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**Update: My NB Daughter Wants Me To Raise Her Baby**
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Hi,
This is an update to this post (Long story short my 18 year old NB daughter wanted me to raise her baby, and she told me she thinks the baby as her sibling. We had a blow-out, she locked herself in her room for most of a day, and then took off with her friends/her lover)
So this happened a few days ago but I didn’t update because I needed to get my head around it. It still doesn’t make sense.
Daughter finally unblocked me. She and the person who got her pregnant wanted to talk to me at a public place. We chose iHop.
Although I suspected I knew who her lover was, I was disappointed to find out because they have been a part of my daughter’s friend group since high school and was the only one I ever had a problem with and kicked out of my house.
They are trans now but two years ago the friend group was watching a movie in the livingroom, and every time I’d pass by he (he was a he then) would lock eyes with me and make really obnoxious, loud, orgasm sounds like that scene in Harry Met Sally. I told him to knock it off and grew sterner when he did it again.
Then when I was in the kitchen he somehow snuck up behind me and was miming jack-off movements with his hand. I turned around and caught him at it. He was still fully clothed, but it was startling and freaky. I kicked him out.
So now I’ll just call them Sperm-doner because that’s what they are.
I’m still calling my daughter ‘my daughter’ and ‘she’ because I still haven’t been told not to by her otherwise. So get off my case on that.
Anyway, the iHop meeting was a shit-show. Sperm-doner sat with my daughter and went on the attack. Sperm-doner’s points were.
1) I was poisoning my daughter by “making” her take birth control. (I only helped her get the prescription and would have done everything I could if I knew she didn’t want to take the pill. There are other methods!)
2) It will take years to “fix” my daughter after all I did. (Not giving her hormones even though I had no idea that was what she wanted. She dropped even wanting to change her pronouns after a few weeks.)
3) Abortion is a sin and I am a monster for suggesting it. It’s past the date anyway.
4) I am further abusing her by not taking care of the baby while she fixes herself. (I guess they meant it as a temp situation which was also new to me.)
So apparently even though I’m an abusive monster, a bad mother, and so on, I’m even worse for not taking in their baby. At least no one suggested that I raise it like my daughter’s sister anymore. That might have been my daughter’s thought on it.
Sperm-doner did most of the talking while my daughter just sat and glared at me, nodding along.
It was kind of a whirl wind, Sperm-doner pounded the table a few times, and even the waiter knew not to bother us after drinks. lol. I’m surprised we weren’t asked to leave.
There was a lot said, mostly by the Sperm-doner who really seemed to be steering the ship. I asked why Sperm-doner couldn’t take care of the baby and Sperm-doner said his parents were even worse than me. I guess my daughter and Sperm-doner taking care of the child they created is out of the question.
I told them that I would not be raising their baby for them and that adoption is the best bet. They said that if I don’t agree to raise it, they’ll make sure I’ll never see the baby ever.
I won’t raise their child for them. So that’s that, I guess.
I feel so many flavors of worried and angry and then worried all over again. I’ve been around the block and it’s never a great sign when the person you’re with makes an enemy of your family. That’s what Sperm-doner has done by painting me as an abuser and failed mother who also won’t take in their baby. Sounds like Sperm-doner has cut themselves off from their own family too. So I’m worried my daughter is in a very controlling relationship with someone who convinced her to stop birth control because they think hormones are too feminizing somehow and that she needs to be “fixed”. But they still want me to raise their baby.
I’m angry that my daughter can just hear this crap and nod along like: Yeah that makes total sense. She is not stupid. I think she’s love blinded.
I’m sad and worried for the baby. A couple commenters suggested I wanted nothing to do with the baby because I wouldn’t agree to raise it as my own. No, in a perfect world, I would want a normal grandmotherly relationship. Or at least know that the child is safe and has been adopted into a loving family.
I don’t care what my daughter does with her gender, or her body as long as she doesn’t hurt herself. I want her to be in a happy relationship with someone who values her for who she is. Sperm-doner kept using the word ‘fix’ which I see as another terrible sign.
It’s bad all around. My house is empty. It feels like my adult daughter has run off to join up with some weird church/cult thing who tells her that up is down. That not using birth control and not getting an abortion and then expecting others to take care of the child is all a-okay. Oh and that she’s a problem and needs to be “fixed”.
I texted her and said I would be there for her, but Sperm-doner was still not welcome in the house. I think I’m blocked again.
She’s a legal adult. I’m not sure what else I can do at this point? In my low points, part of me thinks maybe I should agree to take the baby and then immediately make sure it’s adopted into a loving home. But I get the feeling that Sperm-doner won’t make that easy, and right now my daughter does what he says. Also I’m not sure if that plan is even possible. It sounds Hollywood.
I have an appointment to speak with a councilor, but the soonest I could get is April. Some of my friends think I should take the baby in either to get them away from the parents or because they think it’s my duty, or both.
The only silver lining in this was that they both seemed sober. I don’t think there’s drugs involved.
Am I reading this wrong? Am I the asshole here?
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Those new smartpogos are supposed to be super buggy, though. I heard one guy’s glitched hard and instead of going up in the air, he tunneled right through the Earth’s crust into the level where the Reptilians live.
I was confused - both pro-trans rights and anti-choice? To the degree of referring to it as a sin? I mean I suppose they could exist somewhere but that person must have very compartmentalised thinking to hold both views simultaneously.
pro-trans rights, anti-choice but also pro-sex before marriage and making sex jokes to annoy your friends mum.
what a strange, totally real combination of traits and beliefs
I suspect this is a very right wing person attempting to write liberal characters. Her first post where the NB daughter changes pronouns multiple times a day and expects people to check in with them every time is very r/amitheangel
This story is fake but unfortunately there is a small subset of people like this. In my country, Germany, we have a lot of immigration and refugees from the Middle East. Unfortunately there weren’t many efforts to properly integrate these often traumatised people and many of them are very homophobic.
Some queer people have been victimised by them and I know two friends: one is mixed race and gay and the other disabled and non-binary who despite facing a lot of criticism from conservatives, have been pushed into some weird form of right wing political ideology, where they hate foreigners, especially Muslims. And the non binary person has also absorbed some misogynistic beliefs and claims abortion is murder.
The right wingers love playing up the fake concern for the LGBT but they still want to ban gay marriage, etc…
Sadly there are sometimes some bad circumstances who push people in directions which directly contradict their own interests.
I hate these kind of stories which paint queer people in a bad light but I also think it’s important to mention why some people turn to these right wing beliefs
I'm not blaming it on Muslims at all. I am saying that the German government messed up integration and for that matter there are a lot of refugees who come here and see things which offend them like men holding hands or scantily clad women because in countries like Syria or Morocco they simply are less used to it.
It's also not just muslims, many of the russian and ukranian refugees are the same and Turkish people despite being Muslim are way more open to LGBT and women's rights because their culture is more progressive.
An AITAer stumbled in here on a ragebait post about a mother of an autistic child to validate the fake mom’s decision to only give her kid foods she deems “healthy” (because apparently deciding what an autistic kid’s safe foods are for them is common in AITAland) I don’t want to share the link to the comment because it was sincere and their account is still active but you can search up “screens McDs” on this sub and it should be the first post to show up lmfao
Its depressing how much the AITA comments section functions as a mirror for human stupidity. There's so many of these daft posts just writing insane caricatures of right wing, transphobic or MRA talking points and they just eat it up like fucking ice cream
I don't know much about Blaire White,but when it comes to Jenner, being rich always seemed much, much more important to her than any sort of moral issue.
yeah I was gonna say, this post is fake as hell, but not because of that!
I mean, conservative women will literally have abortions and then go back to protesting other people's abortions the next day. There's an article in the Atlantic from years ago called The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion that's all about it.
people are remarkably inconsistent with their values.
But they also dont believe nb people exist so we have a pervert transfem pro-lifer with a Non-binary partner
On the flip side, i think that counts as bigot bingo!!!
We don't even need big names. At least a decade before gender identity became a headline, I was going to high school in the south with a ton of queer kids who believed that God didn't want them to get married. They maintained that gay was okay in a social sense, but wrong in a political sense.
Kind of unrelated to this story, but my point is that people can have some pretty complex and seemingly inconsistent views depending on their upbringing. It's definitely not the detail I'd latch onto if I wanted to prove this story fake. Fuck, based solely on experience, I'd actually say that's the most believable part of this. If anything, I'm calling fake because they wrote "iHop" like it's a goddamned Apple product.
Eh, that actually tracks with being an abusive POS. The morality and politics of an abusive POS are whatever they can best use to control their victim.
and then i saw the evil trans woman in the closet and she was making a baby and the baby was genderqueer and used xe pronouns and the baby looked at me
No, you see, my ~~daughter~~ CHILD OF INDETERMINATE GENDER you fuckin liberal commie wackos, anyway, after a few weeks of me not trying to use their pronouns at all, they stopped asking me, so it's fine! It's not like there's a reason a trans kid might stop pushing the subject to an openly unsupportive parent besides giving up on the trans thing and going back to being a nice normal daughter.
'Hey mom I'm NB.'
DAUGHTER DAUGHTER MOTHER DAUGHTER
'And this is my child's mother.'
SPERM DONOR SPERM DONOR I'M SO PROGRESSIVE FOR NOT CALLING THEM A FATHER
IKR?? And…
“I'm reporting people who call this bait.”
Go ahead and report us, you’ll be the one who gets banned in the end for some fake shit like this
This series of posts is just the transphobic version of the post where the mom and their nb pregnant teen (tho mb the child was 20?) who had a really heartwarming experience.
It’s always fun when a post triggers a alternate universe retelling 🤭
god, I’m having the worst time finding it but it was a mom posting about thinking her kid was pregnant and looking for advice on how to approach them about it. Then the update was that they had a heart to heart and mom is supporting her kid through their pregnancy and they got closer yada yada.
All of my searches keep bringing up the wrong story, sorry! 😞
Wait holy shit. The ages and everything lines up. Did they genuinely get \*so mad\* about a Reddit post about a parent supporting their nonbinary child through their pregnancy that they rewrote it to make the child evil?
This story doesn't add up. I can't think of a single religious belief that is strongly pro trans rights, and strongly and strictly anti-choice. Women's bodily autonomy isn't something you can be both in favor of and strongly opposed to. The sperm "doner" character has a blatant internal inconsistency, so frankly, I don't think he's real.
So let's assume this is real. Which is more likely to be true? That OP's child gave up on being trans after their mom made them see the light (not immediately putting them on testosterone) or that OP's child just went back into the closet to not put up with OP?
I think this post is ragebait, but a lot of teens and young people experiment with pronouns. I have a younger relative who often changes pronouns, almost daily, and in general I use whatever pronouns I was instructed to use the last time I saw them. And if I'm wrong that they correct me!
As of the first post, this particular caricature of a NB person was demanding everyone around them ask what their pronouns are every morning and get furious if you didn’t check what their exact gender was at that moment, which is what conservative boogeymen think experimenting with pronouns looks like.
Yeah I read it. My relative used to get really upset if you didn't just KNOW what gender they were that day, I eventually got them a little set of buttons to wear.
Of course, my relative was a literal child with special needs when we went through this phase with them. Not a sexually active adult who is for some reason allergic to birth control and abortion.
It makes sense to me because my pronouns are consecutive prime numbers. I'm at 67 right now, DM me to see if that has changed if you need to refer to me in another comment.
I mean, yeah its a troll post, but I've met multiple people who are genderfluid and request that you ask for their pronouns each time because the pronouns used for their identity can change from day to day.
To be fair, there are people who usw different pronouns everyday..Just recently saw a tiktok of someone (in German tho) who talked about how they felt every day (on monday she/her, on tuesday No pronouns, in thursday (with a deeper voice and oversized clothes) he/him..and No it wasn't a Troll)
I have some friends who use no pronouns and when I refer to my friends I do not use pronouns but the friends name (quiet a few non-binary people in Germany use no pronouns because we do not have gender neutral pronouns)
When my friend wasn't out to others, I would speak (in English) without third-person pronouns when talking about her. It was great that I never had to misgender her to avoid outting her, and people didn't even notice until months after she came out. I forget exactly how I did it, but I also managed to avoid using her deadname as much as possible
Instead of saying "he/she/they ate a sandwich", you use their full name. E.g:
"Usidore, Wizard of the 12th Realm of Ephysiyies, Master of Light and Shadow, Manipulator of Magical Delights, Devourer of Chaos, Champion of the Great Halls of Terr'akkas, ate a sandwich"
Stopped reading the first part when she mentioned contraceptive pills ''feminizing'' her fictional daughter. Those pills are given to AFAB trans men who want to stop their menstrual cycles when they can't get on T or T didn't stop theirs. If you're going to make a transphobic fake post at least get your info right.
Source : I'm a trans guy whose endocrinologist thought about using contraceptive pills the first months of HRT
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The one that recently opened up near me does! I figured it was because the old building used to be a bar; but maybe they're expanding into alcohol now like other chains?
it is absolutely real for a kid who is exploring their gender to go through a period of nonbinary genderfluidity. my nephew changed his regularly and told his mom every day for several months. one day finally settled on transitioning. but he’s a very practical, methodical kid. he did the same thing with his name, cycled through like three before he decided what to be called. kid is barely 13 and has his ish together.
and as a she/they enby, i don’t disbelieve “the mom” when, in her first post, she said her daughter chose to use femme nouns and pronouns. i don’t identify with any gender but i prefer femme terms because it’s how i present.
whoever wrote this used two actually real things that aren’t common knowledge to allies, let alone haters. so really, i’m going more it being less anti-trans fanfic and more the daughter wanting to get people to say the mom should raise the baby.
I dunno if I would give them that much credit. "Totally fake nonbinary people who use terms that match their AGAB because they're FAKERS" and "trans person who's constantly changing pronouns but FREAKS OUT at anyone who doesn't guess right" were really common stereotypes in 2014-era truscum discourse. People used to make shitty transphobic comics that were literally just about these two things.
Between that and the whole "predatory abusive pervert man-- uhh I mean trans woman but I'll still exclusively refer to her as a man anyways-- who's preying on the poor afab wombyxn who's just confused about her gender" thing and the bizarrely conflicting beliefs (the trans woman here is supportive of teen pregnancy, sex before marriage, believes nonbinary people exist, and wants her nonbinary partner to transition is also.. a far right christian who believes abortion is a sin?) \*really, really\* reads as someone's poorly written "trans bad" fanfiction. It's just too many right-wing boogeymen wrapped up in a barely coherent narrative. There's not even really much of a narrative beyond "look how bad and irrational these trans people are!"
I assumed "abortion bad" was some kind of extension of body dysmorphia that trans women experience. Like the trope of trans women either being jealous of periods or saying they understand or wish they had menstrual pain. If you want to have a uterus and be able to carry children, you may think abortion is a "sin" because they are rejecting what you wish you could have.
I don't think this is real, but that's where I assume they got the plot line.
Hahahahahahhahaha are you the other parent? Cause that's the only explanation. She very obviously did her best to follow everything, anyone not seeing her child and partner as super problematic is just prob entitled or selfish in the same way. Like jeez.
And in all fairness, teenagers, especially those living as boys, think that kind of shit is peak humor. I don’t know any parent who would kick a kid out for it. It just takes a withering look to shut them up.
Her story isn't great, but man this lady sure has unique ways to describe feelings. I hope she posts more so I can see what new way of describing how she feels she comes up with.
Thinks daughter is in an abusive relationship, wants to leave her very helpless grandchild in that situation. Sure, it’s rage bait all around, but why would anyone in their right mind think they’re the good guy for that?
(IRL, I don’t even want to think where my niblings would be right now if mom had taken this same attitude towards my sister, who was with a dude very much like daughter’s…whatever they are. I honestly started skimming after a bit.)
I would not be a bit surprised if my abusive narcissistic mother wrote this as one of her mental cosplay scenarios she dreams up whereby she punishes someone who fits the caricature of whatever she is accusing me of at the time. Right now it’s telling me I’m not really non binary, just a confused child. I’m 40 btw.
Wild how they never had a problem using "they" for binary trans people, but when you tell them your pronouns are they/them, suddenly that's too hard to remember or not proper English.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **Update: My NB Daughter Wants Me To Raise Her Baby** Update to this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1akhqjt/aitah\_for\_not\_wanting\_to\_raise\_my\_nb\_daughters/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1akhqjt/aitah_for_not_wanting_to_raise_my_nb_daughters/) Hi, This is an update to this post (Long story short my 18 year old NB daughter wanted me to raise her baby, and she told me she thinks the baby as her sibling. We had a blow-out, she locked herself in her room for most of a day, and then took off with her friends/her lover) So this happened a few days ago but I didn’t update because I needed to get my head around it. It still doesn’t make sense. Daughter finally unblocked me. She and the person who got her pregnant wanted to talk to me at a public place. We chose iHop. Although I suspected I knew who her lover was, I was disappointed to find out because they have been a part of my daughter’s friend group since high school and was the only one I ever had a problem with and kicked out of my house. They are trans now but two years ago the friend group was watching a movie in the livingroom, and every time I’d pass by he (he was a he then) would lock eyes with me and make really obnoxious, loud, orgasm sounds like that scene in Harry Met Sally. I told him to knock it off and grew sterner when he did it again. Then when I was in the kitchen he somehow snuck up behind me and was miming jack-off movements with his hand. I turned around and caught him at it. He was still fully clothed, but it was startling and freaky. I kicked him out. So now I’ll just call them Sperm-doner because that’s what they are. I’m still calling my daughter ‘my daughter’ and ‘she’ because I still haven’t been told not to by her otherwise. So get off my case on that. Anyway, the iHop meeting was a shit-show. Sperm-doner sat with my daughter and went on the attack. Sperm-doner’s points were. 1) I was poisoning my daughter by “making” her take birth control. (I only helped her get the prescription and would have done everything I could if I knew she didn’t want to take the pill. There are other methods!) 2) It will take years to “fix” my daughter after all I did. (Not giving her hormones even though I had no idea that was what she wanted. She dropped even wanting to change her pronouns after a few weeks.) 3) Abortion is a sin and I am a monster for suggesting it. It’s past the date anyway. 4) I am further abusing her by not taking care of the baby while she fixes herself. (I guess they meant it as a temp situation which was also new to me.) So apparently even though I’m an abusive monster, a bad mother, and so on, I’m even worse for not taking in their baby. At least no one suggested that I raise it like my daughter’s sister anymore. That might have been my daughter’s thought on it. Sperm-doner did most of the talking while my daughter just sat and glared at me, nodding along. It was kind of a whirl wind, Sperm-doner pounded the table a few times, and even the waiter knew not to bother us after drinks. lol. I’m surprised we weren’t asked to leave. There was a lot said, mostly by the Sperm-doner who really seemed to be steering the ship. I asked why Sperm-doner couldn’t take care of the baby and Sperm-doner said his parents were even worse than me. I guess my daughter and Sperm-doner taking care of the child they created is out of the question. I told them that I would not be raising their baby for them and that adoption is the best bet. They said that if I don’t agree to raise it, they’ll make sure I’ll never see the baby ever. I won’t raise their child for them. So that’s that, I guess. I feel so many flavors of worried and angry and then worried all over again. I’ve been around the block and it’s never a great sign when the person you’re with makes an enemy of your family. That’s what Sperm-doner has done by painting me as an abuser and failed mother who also won’t take in their baby. Sounds like Sperm-doner has cut themselves off from their own family too. So I’m worried my daughter is in a very controlling relationship with someone who convinced her to stop birth control because they think hormones are too feminizing somehow and that she needs to be “fixed”. But they still want me to raise their baby. I’m angry that my daughter can just hear this crap and nod along like: Yeah that makes total sense. She is not stupid. I think she’s love blinded. I’m sad and worried for the baby. A couple commenters suggested I wanted nothing to do with the baby because I wouldn’t agree to raise it as my own. No, in a perfect world, I would want a normal grandmotherly relationship. Or at least know that the child is safe and has been adopted into a loving family. I don’t care what my daughter does with her gender, or her body as long as she doesn’t hurt herself. I want her to be in a happy relationship with someone who values her for who she is. Sperm-doner kept using the word ‘fix’ which I see as another terrible sign. It’s bad all around. My house is empty. It feels like my adult daughter has run off to join up with some weird church/cult thing who tells her that up is down. That not using birth control and not getting an abortion and then expecting others to take care of the child is all a-okay. Oh and that she’s a problem and needs to be “fixed”. I texted her and said I would be there for her, but Sperm-doner was still not welcome in the house. I think I’m blocked again. She’s a legal adult. I’m not sure what else I can do at this point? In my low points, part of me thinks maybe I should agree to take the baby and then immediately make sure it’s adopted into a loving home. But I get the feeling that Sperm-doner won’t make that easy, and right now my daughter does what he says. Also I’m not sure if that plan is even possible. It sounds Hollywood. I have an appointment to speak with a councilor, but the soonest I could get is April. Some of my friends think I should take the baby in either to get them away from the parents or because they think it’s my duty, or both. The only silver lining in this was that they both seemed sober. I don’t think there’s drugs involved. Am I reading this wrong? Am I the asshole here? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheAngel) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The misspelling of donor just makes me think of döner kebab
Instead of beef or lamb, why not try the sperm whale döner kebab?
Ah yes, Herman Melville's meal of choice. A nice, two-hander food.
what about the newest Apple product, the iHop?
Those new smartpogos are supposed to be super buggy, though. I heard one guy’s glitched hard and instead of going up in the air, he tunneled right through the Earth’s crust into the level where the Reptilians live.
I love how the caricature of a transfem pervert also thinks abortion is a sin. New type of guy just dropped
Whoever wrote this would have a stroke seeing the « can’t wait to get a uterus so I can be the first trans women to have an abortion » tweet
I was confused - both pro-trans rights and anti-choice? To the degree of referring to it as a sin? I mean I suppose they could exist somewhere but that person must have very compartmentalised thinking to hold both views simultaneously.
pro-trans rights, anti-choice but also pro-sex before marriage and making sex jokes to annoy your friends mum. what a strange, totally real combination of traits and beliefs
I suspect this is a very right wing person attempting to write liberal characters. Her first post where the NB daughter changes pronouns multiple times a day and expects people to check in with them every time is very r/amitheangel
Think this too. Its such a stupid bait post where everyone is a cartoon.
This story is fake but unfortunately there is a small subset of people like this. In my country, Germany, we have a lot of immigration and refugees from the Middle East. Unfortunately there weren’t many efforts to properly integrate these often traumatised people and many of them are very homophobic. Some queer people have been victimised by them and I know two friends: one is mixed race and gay and the other disabled and non-binary who despite facing a lot of criticism from conservatives, have been pushed into some weird form of right wing political ideology, where they hate foreigners, especially Muslims. And the non binary person has also absorbed some misogynistic beliefs and claims abortion is murder. The right wingers love playing up the fake concern for the LGBT but they still want to ban gay marriage, etc… Sadly there are sometimes some bad circumstances who push people in directions which directly contradict their own interests. I hate these kind of stories which paint queer people in a bad light but I also think it’s important to mention why some people turn to these right wing beliefs
only times i have been hatecrimed in germany was by germans, you guys have a huge nazi problem and its time you stopped blaming it on muslims..
I'm not blaming it on Muslims at all. I am saying that the German government messed up integration and for that matter there are a lot of refugees who come here and see things which offend them like men holding hands or scantily clad women because in countries like Syria or Morocco they simply are less used to it. It's also not just muslims, many of the russian and ukranian refugees are the same and Turkish people despite being Muslim are way more open to LGBT and women's rights because their culture is more progressive.
Unrelated but what is your flair from?
An AITAer stumbled in here on a ragebait post about a mother of an autistic child to validate the fake mom’s decision to only give her kid foods she deems “healthy” (because apparently deciding what an autistic kid’s safe foods are for them is common in AITAland) I don’t want to share the link to the comment because it was sincere and their account is still active but you can search up “screens McDs” on this sub and it should be the first post to show up lmfao
I managed to find it, and wow that was wild
Nothing like doubling down on LGBTQ+ bad to an audience who probably agrees -\_-
No like the way the comments are eating this up too it’s insane that this is how they see gender non-conforming folks and believe this garbage!!!
Its depressing how much the AITA comments section functions as a mirror for human stupidity. There's so many of these daft posts just writing insane caricatures of right wing, transphobic or MRA talking points and they just eat it up like fucking ice cream
Sperm doner kebab
Great name for a band.
I can't get pregnant but this would make me try regularly with enthusiasm
So progressive enough to be openly trans but conservative enough to believe abortion is a sin? Not buying this.
tbf, this basically describes both caitlyn jenner and blaire white. most trans ppl hate them, though.
Sure, it’s one of those things that in isolation checks out, but combined with everything else is just the ridiculous cherry on top.
I don't know much about Blaire White,but when it comes to Jenner, being rich always seemed much, much more important to her than any sort of moral issue.
yeah I was gonna say, this post is fake as hell, but not because of that! I mean, conservative women will literally have abortions and then go back to protesting other people's abortions the next day. There's an article in the Atlantic from years ago called The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion that's all about it. people are remarkably inconsistent with their values.
But they also dont believe nb people exist so we have a pervert transfem pro-lifer with a Non-binary partner On the flip side, i think that counts as bigot bingo!!!
But the transfem pro-lifer is trying to “fix” the nb, so that means nb isn’t real? I’m so confused…
Some trans medacalists don’t believe in non binary people, you have to want the surgery to be trans.
We don't even need big names. At least a decade before gender identity became a headline, I was going to high school in the south with a ton of queer kids who believed that God didn't want them to get married. They maintained that gay was okay in a social sense, but wrong in a political sense. Kind of unrelated to this story, but my point is that people can have some pretty complex and seemingly inconsistent views depending on their upbringing. It's definitely not the detail I'd latch onto if I wanted to prove this story fake. Fuck, based solely on experience, I'd actually say that's the most believable part of this. If anything, I'm calling fake because they wrote "iHop" like it's a goddamned Apple product.
Except both of those people would never associate with a nonbinary person. They also don't believe in trans rights, basically.
Conservative LGBT people absolutely exist though.
Eh, that actually tracks with being an abusive POS. The morality and politics of an abusive POS are whatever they can best use to control their victim.
and then i saw the evil trans woman in the closet and she was making a baby and the baby was genderqueer and used xe pronouns and the baby looked at me
Baby looked at you? Mods, get me Spez!
More like “oh and I’m going to misgender both parents because I’m an ally” Wow that’s a lot of upvotes, kindly stop upvoting-
No, you see, my ~~daughter~~ CHILD OF INDETERMINATE GENDER you fuckin liberal commie wackos, anyway, after a few weeks of me not trying to use their pronouns at all, they stopped asking me, so it's fine! It's not like there's a reason a trans kid might stop pushing the subject to an openly unsupportive parent besides giving up on the trans thing and going back to being a nice normal daughter.
'Hey mom I'm NB.' DAUGHTER DAUGHTER MOTHER DAUGHTER 'And this is my child's mother.' SPERM DONOR SPERM DONOR I'M SO PROGRESSIVE FOR NOT CALLING THEM A FATHER
IKR?? And… “I'm reporting people who call this bait.” Go ahead and report us, you’ll be the one who gets banned in the end for some fake shit like this
I did not understand, the partner is mtf? The storyline is hard to follow. This troll is combining hate for trans, nb and church in the same post
I think the partner is also NB, but I have no clue.
Oop says that the partner is trans mtf but keeps deliberately misgendering them... and can't spell donor.
I suspect that in the writers head, the partner is a trans woman whom she misgenders both as a man and non-binary.
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Seconded
This is some "Down with Cis bus"-tier nonsense.
I can't prove it, but I feel like an Upwork client requested this one. If I'm right, there are at least 3 more updates on the way.
Wake up babe new Evil Trans ocs just dropped
I have never in my life heard of a trans person who had the same views on abortion as an Evangelical trump supporter
I take no joy in introducing you to Blair White.
This series of posts is just the transphobic version of the post where the mom and their nb pregnant teen (tho mb the child was 20?) who had a really heartwarming experience. It’s always fun when a post triggers a alternate universe retelling 🤭
What was the heartwarming one?
god, I’m having the worst time finding it but it was a mom posting about thinking her kid was pregnant and looking for advice on how to approach them about it. Then the update was that they had a heart to heart and mom is supporting her kid through their pregnancy and they got closer yada yada. All of my searches keep bringing up the wrong story, sorry! 😞
Found it on BORU: https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/1amfx1s/i_35f_think_my_child_18nb_is_pregnant_how_do_i/
Wait holy shit. The ages and everything lines up. Did they genuinely get \*so mad\* about a Reddit post about a parent supporting their nonbinary child through their pregnancy that they rewrote it to make the child evil?
Full conspiracy mood here, but I genuinely think so 💀💀💀
When I saw the title of this post, it was so similar that one. I actually thought it was a continuation of the same story and it suddenly took a 180!
Oh I'm glad it's not just me
your memory, your searching skills 🙌 golden, thank you 🙏
https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/1amfx1s/i_35f_think_my_child_18nb_is_pregnant_how_do_i/
This story doesn't add up. I can't think of a single religious belief that is strongly pro trans rights, and strongly and strictly anti-choice. Women's bodily autonomy isn't something you can be both in favor of and strongly opposed to. The sperm "doner" character has a blatant internal inconsistency, so frankly, I don't think he's real.
So let's assume this is real. Which is more likely to be true? That OP's child gave up on being trans after their mom made them see the light (not immediately putting them on testosterone) or that OP's child just went back into the closet to not put up with OP?
Joanne Rowling, is this your intro to your new book?
And that evil, transfem, pro-life partner? ALBERT EINSTEIN.
It’s SPERM-DONOR MA’AM
The worst kebabish in town.
I think this post is ragebait, but a lot of teens and young people experiment with pronouns. I have a younger relative who often changes pronouns, almost daily, and in general I use whatever pronouns I was instructed to use the last time I saw them. And if I'm wrong that they correct me!
As of the first post, this particular caricature of a NB person was demanding everyone around them ask what their pronouns are every morning and get furious if you didn’t check what their exact gender was at that moment, which is what conservative boogeymen think experimenting with pronouns looks like.
Yeah I read it. My relative used to get really upset if you didn't just KNOW what gender they were that day, I eventually got them a little set of buttons to wear. Of course, my relative was a literal child with special needs when we went through this phase with them. Not a sexually active adult who is for some reason allergic to birth control and abortion.
It makes sense to me because my pronouns are consecutive prime numbers. I'm at 67 right now, DM me to see if that has changed if you need to refer to me in another comment.
I don’t know, I was in high school in the late Tumblr era (2012-2017) and this wasn’t really my experience.
That's fair. I think it's a lot more accepted to explore pronouns now and at a younger age (when emotions are less regulated).
Birth control isn't feminizing! It's only estrogen and progesterone! (Yes I'm aware they're in way different doses than trans her)
Ah, it WAS anti-trans propaganda all along.
My NB partner read this story and immediately knew it was fake, not surprised that AITAH bites on this nonsense.
I mean, yeah its a troll post, but I've met multiple people who are genderfluid and request that you ask for their pronouns each time because the pronouns used for their identity can change from day to day.
Okay honestly fair! I apologize then for making fun of that aspect of the story
I was literally going to comment the same thing! Thank you for realising the error and educating yourself :)
I have never met such a person IRL but they’re all over the internet
Yeah I came here to say, my sibling is genderfluid and does the same.
To be fair, there are people who usw different pronouns everyday..Just recently saw a tiktok of someone (in German tho) who talked about how they felt every day (on monday she/her, on tuesday No pronouns, in thursday (with a deeper voice and oversized clothes) he/him..and No it wasn't a Troll)
yeah it's pretty cool right, the human mind is an advanced and complex thing
Genuine question: how does “no pronouns” work
Use the person's name in place of pronouns or otherwise phrase things differently so you don't need pronouns
I have some friends who use no pronouns and when I refer to my friends I do not use pronouns but the friends name (quiet a few non-binary people in Germany use no pronouns because we do not have gender neutral pronouns)
When my friend wasn't out to others, I would speak (in English) without third-person pronouns when talking about her. It was great that I never had to misgender her to avoid outting her, and people didn't even notice until months after she came out. I forget exactly how I did it, but I also managed to avoid using her deadname as much as possible
That is so cool that you did that! And yeah, if I talk about friends who are out to me but not to the world it goes similarly
Instead of saying "he/she/they ate a sandwich", you use their full name. E.g: "Usidore, Wizard of the 12th Realm of Ephysiyies, Master of Light and Shadow, Manipulator of Magical Delights, Devourer of Chaos, Champion of the Great Halls of Terr'akkas, ate a sandwich"
Stopped reading the first part when she mentioned contraceptive pills ''feminizing'' her fictional daughter. Those pills are given to AFAB trans men who want to stop their menstrual cycles when they can't get on T or T didn't stop theirs. If you're going to make a transphobic fake post at least get your info right. Source : I'm a trans guy whose endocrinologist thought about using contraceptive pills the first months of HRT
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Also who's pounding back drinks at ihop??? Do they serve booze now??
“drinks” also means water and iced tea. It’s what comes first before you order.
ihop doesn't, but they were at an iHop. It's Apple's new foray into the nightclub business.
The one that recently opened up near me does! I figured it was because the old building used to be a bar; but maybe they're expanding into alcohol now like other chains?
it is absolutely real for a kid who is exploring their gender to go through a period of nonbinary genderfluidity. my nephew changed his regularly and told his mom every day for several months. one day finally settled on transitioning. but he’s a very practical, methodical kid. he did the same thing with his name, cycled through like three before he decided what to be called. kid is barely 13 and has his ish together. and as a she/they enby, i don’t disbelieve “the mom” when, in her first post, she said her daughter chose to use femme nouns and pronouns. i don’t identify with any gender but i prefer femme terms because it’s how i present. whoever wrote this used two actually real things that aren’t common knowledge to allies, let alone haters. so really, i’m going more it being less anti-trans fanfic and more the daughter wanting to get people to say the mom should raise the baby.
I dunno if I would give them that much credit. "Totally fake nonbinary people who use terms that match their AGAB because they're FAKERS" and "trans person who's constantly changing pronouns but FREAKS OUT at anyone who doesn't guess right" were really common stereotypes in 2014-era truscum discourse. People used to make shitty transphobic comics that were literally just about these two things. Between that and the whole "predatory abusive pervert man-- uhh I mean trans woman but I'll still exclusively refer to her as a man anyways-- who's preying on the poor afab wombyxn who's just confused about her gender" thing and the bizarrely conflicting beliefs (the trans woman here is supportive of teen pregnancy, sex before marriage, believes nonbinary people exist, and wants her nonbinary partner to transition is also.. a far right christian who believes abortion is a sin?) \*really, really\* reads as someone's poorly written "trans bad" fanfiction. It's just too many right-wing boogeymen wrapped up in a barely coherent narrative. There's not even really much of a narrative beyond "look how bad and irrational these trans people are!"
I assumed "abortion bad" was some kind of extension of body dysmorphia that trans women experience. Like the trope of trans women either being jealous of periods or saying they understand or wish they had menstrual pain. If you want to have a uterus and be able to carry children, you may think abortion is a "sin" because they are rejecting what you wish you could have. I don't think this is real, but that's where I assume they got the plot line.
Hahahahahahhahaha are you the other parent? Cause that's the only explanation. She very obviously did her best to follow everything, anyone not seeing her child and partner as super problematic is just prob entitled or selfish in the same way. Like jeez.
The loud orgasm sounds and masturbation… seriously? OP knows you fucked her daughter; you don’t have to rub it in.
Wait are you taking this story at face value?
And in all fairness, teenagers, especially those living as boys, think that kind of shit is peak humor. I don’t know any parent who would kick a kid out for it. It just takes a withering look to shut them up.
I must have been surrounded by some right pervs as a teen because that sounds like normal teenage “boy” behaviour.
Her story isn't great, but man this lady sure has unique ways to describe feelings. I hope she posts more so I can see what new way of describing how she feels she comes up with.
An evil anti-choice fundie transfem is force transmasc-ing girls? It's the all-in-one ragebait for GCs
Thinks daughter is in an abusive relationship, wants to leave her very helpless grandchild in that situation. Sure, it’s rage bait all around, but why would anyone in their right mind think they’re the good guy for that? (IRL, I don’t even want to think where my niblings would be right now if mom had taken this same attitude towards my sister, who was with a dude very much like daughter’s…whatever they are. I honestly started skimming after a bit.)
I would not be a bit surprised if my abusive narcissistic mother wrote this as one of her mental cosplay scenarios she dreams up whereby she punishes someone who fits the caricature of whatever she is accusing me of at the time. Right now it’s telling me I’m not really non binary, just a confused child. I’m 40 btw.
Wild how they never had a problem using "they" for binary trans people, but when you tell them your pronouns are they/them, suddenly that's too hard to remember or not proper English.