Hey dude, thanks for all the support. So this wasn’t actually discovered in the jungle. Cacaxtla is a very arid area, sitting at the base of a massive volcano that covered the city in volcanic ash around 900 AD and preserved this mural.
The handbag imagery is very anomalous. I conservatively interpret it as a shaman bringing his “bag of tricks” or perhaps water (life).
But it is strange that we see these figures in largely the same pose. At the very least, it’s just another example of how ancient cultures all around the world, and across different timelines are tapped into many of the same ideas
I’ve wondered if what’s in the bag is not an offering, but a collection receptacle. So the interpretation would be, “I’ll give you knowledge and wisdom, but I’m going to need ____ in return, please place in receptacle.”
Indeed an exchange. Not sure how familiar you are with modern UFO lore, but there is an anecdote out there about Eisenhower allowing an exchange of abductions and for Visitors to experiment/take DNA, in exchange for technology. Perhaps this exchange is as old as human history.
Following that line of thinking then do you think it’s possible said exchange has a baby in that receptacle. Human sacrifice isn’t too out there. If the one holding the bigger bag is supposed to be a human, the size ratios seems right and if the smaller bag holder is supposed to be some deity, that could explain the smaller relative size.
In Egyptian art and sculpture wings and similar imagery of birds on or behind the head or torso represented a higher state of consciousness/enlightenment. I believe what is being shown with this iconic cross cultural figure is the gift of enlightenment pertaining to reality and consciousness. The pine cone is being offered and this represents the dissemination of knowledge. The pine cone could also be symbolic of a psilocybin mushroom. The pine cone is also at the level of the figures pineal gland and therefore the pineal gland of whoever it’s being presented too. Historically the pine cone is also symbolic of the pineal gland, which is considered the seat of consciousness in eastern philosophy. So the “pine cone” theoretically represents the gift of higher consciousness/enlightenment through some sort of stimulation of the mind/pineal gland.
His left foot forward could represent heart centric thinking/compassion/love.
The basket imo is not a basket but rather a pale or bucket of water, symbolic of the waters of life.
I think this figure either represented a real life enlightened shamanic type figure that would raise people’s consciousness and living conditions out of the depths of ignorance like a saviour type leading the way, or it was a symbolic archetype from its culture representing a higher way of being.
Technically the pineal gland is named after the pine cone seed because of their resemblance to one another. The pine cone is much easier to discern in an image or sculpture than the tiny seed is and it carries the meaning and symbol of the gland perfectly. Joseph Campbell talks about it in The power of myth series.
I honestly don’t know how you’d find it. It was unearthed at an archaeological site called Cacaxtla, in the main palace.
But I highly doubt there is anything written about this figure in particular. You could try a reverse image search. I went and grabbed an archaeologist working there and he said he thought it was a shaman too.
A lot of ancient Mesoamerica is totally without context. It’s literally a lost world
Makes sense.. I hate when archeologist say how they have a great idea about all that stuff then proceed to tell a bunch of nosensical BS as explanations then went on to shit on people like Arthur Posnansky who spent his whole life researching south america from multi disciplinary point of view with a humble mindset.
Cool photo anyways!
It might be helpful to provide where specifically this figure is found on the murals. I would be surprised if there wasn't some literature to provide context given that there are academic publications which talk about the murals in depth.
I'm not particularly familiar with the archaeology in this context, but from what I've seen the publications do go into some detail about the imagery.
There are a series of books "La pintura mural prehispánica en México" which might be a good starting point.
> http://www.ebooks.esteticas.unam.mx/collections/show/8
The descriptions promise analysis of specific elements of the murals and a fair amount of other relevant literature is cited.
> The books are dedicated to the study, from different disciplines, of the mural painting of Cacaxtla, Tlaxcala, which was developed during the Mesoamerican Epiclassic. New iconographic readings are proposed, as well as new data on the temporality of the site and its mural painting.
> This catalog presents the record, the photographic record and the drawings of each of the murals at the site. As a whole, it is the result of a multidisciplinary effort in which specialists from different areas -architecture, astronomy, biology, archaeology, epigraphy, conservation and history, among others- have collaborated, with art history as the main axis, to unravel the mysteries of these iconic murals of the Central Altiplano.
> The first volume of the studies dedicated to the Cacaxtla mural painting presents seven proposals of specialists, from different branches of knowledge, that have studied the mural painting of this important site. It contains articles on: the architecture and its relationship with the murals; archaeoastronomy of mural painting; color and technique of the mural painting; as well as the history of the conservation of this pictorial legacy. The fifth paper presents a proposal on the number of painters likely to have executed the paintings through an identification of personal styles. Finally, the last two studies, carried out by specialists in epigraphy at the University of Copenhagen, address the issue of Mayan influence in the iconography of Cacaxtla and hieroglyphic writing reflected on the walls.
> The first three articles of the second volume of the studies in Cacaxtla have as an axis the study of biological representations in mural painting. The first addresses the identification of species of birds portrayed, the second presents a study of the representations of felines in the murals, while in the third we find an identification of plant species that are represented in the paintings. The fourth section focuses on the Templo Rojo and its relationship with Mayan iconography. In the ensuing two articles, carried out by the same researchers, we have an interpretation of the murals of La Batalla and Edificio A as a narrative program, and the proposal for a historical dimension in the murals. The mural known as La Batalla is the theme of the final two articles: the first develops a proposal of new interpretation of the mural and the last one analyses the representations of the shields that appear in it.
I did go through the effort to pull up sources with hundreds of pages on the murals. I haven't had time to go though them to look for this specific image yet.
I think asking for the specific location of an image someone else provided is reasonable.
Especially if this grainy photo is the only one that exists. Its so grainy for all we know its AI. Looks like somebody got it off crystallinks in 2001.
There are similarities with other Mesoamerican images that I've seen. I know that I've seen murals with similar skin color and leg wrappings before. It's certainly possible that it exists. I haven't found a direct match in the catalog of the murals, although I've only had time for a cursory look.
I'm always surprised that the first instinct for people sharing images like this isn't to provide a good source though. Especially for a site like Cacaxtla with good archaeological documentation. Why not provide more detailed information if you know where it comes from?
So I've got a few things, to start thanks for sharing this, I've known of the handbags for years now. But these two images are easily the most similar out of any I've seen. If the man in the image on the left had a beard, wings, and a pinecone in his hand like the other similar Sumerian reliefs of this image do. Personally it would prove to me with out any doubt the two images are depicting the same thing.
I can tell he has something in the hand but i can't quite tell what it is. Either way this is incredibly intriguing for many reasons. The hand position and pose, the band across his head, the robe/ skirt they're both wearing, the diagonal leg wraps. That's a lot of very specific details in common and It's very hard for me to believe that these two images are unrelated to each other.
While were on that topic, you mentioned on the Koncrete podcast the theory about monument 13 in la venta potentially depicting a Phoenician traveler due to the flag and the turban. Considering that is dated to 900 to 400 BCE.. And this is dated too 900 AD. And the close proximity of the Phoenicians in Syria to the Sumerians in Iraq. It makes me wonder if that "traveler" was the source of this information and the inspiration for the mural. I'm not saying it is but unless it's some kind of forgery the similarity of these two depictions is hard to ignore.
And due to that fact I come to the conclusion either there was a precursor image that both creators of the respective murals had access to before ending up on different continents, century's apart, in civilizations that supposedly did not have contact with each other.
Or they did have contact with each other and the mural in Cacaxtla is just a reinterpretation of the Sumerian reliefs from thousand of years before. Potentially due to the Phoenician "Traveler" bringing this information to the region.
The most telling thing to me is we see it at one of the earliest megalithic sites (gobekli tepi), and the most remote (Easter Island) allegedly 11k years apart. Imo there's no explanation other than an antediluvian civilization that can rationalize this.
> there's no explanation other than an antediluvian civilization that can rationalize this.
There are literally many explanations. One of which is called independent convergence. This I find much more plausible than the Biblical Antediluvian. When and if there is evidence that establishes otherwise, I am going to believe that over so many eons that the billions of humans that came before us just happen to behave similarly and do similar things, despite geography. Like carry things in bags, or buckets or purses. And that those sorts of things will be depicted in their art.
They're doing the same thing. I don't understand why nobody is surprised that every society represents actions in the same way, except this one. Is it strange that everyone is shown holding a spear in the same way, wearing nearly the same thing with similar facial hair?
How about this for a wild explanation: every culture needed bags to carry stuff around. A bit like why we still use bags like this now - they're quite useful.
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Handbag petroglyph from out in California. Sometimes I feel like I'm pretty close to figuring out what these may be..it's like a fleeting "Aha!" moment that evaporates instantly.
Yeah, I'm going to need an explanation for that.
All I'm saying is that you don't need an elaborate explanation for people all over the world creating images of people putting things in bags, because that is something that people do all over the world.
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Exactly. The impulse to create art is the same everywhere, and all art is based on human experience. They depict their gods or whatever carrying shopping bags because that's what people do, same reason they depict their gods wearing clothes or sitting on chairs.
Although to be fair some cultures depict their “Gods” (if these are Gods we don’t know) in a pose that is somehow significant, such as Buddha in seated meditation or Jesus on the Cross.
I don't doubt that the scenes depicted here, at least the one with the winged guy, are important to their narratives.
But Buddha seated in meditation and Christ on the Cross are both great examples of what you can't know without being familiar with the narrative.
The guy from the image on the left could just be from a scene of normal day-to-day life on the wall of a marketplace or something. Or he could be the most important god of the culture. Maybe what he is picking is important, maybe what he is putting it into is important, maybe the important thing is that he picked. Maybe he just has the bag because the artist thought it would help people connect their own lived experiences to whatever the artist was trying to depict. Maybe the bag is some crucial symbol in their culture.
We just can't know, but the mere existence of multiple images of guys picking things and putting them into bags is not surprising given how common this behavior is all over the world.
Edit: Ooooh! I think I get your santa claus/easter bunny line from earlier! You're saying that we have culturally important characters who put things into bags or baskets, but for all different reasons, even within our own culture. Yeah, I guess you could say that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny told me not to make too much out of a character putting something into a bag.
Haha I know yeah but my point was a bit sarcastic and the normie I was replying to didn’t understand it and thought I was agreeing with his ‘trust the science’ interpretation. They’re not sending their best people.
There's no mystery in people carrying things in bags and giving things to each other. The pictures looking alike are purely coincidence and due to the limitations of drawing people in 2D. Is it mysterious that there are cave paintings all around the world of people carrying sticks and spears? No, because people needed to hunt and people needed to carry stuff around.
I can get behind the idea that there was cultures having the same ideas when it comes to things like pyramids. Idealistic structure built to stand the test of time. But the same pose, with the same "artifact", along different cultures divided by great amounts of time? I can't chalk it up to a coincidence.
I agree! I don’t think it is coincidence at all. I think there’s something here that we can’t explain thus far. I’ve often wondered if ancient cultures are connected by psychedelics. It’s irrefutable that they were ALL involved in psychedelic practices. So maybe rather than being directly connected to eachother; they’re all tapping into the same “source”, if that makes sense?
The pose looks like someone picking fruits. My guess has always been that it's the Civilizing Hero(s) picking the secrets of the gods, like Promotheus and fire, to bring them back to the people in his bag of goodies.
That ties in to the whole UAP story for me, Diana Pasulka's take on it specifically. Some people seem to reach out into the aether and pick up pieces of information to bring back and dispense among the plebian masses. These would be the Civilizing Heros.
How random, I literally just listened to your Snake Bros interview today. I have a vision of you Indiana Jones abseiling into pyramids with trees growing out of them after your excellent descriptions. I also have a new found fear of heat seeking snakes!
Yes, this is a natural pose and natural way to draw it. The sample is still same human. And the bag is most natural thing to have in a hand. It’s not as if they both had a figure of a cat with three tails and a palm tree growing out of the nose, that would be more than a coincidence, and still could be explained by it.
Like where are the fucking wings on the American guy?
Are there ANY examples of wings on American mythological figures? In the Old World we can trace the winged messengers of the gods back to the Zoroastrians in literature, and even further to Egypt, India and Sumer in iconography.
There actually is an example of winged figures hidden in a chamber of El Miradors pyramid in the most remote of the Maya cities in Guatemala.
It dates all the way back to around 200 BC. Almost nobody is allowed inside the chamber and very few photos of it exist online
How did you get started doing this? I would absolutely love to be able to go on these types of expeditions to central and South America. Any advice or anything you could tell me would be appreciated!
Yeah, unless this guy is showing where he found it and there are others that can be independently verified, my best guess is the Mexican one is an early 20th century reproduction of Egyptian art that got tossed out or someone's grandpa had in the attic, and was "discovered" 100 years later and thought to be authentic. There are a TON of those out there thanks to a few unscrupulous individuals creating fake meso American artifacts for tourists and local museums, but copying Egyptian art because it was more readily available in book form at the time.
Thank you for bringing rationale and context to this. So many people let their imaginations run away with this kind of stuff, while knowing little to nothing of the cultures and peoples producing the art. We need more scientific engagement on these subs. A lot of people take what's posted on subs like this as pure fact. I love all the theories and ideas, but when people start disregarding history and culture and begin story writing is when it becomes a little too History Channel for me to take seriously. This world is interesting enough without the added fantasy. I wish people could appreciate that. :)
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Idk if this would be interpreted as a hand bag, but there are many like this in petroglyphs in utah.
I’d like to think that ancient humans were sea travelers and did so at a much earlier time than we give them credit for. Maybe the reason we see these bags everywhere and same pose is like the same reason we see soccer everywhere. An ancient practice, with similar objects and tools, invented long ago by some ancient (human) civilization but adapted later on around the world through trade and sea travel. The bag probably represents the trade. I mean could the most obvious answer be it? The wings representing “gods” were just them paying homage to the (slightly) more advanced peoples that visited and traded with them a few hundred years earlier.
Is it really a mystery that ancient people from all corners of the world made bags to carry stuff around?? The bags or buckets (you can't tell in some images) have a completely utilitarian purpose - it's why we still use the same design today thousands of years later. It actually makes perfect sense that every culture would make things like this and therefore it shouldn't come as a surprise or "shocking discovery".
The mystery isn't that they had bags, it's that the pose itself is copied across the world. The bag can be found by itself elsewhere, but without the context of the pose it's just a bag.
False equivalence. Graffiti was preserved by volcanic ash. Carvings in stone have always had some significance from Greek marbles to David to a simple headstone. This picture is art, not graffiti.
Did they draw someone taking a shit? A very mundane thing that’s a bit more significant than holding a bag.
Idk what you mean by cosmic, just that the bag and the pose are probably significant to their stories somehow. Just as Buddha in seated meditation is significant and can be found all across Asia.
In a 2D drawing, there's only a few ways to draw the arm - down by the side, away from the body or pointing up. If they are carrying something in a bag, is it really that crazy to think they might be offering something from the bag by holding their arm out?
And in these drawings, the bag hand is coming across the body. Therefore, in order to show the empty hand, the artist is almost forced to put it in that reaching out/forward position above it. With thousands upon thousands of carvings made on rock, it's inevitable that some would end up looking similar.
You only have to apply the tiniest bit of logic to these "mysteries" and they cease being mysteries altogether.
I think the photo on the left actually has the bag hand in the back. You can faintly see the shoulder decorations on the raised hand. The bag also goes behind his clothes on the bottom corner. I could be wrong though, it's blurry. Even then, I think you can agree it's still kind of a luck thing that the only depictions of this bag have that pose and don't vary much. The similarities also tend to be more than [just how they positioned the hand](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/PbA4N2NVzF)
I understand that there is a possibility everyone has similar ideas, but I think the more odd similarities just points less to them all accidentally doing the same thing and more to them originally having an idea to go off of and then slowly drifting/forgetting about it.
[Here's a 30 minutes video](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/PbA4N2NVzF) specifically showing all the odd similarities between these ancient cultures.
All cultures probably picked fruit off trees and used a bucket or bag to carry them, and there's not too many ways to depict this in stone carvings. this looks just like me picking raspberries a couple days ago, one hand out plucking fruit the other holding an outstretched bucket to catch them in.
Shocking discovery! Ancient cultures from every corner of the world painted men with sharp pointy sticks chasing animals! Proof of ancient technology sharing? Why did this technology disappear?
It's more just kinda classifying a bunch of different hand held things as hand bags.
In Akkad, where most of the Mesopotamian panels come from, they're buckets of holy water used during a cleansing and fertility ritual.
Which shows how deep this analysis is, it's people running off these things looks similar so they are similar and therefore the same thing.
At least one example pulled from south America is a depiction of a ritualized sacred drink of spiced chocolate. It's a cup, not a hand bag or a bucket.
Austin Millbarge : It's a Sat Scrambler Terminal - sophisticated system for sending, scrambling, receiving and unscrambling satellite messages.
Emmett Fitz-Hume : So, she's a sophisticated woman.
Austin Millbarge : It's a highly classified piece of intelligence hardware.
Emmett Fitz-Hume : So, she's a high class, intelligent piece!
This has nothing to do with “omg a basket!!” This is more like, “here’s another example of a civilization that was so interested in a man with the same pose and handbag as the other civilizations that they carved the image into stone.”
Why were all these spread out civilizations (through land and time) so fixated on this similar looking guy with a similar looking bag? Who’s the guy? What’s in the bag? These are interesting questions to ask
The depictions from Akkad are carrying a bucket of holy water for a fertility ritual.
I don't know all the south American ones, but one at least is a depiction of a ritual of a holy drink of spiced chocolate.
The guys look similar because it's, well. A guy. There's only so many poses of holding a thing in your hand you can depict side on.
Which is why it's not surprising that over 5,000 years of history you're going to find similar depictions.
Shhhh... Quiet please. You're making a lot of sense but this is not the place. Bags (or baskets) are uber advanced tech. At least that's what they say.
It really looks like a person picking in an orchard. Could be the most visually basic way to draw a person picking (olives, apples, stone fruit, etc…)? That would be fun. Orchards are also so deeply tied to culture and the concept of place/ life/ death - I can see how it would be important enough to deify across many different groups.
The handbag on the left is from wish. Also, my apologies for contributing nothing to this post, I just had a sudden urge to share what popped into my head.
The bag represents that individual bringing knowledge to the people. It’s usually draw as a bag of seeds, as in, seeding knowledge, although that one is more like a modern handbag which is interesting.
You see the figure on the right has wings, that represents that individual can fly ie., they have access to a spaceship, and you seen many winged figures, often sitting down in glyphs. If you see a figure with feathers on their head, like modern day Native American shamans or chiefs, that means, that individual can fly mentally ie., interact with astral realms.
The symbology is actually quite easy, once you know. And yes, the fact that it’s all over the world is indicative of a more advanced past, but not surprising as they had the capability of air travel. As we know, that makes the world a small place.
I enjoy reading about stuff like this..
one thing is- I look around, to this day... I see people with, backpacks.. purses.. just, stuff carried. why would that be any different back then.. maybe that "pose" is saying, carry who - you - are.
I mean ... something ? lol..
another thing to point out, i can look around and all that, see all these bags people carry etc.. how many of them are carrying something absolutely life changing...
I think the Sumerian example is generally interpreted as a water bucket. As in, bringing water for the tree of life. We'd need to see the full context of the Mesoamerican mural to understand its meaning.
I read recently in this Roswell Interview document posted that these "purses" and "pinecones" also seen were actually scanners for finding those who got stuck on Earth from this Galactic Federation during events between NHI groups, if I understood it properly.
I'll try to edit and add a link to the document later today for reference, I am curious what others think about it.
Excuse me. But how do you know it is a hand bag? Is there evidence to back up these claims like recovered bags at burial sites? Depictions of how the bags were used? Or could it be that it is something else like a tool or symbology of an item used by their culture for another purpose. How do you absolutely know it is a handbag?
Not saying you are wrong. Or why it is such a shocking discovery. I mean I'd imagine people have made things to put items in much further back than 900AD. Just wondering what physical or other evidence backs up this claim.
From the “ Alien Interview “ pages : 227- 231, missing Battalion, the “ Domain “ search party consisted of 900 officers of the Domain , divided into teams of 300 each , one team searched the land , another one searched the oceans , and the other team searched the space surrounding the Earth, the Domain search party divided a wide variety of electronic detection devices needed to track the electronic signature or wavelength of each the missing members of the battalion. Some were used in space , others on land and special devices were invented to detect “ IS - BES” under water the tool designed to detect the presence of life , this was a large electronic screen generator designed to permeate wide areas, a portable version of this detection device was carried by each of the members of the Domain search party . Stone Carvings in Sumeria show winged beings using “ Pinecone - Shape “ instruments to scan the bodies of human beings . They also shown carrying the power unit for the scanner which are depicted as stylized baskets or Water Buckets, being carried by eagle- headed , winged beings .
OK but really, does anyone have any clue why this is prevalent everywhere and what its supposed to actually represent? Do we have any evidence outside of wild speculation? Its so bizarre.
What’s in the bag is a raise in technology for everyone in tune with the great Mind. To stop Remus from being killed by Romulus ( in the case of our civilization killing the earth to create itself.) We are ment to be in tune it got fucked up a hundred years ago, we have been sucking the earth too dry. It’s time to open the bag and rise.
I don't understand what is so fascinating about a cloth carrying device with handles.
This is like being fascinated because people across the world wore skirts.
Preach brother! If all the pictures showed them carrying the bags on their feet while performing a handstand blindfolded then it would be something to get excited about.
I am very lost. Do we think ancient people didn’t have bags, buckets, baskets? Or is there something being found that points to these being more than that?
Bear with me here folks. I think ancient people may have used some sort of device to make it easier for them carry many small things at once. This lost technology could transform modern society, where the only way to carry many small things is to make multiple trips. Who hasn't walked two apples to their car from the grocery store, then gone back for two more apples, dozens and dozens of times, thinking "There has got to be a better way!" Well, the ancients had the kind of deep insight into these problems that could only come from aliens, which is why I believe they made use of an advanced labor-saving technology I call a "bag."
In all seriousness, can somebody summarize what the deal with the handbags is? I don't think that any mainstream historians deny that ancient societies probably had bag technology.
An even greater mystery could be the same "hand out in front" pose. This is clearly evidence of some kind of advanced shared civilisation. Why?? because there are so many ways to give something to someone. You could...
- Hold the item high above their head and drop it on them.
- Bend over and pass the item between your legs
- Pass it to them while doing a one-handed handstand
- Kick it at them like a football
The fact that in these pictures people are not doing this proves they had been given a shared knowledge of how to offer items from the technology you refer to as "bag".
I think it all started with Graham H and his theory that they are “civilization bringers”. But I don’t think that’s what Luke is saying. I think Luke says he doesn’t know exactly what it means like the spiral patterns he showed all around the world too
He commented above. The notion that these characters depict shaman, tricksters, or civilization bringers all seems pretty consistent with mainstream history. Not least because all of those characters share a similar root in many traditions. The trickster is only one delivery of fire away from becoming a civilization bringer, and the role of shaman is to access the wisdom of mythological characters by reenacting part of their narrative. The idea that multiple cultures would represent this figure as plucking some source of wisdom or enlightenment from a tree like the societies gathered their food seems quite reasonable.
So the remarkable thing about the handbags from an Alternative History perspective is just that Certain People are interested in them (i.e. Hancock), and since whatever these Certain People touches turns into a joke, now even Caverns, who commented above with an eminently reasonable interpretation of the imagery, gets treated as Alternative History.
There’s an island called Malaita in the Solomon Islands in the south east side there’s a waterfall inside that waterfall is where the uaps have a base. The island itself is rife with stories of giants at night people being burned or killed by them. Women being abducted. You wanna make a name for yourself get a flight and go.
Hey dude, thanks for all the support. So this wasn’t actually discovered in the jungle. Cacaxtla is a very arid area, sitting at the base of a massive volcano that covered the city in volcanic ash around 900 AD and preserved this mural. The handbag imagery is very anomalous. I conservatively interpret it as a shaman bringing his “bag of tricks” or perhaps water (life). But it is strange that we see these figures in largely the same pose. At the very least, it’s just another example of how ancient cultures all around the world, and across different timelines are tapped into many of the same ideas
I’ve wondered if what’s in the bag is not an offering, but a collection receptacle. So the interpretation would be, “I’ll give you knowledge and wisdom, but I’m going to need ____ in return, please place in receptacle.”
I like that theory. Maybe it explains the stretching of the right hand too. It’s an exchange of some kind
Indeed an exchange. Not sure how familiar you are with modern UFO lore, but there is an anecdote out there about Eisenhower allowing an exchange of abductions and for Visitors to experiment/take DNA, in exchange for technology. Perhaps this exchange is as old as human history.
Following that line of thinking then do you think it’s possible said exchange has a baby in that receptacle. Human sacrifice isn’t too out there. If the one holding the bigger bag is supposed to be a human, the size ratios seems right and if the smaller bag holder is supposed to be some deity, that could explain the smaller relative size.
That’s certainly possible. Since the receptacle is down near the genitalia, I’ve assumed it meant sexual materials (sperm, eggs, etc).
Or an embryo for stem cells maybe
In Egyptian art and sculpture wings and similar imagery of birds on or behind the head or torso represented a higher state of consciousness/enlightenment. I believe what is being shown with this iconic cross cultural figure is the gift of enlightenment pertaining to reality and consciousness. The pine cone is being offered and this represents the dissemination of knowledge. The pine cone could also be symbolic of a psilocybin mushroom. The pine cone is also at the level of the figures pineal gland and therefore the pineal gland of whoever it’s being presented too. Historically the pine cone is also symbolic of the pineal gland, which is considered the seat of consciousness in eastern philosophy. So the “pine cone” theoretically represents the gift of higher consciousness/enlightenment through some sort of stimulation of the mind/pineal gland. His left foot forward could represent heart centric thinking/compassion/love. The basket imo is not a basket but rather a pale or bucket of water, symbolic of the waters of life. I think this figure either represented a real life enlightened shamanic type figure that would raise people’s consciousness and living conditions out of the depths of ignorance like a saviour type leading the way, or it was a symbolic archetype from its culture representing a higher way of being.
I keep on reading this in reddit posts - that “historically the pine cone is symbolic of the pineal gland”. Is this true? Where does it come from?
Technically the pineal gland is named after the pine cone seed because of their resemblance to one another. The pine cone is much easier to discern in an image or sculpture than the tiny seed is and it carries the meaning and symbol of the gland perfectly. Joseph Campbell talks about it in The power of myth series.
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"Excuse me sir, can you spare some coin for a young shaman down on his luck?"
Pay your tithes!
I always thought they were laptop bags 😂😂😂
Maybe they are! :)
Hey Luke, Is that Mexican mural or picture newly discovered? and does it have a name or code I can look for to find it?
I honestly don’t know how you’d find it. It was unearthed at an archaeological site called Cacaxtla, in the main palace. But I highly doubt there is anything written about this figure in particular. You could try a reverse image search. I went and grabbed an archaeologist working there and he said he thought it was a shaman too. A lot of ancient Mesoamerica is totally without context. It’s literally a lost world
I bought a book a while ago called something along the lines of the water shamans, might have to read it now.
Makes sense.. I hate when archeologist say how they have a great idea about all that stuff then proceed to tell a bunch of nosensical BS as explanations then went on to shit on people like Arthur Posnansky who spent his whole life researching south america from multi disciplinary point of view with a humble mindset. Cool photo anyways!
It might be helpful to provide where specifically this figure is found on the murals. I would be surprised if there wasn't some literature to provide context given that there are academic publications which talk about the murals in depth.
I’ve seen some that address the larger murals as a whole, but nothing so specific to address one figure
Do you remember more specifically where at the site this image was found? Just being able to point to a rough area of the palace would be helpful.
I'm not particularly familiar with the archaeology in this context, but from what I've seen the publications do go into some detail about the imagery. There are a series of books "La pintura mural prehispánica en México" which might be a good starting point. > http://www.ebooks.esteticas.unam.mx/collections/show/8 The descriptions promise analysis of specific elements of the murals and a fair amount of other relevant literature is cited. > The books are dedicated to the study, from different disciplines, of the mural painting of Cacaxtla, Tlaxcala, which was developed during the Mesoamerican Epiclassic. New iconographic readings are proposed, as well as new data on the temporality of the site and its mural painting. > This catalog presents the record, the photographic record and the drawings of each of the murals at the site. As a whole, it is the result of a multidisciplinary effort in which specialists from different areas -architecture, astronomy, biology, archaeology, epigraphy, conservation and history, among others- have collaborated, with art history as the main axis, to unravel the mysteries of these iconic murals of the Central Altiplano. > The first volume of the studies dedicated to the Cacaxtla mural painting presents seven proposals of specialists, from different branches of knowledge, that have studied the mural painting of this important site. It contains articles on: the architecture and its relationship with the murals; archaeoastronomy of mural painting; color and technique of the mural painting; as well as the history of the conservation of this pictorial legacy. The fifth paper presents a proposal on the number of painters likely to have executed the paintings through an identification of personal styles. Finally, the last two studies, carried out by specialists in epigraphy at the University of Copenhagen, address the issue of Mayan influence in the iconography of Cacaxtla and hieroglyphic writing reflected on the walls. > The first three articles of the second volume of the studies in Cacaxtla have as an axis the study of biological representations in mural painting. The first addresses the identification of species of birds portrayed, the second presents a study of the representations of felines in the murals, while in the third we find an identification of plant species that are represented in the paintings. The fourth section focuses on the Templo Rojo and its relationship with Mayan iconography. In the ensuing two articles, carried out by the same researchers, we have an interpretation of the murals of La Batalla and Edificio A as a narrative program, and the proposal for a historical dimension in the murals. The mural known as La Batalla is the theme of the final two articles: the first develops a proposal of new interpretation of the mural and the last one analyses the representations of the shields that appear in it.
Why not go and find it yourself lol, that guy did
I did go through the effort to pull up sources with hundreds of pages on the murals. I haven't had time to go though them to look for this specific image yet. I think asking for the specific location of an image someone else provided is reasonable.
Especially if this grainy photo is the only one that exists. Its so grainy for all we know its AI. Looks like somebody got it off crystallinks in 2001.
There are similarities with other Mesoamerican images that I've seen. I know that I've seen murals with similar skin color and leg wrappings before. It's certainly possible that it exists. I haven't found a direct match in the catalog of the murals, although I've only had time for a cursory look. I'm always surprised that the first instinct for people sharing images like this isn't to provide a good source though. Especially for a site like Cacaxtla with good archaeological documentation. Why not provide more detailed information if you know where it comes from?
Yeah, sure that's fair, but you wouldn't even know about it if not for them so be chill
Sounds Mayan.
So I've got a few things, to start thanks for sharing this, I've known of the handbags for years now. But these two images are easily the most similar out of any I've seen. If the man in the image on the left had a beard, wings, and a pinecone in his hand like the other similar Sumerian reliefs of this image do. Personally it would prove to me with out any doubt the two images are depicting the same thing. I can tell he has something in the hand but i can't quite tell what it is. Either way this is incredibly intriguing for many reasons. The hand position and pose, the band across his head, the robe/ skirt they're both wearing, the diagonal leg wraps. That's a lot of very specific details in common and It's very hard for me to believe that these two images are unrelated to each other. While were on that topic, you mentioned on the Koncrete podcast the theory about monument 13 in la venta potentially depicting a Phoenician traveler due to the flag and the turban. Considering that is dated to 900 to 400 BCE.. And this is dated too 900 AD. And the close proximity of the Phoenicians in Syria to the Sumerians in Iraq. It makes me wonder if that "traveler" was the source of this information and the inspiration for the mural. I'm not saying it is but unless it's some kind of forgery the similarity of these two depictions is hard to ignore. And due to that fact I come to the conclusion either there was a precursor image that both creators of the respective murals had access to before ending up on different continents, century's apart, in civilizations that supposedly did not have contact with each other. Or they did have contact with each other and the mural in Cacaxtla is just a reinterpretation of the Sumerian reliefs from thousand of years before. Potentially due to the Phoenician "Traveler" bringing this information to the region.
The most telling thing to me is we see it at one of the earliest megalithic sites (gobekli tepi), and the most remote (Easter Island) allegedly 11k years apart. Imo there's no explanation other than an antediluvian civilization that can rationalize this.
> there's no explanation other than an antediluvian civilization that can rationalize this. There are literally many explanations. One of which is called independent convergence. This I find much more plausible than the Biblical Antediluvian. When and if there is evidence that establishes otherwise, I am going to believe that over so many eons that the billions of humans that came before us just happen to behave similarly and do similar things, despite geography. Like carry things in bags, or buckets or purses. And that those sorts of things will be depicted in their art.
Independent Convergence causing people to ~~draw~~ carve the same image of a man-purse on multiple contenants. git outta here.
Not just that, but the same pose also.
They're doing the same thing. I don't understand why nobody is surprised that every society represents actions in the same way, except this one. Is it strange that everyone is shown holding a spear in the same way, wearing nearly the same thing with similar facial hair?
The chances of all the similarities in these handbag depictions being coincidence are astronomically greater than some ancient common source.
That literally every ancient civilization told us about? Sure bud, they were all just high and making up stories
You’ve got your logic the wrong way around.
You’re delusional
How about this for a wild explanation: every culture needed bags to carry stuff around. A bit like why we still use bags like this now - they're quite useful.
https://preview.redd.it/6nz7b1uofu7d1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae231b63790108a3aec4bda5cfc7527613ed5e06 Handbag petroglyph from out in California. Sometimes I feel like I'm pretty close to figuring out what these may be..it's like a fleeting "Aha!" moment that evaporates instantly.
People all over the world put stuff in bags. That's all the explanation you need.
Did Santa or the Easter Bunny tell you that was enough?
Yeah, I'm going to need an explanation for that. All I'm saying is that you don't need an elaborate explanation for people all over the world creating images of people putting things in bags, because that is something that people do all over the world. https://preview.redd.it/zg9fchyvkk7d1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30227aa622cf8a181cefac4109001ae27b0f16cc
Yeah it’s probably just some mundane and unimportant thing that various civilisations have taken the trouble to document in stone.
Exactly. The impulse to create art is the same everywhere, and all art is based on human experience. They depict their gods or whatever carrying shopping bags because that's what people do, same reason they depict their gods wearing clothes or sitting on chairs.
Although to be fair some cultures depict their “Gods” (if these are Gods we don’t know) in a pose that is somehow significant, such as Buddha in seated meditation or Jesus on the Cross.
I don't doubt that the scenes depicted here, at least the one with the winged guy, are important to their narratives. But Buddha seated in meditation and Christ on the Cross are both great examples of what you can't know without being familiar with the narrative. The guy from the image on the left could just be from a scene of normal day-to-day life on the wall of a marketplace or something. Or he could be the most important god of the culture. Maybe what he is picking is important, maybe what he is putting it into is important, maybe the important thing is that he picked. Maybe he just has the bag because the artist thought it would help people connect their own lived experiences to whatever the artist was trying to depict. Maybe the bag is some crucial symbol in their culture. We just can't know, but the mere existence of multiple images of guys picking things and putting them into bags is not surprising given how common this behavior is all over the world. Edit: Ooooh! I think I get your santa claus/easter bunny line from earlier! You're saying that we have culturally important characters who put things into bags or baskets, but for all different reasons, even within our own culture. Yeah, I guess you could say that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny told me not to make too much out of a character putting something into a bag.
This comment deserves way more upvotes
Sarcasm can be difficult to detect online
I was being serious lol you made a valid point
Haha I know yeah but my point was a bit sarcastic and the normie I was replying to didn’t understand it and thought I was agreeing with his ‘trust the science’ interpretation. They’re not sending their best people.
*My Wife Grocery Shopping* *\~ Unkown*
There's no mystery in people carrying things in bags and giving things to each other. The pictures looking alike are purely coincidence and due to the limitations of drawing people in 2D. Is it mysterious that there are cave paintings all around the world of people carrying sticks and spears? No, because people needed to hunt and people needed to carry stuff around.
What is anomalous about the handbag imagery?
I can get behind the idea that there was cultures having the same ideas when it comes to things like pyramids. Idealistic structure built to stand the test of time. But the same pose, with the same "artifact", along different cultures divided by great amounts of time? I can't chalk it up to a coincidence.
I agree! I don’t think it is coincidence at all. I think there’s something here that we can’t explain thus far. I’ve often wondered if ancient cultures are connected by psychedelics. It’s irrefutable that they were ALL involved in psychedelic practices. So maybe rather than being directly connected to eachother; they’re all tapping into the same “source”, if that makes sense?
The pose looks like someone picking fruits. My guess has always been that it's the Civilizing Hero(s) picking the secrets of the gods, like Promotheus and fire, to bring them back to the people in his bag of goodies. That ties in to the whole UAP story for me, Diana Pasulka's take on it specifically. Some people seem to reach out into the aether and pick up pieces of information to bring back and dispense among the plebian masses. These would be the Civilizing Heros.
Like there's a "drug plane" that people's could connect over through being under the influence? Trippy, I like it.
Do you have any sources to the use of psychedelics in Mesopotamia ? Also, is it possible to watch the talk the screenshot is taken from somewhere?
Yeah it requires a longer stretch of imagination to call it coincidence then to call it possibly related IMO.
I find it easy to think it is a coincidence. Every culture on earth pretty much ever had baskets or bags.
How random, I literally just listened to your Snake Bros interview today. I have a vision of you Indiana Jones abseiling into pyramids with trees growing out of them after your excellent descriptions. I also have a new found fear of heat seeking snakes!
Yes, this is a natural pose and natural way to draw it. The sample is still same human. And the bag is most natural thing to have in a hand. It’s not as if they both had a figure of a cat with three tails and a palm tree growing out of the nose, that would be more than a coincidence, and still could be explained by it. Like where are the fucking wings on the American guy?
Are there ANY examples of wings on American mythological figures? In the Old World we can trace the winged messengers of the gods back to the Zoroastrians in literature, and even further to Egypt, India and Sumer in iconography.
There actually is an example of winged figures hidden in a chamber of El Miradors pyramid in the most remote of the Maya cities in Guatemala. It dates all the way back to around 200 BC. Almost nobody is allowed inside the chamber and very few photos of it exist online
Very interesting 🤔
How did you get started doing this? I would absolutely love to be able to go on these types of expeditions to central and South America. Any advice or anything you could tell me would be appreciated!
The legend himself!!
Extremely compelling- great work
Ancient shroom dealer
Is it only strange if you suppose that it wasn’t copied?
Yeah, unless this guy is showing where he found it and there are others that can be independently verified, my best guess is the Mexican one is an early 20th century reproduction of Egyptian art that got tossed out or someone's grandpa had in the attic, and was "discovered" 100 years later and thought to be authentic. There are a TON of those out there thanks to a few unscrupulous individuals creating fake meso American artifacts for tourists and local museums, but copying Egyptian art because it was more readily available in book form at the time.
“That’s my purse!”
I feel like we can’t interpret it as a “bag of tricks” in good faith unless we know that people were actually using that phrase 1200 years ago 😅
In the Sumerian reliefs they were bringing the same thing - the water of life
So multiple cultures with the same handbag ok
You're the dude pictured? Kinda feel like I met a celebrity. Sup.
Thank you for bringing rationale and context to this. So many people let their imaginations run away with this kind of stuff, while knowing little to nothing of the cultures and peoples producing the art. We need more scientific engagement on these subs. A lot of people take what's posted on subs like this as pure fact. I love all the theories and ideas, but when people start disregarding history and culture and begin story writing is when it becomes a little too History Channel for me to take seriously. This world is interesting enough without the added fantasy. I wish people could appreciate that. :)
Or they were very metro and fashionable
or a bag of seeds?
Thank you for what you do :)
https://preview.redd.it/isdy279clk7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=433d09e81425776e37275b71f7434b26f11c164c Idk if this would be interpreted as a hand bag, but there are many like this in petroglyphs in utah.
Looks like a 🍄
OMG! Is that an Enki & Enlil!? So fab!
It’s vintage Vera Bradley
Where are the other bags?
I’d like to think that ancient humans were sea travelers and did so at a much earlier time than we give them credit for. Maybe the reason we see these bags everywhere and same pose is like the same reason we see soccer everywhere. An ancient practice, with similar objects and tools, invented long ago by some ancient (human) civilization but adapted later on around the world through trade and sea travel. The bag probably represents the trade. I mean could the most obvious answer be it? The wings representing “gods” were just them paying homage to the (slightly) more advanced peoples that visited and traded with them a few hundred years earlier.
This is fascinating. My silly side wants to point out that it looks like an LL Bean canvas bag.
Definitely a beach tote for a day trip.
Picking fruit, nuts something to put in bag
Those might be shopping bags, archaeologists just need to unearth some ancient Macy's shopping centers
Is it really a mystery that ancient people from all corners of the world made bags to carry stuff around?? The bags or buckets (you can't tell in some images) have a completely utilitarian purpose - it's why we still use the same design today thousands of years later. It actually makes perfect sense that every culture would make things like this and therefore it shouldn't come as a surprise or "shocking discovery".
The mystery isn't that they had bags, it's that the pose itself is copied across the world. The bag can be found by itself elsewhere, but without the context of the pose it's just a bag.
And that they bother to carve it into stone and make images of it that would survive for centuries.
Dude, they carved everything into stone. We have 'your mom' graffiti from like 2,000 years ago.
False equivalence. Graffiti was preserved by volcanic ash. Carvings in stone have always had some significance from Greek marbles to David to a simple headstone. This picture is art, not graffiti.
They drew literally everything, are you suggesting there’s some sort of cosmic significance to a hand bag?
Did they draw someone taking a shit? A very mundane thing that’s a bit more significant than holding a bag. Idk what you mean by cosmic, just that the bag and the pose are probably significant to their stories somehow. Just as Buddha in seated meditation is significant and can be found all across Asia.
In a 2D drawing, there's only a few ways to draw the arm - down by the side, away from the body or pointing up. If they are carrying something in a bag, is it really that crazy to think they might be offering something from the bag by holding their arm out? And in these drawings, the bag hand is coming across the body. Therefore, in order to show the empty hand, the artist is almost forced to put it in that reaching out/forward position above it. With thousands upon thousands of carvings made on rock, it's inevitable that some would end up looking similar. You only have to apply the tiniest bit of logic to these "mysteries" and they cease being mysteries altogether.
I think the photo on the left actually has the bag hand in the back. You can faintly see the shoulder decorations on the raised hand. The bag also goes behind his clothes on the bottom corner. I could be wrong though, it's blurry. Even then, I think you can agree it's still kind of a luck thing that the only depictions of this bag have that pose and don't vary much. The similarities also tend to be more than [just how they positioned the hand](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/PbA4N2NVzF) I understand that there is a possibility everyone has similar ideas, but I think the more odd similarities just points less to them all accidentally doing the same thing and more to them originally having an idea to go off of and then slowly drifting/forgetting about it. [Here's a 30 minutes video](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/PbA4N2NVzF) specifically showing all the odd similarities between these ancient cultures.
All cultures probably picked fruit off trees and used a bucket or bag to carry them, and there's not too many ways to depict this in stone carvings. this looks just like me picking raspberries a couple days ago, one hand out plucking fruit the other holding an outstretched bucket to catch them in.
Pose? You mean how you have to carry a bag with handles with your hand in a closed fist? What a mystery.
Came to post this. Bags useful as fuck, of course they'd have bags.
Shocking discovery! Ancient cultures from every corner of the world painted men with sharp pointy sticks chasing animals! Proof of ancient technology sharing? Why did this technology disappear?
Ok. But what about their wings?
They’re artistic representations of gods
Alien angel with a hand bag.
It's more just kinda classifying a bunch of different hand held things as hand bags. In Akkad, where most of the Mesopotamian panels come from, they're buckets of holy water used during a cleansing and fertility ritual. Which shows how deep this analysis is, it's people running off these things looks similar so they are similar and therefore the same thing. At least one example pulled from south America is a depiction of a ritualized sacred drink of spiced chocolate. It's a cup, not a hand bag or a bucket.
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Doctor, Doctor.
Glad I'm not sick.
Decoys?
The exact same pose…
Very different looking bags
Yeah, almost like the person that created the one on the left was copying the one on the right...
You know “baskets” were probably invented by the Neanderthals before all the migration…???
This has nothing to do with “omg a basket!!” This is more like, “here’s another example of a civilization that was so interested in a man with the same pose and handbag as the other civilizations that they carved the image into stone.” Why were all these spread out civilizations (through land and time) so fixated on this similar looking guy with a similar looking bag? Who’s the guy? What’s in the bag? These are interesting questions to ask
It's the Aser people bringing seeds for agriculture. Read the Bock Saga
Exactly also during a time when we weren’t “supposedly” capable of travel and grunting in caves.
The depictions from Akkad are carrying a bucket of holy water for a fertility ritual. I don't know all the south American ones, but one at least is a depiction of a ritual of a holy drink of spiced chocolate. The guys look similar because it's, well. A guy. There's only so many poses of holding a thing in your hand you can depict side on. Which is why it's not surprising that over 5,000 years of history you're going to find similar depictions.
Shhhh... Quiet please. You're making a lot of sense but this is not the place. Bags (or baskets) are uber advanced tech. At least that's what they say.
Yeah, and it was held by an alien angel, too.
And they *probably* had bowls and cups too but yet there **aren’t** any examples of iconic, repeating imagery featuring those “mundane” items…
Gifts maybe?
It’s the Louis of antiquity
Lol ancient LL Bean canvas bag!
It really looks like a person picking in an orchard. Could be the most visually basic way to draw a person picking (olives, apples, stone fruit, etc…)? That would be fun. Orchards are also so deeply tied to culture and the concept of place/ life/ death - I can see how it would be important enough to deify across many different groups.
I can get it cheaper in Thailand…
Why the hell has no one read Carl Jung. This shouldn’t be a surprise
The handbag on the left is from wish. Also, my apologies for contributing nothing to this post, I just had a sudden urge to share what popped into my head.
Buildings, ships, pyramids, medicine, language, culture but and handbag is too much to conceive to be a product of the time.
Was there a pinecone?
Is there a list of all discovered "handbags" somewhere?
This one looks like a designer bag with fancy trim.
No pine cone?
The bag represents that individual bringing knowledge to the people. It’s usually draw as a bag of seeds, as in, seeding knowledge, although that one is more like a modern handbag which is interesting. You see the figure on the right has wings, that represents that individual can fly ie., they have access to a spaceship, and you seen many winged figures, often sitting down in glyphs. If you see a figure with feathers on their head, like modern day Native American shamans or chiefs, that means, that individual can fly mentally ie., interact with astral realms. The symbology is actually quite easy, once you know. And yes, the fact that it’s all over the world is indicative of a more advanced past, but not surprising as they had the capability of air travel. As we know, that makes the world a small place.
Most of these things are absolute horsegarbage. This handbag thing is really neat.
I enjoy reading about stuff like this.. one thing is- I look around, to this day... I see people with, backpacks.. purses.. just, stuff carried. why would that be any different back then.. maybe that "pose" is saying, carry who - you - are.
Maybe that was just their version of hand bag advertisements.
I mean ... something ? lol.. another thing to point out, i can look around and all that, see all these bags people carry etc.. how many of them are carrying something absolutely life changing...
I thought he died/disappeared?
Not yet
It’s a champagne bucket
Might be a modern day tool bag, to rebuilt humanity housing, communities, cleanups after the cyclic storm
They didn't have pockets...
Gucci was popular back in the day
I think the Sumerian example is generally interpreted as a water bucket. As in, bringing water for the tree of life. We'd need to see the full context of the Mesoamerican mural to understand its meaning.
Did anyone talk to people that live there about it? 900AD is not that long ago, seems like somebody should know something
I read recently in this Roswell Interview document posted that these "purses" and "pinecones" also seen were actually scanners for finding those who got stuck on Earth from this Galactic Federation during events between NHI groups, if I understood it properly. I'll try to edit and add a link to the document later today for reference, I am curious what others think about it.
Excuse me. But how do you know it is a hand bag? Is there evidence to back up these claims like recovered bags at burial sites? Depictions of how the bags were used? Or could it be that it is something else like a tool or symbology of an item used by their culture for another purpose. How do you absolutely know it is a handbag? Not saying you are wrong. Or why it is such a shocking discovery. I mean I'd imagine people have made things to put items in much further back than 900AD. Just wondering what physical or other evidence backs up this claim.
Anyone know the total number of civilizations that depicted the handbag?
The one who controls the weights, controls society
Wow! That's a full on tote, let alone a little evening bag! :-) Amazing discovery.
It’s an old star trek style tricorder
We’re just gonna shroud your pineal gland a lil bit.
It’s a portal making device to transfer knowledge. That’s my uneducated guess.
From the “ Alien Interview “ pages : 227- 231, missing Battalion, the “ Domain “ search party consisted of 900 officers of the Domain , divided into teams of 300 each , one team searched the land , another one searched the oceans , and the other team searched the space surrounding the Earth, the Domain search party divided a wide variety of electronic detection devices needed to track the electronic signature or wavelength of each the missing members of the battalion. Some were used in space , others on land and special devices were invented to detect “ IS - BES” under water the tool designed to detect the presence of life , this was a large electronic screen generator designed to permeate wide areas, a portable version of this detection device was carried by each of the members of the Domain search party . Stone Carvings in Sumeria show winged beings using “ Pinecone - Shape “ instruments to scan the bodies of human beings . They also shown carrying the power unit for the scanner which are depicted as stylized baskets or Water Buckets, being carried by eagle- headed , winged beings .
Looks like they are picking berries and storing them in a sack with handles.
Magic berries 👉🏻👉🏻
Member berries?
OK but really, does anyone have any clue why this is prevalent everywhere and what its supposed to actually represent? Do we have any evidence outside of wild speculation? Its so bizarre.
What’s in the bag is a raise in technology for everyone in tune with the great Mind. To stop Remus from being killed by Romulus ( in the case of our civilization killing the earth to create itself.) We are ment to be in tune it got fucked up a hundred years ago, we have been sucking the earth too dry. It’s time to open the bag and rise.
Why does the European always have to be the one that find ancient artifacts of the original people of all natural civilization?
It’s corn from the Toltec the farmers are black Israelites
Imagine how many cultures had to carry stuff…hmmm
Bruh this is new?! Holy shit this is phenomenal.
I don't understand what is so fascinating about a cloth carrying device with handles. This is like being fascinated because people across the world wore skirts.
Preach brother! If all the pictures showed them carrying the bags on their feet while performing a handstand blindfolded then it would be something to get excited about.
Could it be a power pack or air filter?
I am very lost. Do we think ancient people didn’t have bags, buckets, baskets? Or is there something being found that points to these being more than that?
Bear with me here folks. I think ancient people may have used some sort of device to make it easier for them carry many small things at once. This lost technology could transform modern society, where the only way to carry many small things is to make multiple trips. Who hasn't walked two apples to their car from the grocery store, then gone back for two more apples, dozens and dozens of times, thinking "There has got to be a better way!" Well, the ancients had the kind of deep insight into these problems that could only come from aliens, which is why I believe they made use of an advanced labor-saving technology I call a "bag." In all seriousness, can somebody summarize what the deal with the handbags is? I don't think that any mainstream historians deny that ancient societies probably had bag technology.
An even greater mystery could be the same "hand out in front" pose. This is clearly evidence of some kind of advanced shared civilisation. Why?? because there are so many ways to give something to someone. You could... - Hold the item high above their head and drop it on them. - Bend over and pass the item between your legs - Pass it to them while doing a one-handed handstand - Kick it at them like a football The fact that in these pictures people are not doing this proves they had been given a shared knowledge of how to offer items from the technology you refer to as "bag".
I think it all started with Graham H and his theory that they are “civilization bringers”. But I don’t think that’s what Luke is saying. I think Luke says he doesn’t know exactly what it means like the spiral patterns he showed all around the world too
He commented above. The notion that these characters depict shaman, tricksters, or civilization bringers all seems pretty consistent with mainstream history. Not least because all of those characters share a similar root in many traditions. The trickster is only one delivery of fire away from becoming a civilization bringer, and the role of shaman is to access the wisdom of mythological characters by reenacting part of their narrative. The idea that multiple cultures would represent this figure as plucking some source of wisdom or enlightenment from a tree like the societies gathered their food seems quite reasonable. So the remarkable thing about the handbags from an Alternative History perspective is just that Certain People are interested in them (i.e. Hancock), and since whatever these Certain People touches turns into a joke, now even Caverns, who commented above with an eminently reasonable interpretation of the imagery, gets treated as Alternative History.
There’s an island called Malaita in the Solomon Islands in the south east side there’s a waterfall inside that waterfall is where the uaps have a base. The island itself is rife with stories of giants at night people being burned or killed by them. Women being abducted. You wanna make a name for yourself get a flight and go.
First time seeing a bucket?
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These are designer bags from yesteryear something to carry your coins food etc.
A black person bringing knowledge
Just going to leave this here… https://youtu.be/Ub3FBLUgxfY?si=jjigfb4aYflzyAuP
This comparison clearly shows they’re not buckets. Just because academia is confident doesn’t mean it’s right.