So like... I looked through all 19 pages of active lots, and there's comic books, toys, video games, mall ninja stuff, baseball cards, weird used cowboy boots, etc. in addition to two *world war II* Nazi flags.
Having done estate/auction stuff before, it is significantly less likely that this was an actual Nazi sympathizer and more like a late Boomer or gen Xer who had a lot of collectible things, who got the Nazi stuff from someone (probably a family member) who brought it back as a trophy.
Being an old weirdo recluse isn't illegal, unless you know for sure something the rest of us don't. Otherwise, get the fuck out with your hyperbole and move on with your life. lol.
How is it different? Don't see any difference in Coal and Coke train car in Cimarron or the drop cloth in Raton theatre, hell, there's still a town called Swastika in Ontario.
In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (clockwise) (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ('sun'), prosperity and good luck, while the left-facing symbol (counter-clockwise) (卍) is called sauvastika, symbolising night or tantric aspects of Kali.
Nobody should hold onto that shit as a collectible. Ever. It should be donated to museums. Not displayed in a home for ANY reason. I get that if the family member brought it back as a trophy that’s one thing. If they’re dead, then donate it.
Who said it was displayed?
It's perfectly acceptable to have heirlooms. Even if it were displayed, it sparks a story about how it was taken as a trophy in a fight against actual fascists.
I have a small silk Imperial Japanese flag that was a trophy. I have firearms that were trophies. It really isn't that weird or an endorsement to own them. There's many more people who think this way. Also plenty of people out there with Che Guevara shirts and such which are actively displayed.
Immediately panicking at the sight of a symbol simply continues to give the symbol the power the intended effect over the viewer, which is to cause fear, anxiety, and intimidation. I'm not saying these should be a casual thing to see but be rational and don't let an object with no intention or context cast that much of a shadow.
I stand by nobody personally needs a Nazi heirloom. Absolutely not one person. Give it to a museum. But I mean I’m gonna ask this with no snarkiness or malice or assumptions about you, just wanna say that because it’s written and easy to misinterpret vocal intent in writing, but w your flag or firearms are you of any Japanese descent or are you Jewish etc? I ask only cause yes a symbol means a lot to me as a Jew. It’s impossible for me to NOT see a swastika solely as a symbol of hate and genocide. And I definitely don’t want the past to be forgotten or disappear but again that’s what photos and museums are for over someone’s personal collection.
My grandpa brought home trophies from ww2. They’ve been donated. I have absolutely zero need for them to be in our home now.
My ancestry includes people affected. I view symbols like this, and their display (*as part of someone's beliefs*) as intentionally inflammatory and choose to not give them that power.
One of the more odd collectors I met was actually Jewish and he owned a garage full of symbols. He did it because he felt it was taking some of the power and symbolism away from its intended purpose and watering it down as to be a curiosity or joke.
Totally fair. Thanks for not getting offended by my question there though I really do sincerely like to hear people’s reasoning even if it differs from mine on this matter. For me I’ve also worked on several movies or tv shows w Nazi characters (don’t worry always painted in a negative way haha) but I’ve found it bothersome to have to provide some of those things for the projects to be made. I’ve also done a film about the kkk in the 50s and that also felt awful to have to provide shit for it. I can also choose not to take some of these jobs and usually there’s snide stuff snuck into these projects anyway to poke fun. The hitler clock w a photo of him and his raised right arm was the minute hand was pretty funny. But yeah. All in all, personally I just don’t see any value or point in keeping that shit whatsoever. I fully understand why the soldiers, in most cases, took trophies though. Just time to move on from them for me. I still don’t think we’ll ever reclaim the symbols proper form any of these scenarios though because they’re too widely still used for that their original purpose is. Hell even the confederate flag is flown overseas, which I’ve seen w my own eyes on several occasions, because the swastika flag is banned. So they fly that because they all know it’s only a symbol of hate now. I can appreciate the fight to take the power away, but until Nazis are stopped for good that’s not possible to reclaim the symbols. And we’re busy celebrating them here instead for some ungodly reason haha.
I understand your sentiment but it is narrow minded. There is a difference between historical collectors and pro Nazi sympathizers. And before anyone asks no, I don't have Nazi paraphernalia.
Yeah I’m not going to be open minded toward Nazis buying nazi shit. The only place that symbol belongs is in history books, not actual stuff for people to collect from an auction.
I'm simply explaining that I have the capacity to understand that they may not be Nazis. You, on the other hand, don't have that capacity. Which is fine. Have a good day.
As someone who knows three military/war historians, having an actual Nazi flag is not something that’s coveted unless you have other Nazi memorabilia to make it a real rounded *collection*. Having just one thing of Nazi memorabilia is weird and pretty sus.
I'm not worried about it. I just understand that people find value in different things and I can also understand valuing something like this while not believing in the philosophy it represents. I'm sorry you can't, but I also don't really care
Books actually provide a real use. Nazi memorabilia should belong in a museum or be burned. People can look up Nazi symbols all they want on the internet.
What does a hypothetical "historical collector" do with a Nazi flag once they own it?
Because again, we have a name for people who hang Nazi flags in their house.
It looks like it’s been folded up, so it could be pristine because it hasn’t been displayed for over 50 years. If I had more time, I would buy it and donate to a museum or just burn it.
Just looked it up. Not all materials are illegal to sell or buy but a lot of it is heavily prohibited. It’s more prohibited in other countries. Profiteering off of mass deaths and war crimes is why it’s illegal in part.
Man, half the fun of estate sales/antique shops is seeing the unhinged knick knacks that were celebrated in decades/centuries past. It doesn't need to be fetishized or anything, it's just stuff.
It was pretty common for returning veterans to bring home flags and other memorabilia:
[https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/captured-nazi-flags](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/captured-nazi-flags)
[https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/photograph-records/72-3951](https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/photograph-records/72-3951)
Families end up with the flags and don't want to throw them away because they have familial and historical interest, but they also have a hard time donating them because museums generally have enough of such things and don't need more.
I'm going to go with the same type of argument as freedom of speech does not mean freedom from judgement. People are free to own Nazi shit as "collectors" and other people are free to give them side eye.
At the end of the day I just hope we can all agree fuck Nazis, yeah?
Sorry a history buff here. If this truly from the Nazi regime and not a replica, it has some history to it. We should should learn from our history so it doesn't repeat itself.
That’s what museums are for. Not your personal home. No nazi paraphernalia has any place in any persons home at least after, assuming, the soldier who doesn’t sympathize w them took it from them during the war. Donate it to a museum. Don’t profit off of it with an auction, which I believe is also illegal to profit off that shit
Compared to the computer or phone you built yourself out of materials you mined and forged yourself? Not sure if your post is being made to stick up for Nazi collecting…
So a company is selling something that's not theirs for money.....how horrible.
Sure nazis are pieces of shit however they're not illegal or anything; mf'ers are stupid.
It's likely an estate auction, so... it does belong to the auction company. The whole collection looks like someone died and then their garage junk got purchased to resell.
That's what auction companies do? It's kind of the point, they offer money to someone who wants to get rid of tons of stuff because it's inconvenient to sell a lifetime's worth of possessions piecemeal.
Not sure what part of this you have an issue with.
you called yourself that, i just said you're threatened by this post that your only addition to this thread is OP let's investigate you.
love how you think being a nazi is an "interest" LMFAO
People on here defending nazi paraphernalia clearly don’t have any family that served in WWII or had family flee Europe to escape the Nazis. Wild things you’ll see people say on this sub.
It's wild how after 8,000 views we're still sitting at zero karma Apparently pretty much exactly half this sub think that "collectors" buying nazi paraphernalia is normal and good, and that **I** am the weird asshole for having a negative reaction to seeing shit with swastikas on it for sale.
It's wild how you can't seem to comprehend that an entire generation brought back these items as trophies after *literally* killing Nazis, which is more than any person on this sub has ever done about Nazis, and that this isn't about believing in the symbolism and is actually pretty common.
Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers *fucking hated Nazis and Imperial Japan* to the point they wouldn't even buy products from those countries for the rest of their lives.
If I had just iced some Japanese or German soldier, I'd take a trophy too.
Bra, no one is disputing that American soldiers brought back nazi drab from the Europe. My great grandfather brought back a book signed by Heinrich Himler himself.
After at least 3 generations removed people aren’t obtaining that stuff because of *history* or even knowing the soldier that brought the paraphernalia back. Defending people today buying that stuff is gross asf
Incase you haven’t be living in modern times there’s a massive facist movement happening and that’s why obtaining nazi drab is *en vogue*
And mind you, owning anything Nazi like in Europe, especially Germany is super illegal asf for a reason.
Damn wild times we live in.
You know how much Nazi stuff my grandpa showed me that he brought back from Europe after WW2? A lot(including a Nazi flag)… are you saying that he’s wrong for bringing back war trophies and keeping them? No one here is a Nazi, but we understand history, I don’t see anyone defending Nazi’s, we just look at it as a part of history, history no one wants to repeat
Kudos to your family serving in WWII. I had one great grandparent serve there and bring back a book personally signed by Heinrich Himmler and another great grandparent give the ultimate sacrifice and is buried in an American cemetery in France. Kind of a weird flex to be proud that Nazi drab is still circulating around society still to this day.
OP and I are not against what our relatives did after the war, it’s what people are doing now just auctioning off that hateful stuff that is the big problem.
Theres a reason why everything remotely close to Nazi paraphernalia is super illegal in all of Europe and especially in Germany.
So like... I looked through all 19 pages of active lots, and there's comic books, toys, video games, mall ninja stuff, baseball cards, weird used cowboy boots, etc. in addition to two *world war II* Nazi flags. Having done estate/auction stuff before, it is significantly less likely that this was an actual Nazi sympathizer and more like a late Boomer or gen Xer who had a lot of collectible things, who got the Nazi stuff from someone (probably a family member) who brought it back as a trophy. Being an old weirdo recluse isn't illegal, unless you know for sure something the rest of us don't. Otherwise, get the fuck out with your hyperbole and move on with your life. lol.
My god, someone who can think critically and not just scream about how anything they think is bad certainly is? 
I bet the OP's head would spin if he'd look into NM's history a bit.... Swastikas everywhere.
Nazi swastika is different. And I’m also one for saying we should try to reclaim it. It’s dead. Nazis ruined it like they ruin absolutely everything.
How is it different? Don't see any difference in Coal and Coke train car in Cimarron or the drop cloth in Raton theatre, hell, there's still a town called Swastika in Ontario.
Maybe you should look at them side by side. It’s pretty obviously different between one from India or surrounding regions origins and the Nazi one
Lol, ok
So you clearly don’t understand what direction or tilt mean here so… guess we’re done. Enjoy living under a rock
In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (clockwise) (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ('sun'), prosperity and good luck, while the left-facing symbol (counter-clockwise) (卍) is called sauvastika, symbolising night or tantric aspects of Kali.
So what did you learn about the difference between what you see there and what the Nazis used? Cause you’re still not there quite yet…
Lol, ok...
oh boy
Nobody should hold onto that shit as a collectible. Ever. It should be donated to museums. Not displayed in a home for ANY reason. I get that if the family member brought it back as a trophy that’s one thing. If they’re dead, then donate it.
Who said it was displayed? It's perfectly acceptable to have heirlooms. Even if it were displayed, it sparks a story about how it was taken as a trophy in a fight against actual fascists. I have a small silk Imperial Japanese flag that was a trophy. I have firearms that were trophies. It really isn't that weird or an endorsement to own them. There's many more people who think this way. Also plenty of people out there with Che Guevara shirts and such which are actively displayed. Immediately panicking at the sight of a symbol simply continues to give the symbol the power the intended effect over the viewer, which is to cause fear, anxiety, and intimidation. I'm not saying these should be a casual thing to see but be rational and don't let an object with no intention or context cast that much of a shadow.
I stand by nobody personally needs a Nazi heirloom. Absolutely not one person. Give it to a museum. But I mean I’m gonna ask this with no snarkiness or malice or assumptions about you, just wanna say that because it’s written and easy to misinterpret vocal intent in writing, but w your flag or firearms are you of any Japanese descent or are you Jewish etc? I ask only cause yes a symbol means a lot to me as a Jew. It’s impossible for me to NOT see a swastika solely as a symbol of hate and genocide. And I definitely don’t want the past to be forgotten or disappear but again that’s what photos and museums are for over someone’s personal collection. My grandpa brought home trophies from ww2. They’ve been donated. I have absolutely zero need for them to be in our home now.
My ancestry includes people affected. I view symbols like this, and their display (*as part of someone's beliefs*) as intentionally inflammatory and choose to not give them that power. One of the more odd collectors I met was actually Jewish and he owned a garage full of symbols. He did it because he felt it was taking some of the power and symbolism away from its intended purpose and watering it down as to be a curiosity or joke.
Totally fair. Thanks for not getting offended by my question there though I really do sincerely like to hear people’s reasoning even if it differs from mine on this matter. For me I’ve also worked on several movies or tv shows w Nazi characters (don’t worry always painted in a negative way haha) but I’ve found it bothersome to have to provide some of those things for the projects to be made. I’ve also done a film about the kkk in the 50s and that also felt awful to have to provide shit for it. I can also choose not to take some of these jobs and usually there’s snide stuff snuck into these projects anyway to poke fun. The hitler clock w a photo of him and his raised right arm was the minute hand was pretty funny. But yeah. All in all, personally I just don’t see any value or point in keeping that shit whatsoever. I fully understand why the soldiers, in most cases, took trophies though. Just time to move on from them for me. I still don’t think we’ll ever reclaim the symbols proper form any of these scenarios though because they’re too widely still used for that their original purpose is. Hell even the confederate flag is flown overseas, which I’ve seen w my own eyes on several occasions, because the swastika flag is banned. So they fly that because they all know it’s only a symbol of hate now. I can appreciate the fight to take the power away, but until Nazis are stopped for good that’s not possible to reclaim the symbols. And we’re busy celebrating them here instead for some ungodly reason haha.
If it's actually from Nazi era Germany then it's got appeal to some historical collectors.
We have a name for people who collect nazi stuff.
I understand your sentiment but it is narrow minded. There is a difference between historical collectors and pro Nazi sympathizers. And before anyone asks no, I don't have Nazi paraphernalia.
Yeah I’m not going to be open minded toward Nazis buying nazi shit. The only place that symbol belongs is in history books, not actual stuff for people to collect from an auction.
You don't see the irony here?
People defending people buying nazi drab is wild
I'm simply explaining that I have the capacity to understand that they may not be Nazis. You, on the other hand, don't have that capacity. Which is fine. Have a good day.
As someone who knows three military/war historians, having an actual Nazi flag is not something that’s coveted unless you have other Nazi memorabilia to make it a real rounded *collection*. Having just one thing of Nazi memorabilia is weird and pretty sus.
Yeah and?
Now you know 👏
I also know that you are pretentious. So what?
Welp When you can’t debate the facts you make personal attacks. Says all there is about you. ✌️
Don't worry, no one would have asked, they'd just assume
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Because I'm not that interested in Nazi history and I'm not a Nazi.
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Yeah I thought you were asking me, I'm not sure why I got a notification for your comment that was to the other guy it looks like. Sorry.
Nothing narrow minded about it. It should be destroyed
Your opinion
If you are worried about it surviving as a piece of history then it should be in a museum. Otherwise, burn this shit
I'm not worried about it. I just understand that people find value in different things and I can also understand valuing something like this while not believing in the philosophy it represents. I'm sorry you can't, but I also don't really care
Can we at the very least agree on fuck Nazis?
Well yeah fuck Nazis.
There’s no appeal to anything nazi.. those things should be destroyed
I mean. It’s history. That’s the same logic as book burning.
Books actually provide a real use. Nazi memorabilia should belong in a museum or be burned. People can look up Nazi symbols all they want on the internet.
Your opinion
What does a hypothetical "historical collector" do with a Nazi flag once they own it? Because again, we have a name for people who hang Nazi flags in their house.
Probably display it.... in a collection of history....?
You never heard of soldiers bringing back war trophies?
A war trophy is ... usually not a pristine flag of a person's enemy. Hanging a flag *means something*.
It looks like it’s been folded up, so it could be pristine because it hasn’t been displayed for over 50 years. If I had more time, I would buy it and donate to a museum or just burn it.
Crazy that you didn't see the irony here.
Only a museum should be collecting that shit. Not a person. And isn’t it illegal to buy and sell Nazi ww2 shit?
No, why would it be illegal? Morally and ethically I agree with you 100%. Selling or buying it is disgusting and makes you a garbage person.
Just looked it up. Not all materials are illegal to sell or buy but a lot of it is heavily prohibited. It’s more prohibited in other countries. Profiteering off of mass deaths and war crimes is why it’s illegal in part.
It's not illegal anywhere in the US. Maybe it should be, but you'd have to take that up with a Constitutional Amendment.
in the US?
Man, half the fun of estate sales/antique shops is seeing the unhinged knick knacks that were celebrated in decades/centuries past. It doesn't need to be fetishized or anything, it's just stuff.
It was pretty common for returning veterans to bring home flags and other memorabilia: [https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/captured-nazi-flags](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/captured-nazi-flags) [https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/photograph-records/72-3951](https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/photograph-records/72-3951) Families end up with the flags and don't want to throw them away because they have familial and historical interest, but they also have a hard time donating them because museums generally have enough of such things and don't need more.
Maybe Justice Alito is buying it so he can blame his wife for another flag.
😂 kudos to you brother!
These people live rent free in your head, it's kind of sad
Which people are those? There’s a lot of voices in here, you’re going to have to be more specific.
The ones you made some dumb unrelated partisan joke about.
The Supreme Court is partisan?
I'm going to go with the same type of argument as freedom of speech does not mean freedom from judgement. People are free to own Nazi shit as "collectors" and other people are free to give them side eye. At the end of the day I just hope we can all agree fuck Nazis, yeah?
Sorry a history buff here. If this truly from the Nazi regime and not a replica, it has some history to it. We should should learn from our history so it doesn't repeat itself.
That’s what museums are for. Not your personal home. No nazi paraphernalia has any place in any persons home at least after, assuming, the soldier who doesn’t sympathize w them took it from them during the war. Donate it to a museum. Don’t profit off of it with an auction, which I believe is also illegal to profit off that shit
*Typed on iPhone built and mined with foreign slave labor
Compared to the computer or phone you built yourself out of materials you mined and forged yourself? Not sure if your post is being made to stick up for Nazi collecting…
Selective outrage is the point
A literal Nazi flag is not needed to learn about history
There's a pretty distinct to me difference between learning from history and owning a Nazi flag.
I mean, I own a WWII-era Japanese flag, but I'm not about to go torture civilians in medical experiments. There is a difference.
I think it's something that should be in a museum.
So a company is selling something that's not theirs for money.....how horrible. Sure nazis are pieces of shit however they're not illegal or anything; mf'ers are stupid.
It's likely an estate auction, so... it does belong to the auction company. The whole collection looks like someone died and then their garage junk got purchased to resell.
Yea and what I'm saying is the company doesn't care about what is being sold they just want to profit off of some dead persons junk
That's what auction companies do? It's kind of the point, they offer money to someone who wants to get rid of tons of stuff because it's inconvenient to sell a lifetime's worth of possessions piecemeal. Not sure what part of this you have an issue with.
Cool it down a bit, Karen.
I don’t think you understand that term. lol.
Seems to me that DarkElf understands it perfectly
A Karen inherently punches down. Punching a Nazi is always good. Lol
I will buy the flag and burn it. It would be fun.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcmDOUN8NI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcmDOUN8NI)
OP why don’t you let us have a tour of your house so we can critique your interests.
lol triggered by OPs post? That’s not super sus 😂
why, you feeling that threatened by this post that you felt defensive?
Yeah, you got me. I’m a Nazi because I don’t get hopping mad about estate sale items.
There’s a reason why all things nazi are illegal in Europe and especially in Germany. 🙄😪 I can’t with you people.
you called yourself that, i just said you're threatened by this post that your only addition to this thread is OP let's investigate you. love how you think being a nazi is an "interest" LMFAO
Yeah, just like having a copy of Blazing Saddles in your DVD library makes you a racist. (This is not to suggest you've even seen that movie).
Blazing Saddles is not a racist movie. It’s a movie that makes fun of racists.
Oh.
Blazing saddles didn’t result in the death of 75 million people. Whats it like living on earth 2?
People on here defending nazi paraphernalia clearly don’t have any family that served in WWII or had family flee Europe to escape the Nazis. Wild things you’ll see people say on this sub.
It's wild how after 8,000 views we're still sitting at zero karma Apparently pretty much exactly half this sub think that "collectors" buying nazi paraphernalia is normal and good, and that **I** am the weird asshole for having a negative reaction to seeing shit with swastikas on it for sale.
It's wild how you can't seem to comprehend that an entire generation brought back these items as trophies after *literally* killing Nazis, which is more than any person on this sub has ever done about Nazis, and that this isn't about believing in the symbolism and is actually pretty common. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers *fucking hated Nazis and Imperial Japan* to the point they wouldn't even buy products from those countries for the rest of their lives. If I had just iced some Japanese or German soldier, I'd take a trophy too.
And it's wild how you can't seem to comprehend that strangers buying that nazi crap a few generations later is a completely different context.
OP you’re 100% right and we both know that. 🙌
Bra, no one is disputing that American soldiers brought back nazi drab from the Europe. My great grandfather brought back a book signed by Heinrich Himler himself. After at least 3 generations removed people aren’t obtaining that stuff because of *history* or even knowing the soldier that brought the paraphernalia back. Defending people today buying that stuff is gross asf Incase you haven’t be living in modern times there’s a massive facist movement happening and that’s why obtaining nazi drab is *en vogue* And mind you, owning anything Nazi like in Europe, especially Germany is super illegal asf for a reason. Damn wild times we live in.
You know how much Nazi stuff my grandpa showed me that he brought back from Europe after WW2? A lot(including a Nazi flag)… are you saying that he’s wrong for bringing back war trophies and keeping them? No one here is a Nazi, but we understand history, I don’t see anyone defending Nazi’s, we just look at it as a part of history, history no one wants to repeat
Kudos to your family serving in WWII. I had one great grandparent serve there and bring back a book personally signed by Heinrich Himmler and another great grandparent give the ultimate sacrifice and is buried in an American cemetery in France. Kind of a weird flex to be proud that Nazi drab is still circulating around society still to this day. OP and I are not against what our relatives did after the war, it’s what people are doing now just auctioning off that hateful stuff that is the big problem. Theres a reason why everything remotely close to Nazi paraphernalia is super illegal in all of Europe and especially in Germany.
Nobody's defending Nazi paraphernalia *if it is part of their family's history as a trophy.
The post is literally about someone auctioning off the sht.
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Good work, Putin’s mouthpiece. “It’s Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt”
Pretty cool what-aboutism along with misinformation about Ukraine.
EXCUSE YOU, 75 MILLION PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF WWII. Get out.
Obviously people who care about one thing do not care about anything else.