that might mean being in their life until then and it's understandable if that's something you can't do.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this. And I'm sorry that your dad isn't who you thought he was. I hope you find a way to live with this that feels right for you.
That is very weird.
However, the reality is that there is nothing illegal about it. But more importantly there's nothing you can do about it.
Freaking out about it isn't going to change the situation.
It's a thing that has happened. One of the most important life lessons I had to learn is what things in life to freak out about and what things do I just need to let go.
A question I would ask myself if I were in your shoes is what kind of relationship do I want to have with my dad and sister. The answer to that question will determine how you should respond to the situation.
Pretty sickening. Also sad that the only one who is having a normal reaction to it is the 17yo who will have a half sister that is also a cousin in about 6 months.
Sorry this is happening to you, kid.
This situation is something straight out of Shakespeare to be honest with you, yes you should be freaking out lol! I thought it was weird I have a friend who his brother married this girl and they ended up having a child. Unfortunately, he passed away from an overdose and my friend married his brother's widow (aka his sister in law) and basically adopted his son (so I guess the son became a nephew-son to him, I really don't know?). Unfortunately, the mother ended up passing away as well from an overdose later when she was with my friend. I thought that was weird but this makes that situation look 100% normal.
Ok, first of all i want to Thank God because your heading gave me a mini pain in the heart but I'm fine now.
Secondly ya it's wierd but accept it, it your life now. Max to max you do is go NC with all once you turn 18.
Yeah, that's definitely a bit weird. Your reaction is perfectly normal. Unfortunately, there's not really anything you can legally do. They're not biologically related, which eliminates any kind of laws around incest. The best thing you can do at this point is to stay in their lives, especially for the sake of their child. They're probably going to start asking a lot of questions in a few years, and it will be important to have a family member like you by their side.
I am so sorry. This was a common practice over 150 years ago. Today not so much as we do not need to further the population as much. Old mentality, not a wrong one. āDo not judge lest ye be judgedā. Definitely not for me lol.
I don't think this makes your dad is a pedo, but he is a certifiable creep if for no other reason than you're about to have a sibling that is also going to be your niece or nephew jeez. Also it sounds like your family in general is lacking some boundaries. Grown folks are grown, but if you decide to have children of your break the cycles, teach your children that stuff like this is not ok. They don't have to be hostile to Aunt Becky, their cousin or their grandfather but they definitely need to know that these lines shouldn't be crossed.
It is weird and it does sound a little predatory. Your other family members are focusing on the no blood relation to make it ok in their minds.
Your gift, tho, is that you can step back and not be in their lives much and then even less when you are 18, if youāre physically able to and want to.
Youāre not over reacting, your family is normalizing something quasi-incestuous and itās making you feel insane. Your dadās a predator, sorry. And you should get into therapy when you can and start planning on distancing yourself from these people. This is beyond fucked up and nauseating.
You are not blowing this out of proportion. I think youāre just surrounded by sick people who are incapable of seeing how absolutely repulsive and fucked that is. Iām sorry youāre experiencing all of that especially without any reassurance From people who should be agreeing with you that this isnāt right. Nor should it be accepted by all of them under any means. Iām honestly shocked obviously not as much as OP but itās insane to think people like this exist and itās even worse to think they donāt show their true self until itās too late and theyāve done things that can never be forgotten. I wish you luck OP but please know you are not wrong for being angry and youāre not blowing it out of proportion. Theyāre just not as shocked as you bc itās likely their in denial or WORSEā¦ they donāt see anything wrong with itā¦ I suggest you cut ties with all of these people itāll do a great justice for you and your future if you stay far the fuck away and let them handle their disastrous circumstances on their own.
Super weird and inappropriate but legal and fair game unfortunately. They arenāt blood, itās gross and definitely could be seen as grooming but all in all itās legal.
As someone a year younger than you, you are acting completely rational, your family however, is downplaying this situation so hard, when you can, cut contact, not completely, just enough so you donāt have to deal with their bullshit anymore.
I also recommend therapy, a licensed professional can help you work through this, though your family might also need group therapy..
I wish you best of luck, this seems so horrible, I wish everyone snaps outta it and realize this is nowhere near okay. It sucks that you have to rethink your entire life now because of this, but at least you get to see who your dad truly is.
This really is disgusting and you should tell him and the rest of your family so every time you get a chance. Be cruel about it if you need to. Tell them how much they disgust you and that the rest of the family should be ashamed to be accepting a grooming pedo into their lives so easily. Tell your sister she is a victim and your dad that you can no longer look at him the same way. This was more than a mistake, it was most likely happening for a long time behind closed doors. She may be an adult NOW, but you mentioned they were hiding this for a long time until the pregnancy made it obvious. That is one of the reddest flags I can think of. There are times to forgive and accept people for who they are and what they have done. This is NOT one of those times. Be a scathing bitch. They don't deserve pity.
You are not blowing this out of proportion - this is messed up and it sounds like your family doesn't understand boundaries. What the hell is your sister thinking sleeping with a man who dated her mother? Why doesn't she have a red flag that he was married to HER MOTHER??!!!! What's your dad thinking sleeping with his ex's daughter and your sister? Is he so selfish he didn't think about the effect it would have on your relationship with him? Create distance with them...they are messed up.
Whatās your thoughts on āaccidentally leakingā this info? Maybe, a little shame their way wouldnāt be too bad? #%^* Sorry, I got a little distracted by the banjosā¦.
I literally didn't have to read the whole thing...just the obvious points to say.....it's not technically incest BUT IT IS!!!! ITS DISGUSTING AND NOW YOUR DAD SHOULD BE SUPER SUSPECT IN EVERYONES EYES. His whole life and interactions with young girls should be dissected... especially the interactions with your sister when she was a minor..I could bet my bunyon that THERE WAS SOME PEDO SHIT GOIN ON... It's sad you have to go through this but at least it has given you the most valuable life lesson YOU CANT TRUST NO ONE NOT EVEN FAMILY EVERYONE IS SUSPECT
OP I recommend confiding in a close friend..when I was being groomed as a younger replacement for my mom's boyfriend I noped tf outta there to my best friends house and her mother treated me like her own child.
It doesn't always happen but I highly recommend trying.
Itās pretty weird and gross but sheās old enough to consent and they arenāt biologically related so theyāre technically not doing anything wrong. You donāt need to support it or be happy for them though.
I'm baffled that your mother isn't freaking out with you. This situation is absolutely disgusting and insane. I'm sure he groomed your sister very young and she doesn't know any better. I would distance myself from all that if I was in your shoes. Jesus Christ, I wanna throw up just thinking about it.
Reminded me of a friend's sister was 21 when she first got pregnant by a dude who was at least in his late 40s if not early 50s and has known her since she was in her early teens, if not an adolescent.
She just had his 2nd kid a couple of months ago at the age of 24.
Small town in a red state.
Ur reaction is normal, OP. Love is love, but there are social limitations when it comes to age gaps like that.
are y'all in the US? many countries have laws against this. I come from an incest-heavy family (I would never do that though!!) so I get it. it sucks SO much and I am very sorry. also, that kid probably should be aborted due to potential health issues....
Oh dear god.
Iām sorry your parents (mostly your dad, but mom is being very weird) are so irresponsible, immature, and that your father and sister (more so dad than sis, but she **is** an adult and I donāt know enough to really say) are justā¦ icky.
Iām concerned about your father being, well? Maybe a predatory groomer, maybe just an icky old man (I say this as a 43/f married to a 47/m for 22 ++ years with three kids) who likes women far too young for him.
I feel so bad for this baby they are bringing into the world, and for you.
You have **every right** to be as angry and grossed out as you feel. They are wrong and this is creepy.
Wow, that sounds really tough. It's okay to feel shocked and upset about what's happening. Talking to someone you trust could help you navigate this complex situation. Your feelings are valid, and it might be helpful to express your concerns calmly to your dad and sister. Taking care of yourself emotionally is important right now.
and i(f25) thought i had it bad when my ex best friend(f24) started seeing my dad(m50) (we became friends when we were 14/15 and they started dating when she was 20) š¬
Where do you liveāin a remote part of Appalachia?! Who thinks incest. Is no big deal? Putting middle class values aside, reproducing so close in relationship is what leads to a whole bunch of problemsāitās not the stuff from which geniuses nor athletes are made.
So it's like Errol Musk and his stepdaughter except Jana doesn't have a half sister fathered by Errol.
Like you said, it's probably the most weird for you due to the niece/sister relationship you are going to have with the baby. For your mother, it's just going to be a grandchild. Don't get me wrong, it's still shockingly weird.
The age gap is pretty nuts but I mean sheās 23 so itās whatever I guess. Itās not that uncommon if you think about it. But the fact that he kinda knew her as a little kid cause he used to hook up with her mum and still went for this is bananas to me.
People are gonna judge the living hell out of them, especially on Reddit hahahaha
But at the end of the day sheās an adult and they arenāt related so social judgements aside, there is no foul play here. Best you can do is respectfully let them know that the situation icks you and either cancel your dad or not. But asking people on Reddit about it to confirm your opinion doesnāt help much since people usually donāt condone this kind of behaviour from 45 year old men, whether he knew the girl prior or not.
Youāre gonna need some therapy after all this, and itās gonna cost you a lot more then the 2 cents our opinions on here is worth.
Pity Jerry Springer isn't on TV any longer! But what can I say, I live in Arkansas (not from here through), where the start motto is, "The closer the kin, the deeper in".
While I may not give a fuck about the general twist of it, what I DO care about is the power imbalance and possible manipulation. I've done a lot of bad things in my life, but I've never used power, manipulation, or asserted control over ANYONE for sex and it frosts my ass when I do.
You're not overreacting, you're not weird (but they sure as fuck are), and you have every right to be upset over it. Unfortunately, there's NOTHING that you can do about it, especially since it seems everyone else is ok with it. I've never really acted as my stepdaughter's dad either, but damned if I'd try to fuck her, much less have a kid with her.
Eww. How could anyone even THINK of being with their child's sibling?? You are not overreacting. For you, it's your dad and your sister. Plain and simple.
Shoot, I am 40. I STILL see my 35 year old nephew as the little 5 year old terror! I see his 35 year old friend as the clumsy 13 year old I met when I was 18. I consider him my nephew too. And it is just weird that they are adults doing adult things. They will always be babies to me. Idk... idk... it's like that Genetic Sexual Attraction thing.
This is so messed up.
Your family needs to wake up and see that YOU will be affected. If they got married your sister would be your step mom and half sister and your dad your brother in law. In what world is that acceptable, except the blue blood supremacy period of marrying family for the Royal blood line???
Also what about the kid? The kids not gonna be weirded out that theyāre gonna have a double relativ?
In what universe is that normal. What time clock did they spin?
Your dad got it on with your sister, that sentence shouldnāt exist. If your dad cared he wouldnāt have even considered it because thatās YOUR SISTER.
My father is questionable with his dating history BUT he never ever considered my half sister (not his blood) as a possible partner. Not in a million years, he dated and married someone WAY outside of that.
Like do they not even think of how fucked it is for YOU. Like maybe they donāt see the fact that you will have a sibling nephew, ask them if that sounds normal.
Wellā¦ iām no one to comment this but everyone here sharing their perspectives is not gonna help youā¦ youāre trying to make your point of view justified. Try thinking it with a different angleā¦ just like a sitcomā¦ iām sorry but yeahā¦ it helps me when things in my life goes the other way aroundā¦ as you cannot control other peopleā¦ as itās THEIR choiceā¦ it might be wrong for you which is absolutely understandable. What you can do is be calm and let people live their lives their own wayā¦ I know itās easy to say butā¦ itās reality and you gotta face it with honour.
I just want you to know that you aren't the only one who has gone through this! My brother's ex-wife cheated on him with her step dad who was still married to her mom at the time. He's been in her life since she was 12. It's disgusting and I'm so sorry that everyone is acting like it's not a big deal. The same happened to my bro's ex... It's so hard because she had 2 kids before being with my bro. They called her stepdad (now husband) Grandpa. They now call him dad and she has 2 kids with him. So all together there are 4 kids in this mess. I just don't know how people like this can show their faces in public.
My grandmother's husband (not her first husband) "fell in love" with her daughter (my aunt) when she was a minor. She was probably about 15 when they began their secret relationship. Years later, he ended up marrying my aunt. She was already a divorced mother by the time he decided to marry her, and surprise surprise, he suddenly became interested in her daughter (my cousin).
A predator does not stop being a predator. Should you have children in the future, keep them away from this man.
no that is WEIRD! dawg the whole "is the kid my brother/sister or niece/nephew" is weird enough on its own š i would cut off both of them as much as humanly possible until i could get out of there and then seek therapy bc that shit is SO fucked. im sorry ur going thru this dude, i can't even imagine holy shit. i hope ur coping okay
I feel like I am white knucklng my keyboard right now and haven't stopped shaking in about an hour. I know I will survive, but I just need to leave and I don't know how right now.
this might be overstepping but im around ur age (im 18) and i saw some of ur other replies where u said ur embarrassed to talk to ur friends, so if u wanted to talk or vent i could give u my insta. that aside, you have every damn right to be as upset as you are and the fact that no one else in ur life is concerned... i can't even imagine how crazy that must make u feel but i promise ur not thats not okay in any moral sense and im so sorry ur going thru this, i hope u can find a way out of that hellhole asap
What a lovely gesture, op if you don't feel like you can speak to friends about this then take this offer. I personally would rather speak to a stranger in regards to this as I would fear my friends judgement. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
Youāre a sweetheart. šš¼
I understand her it is embarrassing My father cheated on my mother for more than 17+ years and only stopped because I was getting his karma and she OD because he broke up with her. I have not told anyone besides my sisters is embarrassing it feels like I shouldnāt exist. I really do recommend to leave as soon as high school graduation and go NC with the parents and grandparents I have a feeling this has happened in the past with other relatives thatās why they are not freaking out.
Do you have a friends house you can go to? I know there also must be a huge sense of shame around this but I think if you tell as many trusted friends and adults as you can you will receive the reactions you need and it will help you not feel so crazy and alone in this.
This may not be the best time or the most sensitive of comments (because this is supper messed up and it's totally valid to be distressed about this). But I'd like to suggest the term sibling-nibling for this kid. Just because it's a dumpster fire doesn't mean you can't roast some marshmallows.
A snibling, as it were...
I like it! Someone add this word to the dictionary
Well get enough apple seeds like a handful grind them up put it in his tea or coffee it will look like a heart attack or if he takes the forever nap pigs will eat everything but the teeth fyi
And maybe nails and hair
That's so true. Like, what is OP even gonna call the baby and her sister in the future? This whole entire thing is weird af
In the name of humanity, what in the effing Targaryen is this?!
This is exactly how we end up with dragons burning down a town.....
Do you guys want a Mad King Aerys?? Because this is exactly how you get a Mad King Aerys!!
And look how well that turned out....
"I will not be a queen of smoke and ashes!" (hears a bell) "all yall gettin clapped up. It's over with"
Username checks out
Worst writing in the history of television.
Sodom and Ghomorrah
I don't know but I feel slightly better now about my dad dating his first cousin who he grew up seeing all the time.
Thereās your cousins, and then thereās your first cousinsā¦
Thank goodness first cousin for the win !š„
Tell them congratulations š¾
Another uncle daddy story ughhhh hopefully not true
I am fairly certain your reaction is accurate. A 45 year old man getting a 23 year old pregnant is something that sets off red flags in normal circumstance. When the older man knew the person when they were much younger, that becomes a crimson flag. When it is your daughter's half sister and could have been your step daughter, that is just insane. No one should be ok with that. I understand that people can fall in love but it really feels like he wanted a younger version of your mother and that is just freaky.
Its made me literally question everything about my Dad. I don't think I would have been super happy about him dating any 23yr old, but one that he has such a familiar connection with is literally making me spin. I can't be near them. I don't want to be involved with this.
I don't know how old your grandma is but I could *maaayyybbbeee* see why she'd have no issue if she's from old enough generations where it wasn't crazy to marry a SIL if you were a widower or something similar and sometimes, maybe, a stepdaughter. Doesn't mean it's okay though.Ā Ā That said, judging by the ages here, I'm guessing your grandma isn't from one of those generations, she also raised this kid so I'd think she'd be more protective. Whole thing is skeevy for multiple reasons, I don't think you're wrong. Everyone else is under reacting but maybe they're swallowing it since there's a baby on the way. Still not okay.
Yeah, I wonder if the rest of the family is keeping their opinions to themselves because they want to be in the life of the new baby and/or want to make sure the sister has family around if he exits the picture again or if she wants to leave him. If they really are protective over her, they're likely worried that she'll cut them off if they express a strong opinion. That said, I think OP is definitely in the right for wanting distance. This is disturbing.
Side question: you said your dad was "out of the picture" since you were 1. How out of the picture are we talking? I would normally interpret that as you haven't seen him in 16 years, no contact at all. But apparently he's still orbiting around your life in some regard to have contact with others. When are you currently ever near him? Agreed this whole thing is quite fucked up though!
OP's half-sister's dad was out of the picture, not hers.
Nah OPs dad was also out of the picture. First paragraph of the op
You really need therapy to understand everything you have been taught, came from an abuser. You have no idea what healthy relationships look like. Myself diagnosed ADHD, and CPTSD from childhood abuse.
I think she's pretty aware that the relationship is not ok by any means.
Iām a firm believer that therapy doesnāt hurt anybody but youāre making an unfair assumption about OP and their understanding of healthy relationships. OPās post and follow up comments show that they absolutely do have an idea what healthy relationships look like. Not everyone is the same.
I'm a firm experiencer that therapy can hurt as in retraumatize people. Even the therapist with all the credentials often lack the emotional maturity and wisdom to truly help if you are deep in.
I donāt know why youāre downvoted, many people have had horrible experiences in therapy. Iāve personally had a great therapist but my gf went in to talk about her sexual assault with a university therapist and they gave her 0 empathy and shamed her for her past. Lots of therapists are downright evil
> You have no idea what healthy relationships look like That's a shitty thing to say. How do you know that? And probably not true. I'm sure there are many normal people in their life.
And even if there aren't, information is so widely available nowadays a single rabbit hole trip through the internet could give someone an idea of what's not normal
I agree too I question my own father too and if he ever did mean everything in life
Donāt be!! Tell them you think they are both SICK and never talk to them again (unless your sister comes to her senses someday)
Literally HIS EX WIFEāS DAUGHTER
Yeah this isnāt about love. Heās a peto and perving on her and sheās got SEVERE daddy issues and thinks this will fix themā¦
It is most definitely messed up. If they were to get married, your father would then also be your brother-in-law. Which regardless of how old they are, that shouldn't be a thing that happens.
OH.MY.GOD. I didn't even think of that.
Isn't your mom disturbed that your sister had sex with the same man as her??????
It just shouldn't be a thing. However, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You're not a part of what's going on by choice. If you trust your friends, you should open up to them about it. Definitely should get some sort of therapy to figure it out. Your mom not saying anything could be purely from her not knowing how to deal with it mentally.
And her sister would become her step mum
Sounds like your dad is a bit of a predator. Iām sorry.
I have come to the same conclusion. Its terrifying. I am looking at my entire life with a magnifying glass and trying to figure out what went wrong? I needed an outside perspective because everyone irl is just minimizing this. My sister told me I was just a kid and to butt out. I told her she was just a kid too. My family are all delusional. This isnt normal.
At least you have the common sense to recognize thereās a problem. All you can do is not openly judge them and always be on alert.
Oh I'd openly judge them so hard. The dad more so than the sister.
Openly judging them hard will only ensure that if abuse is going to occur, OP will never be in the know because sheāll never feel like a safe space for her sister and the innocent child.
Well, just remember this was way outside of your control and absolutely nothing you did made this shit go so wrong
Might be worth contacting FBI irkpolice and you don't know if A - there's been grooming going on since before she was a legal adult B - there's other dodgy stuff on his digital devices.
Itās nothing to minimize. Your family had PROBLEMS, especially your dad. I hope you can move very far away soon.
It's not about the "Adult" or "Age gap" . Being a father figure in childhood and becoming a husband figure in the Adult hood ...! Thats abuse... He is taking advantage of the father figure or the affection, the feeling of security every child gets from their parents. This is Taboo...and how did you came to conclude his perspective about her changed during that family gathering... But if they r in love given the fact she is pregnant, best not to reject it nor welcome it.The baby is innocent
The baby is going to be in the same position I am. Everyone who is supposed to be an adult is making decisions around us that we have to deal with. At this point I am close to claiming sister/niece/brother/nephew as my only family. I would never blame the child. I put a lot of fault on my Dad for this. My sister is 23. She has been out of college like what, a year and a bit. She just keeps telling me I'm a kid and I won't understand, but she isn't helping me understand. Does that make sense?
Yeah. I think she knows the situation is messed up and she can't explain away the moral issues. Being there for her would be kind, but it's not your responsibility to deal with all this and sacrifice your own mental health and safety. They are adults, they are smart enough to figure this out themselves. You can leave, cut contact, whatever without being at fault.
you may be young but you sound like you understand it completely. your sister is trying to gaslight you into thinking youāre the weird one for thinking itās weird or that youāre too immature to understand it. but you understand it better than anyone else in your family. that shit is NOT NORMALā¦ and your dad is a predator. iām sorry youāre going through this. i hope you can get out of this situation soon. do not let anyone in your family try to convince you itās okay, because itās not. sounds like youāre the only one with a working brain here.
Your sister is also at fault, but there is no use pointing fingers now, but what to say if he leaves her for another one. There is nothing much you can do about it, but you should advise your sister to legalise things for her protection. The one who controls his/her emotions with his/her wisdom is human. And for you better be independent of him.
I both agree and disagree. As Dad knew Sister as a child, I am going to assume this is a case of grooming. As such, Sister had this normalized to her before this happened, and while it seems a huge no-brainer that this *isn't* okay, look how effective brainwashing is. A very real thing, and you can convince people of some actually unhinged shit. The human mind is way too malleable, it's creepy to think about.
Tbf in this context grooming is likely to be involved sadly. So she isnāt necessarily really at fault. If itās started from a young age she didnāt even have the choice to be into him and do what he wants her to do
Yeah I have an age gap relationship but me and my boyfriend met as adults. Watching someone grow up and then want to fuck them is gross š¤¢
Iām sorry your dad is such a creep. Becky obviously has issues from being rejected by your mother and her biological father, to be raised by your grandparents. Maybe this is a way for her to punish your mother. Your dad is a creep. Heās doing this to take revenge on your mother. He obviously doesnāt care about how this will affect you. I would not have anything to do with his new āfamilyā. Ever. Your other relatives may say itās ok, but you know itās not. If you ever have children in the future, do not ever let them around your dad. Your mother knows this is wrong too. Not sure why she wonāt admit it. Maybe she just doesnāt want to deal with it. Not everyone remembers childhood abuse. You may have been abused and donāt remember it. Iām so sorry OP. Iām proud of you for knowing the difference between right and wrong, and saying something.
It's making me question everything. I don't want to ask them, but I feel like I need to talk to my friends and see if he has ever even made them uncomfortable or anything. I feel like I am just spiraling. I am googling how I can leave. We don't have a good relationship with my Mother. When Becky came to live with us, my Mother would just use her as free childcare. At first, it was just a few minutes, then it was hours, by he time she was 15 she was looking after me overnight. Becky and I got on as well as we could, but for a long time, it felt like we were strangers. I do love her, but she isn't really like a sister. I am shaking writing this, I don't think he has ever been inappropriate to me, but I don't know. I just feel like all the 'adults' in my life are not being adults right now. I need to leave but I don't know how.
Just try to remain calm and keep your distance for now. Maybe you can go away to college, the military or a trade school once you turn 18? You have every right to ask questions. However, it sounds like your family members wouldnāt tell you the truth, even if they knew it.
Dude youāre so clever and mature for being in the know and youāre brave for calling it out and feeling grossed out! Itās absolutely crazy and no amount of āloveā between your sister and your dad can minimise the psychological dumpster fire that is their relationship! As someone who was abused as a kid by my father I constantly to this day (Iām 28) am told by relatives (including my siblings) that it was never that big of a deal or there were good reasons for certain behaviours. Girl run. Youāre too bright and too integrous to stay in wilful bliss and that is something you can be proud of for the rest of your life! Iām prolly projecting but staying true to your intellectual moral compass makes you a powerhouse and youāre breaking the cycle.
With how protective OP's mother is about all this, it sounds more like some really gross bonding. Like maybe the mother doesn't really see the sister as family, since she dumped her on her own parents, and now it's like two teen girls laughing over getting pregnant by the same guy. Super messed up no matter how it's sliced.
oh HONEY i certainly would not blame you ONE BIT if you sawed off your branch of the family tree and planted it FAR away from this shit show šš
Ong, keep your dad away from your future family/kids if you have any at the VERY LEAST.
Iāll freak out with you šµāš«
The age gap, picking people up at a family get- together, and the 6 year difference between you and your sister/potential step-parent is all gross as hell. I don't know why no one else in your family is picking up on that. It's just disappointing to find out that your father is a base creeper and makes you want to rethink a lot of stuff. Your mom and your grandma might be downplaying it because they want to remain in your sister's life. Idk your dynamic, but I've seen that happen a lot. Kid grows up, does some dumb stuff, and parents feel Iike they can't call their adult kids out because they'll lose contact with them. Maybe just take some time and distance from them. And keep an eye from a distance, because 45 and 23 will always be a power imbalance. Your sister is pretty gross for banging someone her mom was married to, but your dad gets first place on the watch list. Make sure she's not all of a sudden running into doors or dropping a bunch of weight or quickly becoming a shadow of her former self. And don't tell a lot of friends about this. Like, best friend that's met everyone and been around for a decade, and no one else. You need a confidante to talk to, not a whole class of people weighing in and talking shit and dishing gossip.
Selfishly, the last point is a major concern. I have been the subject of rumors in the past and I don't want to go down that path again. I would like to say my dad isn't violent, but up until today, I didn't think he would knock up my sister either. I can't give you a reason for my Mothers behavior, shes half acting like a friend and half like an excited Grandparent. I think I am even coming to the reason that I don't know if my sister is going to be in a good place to raise her child. I didn't stick around long enough to fully hear the living situation discussion, but I believe they will be moving in together soon.
That's not selfish. It's already a lot to have on your mind, without a bunch of assholes stirring the pot. Rumors are no joke, and being the talk of the town is miserable. If you have the option, therapy works wonders. A licensed therapist can't tell your business(unless there's a threat of imminent harm) and might be able to help you unpack some of this. In life, unfortunately, we have no control over other people and their circumstances. You can weigh in, although it sounds like you're not close enough, and she doesn't want to hear it. So you just get to choose what you do and how you live and who is allowed to be around you, more so when you're an adult and on your own. Maybe start planning out what you're going to do and how you can move out or go to college/trade school and afford yourself some distance. Your family dynamic seems like it hasn't always been sunshine and rainbows, and gaining some distance helps gain perspective. Getting a part-time job, applying for scholarships or grants, or dual-enrolling right now might help your future and give you a little distance while you digest this situation. All positive things that add to your future self, which also give you an excuse not to be around your family as much. Also, this mess is not a reflection of you, just in case you need to hear it.
Unfortunately kids your age can be little monsters sometimes (so can adults). Your concerns are valid and you need to be extremely careful who you confide in, which makes it difficult for you to vent and work through your feelings. I'm sorry you're going through this. It must be very stressful and I can see why you're upset. Try your best not to be openly judgemental, but also try to keep a respectful distance so this situation doesn't eat you up.
It's pretty gross.
You are not blowing this out of proportion at all. Your dad is a *BEYOND* grown man who knew MORE than better to leave a 23 year old kid alone. Sadly, there is nothing you can do except distance yourself away from these people when you can. They will continue to gaslight you into thinking this is normal (typical grooming behavior) until you wake up one day thinking having a brother/nephew is no big deal. They know this is wrong, that's why they kept it secret. Sadly your father was probably grooming your sister the whole time she stayed with you guys. I'm sorry, OP. ā¹ļø Seriously, what the fuck.
Wut in Alabama Tarnation?!
No I agree that is weird as hell. Your dad took some notes from woody Allan I see /s. I'm sorry your family is like this, I would be freaking the fuck out too if my dad knocked up my half sister.
What in the state of Alabama did I just read. Your Dad is really gross and your sister is very stupid. The family tree could use some pruning
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I'm only a couple years older than your dad. I'm freaking horrified. Your reaction is normal. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.Ā
Your dad is a predator and you have every right to feel disgusted by this this isnāt normal your dad has probably been looking at her inappropriately her whole life this makes me sick to my stomach I couldnāt even imagine how you feel
It sounds like you're the only one reacting appropriately. I don't have any wise, super cool advice for you, but I can validate your feelings and tell you that you aren't crazy, you're right and the rest of your family have some fucking problems.
If your dad is willing to do that to his stepdaughter, then I'm wondering what he did to you.
If you know how closely youāre related to, youāre too closely related to have any kind of romantic relationship. Even ākinda former stepdaughter/stepfatherā counts.
Ask your family about your relationship with your sister, do you call her mom now? cause she is technically your step mom and I think theyāre all ignoring that, that creates a crazy dynamic between your sister and you, like I would just make everyone as uncomfortable as I am, treat your sister like a step mom, not an ounce of sisterly love, and switch it and treat your dad like your brother in law, donāt respect anything he tells you to do, cause your brother in law has no right, like if you gotta be exposed to it, make it a living hell for them until you can separate yourself from the situation, idk maybe Iām petty or something but I would make them regret their entire relationship, cause thatās just so wrong, like no, she was prolly in diapers when he met her first or at least a child, I would distance where you can and where you canāt make them want to, Iām sorry that you gotta experience that, I literally couldnāt imagine
This is so smart ngl, like if they see nothing wrong then theyād be totally fine with this switch up right?? Honestly they got no right to get mad at OP if they do this, cause at the end of the day, this is basically what itās like now, donāt forget to remind your mom that sheās a half-mom(step-mom?) AND grandma to the baby. Iām sure sheād loveeee to remember that fact..
I have a similar situation to this as well, except NO ONE is okay with it. My (M15) oldest sister (F33) got married to my auntās ex husband behind her back and had 3 kids with him. Yes, you read that right MY AUNTāS EX HUSBAND. Mind you, me and my sister are full blooded siblings, and since sheās the oldest, sheās my auntās very first niece. My sister married him when she was about 25 years old and I believe he was around 50 at the time. Itās so nasty and messed up to think about. And get this, my sister told my cousins (my auntās kids that she had with her ex husband) that they have to call her step mom from here on out. I do not claim her as a sister anymore.
Your reaction is entirely appropriate. The only justification for your mother and grandmother's response that I can fathom is that they don't want to push Becky away and they want to be her support system. They can't change the past and magic this all away so they need to keep in touch in order to help. I hope so anyway.
I thought this was the sims group after reading this..should read the sub name first šš OP this is a gross clusterF, Iād be weirded out and grossed too and confused as to why everyone else is sitting cool with this. Edited for typo
Good god. Iād tell your dad you canāt even look at him for knocking up your sister. I this is so fucked up.
I thought 2024 wouldn't be able to surprise me anymore...
It's definitely messed up. Yes, technically they are not blood related, but he's essentially her step-dad and I would get her was probably eying her up when she was younger, just waiting for her to come of age. At best this is just a weird but unfortunate attraction, and more likely it is a predatory relationship with that 20 year age gap. And to anyone who says 20 years isn't a big gap, it may not be as bad for a 40 & a 60 year old but for a 20 year old, her partner is a whole lifetime older than her... it definitely is a bigger deal when they're younger.
I would sincerely freak out too and your reaction is obviously sane. but at the same time, now that I am a bit older, I've come to learn that it is the type of unexpected shit humans do and that i (sadly) start to accept from life as an adult. What sucks is that you are seventeen, and he is your dad, and at your age, you still need some semblance of family normalcy .so it goes right in your feels and you can't escape it, this is very fucked up and this is still happening. I am sorry. I am 28 and only now am i able to kind of detach myself from what people do including very close ones. Sometimes you think parents etc are "normal", "reasonable" because you see them as adults and probably responsible ones. and one day they do some crazy shit like this and it is just life reminding you that humans are just very flawed and toxic to themselves, therefore to each other. My advice, be selfish, focus on yourself, your dad is weird, your sister too. Yes you'll have a sister niece or brother nephew. You will cringe about it until you won't anymore and maybe you'll learn to love that baby who did not ask for any of this...
I would disown my family
He might pretend that itās not a big deal because he wasnāt her āfatherā for long but 1. He was her stepfather 2. Itās your sister. So bottom line, he hooked up with his own childās sister. Itās soo gross. I havenāt seen my daughterās 1/2 brother since he was a toddler. I can tell you, I would never think of š¤¢gross. I canāt even type it out. I hope youāre able to get out of that dysfunctional messy family and have therapy to deal with it. The rest of your family not seeing a problem, IS a problem.
Let that ship sail far away and hop on a new ship. You have every right to feel the way you do, Iām with you on this, Iām taken back myself. Huge overstep in boundaries and everyone in your family being nonchalant is concerning. Blood related or not, thatās predatory behavior. He more than likely had that planned. Yuck. Iām sorry OP. If you need to talk, Iām here for you.
As a parent, the idea of having sex with someone who shares half of my son's DNA and is only 6 years older than him makes me wanna barf. No. Absolutely no. That is disgusting.
I canāt even fathom this shit
While I agree this is weird as shit, I'd recommend talking to a therapist or counselor about processing this, because it's a lot to take in, and not something where you should be getting feedback from Redditors.
Dear OP, Youāre entirely right. All of that is an absurd including the fact that others are pretending they canāt see or care. Be careful with your own sanity. Because society as a whole has lost a lot of its structure (I lived in many countries and can tell this is a phenomena everywhere). The problem is you probably mentioned that to some people expecting they resonate with you and instead they said it is ok. Isnāt it? Keep distance from such things. It doesnāt do any good to you. Keep around you friends and family that share your values. Cut all the rest. Such things damage you because you have values. Protect them, preserve them and pass it forward. Hope I have helped.
>*I don't want to think of my Dad as being a predator* #He is.
Congrats on being the only normal person in your family. Don't let go of your sanity, as much as everyone is trying to trivialize your very correct reaction. Don't let your guard down. Remember that your father is indeed a predator and that he's not about to just settle down and be normal now. This is what he is, and this kind of thing will likely happen again (or at least he'll try). I'm sorry that you're being gaslit into thinking that this is even 1% acceptable.
Dads a predator and this is really fucking weird and your family just being like ālol okayā makes it even weirder.
āTrynna strike a cord and itās probably a minorrrrrā Ik sheās of age but as a father that was definitely an early interest his sick ass was having
I was praying this was r/AITASims
*Play game of thrones intro*
Omg. This is so gross. I'm so sorry this is your life. Please leave and never return to these people when you are able to take care of yourself as an adult. Stay strong op
So your dad got your half sister pregnant what the actual fuck! That is predatory as fuck! Did he groom her as a child? What girl in their right mind would have relations with a man who is supposed to be a father figure. Is it possible they did things before she was 18? If not why did she suddenly have an interest in your father? Sounds to me like your dad is a sexual predator
I have family like this in my family tree. One of my aunts married a practicing polygamist Mormon, and as a kid spending the night at their house, I was always confused about why my cousins had the same father, but different moms, and how they all lived together. Nobody ever said anything about it when I was little. It was only as an adult (I'm now 51, and he's long since died of old age) that I found out that he was "church" married both to my aunt (legally) and to two other women, *one the mother of the other(!),* through the church... all at the same time... all living under the same roof. (And that my own mother AND grandmother had been offered to "join him" but refused --- more like noped right out of --- the offer.) So yeah, I have experience with weird. My advice: learn to live with it. You're not going to change it. You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family. In my case, my uncle was a very fiscally responsible man, if not the best father, with a weird family. Your half-sister is still your half-sister. Your dad is still your dad. And now you have a new niece/half-sister. (or nephew/half-brother). That new baby is not at fault for what happened, and you can either make his/her life miserable or love them for who they are. Everyone around you is going to think it's weird because it is weird. You're going to be embarrassed by this. Nothing you or they can do (at this point) will change this fact. Try to calm down and accept it for what it is. Today my uncle and aunt are both dead, only one of his wives remains. Their kids all scattered to the winds. The only biological relations in that part of the family I have left is a cousin, one cousin once removed, and one cousin twice removed... all of whom live happy "normal" lives. (There are lots of other kids, but they aren't biologically related to me since I was only biologically related to one of the wives.)
Umm I have a sister/cousin. Dad married mom's cousin, then her. It was a huge secret until we were teens. I rarely see her but sometimes I smh at my parents choices. Honestly you'll need to get past it bc the baby is still an innocent and will need a "normal" human in their life
Not illegal. But it's definitely inappropriate. Sorry, but you're dad absolutely took advantage of a young 20 something.
Your father is in fact a predator man sorry
What in Alabama
Today was a bad day to have eyes, you are NOT blowing this out of proportion
Dad took game of thrones a little to far
my mouth dropped when i saw this as a notificationā¦
It's okay to be upset and confused. Maybe talking to a counselor or a trusted friend could help you process your feelings. You don't have to be okay with this if it doesn't feel right to you. Setting boundaries and expressing your discomfort is important. Stay strong, and take care of yourself!
It feels kinda embarrassing telling my friends. It just sounds so ridiculously wrong. This is why my brain is breaking, like who can't see that something is wrong with that? I have just been sat in my room while they are all downstairs talking about babies. My Mother is just blank. She was never the most maternal figure, but you would think she would have something to say about the father of one of her children impregnating her other child.
If your mom is "just blank" then my guess is she's dealing with this in whatever way she needs to right now; could be repression or shutting down, or maybe she's putting on a brave face for the family cuz she knows what's done is done and it's too late to save her daughter. Your sister was most likely the victim of grooming, so try not to be too hard on her. Hopefully she'll come around eventually and be able to acknowledge how fucked up this situation is. If I were in your shoes I would want to be available to help her when she leaves your dad, but that might mean being in their life until then and it's understandable if that's something you can't do. I'm sorry you have to deal with this. And I'm sorry that your dad isn't who you thought he was. I hope you find a way to live with this that feels right for you.
That is very weird. However, the reality is that there is nothing illegal about it. But more importantly there's nothing you can do about it. Freaking out about it isn't going to change the situation. It's a thing that has happened. One of the most important life lessons I had to learn is what things in life to freak out about and what things do I just need to let go. A question I would ask myself if I were in your shoes is what kind of relationship do I want to have with my dad and sister. The answer to that question will determine how you should respond to the situation.
Pretty sickening. Also sad that the only one who is having a normal reaction to it is the 17yo who will have a half sister that is also a cousin in about 6 months. Sorry this is happening to you, kid.
This situation is something straight out of Shakespeare to be honest with you, yes you should be freaking out lol! I thought it was weird I have a friend who his brother married this girl and they ended up having a child. Unfortunately, he passed away from an overdose and my friend married his brother's widow (aka his sister in law) and basically adopted his son (so I guess the son became a nephew-son to him, I really don't know?). Unfortunately, the mother ended up passing away as well from an overdose later when she was with my friend. I thought that was weird but this makes that situation look 100% normal.
Your point is valid it's just weird, He grew up to her as a father figure and now that she's grown up, He's into her. It just doesn't sit right..
Ok, first of all i want to Thank God because your heading gave me a mini pain in the heart but I'm fine now. Secondly ya it's wierd but accept it, it your life now. Max to max you do is go NC with all once you turn 18.
Yeah, that's definitely a bit weird. Your reaction is perfectly normal. Unfortunately, there's not really anything you can legally do. They're not biologically related, which eliminates any kind of laws around incest. The best thing you can do at this point is to stay in their lives, especially for the sake of their child. They're probably going to start asking a lot of questions in a few years, and it will be important to have a family member like you by their side.
I am so sorry. This was a common practice over 150 years ago. Today not so much as we do not need to further the population as much. Old mentality, not a wrong one. āDo not judge lest ye be judgedā. Definitely not for me lol.
I don't think this makes your dad is a pedo, but he is a certifiable creep if for no other reason than you're about to have a sibling that is also going to be your niece or nephew jeez. Also it sounds like your family in general is lacking some boundaries. Grown folks are grown, but if you decide to have children of your break the cycles, teach your children that stuff like this is not ok. They don't have to be hostile to Aunt Becky, their cousin or their grandfather but they definitely need to know that these lines shouldn't be crossed.
Everything's fine, just keep on livin' your life. All is good. It is all right. No problem at all. No sir, i see no problem here. Okay.
It is weird and it does sound a little predatory. Your other family members are focusing on the no blood relation to make it ok in their minds. Your gift, tho, is that you can step back and not be in their lives much and then even less when you are 18, if youāre physically able to and want to.
Ew. Iād personally be cutting off contact with all of them. Sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer ffs š¤¦āāļø
I can hear the banjos playing from here. š¤¢
Definitely not over reacting. This is actually sick & I Pray to god that their child doesnāt get sexualized by the father.
Is your dad a big Woody Allen fan?
Either way- gross and creepy
What in the fuck did I just readā¦.
Youāre not over reacting, your family is normalizing something quasi-incestuous and itās making you feel insane. Your dadās a predator, sorry. And you should get into therapy when you can and start planning on distancing yourself from these people. This is beyond fucked up and nauseating.
You are not blowing this out of proportion. I think youāre just surrounded by sick people who are incapable of seeing how absolutely repulsive and fucked that is. Iām sorry youāre experiencing all of that especially without any reassurance From people who should be agreeing with you that this isnāt right. Nor should it be accepted by all of them under any means. Iām honestly shocked obviously not as much as OP but itās insane to think people like this exist and itās even worse to think they donāt show their true self until itās too late and theyāve done things that can never be forgotten. I wish you luck OP but please know you are not wrong for being angry and youāre not blowing it out of proportion. Theyāre just not as shocked as you bc itās likely their in denial or WORSEā¦ they donāt see anything wrong with itā¦ I suggest you cut ties with all of these people itāll do a great justice for you and your future if you stay far the fuck away and let them handle their disastrous circumstances on their own.
CUT YOUR FATHER OFF. You donāt need any of this in your life. š¤¢š¤®
Absolutely not okay in any world. Thatās grooming and disgusting. Iām shocked your Mom is okay with that š³
Super weird and inappropriate but legal and fair game unfortunately. They arenāt blood, itās gross and definitely could be seen as grooming but all in all itās legal.
As someone a year younger than you, you are acting completely rational, your family however, is downplaying this situation so hard, when you can, cut contact, not completely, just enough so you donāt have to deal with their bullshit anymore. I also recommend therapy, a licensed professional can help you work through this, though your family might also need group therapy.. I wish you best of luck, this seems so horrible, I wish everyone snaps outta it and realize this is nowhere near okay. It sucks that you have to rethink your entire life now because of this, but at least you get to see who your dad truly is.
This really is disgusting and you should tell him and the rest of your family so every time you get a chance. Be cruel about it if you need to. Tell them how much they disgust you and that the rest of the family should be ashamed to be accepting a grooming pedo into their lives so easily. Tell your sister she is a victim and your dad that you can no longer look at him the same way. This was more than a mistake, it was most likely happening for a long time behind closed doors. She may be an adult NOW, but you mentioned they were hiding this for a long time until the pregnancy made it obvious. That is one of the reddest flags I can think of. There are times to forgive and accept people for who they are and what they have done. This is NOT one of those times. Be a scathing bitch. They don't deserve pity.
You are not blowing this out of proportion - this is messed up and it sounds like your family doesn't understand boundaries. What the hell is your sister thinking sleeping with a man who dated her mother? Why doesn't she have a red flag that he was married to HER MOTHER??!!!! What's your dad thinking sleeping with his ex's daughter and your sister? Is he so selfish he didn't think about the effect it would have on your relationship with him? Create distance with them...they are messed up.
Lolll wtf
Whatās your thoughts on āaccidentally leakingā this info? Maybe, a little shame their way wouldnāt be too bad? #%^* Sorry, I got a little distracted by the banjosā¦.
I literally didn't have to read the whole thing...just the obvious points to say.....it's not technically incest BUT IT IS!!!! ITS DISGUSTING AND NOW YOUR DAD SHOULD BE SUPER SUSPECT IN EVERYONES EYES. His whole life and interactions with young girls should be dissected... especially the interactions with your sister when she was a minor..I could bet my bunyon that THERE WAS SOME PEDO SHIT GOIN ON... It's sad you have to go through this but at least it has given you the most valuable life lesson YOU CANT TRUST NO ONE NOT EVEN FAMILY EVERYONE IS SUSPECT
I just lost a year of my life... what the fuck did I just read... I'm sorry about your life but this made me lost a year of my life.
OP I recommend confiding in a close friend..when I was being groomed as a younger replacement for my mom's boyfriend I noped tf outta there to my best friends house and her mother treated me like her own child. It doesn't always happen but I highly recommend trying.
Roll tide
Itās pretty weird and gross but sheās old enough to consent and they arenāt biologically related so theyāre technically not doing anything wrong. You donāt need to support it or be happy for them though.
Im curious to what Beckys reaction was in all of this. Despite that, yes I would be freaking out
Y'all from Alabama?
Iād shame himā¦.thats not right
This is usagi drop all over again šµāš«
Youāre gonna be your own grandpa before this story ends.
At this point just pack all your shit and move to mexico.
What in the Mason Dixon?
I'm baffled that your mother isn't freaking out with you. This situation is absolutely disgusting and insane. I'm sure he groomed your sister very young and she doesn't know any better. I would distance myself from all that if I was in your shoes. Jesus Christ, I wanna throw up just thinking about it.
Do you live in the south?
Reminded me of a friend's sister was 21 when she first got pregnant by a dude who was at least in his late 40s if not early 50s and has known her since she was in her early teens, if not an adolescent. She just had his 2nd kid a couple of months ago at the age of 24. Small town in a red state. Ur reaction is normal, OP. Love is love, but there are social limitations when it comes to age gaps like that.
are y'all in the US? many countries have laws against this. I come from an incest-heavy family (I would never do that though!!) so I get it. it sucks SO much and I am very sorry. also, that kid probably should be aborted due to potential health issues....
It's OP's dad, not Becky's. Dude is Becky's stepdad. There won't be incest health issues.
Dude wtf
I feel like as a basic rule in the world you shouldnāt start dating people if the āmeet cuteā is a family reunion
Definitely weird, but thereās nothing you can do about it
Oh dear god. Iām sorry your parents (mostly your dad, but mom is being very weird) are so irresponsible, immature, and that your father and sister (more so dad than sis, but she **is** an adult and I donāt know enough to really say) are justā¦ icky. Iām concerned about your father being, well? Maybe a predatory groomer, maybe just an icky old man (I say this as a 43/f married to a 47/m for 22 ++ years with three kids) who likes women far too young for him. I feel so bad for this baby they are bringing into the world, and for you. You have **every right** to be as angry and grossed out as you feel. They are wrong and this is creepy.
What in the Jerry Spring hell?
Wow, that sounds really tough. It's okay to feel shocked and upset about what's happening. Talking to someone you trust could help you navigate this complex situation. Your feelings are valid, and it might be helpful to express your concerns calmly to your dad and sister. Taking care of yourself emotionally is important right now.
and i(f25) thought i had it bad when my ex best friend(f24) started seeing my dad(m50) (we became friends when we were 14/15 and they started dating when she was 20) š¬
What in the Woody Allen?!
Where do you liveāin a remote part of Appalachia?! Who thinks incest. Is no big deal? Putting middle class values aside, reproducing so close in relationship is what leads to a whole bunch of problemsāitās not the stuff from which geniuses nor athletes are made.
So it's like Errol Musk and his stepdaughter except Jana doesn't have a half sister fathered by Errol. Like you said, it's probably the most weird for you due to the niece/sister relationship you are going to have with the baby. For your mother, it's just going to be a grandchild. Don't get me wrong, it's still shockingly weird.
The age gap is pretty nuts but I mean sheās 23 so itās whatever I guess. Itās not that uncommon if you think about it. But the fact that he kinda knew her as a little kid cause he used to hook up with her mum and still went for this is bananas to me. People are gonna judge the living hell out of them, especially on Reddit hahahaha But at the end of the day sheās an adult and they arenāt related so social judgements aside, there is no foul play here. Best you can do is respectfully let them know that the situation icks you and either cancel your dad or not. But asking people on Reddit about it to confirm your opinion doesnāt help much since people usually donāt condone this kind of behaviour from 45 year old men, whether he knew the girl prior or not. Youāre gonna need some therapy after all this, and itās gonna cost you a lot more then the 2 cents our opinions on here is worth.
Today is the day I wish I was illiterate.
that is crazy. how r ur family even thinking thats normal LOL
Pity Jerry Springer isn't on TV any longer! But what can I say, I live in Arkansas (not from here through), where the start motto is, "The closer the kin, the deeper in". While I may not give a fuck about the general twist of it, what I DO care about is the power imbalance and possible manipulation. I've done a lot of bad things in my life, but I've never used power, manipulation, or asserted control over ANYONE for sex and it frosts my ass when I do. You're not overreacting, you're not weird (but they sure as fuck are), and you have every right to be upset over it. Unfortunately, there's NOTHING that you can do about it, especially since it seems everyone else is ok with it. I've never really acted as my stepdaughter's dad either, but damned if I'd try to fuck her, much less have a kid with her.
No thats sooooooo predatory yikes
My brain just short circuited. Yuck.
No no no I hope this is not real please
Eww. How could anyone even THINK of being with their child's sibling?? You are not overreacting. For you, it's your dad and your sister. Plain and simple. Shoot, I am 40. I STILL see my 35 year old nephew as the little 5 year old terror! I see his 35 year old friend as the clumsy 13 year old I met when I was 18. I consider him my nephew too. And it is just weird that they are adults doing adult things. They will always be babies to me. Idk... idk... it's like that Genetic Sexual Attraction thing.
Another thing if that was my kid your dad would be dead
This is so messed up. Your family needs to wake up and see that YOU will be affected. If they got married your sister would be your step mom and half sister and your dad your brother in law. In what world is that acceptable, except the blue blood supremacy period of marrying family for the Royal blood line??? Also what about the kid? The kids not gonna be weirded out that theyāre gonna have a double relativ? In what universe is that normal. What time clock did they spin? Your dad got it on with your sister, that sentence shouldnāt exist. If your dad cared he wouldnāt have even considered it because thatās YOUR SISTER. My father is questionable with his dating history BUT he never ever considered my half sister (not his blood) as a possible partner. Not in a million years, he dated and married someone WAY outside of that. Like do they not even think of how fucked it is for YOU. Like maybe they donāt see the fact that you will have a sibling nephew, ask them if that sounds normal.
I can only say one thing.. West is doomed
It's horrifying . Pls stay away and I dunno if u can report this or talk to a doctor bout this. Or talk to relatives. But I can't even think
Bro what šššthat shits so fucking weird are you sure this isnāt a sitcom or what
Wellā¦ iām no one to comment this but everyone here sharing their perspectives is not gonna help youā¦ youāre trying to make your point of view justified. Try thinking it with a different angleā¦ just like a sitcomā¦ iām sorry but yeahā¦ it helps me when things in my life goes the other way aroundā¦ as you cannot control other peopleā¦ as itās THEIR choiceā¦ it might be wrong for you which is absolutely understandable. What you can do is be calm and let people live their lives their own wayā¦ I know itās easy to say butā¦ itās reality and you gotta face it with honour.
I just want you to know that you aren't the only one who has gone through this! My brother's ex-wife cheated on him with her step dad who was still married to her mom at the time. He's been in her life since she was 12. It's disgusting and I'm so sorry that everyone is acting like it's not a big deal. The same happened to my bro's ex... It's so hard because she had 2 kids before being with my bro. They called her stepdad (now husband) Grandpa. They now call him dad and she has 2 kids with him. So all together there are 4 kids in this mess. I just don't know how people like this can show their faces in public.
Your dad did the āWoody Allenā. Crazy that something like that really exists.
Nah dawg what the fuck
theyāre all crazy, throw the whole family away
What in the sweet home to catch a predator is this??!?! In all seriousness that's fucked. Please look after yourself and put yourself first.
Sounds like your mom does care but is restraining herself she she doesnāt lose her mind. Like, trying to convince herself
The one time I actually think to look for the r/AITASims tag and itās not thereā¦ thatās enough internet for today
Okay wtf I'll join you in your freaking out session. This is weird as hell šš
My grandmother's husband (not her first husband) "fell in love" with her daughter (my aunt) when she was a minor. She was probably about 15 when they began their secret relationship. Years later, he ended up marrying my aunt. She was already a divorced mother by the time he decided to marry her, and surprise surprise, he suddenly became interested in her daughter (my cousin). A predator does not stop being a predator. Should you have children in the future, keep them away from this man.
How disgusting #SweetHomeAlabama! More than 8 billion people in the world & he chooses to sleep with & knock up your sister out of other people