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**My (26M) girlfriend (22F) kicked a child, and I can’t view her the same way.**
My girlfriend and I have been dating for two years now. A few days ago, she told me the following:
She left to take our dog to the dog park in our apartment complex. When she got there, a boy (who we now know is 8 years old) with a ball pump approached her and asked if he could pet the dog. She let him, then when he took too long, told him that out dog can’t poop if she’s distracted. The kid didn’t respond well to that, and followed them into the dog park. He climbed into a tube tunnel in there, and when our dog went over to sniff the tunnel, my girlfriend saw him poking the dog with the pump. She told him not to do that, and leashed our dog and took her to a trail that goes through the trees behind our apartment complex that’s decently far from the dog park.
While she was on the trail letting the dog sniff around, she noticed that the boy was following them, still with the ball pump. She pretended to get on her phone, and asked the boy something like “what’s your name? The police officer on the phone wants to know”. The boy got angry, and started running at them. My girlfriend put herself between him and our dog, and he jammed the basketball pump in her leg, and she kicked him, sending him tumbling down the hill by the path. She said that it was automatic but I don’t know if I believe that. The boy ended up spraining his wrist, and his parents called the police.
My girlfriend was questioned, but not arrested. The parents want to press charges, and as much as my girlfriend insists that she thinks it will be fine, I just can’t get the idea of her being violent towards a minor out of my mind. I want kids someday, and I thought that I knew who I was dating. She injured a child, and I feel so gross that I’ve been dating someone like this. How does our relationship move forward?
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She reflexively kicked the kid who STABBED HER WITH A BLUNT NEEDLE MEANT TO INFLATE BALLS? Oh no, how very unhinged and violent and not at all self-preservatory
Jesus, for some reason I forgot there was a needle on those things and I was thinking like, the kid just like pushed the body of the pump into her and I was STILL ob the girlfriends side. The kid is actually super creepy
This kid should NOT have been unsupervised. Following a stranger around, being weird toward the dog, and then charging and ASSAULTING them? Yeah no, I don’t blame the girlfriend 1 bit, and I’ll use give kids a LOT of leeway.
Right?
And if the kids has been carrying it around, God knows what nasty little microbes are on that blunt needle.
I hope she gets a tetanus shot and keeps an eye on it. Puncture wounds have the potential to get pretty gnarly.
Absolutely, and he was poking the dog with it? He was probably stabbing it into the ground & trees & grass at best, tetanus shot is Absolutely Necessary.
Tbh he's already trying to make it sound like her defending herself (in a purely reflexive reaction - got stabbed in the leg, kicked attacker) is some kind of red flag for her being a secretly violent psychopath & he's so heartsick & morally conflicted about staying with someone who "could hurt a child" 🥺 poor OOP, his delicate sensibilities cannot withstand ancient reflexes like "Ouch, thing hurt, get thing off!"
I put a knitting needle (\~4mm dia.) through my hand once. It SUCKED. I can't imagine a ball pump needle! That's so dull; it makes me nauseous thinking about it.
I need OOP's email address or messenger name so I can send him links to all the true crime videos where children murdered their parents or other adults or other children. That 8 yo maybe has the makings of a serial killer. /s
A very petty, hidden, shameful piece of my heart ,(thankfully it's also very tiny and rarely exposed) wishes I could have seen the little shithead rolling down that hill. 😝😝
I'm glad we don't utilize that piece often. I'm willing, also, to give kids benefit of the doubt quite often, but this one sounds very... troubled??
Lmao. I would love to see the kid rolling down the hill and would enjoy laughing. That part of my heart is probably not hidden or shamed enough. But geez, that’s some deserved karma.
Yeah this is more an entitled people for the child and the parents (who were… where exactly as their child followed a dog into a dog park and then a stranger into a forested trail)?!
Good point! Imagine if she had been a truly violent person, what awful thing could have happened after he ATTACKED her with the bike pump. Why does this child think it's ok not only to follow strangers into secluded areas but also to attack people? Do we not teach Stranger Danger anymore?
Some parents would rather their kids feel like they’re absolutely invincible and so perfect the world owes them everything, they don’t even think about other things that could happen that their kid would have zero preparation for
Or he’s a little sociopath himself 🤷🏻♀️
Also an 8 year old boy can easily be approaching the size of a petite adult woman, if not already taller and stronger. I am a woman and a tall one, but I was already as tall as my nana and some of my aunts at that age, obviously children hit their growth points at different stages but it is entirely possible that there wasn't as big a discrepancy in the physical size of them to make the boy not a very real physical threat without the ball pump.
Also if he punctured her and pumped air in? Hello potential air embolism.
>Also if he punctured her and pumped air in? Hello potential air embolism.
My first thought exactly! This fuckwit is completely ignoring the fact that this child could have potentially *killed* his girlfriend!
I'm a short woman myself, and my bosses children started getting taller than me around age 11. Some children grow tall really young, but most 8 yo's aren't likely as tall as an adult just yet. Doesn't mean they aren't close and potentially as strong.
Yeah kids hit growth spurts at different times, and I am an outlier in terms of height, I was already 6 foot before I turned 12. But its not that unusual for a woman to be around 5 foot or even shorter. I know some very tiny, petite ladies. One of my friends is not even that short, with a very tall husband, and her 9 year old is her height. Not saying it's the case in this instance, but this isn't necessarily some itty bitty kid, vs a she beast like me. I've known some big beefy 8 year old boys that would be pretty scary to have run at you alone on a path with a blunt needle and air pump. Just the shock of it would throw you, and trying to protect your dog as well.
Exactly. My youngest is a little older but he’s built, plays defensive tackle and is strong enough to lift me (his mom) up. That kid could absolutely have been a physical threat to OP’s GF.
As a teacher, who sees lots of different kids, I can tell you it's not common but there are some big 8 year olds. But that doesn't matter. We also have to consider that the kid had what amounted to a weapon. When anyone, no matter the size, gets aggressive the only way to defend yourself is to physically force them off you. Those of us with training know how to safely use proportional force, but I doubt GF had that training. NOBODY should be expected to allow any one or any thing to just harm them.
BTW, why was a kid that young with such obvious self-regulation problems out unsupervised?
I also work with kids, that's exactly why I'm saying it's an exaggeration. Of course it can happen but like it's super rare that an 8 y.o. would be taller than a "petit woman" (which i am). I'm not discussing the attitude of the kid. I'm just saying that the point about the size of the kids is an exaggeration.
Mate read the word approaching, I am saying it is possible that this wasn't a scrawny little kid, some 8 year olds are quite big, some adult women are very small. was taller then some of my aunts at that age, I was 6 foot before 12, girls on average have growth spurts earlier, but I've known some tall 8 year old boys too. Did you read the nuance in the comment? Or nah just leaping to wave it away? Given that we don't know the size of either the kid or the woman this could have been a situation where the physical risk was quite high.
Also even at over 6 foot, even if he was little I would have cunt punted that little shit too. No ones coming at me or my dog with a blunt needle and air pump without feeling my displeasure.
I have kids. Yes, they can be. Not all of them, and not a majority of them. But they can be. There are teachers at my daughter's elementary who are smaller than most of the 5th and 6th graders and several of the younger kids.
I have big kids and my ex-partner had kids with pituitary dwarfism, five kids between us. My son was 5'0.5" and 107 lbs at eight y/o, while her son, who was ten days older than mine, was barely 4'2" and 61 lbs. \[I saw your comment and literally went back to check the box of the kid checkup stickers lol\]. My son is now 15, 5'11", and 210. My 11F is 5'2" 120.
ETA: Big ups to the people downvoting the size of my kids (?) Or the people who don't like the fact that some kids are huge? Anyways, good call on the downvoting on that.
Let’s not forget if oxygen gets in your bloodstream it can be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. If that kid decided to start pumping (if it was deep enough) OOPs girlfriend could have her life endangered
>I just can’t get the idea of her being violent towards a minor out of my mind.
And I'm willing to bet that she can't get the idea of her boyfriend saying "You should just sit and take being hit by a random person or having your dog get hurt by said person" out of her mind.
The kid was 8 years old which is MORE than old enough to understand "no means no" and that hurting random people is NOT okay.
I’m also willing to bet that, had GF just let the kid assault her and the dog, OOP would be making a post about how he can’t look at her the same because she didn’t defend the dog.
More than old enough and more than big enough to do some proper damage against a small woman! There’s a nine year old in school with my youngest and he’s bigger than me! If he came hurtling towards me with a bike pump you can be sure he’s getting put on his arse before he can hurt me or my dog!
I was training to be a teacher with kids around that age, one of them hurt me so badly that I had to be off for three weeks (it wasn't intentional but shows how much damage kids that age can do)
I used to work at a behavioral facility for kids and my worst injuries came from working in the little (ages 5-10) boy's dorm. One time, a 10 year old boy bit my hand hard enough that he came off the ground when I tried to pull away. My immediate reaction after jumping away when he just bit down harder was just panic to GET HIM OFF. So completely by reflex, I straight up stiff armed and hit him in the face. I felt so bad afterward, but he broke skin and it hurt like hell.
Yeah, it was the most fulfilling job I've ever had, seeing these kids learn and improve and get discharged. I worked there for about 2 years, but I physically couldn't handle it anymore after getting 2 concussions within a month. My husband worked there until he tore his shoulder and needed surgery. It was intense.
I've seen similar in a special needs school. (Day school, for kids with higher needs, including behavioural issues). A teacher got violently assaulted right in front of me. Punched, kicked, bitten and headbutted. Black eye, bust lip and broken glasses. Had to run for help. Kid was 10, same height as the teacher he attacked and she was taller than me. Due to the way our system works, as supply, I'm not allowed to intervene, beyond defending myself, or i would lose my ability to work in education(just in case people wonder why I went for help instead of helping). It was a scary situation and I left and refuse to go back. I tell any new agency I register with I will not go to that school. I absolutely do not blame you or OPs gf for the reaction. Self.defence is necessary with some children.
The place I was at was woefully understaffed. We had more than 1 straight-up riot while I was there. Just getting through a single 10 hour shift without having to call for the program support staff (mostly male staff that wasn't assigned to a dorm and just went around putting out fires) was considered a rarity. My husband and I were both there for 2 years and in that time my glasses were broken 5 times, I'd been scratched in the face, my arms are covered in scars from fingernails and teeth, I sprained my knee, had a finger dislocated, and got 2 concussions (that I know of, I didn't always get checked out when I should have) within a month of each other. My husband didn't get hurt as much but he had at least 1 concussion and tore his shoulder, which required surgery, during one of the riots.
When he said kicked a kid in my head it was a toddler. When I read “8 year old with a ball pump” I immediately thought Dennis the menace
She was attacked, the kid was told multiple times to leave her and their dog alone. She even tried to put distance between them and she was followed.
Also the “I want kids someday”
Lmao be serious don’t raise your kids to be asshats and I think you’ll be fine. She didn’t attack him unprovoked. Someone came at her, sounds like STABBED her with something and she kicked them off her.
I’d be pissed if I was her but I’d really want to know what he wanted me to do in this situation? Let a kid assault me?
A kid not old enough to understand “no means no” isn’t old enough to be outside alone. But, then, a 3 year old is old enough to understand, and even cooperate with it most of the time.
My pet lizards could understand “no.” Sometimes it took a lot of repetition to learn the concept and it might require a couple attempts if they thought there was yummy food involved lol (“no don’t bite my painted nails even though they look like delicious berries, I promise they are not!” but they were Very Skeptical lol) but they all got it. I’ve seen videos of people putting tasty worms in front of trained lizards and saying “no” and they sit and wait to eat it until the person says “okay go ahead.” So I’m pretty sure this kid understood that what he was doing was wrong, especially as evidenced by his freaking out and dramatically escalating when she pretended to call the police. There’s something wrong with this kid and it gives me the creeps.
My sister trained her food-motivated dog to sit still and balance a greenie stick on her snout. This is the dog who remembered getting a treat from my pants pocket after a walk, and several days later reminded me to hand out treats by pressing her nose against my ‘treat pocket.’
*I pulled out treats, put them in my pocket for safekeeping while I sealed and put away the treat bag. I didn’t want to tempt the dogs to do bad behavior by placing them on the table.
My foodie pup LOVED doing the treat-on-the-nose trick! Mostly because it meant he got to eat a whole one all at once instead of the normal pieces lol. He got so good at balancing that eventually we were able to stack the little disc-shaped training treats up 5 high on his nose. When we gave him the ok he’d toss them all up in the air and catch them on the way down like popcorn toss 😂
Like, getting down on my 4yo's level and explaining in simple language why his behavior is inappropriate and guiding him through emotionally regulating himself while keeping myself sane is HARD. It takes fucking work to be a good parent, and it irks when when Boomers bust in like the Kool-aid Man and blame proven outcomes of Permissive or Authoritarian parenting on not being abusive or neglectful.
90's parenting? Is this an example of what you mean? https://theeverymom.com/90s-parenting-styles/
Because I fail to see how limiting screen time and encouraging more face-to-face interactions is somehow a problem.
I would be willing to bet that she isn’t the first person he has attacked.
Following her around for what sounds like more than a few minutes is really worrying behavior. Him potentially wanting to hurt both her and the dog after being told no screams serial killer in the making. I’m not saying he necessarily will be or will keep being violent, but it does sound like the backstory in a true crime documentary.
The fact that he felt comfortable attacking an adult makes me think something is seriously wrong with this kid.
I hope his parents take him to see a psychiatrist, but considering their defense of him they probably won’t. Maybe the kid is really good at manipulating his parents and has twisted the situation because most parents would probably have told the kid that they asked for it since they attacked someone.
TBH i hate the idea that if someone is a minor you cant defend yourself or that people will be mad about it. like i dont care how old you are if you try to stab me im not holding back, im gonna do the fastest thing to get me out of that situation wether that be pushing, punching or kicking. remember hearing a story about a dad attacking some kids that surrounded him (dont remember the exact story or if they had weapons) and remember some people on reddit being mad at the dad and using the excuse of the kids being minors.
If kids or minors know that ''you wont go hard on them'' cause they are minors then that removes fear to a certain extent, of course not every minor is gonna go around attacking people, but those that do desserve to get their ass kicked so hard they start tasting their own shit.
OOP is the type to hear a story about how someone was fucking with and attacking a bear, got mauled and OOP would then proceed to blame the bear.
So the parents were there to call the police and try to press charges but did nothing when their kid was following her around and hitting her with the ball pump? Which why was he even carrying that around?
How convenient. I loathe those parents that totally ignore their kids until they get a chance to play mama/papa bear and get violent in a way that they can justify to other people. They just want excuses to fight. I hope they are told to get bent and keep their kid under control.
Seriously! One of my kids is this age, and he (unlike the other kids) is absolutely not mature enough to be trusted to run around far out of my sight in a public place. So I don't let him do that!
My assumption was kid went home crying to parents and they knew who she was from seeing her around. Either way, terrible parenting but so many just let their brats do whatever they want.
One of my friend's daughters is a teacher and I've been in the teachers sub before - so many parents now make no effort whatsoever towards discipline or teaching their kids to behave, the kids do absolutely anything they want, to and beyond the point of violence, and their parents will throw a fit if someone so much as raises their voice at the kids. They can turn in no work at all and do nothing but watch videos on their phone in school and still pass because teachers aren't allowed to fail them, suspensions are rarely given and even more rarely stick for even the most out of control behavior...it's totally insane, and then those parents act shocked when their kids end up as jobless bums who never move out and end up in prison.
I believe all of that, I just have also seen kids by themselves with no parent in sight bullying smaller kids too. So that's why I thought that because usually a crap parent would have started a scene or something but he didn't give us enough details
I can totally see that being why they act out so much at school and get so violent. Their parents don't know they exist until they're being called in to school about their kid beating someone or biting a teacher or something, and suddenly their parent is defending them and cuddling them and insisting that they're a perfect angel and how dare anyone accuse them of anything - it's probably the only times at all their parents praise them or acknowledge that they exist.
Too many people think you should never touch a child, just talk to them and explain what they did wrong. F that, I say. Sometimes, brats learn more via action.
I mean, that works with your own kid, but a strange, extremely volatile kid will never just accept your authority. People who think they will are delusional
Getting physical with the child here was necessary because he was physically attacking them, but you should not get physical with children to teach them a lesson. That’s abuse, and it can *cause* behaviour like this. The kid needs therapy, not to be physically harmed.
The kid was stalking her, was physically aggressive towards her, was physically violent towards the dog and yet her BF wanted her to just shrug her shoulders take it?
Make it make sense
Yeah, I hope she dump that manchild. She deserves better than someone who will think only where he is going to put his sperm rather than his supposed lover wellbeing and their dog.
As a kid owner (lol, parent) of an 8 year old, I totally would have kicked him, too.
Mine is slightly more than half my weight (65 lbs) and could do real damage with a weapon.
That’s the thing that gets me too! Most 8yo’s are plenty capable of doing real damage to someone, especially with a weapon. A lot of self defence movements are indeed reflexes that occur due to preservation instincts.
I would have also kicked, probably reflexively, if someone ran at me with a weapon and began using it. Kid got what he fucking asked for. Frankly he got off light. Maybe this will teach him not to rush at and attack people for telling him no.
You are the kind of parent I like. Kids aren’t saints and they need direction. If my kid came home telling me this story I would call and apologize to the dog owner. But nowadays it’s always a lawsuit and absurd defensiveness about absolutely anything a kid does. Scary.
Same. It's important for dogs to know that it's your job to defend them because the alternative is that it's their job to defend themselves, and that's a short path to a tragic ending. It's stupid and dangerous to let kids teach a dog that they'll hurt him. I'd much rather get in trouble for kicking a kid who won't stop fucking with my dog than risk winding up with a dog who thinks he needs to protect himself from kids. It's not like she kicked the kid out of irritation. They tried to just leave, and she asked the kid to stop. All in all a kick is a pretty mild version of FAFO in this scenario.
I have a 100 lb border collie/husky and a chihuahua/ rat terrier thats about 20 lbs. The big one is a great big huggable teddy besr. The little one is always all big smiles and wagging tail. If someone charged at me and hurt me, theyd probably still be looking for pieces of that kid.
Even the most loving, docile dogs are still decendants of apex predators and still have pack instincts. Seeing their Alpha (master or mistress) getting attacked can set off that pack instinct that can turn an otherwise sweet and huggable, well adjusted and trained dog back into a wolf just long enough to kill someone. They literally have no control over it.
I was just thinking this. The kid starts by abusing neighbourhood cats and dogs. He then murders a school bully in a violent outburst and finally brutally murders his mum's partner, his older sister and her boyfriend in a single night
The three signs of a child psychopath and future serial killer:
1. Tortures animals
2. Wets the bed
3. Sets fires
I suspect he might fit the bill. It is absolutely not normal for an 8 year old kid to attack an adult. I worry for his siblings if he has any
ETA: I am not saying bed wetting alone is a red flag. Lots of kids wet the bed. I did at that age. I am saying in combination with the other two factors
to be fair, i was a _hell_ of a pyromaniac at that age. in my defense, none of the fires i (very inappropriately!!) lit ever got out of my control, because luck.
the unholy trifecta though? that’s a dangerous signal, as you point out
that’s a hell of a question i somehow hadn’t considered 🥲
i’ve been thinking about it for a couple of hours, and the best i can say is “growing up,” sad as it is. the combination of less unstructured time (due to after school job) and better opportunities to indulge when available (applying skill to bonfire/parties instead of random places in the woods) did most of the heavy lifting; a nasty second-degree burn caused by someone else was probably the final straw.
which isn’t to say that i don’t still enjoy a good fire, now and then, i just usually keep them confined to designated fire pits (and/or our stove)
These are also *very common* in traumatised children (which isn’t a coincidence- trauma often causes personality disorders and trauma is very common in the background of serial killers). Children being so violent at this age is a massive red flag to not only possibly developing mental health issues, but also that they were hurt in some way and need help
I desperately hope this is all fake and just ragebait. “Oh, my girlfriend and dog were being harassed by this child with a BALL PUMP but I draw the line at kicking children in self-defense!”
I totally believe this story. I had a similar experience in my family when my youngest brother was 5 years old. My mother let him just wander around with a wrench (or maybe a hammer? I don’t remember now) threatening to smash our kneecaps.
When I complained about this her response was that he was just a little boy and we were all bigger and he was just overwhelmed by everything. No attempt to stop him or take away the wrench…
I was several years older than him (college age) but it was still upsetting.
I'm leaning that way, purely on the thought of an 8-yo carrying around a ball pump to play with on the playground. While there are different designs of ball pumps, I have yet to see any that I would consider "play worthy" (meaning a child would find it fun to play with) and if the kid was looking for a more "weapon worthy" item, there are plenty they could find in a household that would be more convenient to carry around.
Kids are weird, though. My kids would carry around the strangest things. I remember a couple weeks my older one carried around a screwdriver he'd found (wasn't ours, so he found it around the new house).
Oh, I do know how weird kids can be. But there's always a sort of logic behind the choices. I really don't see where any of that logic would be in not only choosing to play with a ball pump, but to take it outside around the park. Especially an 8-yo, which is around the time they start trying more to fit in and show how grown up they are, and less likely to do strange things like this.
8 year old psycho tries to harm dog multiple times, charges at woman and dog with sharp object, stabs woman with said sharp object, she defends herself and her partner dOeSnT kNoW iF hEr aNyMoRe 😂😂 next days post "wimp of a man let's feral child stab dog because 'hes just a child' "
More like wimp of a man let's child hurt/kill baby because hes just a child.
This kid as all tried to harm a animal, stabbed the owner (an adult!!) He can totally has it in him to harm a baby if given a chance.
Kids needs serious help before he ends up some crime show about killer kids/teens
Thought experiment for OOP: if a 12 year old points a loaded gun at you, are you not allowed to disarm the 12 year old by force because He’S jUsT a MiNoR?
i googled a ball pump and those look fucking sharp is she okay? i think kicking the little fucker down a hill is a perfectly reasonable response to getting literally stabbed
not to sound like a boomer but it’s kinda sad that i even find this post believable. kids these days smh… 👵
This kid is a serial killer in the making. Stalking, violence, not taking no for an answer at EIGHT. There's darkness in this child. I hope he gets help and his parents don't sweep this.
But, for this bellend OOP?? She didn't just attack a random child 🤦🏾♀️ She instinctively acted in self defense after a deranged child behaved violently
If you have a weak stomach then dont look into. It was horrible what they did to that poor child.
I believe one of then since being released has kept his nose clean out of trouble while the other got sent back for have child-you-know-what. Think he many have also revealed his true identity at least once which ment he had to move from were he was living. At that's what I heard.
Hate to say this, but since 2020 this has become pretty typical behavior for a lot of kids that age.
They lack the important socialization years of school and postschool activities. I often find they act closer to age 4ish with their extreme selfishness staying intact, well past the years it is was beneficial for a child's growth and development.
Not condoning the actions at all btw. That kids a twat. I just found it's more common now than it was prepandemic for kids to act this way.
The pandemic might be part of it, but I think the larger impact has been from school and parenting trends the last decade or so.
Kids see more online than was available to them even 10 years ago. And unless parents are knowledgeable and proactive in screening content, they are given access to a lot of content that is not age appropriate. I have to regularly explain to my 8-10 year old students why I will not be showing "Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey," in class. The usual response is "my mom let me watch it!" It's not unusual to hear Kindergarten kids talking about Five Nights at Freddy's or Squid Game either. They have access to this content, but they are not developmentally ready to process it.
Then theres the lack of consequences. I see this regularly when I call home about behaviours. Parents either don't care, or get angry at me for bothering them. Even for things like "your 10 year old got in a fist fight today." I have one parent who even encourages it.
All of my students went through the pandemic, with the exact same restrictions on their school and personal lives, but relatively few are violent or anti-social. Less mature, sure, and definitely lower academically. But not violent... that's a parenting issue.
Kids where "home" for a year. They still interacted, they still had playdates,
they still had online interactions and interactions with their families. That did not cause this behaviour on some huge scale, epecially since it happened a LOT before as well. There was a shift in parenting, expectations, and societal interactions that began well before 2020 that you can say might be affecting it, but the most common link is parents in the home who lash out in anger and aren't teaching kids how to manage their emotions.
Nah, this is mainly on the parents kids have been acting like this since my daughter was small. She's 16 now and it's been going on for awhile. It's the parenting and the parents. Despite us millennials not wanting to admit it along with the gen xers we are fucking up on the parenting aspects with this whole "gentle parenting" method which is more often than not permissive and iPad parenting.
Lol I'm all for being gentle with children but this little psycho was asking for it. I'd be buying my girl a beer or something, not adding to her stress.
I refuse to believe that this supposedly grown ass man is being serious. If this *did* actually happen then she had every right to fuck that kid's entire day up. He's lucky all she did was kick him away from her after he FKN STABBED HER WITH A BLUNT NEEDLE. I'd have chin checked that kid into next week and then demanded he get his mom so I could do the same to her for being such a shit parent to raise a kid who behaves like that. If this is real, I hope OP's girlfriend leaves his bitch ass, because if this isn't an acceptable scenario in which to defend one's self, then what the fuck is?
He expects her to be okay with violence and to accept being hit/attacked. Even if it was just a kid doing it, his expectations that she shouldn't defend herself are extremely worrying.
I always love stumbling on one of these posts lie 5+ hours in and there isn't a single 'nother comment from OP
You immediately know only one of two things is happening here:
1. OP got their ass cleared so hard they don't know which way is up anymore
2. It's ragebait
Okay but this kid got told no and it enraged him to much he stalked a woman, tried to hurt and dog and stabbed a woman. And his parents are mad AT HER. Parents always think they are doing their violent kids a favor when they cover from them but this story always ends the same way.
This kid stalked her to two different locations, harassed her dog multiple times, didn't listen to her many instances of "no" and then STABBED HER IN THE LEG. What was she supposed to do, let him?
And of COURSE the parents are continuing to enable his stalking, harassment and violence. Of course they are.
Your relationship doesn’t move forward. You weren’t there and didn’t see what happened, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is that you don’t trust her. That’s a dealbreaker.
If anything, this shows that in a scary situation she would stay calm and collects and put herself between the threat and a more vulnerable party. That instinct would have been the same protecting herself and a child.
Excellent partner from the entitled dicks who let their child wander around attacking people and tormenting dogs with mental spikes but get very attentive when there might be the chance of exploiting money/s
Thank god I’m seeing all comments supporting the girlfriend. I was worried I’m a psycho because I thought I would have “This is Sparta”-ed that kids ass down the hill
She sound delightfully restrained and mature. The things I would do to anyone,any age, trying to hurt my dog includes way worse things. And zero remorse from me. Oh, and I would dump you for being a POS.
Yeah this isn't surprising. So many people with the mentality "you can't hit X kind of person because Y reason" that people are expected to not defend themselves.
Can I also mention that WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW BIG THE DOG IS HERE?
The dog could have been a fucking yorkie and this kid was about to JAM A PUMP into this dog and could have LITERALLY KILLED THEM. Putting air into an opened wound is no joke-- there's a reason why doctors are incredibly careful about preventing bubbles in syringes.
The GF is totally a hero. No question. Saved that dog.
It sounds horrible, but genuinely some kids need to get kicked down a hill like that to learn a lesson, especially if the adults won't reprimand them. Some parents will not reprimand their 'little angels' even if they were legitimately stalking people.
I can certainly tell you I would have some choice words for that child, at the very least.
So your are saying if a 16 yo child follows her into the woods, and rapes her, because you dont want her to protect herself ? That kid deserved that kick AND more ! Do you realize that having no respect for a life of an animal, is how most serial killers start out? Weeee this is fun... I killed that bird... Oh look a Rabbit, then a cat or dog or whatever for them to get a rush out of killing? I'm thinking maybe she should reevaluate the relationship - -
Ok.. I was prepared to think the girlfriend was a complete POS but she did literally nothing wrong. And I'm a mom. If one of my children ever acted that way and tried to hurt somebody like that, I would have 0 issues with that person defending themselves. That little kid has some serious issues and his parents need to worry about that instead of the person he stalked, harassed, and attacked defending herself.
The GF was correct and didn't do anything violent or criminal. It was self-preservation and hence, not her fault. What is wrong with the bf? He wrote out the post and yet he thought that the kid should have been given a free pass? First of all kids should be held accountable otherwise they will turn out to be insufferable. Secondly, he really should put off being a parent if he isn't going to parent because he perceives it as cruel. Children need discipline. Nobody needs to slap or physically or mentally abuse them but in this case, she has a knee jerk reaction to being stabbed. It wasn't contemplated or thought out, so she wasn't cruel. The OOP is just a careless person.
What is scary is that the kid responded to violence by stabbing on hearing no. He is not only old enough to understand no is no but also to know that stabbing is painful. Furthermore, no crying, no tantrum which in itself is awfully bad, he decided to full fling stab her. What is he going to do when he grows older with more exposure of potential weapons? And he hears no? Because the parent are clearly victimising him, supporting him. What will happen in the future, when he hears no from a girlfriend? What will happen in the future when he grows up? Because let us face it, his parents will justify the child all the damn time. And he will learn nothing from this incident.
Some kids in my neighborhood nearly allowed their dog to attack me last spring. I was lucky that some people walked by and helped me. Sometimes kids are scary. Yeet the dangerous ones.
"She said that it was automatic but I don’t know if I believe that"
What the fuck else would it be? Does he think she lured the little psycho to a specific hill just so she could kick him down it? Or that she specifically goaded him into going for her leg because that morning she decided she really wanted to kick a kid? Headbutt? No, too much. Shove? Too predictable. Kicking was the preferred choice, but it required a cunning and elaborate set-up!
Those parents suck. If a kids already acting like this before they’ve hit double digits, there’s something wrong going on- violence, especially towards animals, is a common thing for children around that age to express their trauma through, and it’s obviously fucked up and wrong and not okay I’m not justifying it but it's an obvious sign that kid needs help- because he’s either gone through something incredibly traumatic, he’s got deep set inherent mental health issues he needs immediate help with, or both- and it’s shitty parenting to just ignore it like that.
I'm banned in that sub for saying SA victims are entitled not to want to be around penis havers without being called phobic by the woke brigade.
My answer would have been:
You have the right to defend yourself. I don't care if it's a minor (some 8 year olds in my son's school were bigger than my ex).
He's abused your pet and then aggressively ran towards your gf.
And you're concerned that she defended herself?
Are you joking? Is this a troll post?
is your first thought about an eight year old boy that he has a penis. like kids have barely started puberty at that age an eight year old girl would have been as deadly bc the kid had a weapon!
I have more of a problem with the girlfriend pretending to call the cops on a kid. That seems more over reactionary and would make me question her version of events. I can't think of a really good reason to threaten an 8 year old kid with cops.
I’ve done that before with a neurodivergent kid whose behavior was very out of line.
Appealing to a potential authority (since the kid’s parents were not present) was a last-ditch effort at getting the child to fuck off without escalation.
How is that an over-reaction as she's being followed by someone with a potential weapon? Who else do you call? I know the Internet always makes it seem like cops burst in guns blazing, but they really don't. She "called" them to help with the situation and rightly so, that was a smart thing to do. Children will usually recognize the police as an authority.
It sounds like to me she got tied of the kid following them/taking too much interest in the dog. She pretend called police on the kid because she was unsure what else to do, and that triggered the kid. Most likely in a "if I am going to get in trouble I may as well earn it mindset." (Not uncommon in a lot of people.) Especially with what she told the kid "The police officer would like to know your name" can come off as threatening in a certain point of view. Punting the kid when she just had been stabbed isn't the worst reaction. Fight or flight is a legit automatic response. I'm not sure how she could have handled it better if she requested he leave her alone multiple times by that point. At the same time nither one of them handled this well.
How does OP think she should respond to an attack from a child?
That kid wandering alone was trying to displace some frustration felt from treatment in his own home. That's sad.
This story is ridiculous and completely made up. So this kid is polite enough to ask to pet the dog but also follows them around. Is somehow scared of the dog, yet lunges towards the same dog. Also just attacks a woman out of nowhere for no reason.
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He's mad because his girlfriend defended herself against a kid who was harassing her and her dog and who stabbed her and the dog with the blunt needle of a bicycle pump. The kid is lucky all he has is a sprained wrist. He deserved worse.
She's not going to hurt a kid for the sake of hurting a kid, but this was self-defense.
The parents should be the ones facing charges for letting their psycho son play with a ball pump. Imagine if this boy had gotten angry at another kid and decided to stab them in the eye with this thing?
How does this relationship move forward? by girlfriend dumping OOP's stupid rear end!
This: *he stabbed the basketball pump in her leg, and she kicked him*
OOP doesn't believe that girlfriend's reaction was automatic. Are you effing kidding me?? Somebody hits or stabs you in the leg, first thing you do is use your leg/foot to push them away from you. In other words, you kick them off you.
so the 'minor' that OOP is so distressed about, stalked, attacked and injured OOP's girlfriend, and OOP doesn't care about that at all? He's not grossed out that a minor attacked his girlfriend and injured her? He's only grossed out that OOP defended herself?? smh
As someone who was quite a violent child for a time, I think her response seems reasonable. She protect herself and your dog and didn’t attack him. She kicked him in self defense after he had already attacked her with a weapon and had followed her around for quite a while.
While having had anger issues growing up (because of undiagnosed autism and ADHD) I would have to be provoked and backed into a corner to do something like that. I certainly wouldn’t have followed someone around to create a situation.
This kid seriously needs help, attacking someone because they told you no is very worrying behavior. The fact that he didn’t think twice about doing this to an adult makes me wonder who else he has attacked.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **My (26M) girlfriend (22F) kicked a child, and I can’t view her the same way.** My girlfriend and I have been dating for two years now. A few days ago, she told me the following: She left to take our dog to the dog park in our apartment complex. When she got there, a boy (who we now know is 8 years old) with a ball pump approached her and asked if he could pet the dog. She let him, then when he took too long, told him that out dog can’t poop if she’s distracted. The kid didn’t respond well to that, and followed them into the dog park. He climbed into a tube tunnel in there, and when our dog went over to sniff the tunnel, my girlfriend saw him poking the dog with the pump. She told him not to do that, and leashed our dog and took her to a trail that goes through the trees behind our apartment complex that’s decently far from the dog park. While she was on the trail letting the dog sniff around, she noticed that the boy was following them, still with the ball pump. She pretended to get on her phone, and asked the boy something like “what’s your name? The police officer on the phone wants to know”. The boy got angry, and started running at them. My girlfriend put herself between him and our dog, and he jammed the basketball pump in her leg, and she kicked him, sending him tumbling down the hill by the path. She said that it was automatic but I don’t know if I believe that. The boy ended up spraining his wrist, and his parents called the police. My girlfriend was questioned, but not arrested. The parents want to press charges, and as much as my girlfriend insists that she thinks it will be fine, I just can’t get the idea of her being violent towards a minor out of my mind. I want kids someday, and I thought that I knew who I was dating. She injured a child, and I feel so gross that I’ve been dating someone like this. How does our relationship move forward? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
She reflexively kicked the kid who STABBED HER WITH A BLUNT NEEDLE MEANT TO INFLATE BALLS? Oh no, how very unhinged and violent and not at all self-preservatory
Jesus, for some reason I forgot there was a needle on those things and I was thinking like, the kid just like pushed the body of the pump into her and I was STILL ob the girlfriends side. The kid is actually super creepy This kid should NOT have been unsupervised. Following a stranger around, being weird toward the dog, and then charging and ASSAULTING them? Yeah no, I don’t blame the girlfriend 1 bit, and I’ll use give kids a LOT of leeway.
Right? And if the kids has been carrying it around, God knows what nasty little microbes are on that blunt needle. I hope she gets a tetanus shot and keeps an eye on it. Puncture wounds have the potential to get pretty gnarly.
Absolutely, and he was poking the dog with it? He was probably stabbing it into the ground & trees & grass at best, tetanus shot is Absolutely Necessary.
And she should dump OOP. He won't defend her worth shit.
Tbh he's already trying to make it sound like her defending herself (in a purely reflexive reaction - got stabbed in the leg, kicked attacker) is some kind of red flag for her being a secretly violent psychopath & he's so heartsick & morally conflicted about staying with someone who "could hurt a child" 🥺 poor OOP, his delicate sensibilities cannot withstand ancient reflexes like "Ouch, thing hurt, get thing off!"
I put a knitting needle (\~4mm dia.) through my hand once. It SUCKED. I can't imagine a ball pump needle! That's so dull; it makes me nauseous thinking about it.
sock dpn in the bottom of my foot once, had it been a child stabbing, I would've kicked for sure!
If EVER there were a time to yeet a kid, this is it.
I hope she yeets OOP too tbh
Yup. But she should get to keep the dog.
I need OOP's email address or messenger name so I can send him links to all the true crime videos where children murdered their parents or other adults or other children. That 8 yo maybe has the makings of a serial killer. /s
A very petty, hidden, shameful piece of my heart ,(thankfully it's also very tiny and rarely exposed) wishes I could have seen the little shithead rolling down that hill. 😝😝 I'm glad we don't utilize that piece often. I'm willing, also, to give kids benefit of the doubt quite often, but this one sounds very... troubled??
Yeah this kid needs some psychological help
Lmao. I would love to see the kid rolling down the hill and would enjoy laughing. That part of my heart is probably not hidden or shamed enough. But geez, that’s some deserved karma.
Yeah this is more an entitled people for the child and the parents (who were… where exactly as their child followed a dog into a dog park and then a stranger into a forested trail)?!
Good point! Imagine if she had been a truly violent person, what awful thing could have happened after he ATTACKED her with the bike pump. Why does this child think it's ok not only to follow strangers into secluded areas but also to attack people? Do we not teach Stranger Danger anymore?
Some parents would rather their kids feel like they’re absolutely invincible and so perfect the world owes them everything, they don’t even think about other things that could happen that their kid would have zero preparation for Or he’s a little sociopath himself 🤷🏻♀️
That kid is unhinged.
The kid was also relentless too!
Seriously, he sounded like a terminator!
Also an 8 year old boy can easily be approaching the size of a petite adult woman, if not already taller and stronger. I am a woman and a tall one, but I was already as tall as my nana and some of my aunts at that age, obviously children hit their growth points at different stages but it is entirely possible that there wasn't as big a discrepancy in the physical size of them to make the boy not a very real physical threat without the ball pump. Also if he punctured her and pumped air in? Hello potential air embolism.
>Also if he punctured her and pumped air in? Hello potential air embolism. My first thought exactly! This fuckwit is completely ignoring the fact that this child could have potentially *killed* his girlfriend!
I'm a short woman myself, and my bosses children started getting taller than me around age 11. Some children grow tall really young, but most 8 yo's aren't likely as tall as an adult just yet. Doesn't mean they aren't close and potentially as strong.
Yeah kids hit growth spurts at different times, and I am an outlier in terms of height, I was already 6 foot before I turned 12. But its not that unusual for a woman to be around 5 foot or even shorter. I know some very tiny, petite ladies. One of my friends is not even that short, with a very tall husband, and her 9 year old is her height. Not saying it's the case in this instance, but this isn't necessarily some itty bitty kid, vs a she beast like me. I've known some big beefy 8 year old boys that would be pretty scary to have run at you alone on a path with a blunt needle and air pump. Just the shock of it would throw you, and trying to protect your dog as well.
Exactly. My youngest is a little older but he’s built, plays defensive tackle and is strong enough to lift me (his mom) up. That kid could absolutely have been a physical threat to OP’s GF.
>Also an 8 year old boy can easily be approaching the size of a petite adult woman, if not already taller and stronger yeah no lmao, don't exaggerate.
As a teacher, who sees lots of different kids, I can tell you it's not common but there are some big 8 year olds. But that doesn't matter. We also have to consider that the kid had what amounted to a weapon. When anyone, no matter the size, gets aggressive the only way to defend yourself is to physically force them off you. Those of us with training know how to safely use proportional force, but I doubt GF had that training. NOBODY should be expected to allow any one or any thing to just harm them. BTW, why was a kid that young with such obvious self-regulation problems out unsupervised?
I also work with kids, that's exactly why I'm saying it's an exaggeration. Of course it can happen but like it's super rare that an 8 y.o. would be taller than a "petit woman" (which i am). I'm not discussing the attitude of the kid. I'm just saying that the point about the size of the kids is an exaggeration.
Mate read the word approaching, I am saying it is possible that this wasn't a scrawny little kid, some 8 year olds are quite big, some adult women are very small. was taller then some of my aunts at that age, I was 6 foot before 12, girls on average have growth spurts earlier, but I've known some tall 8 year old boys too. Did you read the nuance in the comment? Or nah just leaping to wave it away? Given that we don't know the size of either the kid or the woman this could have been a situation where the physical risk was quite high. Also even at over 6 foot, even if he was little I would have cunt punted that little shit too. No ones coming at me or my dog with a blunt needle and air pump without feeling my displeasure.
I have kids. Yes, they can be. Not all of them, and not a majority of them. But they can be. There are teachers at my daughter's elementary who are smaller than most of the 5th and 6th graders and several of the younger kids. I have big kids and my ex-partner had kids with pituitary dwarfism, five kids between us. My son was 5'0.5" and 107 lbs at eight y/o, while her son, who was ten days older than mine, was barely 4'2" and 61 lbs. \[I saw your comment and literally went back to check the box of the kid checkup stickers lol\]. My son is now 15, 5'11", and 210. My 11F is 5'2" 120. ETA: Big ups to the people downvoting the size of my kids (?) Or the people who don't like the fact that some kids are huge? Anyways, good call on the downvoting on that.
Let’s not forget if oxygen gets in your bloodstream it can be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. If that kid decided to start pumping (if it was deep enough) OOPs girlfriend could have her life endangered
I know. How dare she!
Yeah this doesn’t belong here. I’d’ve done the same.
>I just can’t get the idea of her being violent towards a minor out of my mind. And I'm willing to bet that she can't get the idea of her boyfriend saying "You should just sit and take being hit by a random person or having your dog get hurt by said person" out of her mind. The kid was 8 years old which is MORE than old enough to understand "no means no" and that hurting random people is NOT okay.
I’m also willing to bet that, had GF just let the kid assault her and the dog, OOP would be making a post about how he can’t look at her the same because she didn’t defend the dog.
More than old enough and more than big enough to do some proper damage against a small woman! There’s a nine year old in school with my youngest and he’s bigger than me! If he came hurtling towards me with a bike pump you can be sure he’s getting put on his arse before he can hurt me or my dog!
I was training to be a teacher with kids around that age, one of them hurt me so badly that I had to be off for three weeks (it wasn't intentional but shows how much damage kids that age can do)
I hope you have made a full recovery.
Yeah, it was a couple of years ago and wasn't too serious in the end the main thing was that I really hurt my back
I used to work at a behavioral facility for kids and my worst injuries came from working in the little (ages 5-10) boy's dorm. One time, a 10 year old boy bit my hand hard enough that he came off the ground when I tried to pull away. My immediate reaction after jumping away when he just bit down harder was just panic to GET HIM OFF. So completely by reflex, I straight up stiff armed and hit him in the face. I felt so bad afterward, but he broke skin and it hurt like hell.
Yeah, the injuries I got were in an autism unit. Special needs kids can be wonderful and so sweet but it can quickly turn into a nightmare
Yeah, it was the most fulfilling job I've ever had, seeing these kids learn and improve and get discharged. I worked there for about 2 years, but I physically couldn't handle it anymore after getting 2 concussions within a month. My husband worked there until he tore his shoulder and needed surgery. It was intense.
I've seen similar in a special needs school. (Day school, for kids with higher needs, including behavioural issues). A teacher got violently assaulted right in front of me. Punched, kicked, bitten and headbutted. Black eye, bust lip and broken glasses. Had to run for help. Kid was 10, same height as the teacher he attacked and she was taller than me. Due to the way our system works, as supply, I'm not allowed to intervene, beyond defending myself, or i would lose my ability to work in education(just in case people wonder why I went for help instead of helping). It was a scary situation and I left and refuse to go back. I tell any new agency I register with I will not go to that school. I absolutely do not blame you or OPs gf for the reaction. Self.defence is necessary with some children.
The place I was at was woefully understaffed. We had more than 1 straight-up riot while I was there. Just getting through a single 10 hour shift without having to call for the program support staff (mostly male staff that wasn't assigned to a dorm and just went around putting out fires) was considered a rarity. My husband and I were both there for 2 years and in that time my glasses were broken 5 times, I'd been scratched in the face, my arms are covered in scars from fingernails and teeth, I sprained my knee, had a finger dislocated, and got 2 concussions (that I know of, I didn't always get checked out when I should have) within a month of each other. My husband didn't get hurt as much but he had at least 1 concussion and tore his shoulder, which required surgery, during one of the riots.
When he said kicked a kid in my head it was a toddler. When I read “8 year old with a ball pump” I immediately thought Dennis the menace She was attacked, the kid was told multiple times to leave her and their dog alone. She even tried to put distance between them and she was followed. Also the “I want kids someday” Lmao be serious don’t raise your kids to be asshats and I think you’ll be fine. She didn’t attack him unprovoked. Someone came at her, sounds like STABBED her with something and she kicked them off her. I’d be pissed if I was her but I’d really want to know what he wanted me to do in this situation? Let a kid assault me?
A kid not old enough to understand “no means no” isn’t old enough to be outside alone. But, then, a 3 year old is old enough to understand, and even cooperate with it most of the time.
My pet lizards could understand “no.” Sometimes it took a lot of repetition to learn the concept and it might require a couple attempts if they thought there was yummy food involved lol (“no don’t bite my painted nails even though they look like delicious berries, I promise they are not!” but they were Very Skeptical lol) but they all got it. I’ve seen videos of people putting tasty worms in front of trained lizards and saying “no” and they sit and wait to eat it until the person says “okay go ahead.” So I’m pretty sure this kid understood that what he was doing was wrong, especially as evidenced by his freaking out and dramatically escalating when she pretended to call the police. There’s something wrong with this kid and it gives me the creeps.
My sister trained her food-motivated dog to sit still and balance a greenie stick on her snout. This is the dog who remembered getting a treat from my pants pocket after a walk, and several days later reminded me to hand out treats by pressing her nose against my ‘treat pocket.’ *I pulled out treats, put them in my pocket for safekeeping while I sealed and put away the treat bag. I didn’t want to tempt the dogs to do bad behavior by placing them on the table.
My foodie pup LOVED doing the treat-on-the-nose trick! Mostly because it meant he got to eat a whole one all at once instead of the normal pieces lol. He got so good at balancing that eventually we were able to stack the little disc-shaped training treats up 5 high on his nose. When we gave him the ok he’d toss them all up in the air and catch them on the way down like popcorn toss 😂
Oh wow!
Also, where the heck were the parents? This is completely their fault.
Pressing charges, of course. Their baby would *never* do something like what he’s been accused off! Ugh. This type of parent is the fucking worst.
What is with this generation and raising a bunch of brats???
Nah, this is straight up 90s-style Permissive Parenting. Not Gentle/Authoritative Parenting.
And the way OOP is talking, he's carry on that permissive parenting. His girlfiend needs to run for the hills.
Agreed. The only kid I know like this has parents who are very much the “here’s my credit card, don’t come home until dark” type.
Like, getting down on my 4yo's level and explaining in simple language why his behavior is inappropriate and guiding him through emotionally regulating himself while keeping myself sane is HARD. It takes fucking work to be a good parent, and it irks when when Boomers bust in like the Kool-aid Man and blame proven outcomes of Permissive or Authoritarian parenting on not being abusive or neglectful.
90's parenting? Is this an example of what you mean? https://theeverymom.com/90s-parenting-styles/ Because I fail to see how limiting screen time and encouraging more face-to-face interactions is somehow a problem.
Better he learn now then when he's older and peoplare getting hurt more from him. He's almost old enough to go to juvie for assault too.
I would be willing to bet that she isn’t the first person he has attacked. Following her around for what sounds like more than a few minutes is really worrying behavior. Him potentially wanting to hurt both her and the dog after being told no screams serial killer in the making. I’m not saying he necessarily will be or will keep being violent, but it does sound like the backstory in a true crime documentary. The fact that he felt comfortable attacking an adult makes me think something is seriously wrong with this kid. I hope his parents take him to see a psychiatrist, but considering their defense of him they probably won’t. Maybe the kid is really good at manipulating his parents and has twisted the situation because most parents would probably have told the kid that they asked for it since they attacked someone.
Dump him. Hoping the girlfriend I reading this m
TBH i hate the idea that if someone is a minor you cant defend yourself or that people will be mad about it. like i dont care how old you are if you try to stab me im not holding back, im gonna do the fastest thing to get me out of that situation wether that be pushing, punching or kicking. remember hearing a story about a dad attacking some kids that surrounded him (dont remember the exact story or if they had weapons) and remember some people on reddit being mad at the dad and using the excuse of the kids being minors. If kids or minors know that ''you wont go hard on them'' cause they are minors then that removes fear to a certain extent, of course not every minor is gonna go around attacking people, but those that do desserve to get their ass kicked so hard they start tasting their own shit. OOP is the type to hear a story about how someone was fucking with and attacking a bear, got mauled and OOP would then proceed to blame the bear.
So the parents were there to call the police and try to press charges but did nothing when their kid was following her around and hitting her with the ball pump? Which why was he even carrying that around? How convenient. I loathe those parents that totally ignore their kids until they get a chance to play mama/papa bear and get violent in a way that they can justify to other people. They just want excuses to fight. I hope they are told to get bent and keep their kid under control.
Seriously! One of my kids is this age, and he (unlike the other kids) is absolutely not mature enough to be trusted to run around far out of my sight in a public place. So I don't let him do that!
Those people don’t deserve to be parents
Sadly it seems like it's almost always the people who deserve to be parents the LEAST who end up having piles of kids.
My assumption was kid went home crying to parents and they knew who she was from seeing her around. Either way, terrible parenting but so many just let their brats do whatever they want.
One of my friend's daughters is a teacher and I've been in the teachers sub before - so many parents now make no effort whatsoever towards discipline or teaching their kids to behave, the kids do absolutely anything they want, to and beyond the point of violence, and their parents will throw a fit if someone so much as raises their voice at the kids. They can turn in no work at all and do nothing but watch videos on their phone in school and still pass because teachers aren't allowed to fail them, suspensions are rarely given and even more rarely stick for even the most out of control behavior...it's totally insane, and then those parents act shocked when their kids end up as jobless bums who never move out and end up in prison.
I believe all of that, I just have also seen kids by themselves with no parent in sight bullying smaller kids too. So that's why I thought that because usually a crap parent would have started a scene or something but he didn't give us enough details
Seriously, no wonder the kids don't care. They do something to hurt people and suddenly their parents care a lot about them.
I can totally see that being why they act out so much at school and get so violent. Their parents don't know they exist until they're being called in to school about their kid beating someone or biting a teacher or something, and suddenly their parent is defending them and cuddling them and insisting that they're a perfect angel and how dare anyone accuse them of anything - it's probably the only times at all their parents praise them or acknowledge that they exist.
The kid literally stabbed her in the leg and he expects her to ... what? Take it?
For real.. and he's more concerned about this little brat's wrist sprain. Sprains suck but puncture wounds are way more serious!
It’s literally a basic reflex to kick when your leg is hit. Doctors test it! Dude expects her to fight her most basic instinct.
Too many people think you should never touch a child, just talk to them and explain what they did wrong. F that, I say. Sometimes, brats learn more via action.
I mean, that works with your own kid, but a strange, extremely volatile kid will never just accept your authority. People who think they will are delusional
Getting physical with the child here was necessary because he was physically attacking them, but you should not get physical with children to teach them a lesson. That’s abuse, and it can *cause* behaviour like this. The kid needs therapy, not to be physically harmed.
The kid was stalking her, was physically aggressive towards her, was physically violent towards the dog and yet her BF wanted her to just shrug her shoulders take it? Make it make sense
Yeah, I hope she dump that manchild. She deserves better than someone who will think only where he is going to put his sperm rather than his supposed lover wellbeing and their dog.
I hope she dumps him and takes the dog with her. He doesn’t deserve either of them.
That kid is going to become a dangerous scary man
As a dog owner, I would also have kicked the kid if it was me in this situation. WTF.
As a kid owner (lol, parent) of an 8 year old, I totally would have kicked him, too. Mine is slightly more than half my weight (65 lbs) and could do real damage with a weapon.
That’s the thing that gets me too! Most 8yo’s are plenty capable of doing real damage to someone, especially with a weapon. A lot of self defence movements are indeed reflexes that occur due to preservation instincts. I would have also kicked, probably reflexively, if someone ran at me with a weapon and began using it. Kid got what he fucking asked for. Frankly he got off light. Maybe this will teach him not to rush at and attack people for telling him no.
You are the kind of parent I like. Kids aren’t saints and they need direction. If my kid came home telling me this story I would call and apologize to the dog owner. But nowadays it’s always a lawsuit and absurd defensiveness about absolutely anything a kid does. Scary.
Honestly same. Kid was warned multiple times to stop and chose not to. At that point its fucked around and found out
Exactly!
I probably would have kicked him when he tried to poke my dog honestly.
Same. It's important for dogs to know that it's your job to defend them because the alternative is that it's their job to defend themselves, and that's a short path to a tragic ending. It's stupid and dangerous to let kids teach a dog that they'll hurt him. I'd much rather get in trouble for kicking a kid who won't stop fucking with my dog than risk winding up with a dog who thinks he needs to protect himself from kids. It's not like she kicked the kid out of irritation. They tried to just leave, and she asked the kid to stop. All in all a kick is a pretty mild version of FAFO in this scenario.
A kick, fall, and sprained wrist is a much better outcome than reconstructive surgery after a bite/bites to the face.
Omg my dachshund would have *mauled* that child if he was trying to get into his face.
Most dogs would go for the face if they were stabbed with a pump needle. Seriously, if this isn’t ragebait, this kid got of lightly.
I have a 100 lb border collie/husky and a chihuahua/ rat terrier thats about 20 lbs. The big one is a great big huggable teddy besr. The little one is always all big smiles and wagging tail. If someone charged at me and hurt me, theyd probably still be looking for pieces of that kid. Even the most loving, docile dogs are still decendants of apex predators and still have pack instincts. Seeing their Alpha (master or mistress) getting attacked can set off that pack instinct that can turn an otherwise sweet and huggable, well adjusted and trained dog back into a wolf just long enough to kill someone. They literally have no control over it.
I would have gotten the MFer as soon as he hurt my dog
If this is real, this kid needs therapy fast, because he's about one knife away from Rob Zombie Michael Myers.
I was just thinking this. The kid starts by abusing neighbourhood cats and dogs. He then murders a school bully in a violent outburst and finally brutally murders his mum's partner, his older sister and her boyfriend in a single night
Kids that hurt animals …. We all know the serial killers who started their resume that way.
Bet he's a bed wetter too.
The three signs of a child psychopath and future serial killer: 1. Tortures animals 2. Wets the bed 3. Sets fires I suspect he might fit the bill. It is absolutely not normal for an 8 year old kid to attack an adult. I worry for his siblings if he has any ETA: I am not saying bed wetting alone is a red flag. Lots of kids wet the bed. I did at that age. I am saying in combination with the other two factors
to be fair, i was a _hell_ of a pyromaniac at that age. in my defense, none of the fires i (very inappropriately!!) lit ever got out of my control, because luck. the unholy trifecta though? that’s a dangerous signal, as you point out
What made you stop lighting fires?
that’s a hell of a question i somehow hadn’t considered 🥲 i’ve been thinking about it for a couple of hours, and the best i can say is “growing up,” sad as it is. the combination of less unstructured time (due to after school job) and better opportunities to indulge when available (applying skill to bonfire/parties instead of random places in the woods) did most of the heavy lifting; a nasty second-degree burn caused by someone else was probably the final straw. which isn’t to say that i don’t still enjoy a good fire, now and then, i just usually keep them confined to designated fire pits (and/or our stove)
Interesting
These are also *very common* in traumatised children (which isn’t a coincidence- trauma often causes personality disorders and trauma is very common in the background of serial killers). Children being so violent at this age is a massive red flag to not only possibly developing mental health issues, but also that they were hurt in some way and need help
Good point
As a huge horror enthusiast, I approve of this comment.
Where were the parents while the boy eas harassing gf and dog?
I desperately hope this is all fake and just ragebait. “Oh, my girlfriend and dog were being harassed by this child with a BALL PUMP but I draw the line at kicking children in self-defense!”
I totally believe this story. I had a similar experience in my family when my youngest brother was 5 years old. My mother let him just wander around with a wrench (or maybe a hammer? I don’t remember now) threatening to smash our kneecaps. When I complained about this her response was that he was just a little boy and we were all bigger and he was just overwhelmed by everything. No attempt to stop him or take away the wrench… I was several years older than him (college age) but it was still upsetting.
I'm leaning that way, purely on the thought of an 8-yo carrying around a ball pump to play with on the playground. While there are different designs of ball pumps, I have yet to see any that I would consider "play worthy" (meaning a child would find it fun to play with) and if the kid was looking for a more "weapon worthy" item, there are plenty they could find in a household that would be more convenient to carry around.
Kids are weird, though. My kids would carry around the strangest things. I remember a couple weeks my older one carried around a screwdriver he'd found (wasn't ours, so he found it around the new house).
Hey, my brother carried around a wrench and threatened to break our kneecaps.
Oh, I do know how weird kids can be. But there's always a sort of logic behind the choices. I really don't see where any of that logic would be in not only choosing to play with a ball pump, but to take it outside around the park. Especially an 8-yo, which is around the time they start trying more to fit in and show how grown up they are, and less likely to do strange things like this.
8 year old psycho tries to harm dog multiple times, charges at woman and dog with sharp object, stabs woman with said sharp object, she defends herself and her partner dOeSnT kNoW iF hEr aNyMoRe 😂😂 next days post "wimp of a man let's feral child stab dog because 'hes just a child' "
More like wimp of a man let's child hurt/kill baby because hes just a child. This kid as all tried to harm a animal, stabbed the owner (an adult!!) He can totally has it in him to harm a baby if given a chance. Kids needs serious help before he ends up some crime show about killer kids/teens
I wouldn't have just kicked. I would have punted.
Thought experiment for OOP: if a 12 year old points a loaded gun at you, are you not allowed to disarm the 12 year old by force because He’S jUsT a MiNoR?
i googled a ball pump and those look fucking sharp is she okay? i think kicking the little fucker down a hill is a perfectly reasonable response to getting literally stabbed not to sound like a boomer but it’s kinda sad that i even find this post believable. kids these days smh… 👵
This kid is a serial killer in the making. Stalking, violence, not taking no for an answer at EIGHT. There's darkness in this child. I hope he gets help and his parents don't sweep this. But, for this bellend OOP?? She didn't just attack a random child 🤦🏾♀️ She instinctively acted in self defense after a deranged child behaved violently
Remember those two 8 yr olds that killed that 3 yr old in the UK?
They were 10 and the victim was 2
Oops, sorry. But there was the 8 yr old in Alabama that killed the one yr old in 2015
Yes, I do. I cannot believe they were ever let out. Turns my stomach.
Under different names, so no one is aware. That doesn’t seem smart to me.
I hadn't heard that. That's horrific! 😭
Oh they’re out now, with name changes. The murder of James Bulger
I'll look into it. TY. That poor baby and family
If you have a weak stomach then dont look into. It was horrible what they did to that poor child. I believe one of then since being released has kept his nose clean out of trouble while the other got sent back for have child-you-know-what. Think he many have also revealed his true identity at least once which ment he had to move from were he was living. At that's what I heard.
Hate to say this, but since 2020 this has become pretty typical behavior for a lot of kids that age. They lack the important socialization years of school and postschool activities. I often find they act closer to age 4ish with their extreme selfishness staying intact, well past the years it is was beneficial for a child's growth and development. Not condoning the actions at all btw. That kids a twat. I just found it's more common now than it was prepandemic for kids to act this way.
The pandemic might be part of it, but I think the larger impact has been from school and parenting trends the last decade or so. Kids see more online than was available to them even 10 years ago. And unless parents are knowledgeable and proactive in screening content, they are given access to a lot of content that is not age appropriate. I have to regularly explain to my 8-10 year old students why I will not be showing "Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey," in class. The usual response is "my mom let me watch it!" It's not unusual to hear Kindergarten kids talking about Five Nights at Freddy's or Squid Game either. They have access to this content, but they are not developmentally ready to process it. Then theres the lack of consequences. I see this regularly when I call home about behaviours. Parents either don't care, or get angry at me for bothering them. Even for things like "your 10 year old got in a fist fight today." I have one parent who even encourages it. All of my students went through the pandemic, with the exact same restrictions on their school and personal lives, but relatively few are violent or anti-social. Less mature, sure, and definitely lower academically. But not violent... that's a parenting issue.
All my neighborhood kids were out playing together.
Kids where "home" for a year. They still interacted, they still had playdates, they still had online interactions and interactions with their families. That did not cause this behaviour on some huge scale, epecially since it happened a LOT before as well. There was a shift in parenting, expectations, and societal interactions that began well before 2020 that you can say might be affecting it, but the most common link is parents in the home who lash out in anger and aren't teaching kids how to manage their emotions.
Nah, this is mainly on the parents kids have been acting like this since my daughter was small. She's 16 now and it's been going on for awhile. It's the parenting and the parents. Despite us millennials not wanting to admit it along with the gen xers we are fucking up on the parenting aspects with this whole "gentle parenting" method which is more often than not permissive and iPad parenting.
Really obvious bait but man I'd have kicked that kid too
Lol I'm all for being gentle with children but this little psycho was asking for it. I'd be buying my girl a beer or something, not adding to her stress.
Lmao, stupid brat was attacking a dog. He's lucky the living weapon didn't permanently scar him. Mostly thanks to the actions of gf here.
How dare she defend herself after being stabbed by a kid
I refuse to believe that this supposedly grown ass man is being serious. If this *did* actually happen then she had every right to fuck that kid's entire day up. He's lucky all she did was kick him away from her after he FKN STABBED HER WITH A BLUNT NEEDLE. I'd have chin checked that kid into next week and then demanded he get his mom so I could do the same to her for being such a shit parent to raise a kid who behaves like that. If this is real, I hope OP's girlfriend leaves his bitch ass, because if this isn't an acceptable scenario in which to defend one's self, then what the fuck is?
Kid stabbed her, but she's the problem for reacting to it. Okay.
He expects her to be okay with violence and to accept being hit/attacked. Even if it was just a kid doing it, his expectations that she shouldn't defend herself are extremely worrying.
The parents should be charged for negligence of watching their kid.
i hope she really hurt the kid.
I always love stumbling on one of these posts lie 5+ hours in and there isn't a single 'nother comment from OP You immediately know only one of two things is happening here: 1. OP got their ass cleared so hard they don't know which way is up anymore 2. It's ragebait
Okay but this kid got told no and it enraged him to much he stalked a woman, tried to hurt and dog and stabbed a woman. And his parents are mad AT HER. Parents always think they are doing their violent kids a favor when they cover from them but this story always ends the same way.
This kid stalked her to two different locations, harassed her dog multiple times, didn't listen to her many instances of "no" and then STABBED HER IN THE LEG. What was she supposed to do, let him? And of COURSE the parents are continuing to enable his stalking, harassment and violence. Of course they are.
I laughed at this image In my mind. Sorry kid or not, don’t try to stab me and you won’t get kicked
After hearing that story most people would think that kid is psycho and this dude is thinking she's not good mother material.
If he didn't understand anything gentler... if they don't learn respect, teach them fear.
So the old "carrot or stick" philosophy basically
Your relationship doesn’t move forward. You weren’t there and didn’t see what happened, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is that you don’t trust her. That’s a dealbreaker.
What matters is she learned he is the wrong guy for her and now they can part before bringing a child into this world. Yay!!!
Where the fuck were this kid's parents while he was doing all this?
Fuck that rotten piece of shit kid and his stupid parents.
Worthless fucking parents, Christ imagine that little shit all grown up...
If anything, this shows that in a scary situation she would stay calm and collects and put herself between the threat and a more vulnerable party. That instinct would have been the same protecting herself and a child. Excellent partner from the entitled dicks who let their child wander around attacking people and tormenting dogs with mental spikes but get very attentive when there might be the chance of exploiting money/s
Trashy ass parents letting their 8yo run feral with a weapon. Little shit deserves at least another kick.
Thank god I’m seeing all comments supporting the girlfriend. I was worried I’m a psycho because I thought I would have “This is Sparta”-ed that kids ass down the hill
She sound delightfully restrained and mature. The things I would do to anyone,any age, trying to hurt my dog includes way worse things. And zero remorse from me. Oh, and I would dump you for being a POS.
Yeah this isn't surprising. So many people with the mentality "you can't hit X kind of person because Y reason" that people are expected to not defend themselves.
Can I also mention that WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW BIG THE DOG IS HERE? The dog could have been a fucking yorkie and this kid was about to JAM A PUMP into this dog and could have LITERALLY KILLED THEM. Putting air into an opened wound is no joke-- there's a reason why doctors are incredibly careful about preventing bubbles in syringes. The GF is totally a hero. No question. Saved that dog. It sounds horrible, but genuinely some kids need to get kicked down a hill like that to learn a lesson, especially if the adults won't reprimand them. Some parents will not reprimand their 'little angels' even if they were legitimately stalking people. I can certainly tell you I would have some choice words for that child, at the very least.
So your are saying if a 16 yo child follows her into the woods, and rapes her, because you dont want her to protect herself ? That kid deserved that kick AND more ! Do you realize that having no respect for a life of an animal, is how most serial killers start out? Weeee this is fun... I killed that bird... Oh look a Rabbit, then a cat or dog or whatever for them to get a rush out of killing? I'm thinking maybe she should reevaluate the relationship - -
Ok.. I was prepared to think the girlfriend was a complete POS but she did literally nothing wrong. And I'm a mom. If one of my children ever acted that way and tried to hurt somebody like that, I would have 0 issues with that person defending themselves. That little kid has some serious issues and his parents need to worry about that instead of the person he stalked, harassed, and attacked defending herself.
especially since it was a kick after being stabbed in the leg.. of course she automatically kicked away at the painful stimulus
Soon as I saw the word ball pump, I thought the kid is going to try and put it somewhere on the dog so I would kick the kid too.
Hope the little asshole learned his lesson about *assaulting total strangers*. What a menace.
The bf is a weirdo.
That's not a child, that's a mini hooligan
The GF was correct and didn't do anything violent or criminal. It was self-preservation and hence, not her fault. What is wrong with the bf? He wrote out the post and yet he thought that the kid should have been given a free pass? First of all kids should be held accountable otherwise they will turn out to be insufferable. Secondly, he really should put off being a parent if he isn't going to parent because he perceives it as cruel. Children need discipline. Nobody needs to slap or physically or mentally abuse them but in this case, she has a knee jerk reaction to being stabbed. It wasn't contemplated or thought out, so she wasn't cruel. The OOP is just a careless person. What is scary is that the kid responded to violence by stabbing on hearing no. He is not only old enough to understand no is no but also to know that stabbing is painful. Furthermore, no crying, no tantrum which in itself is awfully bad, he decided to full fling stab her. What is he going to do when he grows older with more exposure of potential weapons? And he hears no? Because the parent are clearly victimising him, supporting him. What will happen in the future, when he hears no from a girlfriend? What will happen in the future when he grows up? Because let us face it, his parents will justify the child all the damn time. And he will learn nothing from this incident.
You're nuts. Break up and let her find someone better and sane
Some kids in my neighborhood nearly allowed their dog to attack me last spring. I was lucky that some people walked by and helped me. Sometimes kids are scary. Yeet the dangerous ones.
"She said that it was automatic but I don’t know if I believe that" What the fuck else would it be? Does he think she lured the little psycho to a specific hill just so she could kick him down it? Or that she specifically goaded him into going for her leg because that morning she decided she really wanted to kick a kid? Headbutt? No, too much. Shove? Too predictable. Kicking was the preferred choice, but it required a cunning and elaborate set-up!
Listen, I studied child care, I love working with kids, and have plenty of patience but if a kid tried to stab my dogs or me, they're getting yeeted.
It's a troll post. Edit: the exact same post has already been kicked off of r/Advice
OOP has posted the story in 2 forums and has made zero responses to the comments. I'm guessing it's fake news.
Sounds like another fake story.
Those parents suck. If a kids already acting like this before they’ve hit double digits, there’s something wrong going on- violence, especially towards animals, is a common thing for children around that age to express their trauma through, and it’s obviously fucked up and wrong and not okay I’m not justifying it but it's an obvious sign that kid needs help- because he’s either gone through something incredibly traumatic, he’s got deep set inherent mental health issues he needs immediate help with, or both- and it’s shitty parenting to just ignore it like that.
Self defense, OOP. Self defense. Look it up.
I'm banned in that sub for saying SA victims are entitled not to want to be around penis havers without being called phobic by the woke brigade. My answer would have been: You have the right to defend yourself. I don't care if it's a minor (some 8 year olds in my son's school were bigger than my ex). He's abused your pet and then aggressively ran towards your gf. And you're concerned that she defended herself? Are you joking? Is this a troll post?
is your first thought about an eight year old boy that he has a penis. like kids have barely started puberty at that age an eight year old girl would have been as deadly bc the kid had a weapon!
Try reading what I said again buttercup.
I have more of a problem with the girlfriend pretending to call the cops on a kid. That seems more over reactionary and would make me question her version of events. I can't think of a really good reason to threaten an 8 year old kid with cops.
I’ve done that before with a neurodivergent kid whose behavior was very out of line. Appealing to a potential authority (since the kid’s parents were not present) was a last-ditch effort at getting the child to fuck off without escalation.
How is that an over-reaction as she's being followed by someone with a potential weapon? Who else do you call? I know the Internet always makes it seem like cops burst in guns blazing, but they really don't. She "called" them to help with the situation and rightly so, that was a smart thing to do. Children will usually recognize the police as an authority.
It sounds like to me she got tied of the kid following them/taking too much interest in the dog. She pretend called police on the kid because she was unsure what else to do, and that triggered the kid. Most likely in a "if I am going to get in trouble I may as well earn it mindset." (Not uncommon in a lot of people.) Especially with what she told the kid "The police officer would like to know your name" can come off as threatening in a certain point of view. Punting the kid when she just had been stabbed isn't the worst reaction. Fight or flight is a legit automatic response. I'm not sure how she could have handled it better if she requested he leave her alone multiple times by that point. At the same time nither one of them handled this well.
How does OP think she should respond to an attack from a child? That kid wandering alone was trying to displace some frustration felt from treatment in his own home. That's sad.
This story is ridiculous and completely made up. So this kid is polite enough to ask to pet the dog but also follows them around. Is somehow scared of the dog, yet lunges towards the same dog. Also just attacks a woman out of nowhere for no reason.
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Well, first you realize that your GF did absolutely nothing wrong, or you get the hell out of her life so she can find someone sensible.
He's mad because his girlfriend defended herself against a kid who was harassing her and her dog and who stabbed her and the dog with the blunt needle of a bicycle pump. The kid is lucky all he has is a sprained wrist. He deserved worse. She's not going to hurt a kid for the sake of hurting a kid, but this was self-defense.
The parents should be the ones facing charges for letting their psycho son play with a ball pump. Imagine if this boy had gotten angry at another kid and decided to stab them in the eye with this thing?
I see this guy and his post, in the not-too-distant-future, being featured on r/AmItheEx.
Seems like he wants to dump her and is looking for an excuse.
How does this relationship move forward? by girlfriend dumping OOP's stupid rear end! This: *he stabbed the basketball pump in her leg, and she kicked him* OOP doesn't believe that girlfriend's reaction was automatic. Are you effing kidding me?? Somebody hits or stabs you in the leg, first thing you do is use your leg/foot to push them away from you. In other words, you kick them off you. so the 'minor' that OOP is so distressed about, stalked, attacked and injured OOP's girlfriend, and OOP doesn't care about that at all? He's not grossed out that a minor attacked his girlfriend and injured her? He's only grossed out that OOP defended herself?? smh
As someone who was quite a violent child for a time, I think her response seems reasonable. She protect herself and your dog and didn’t attack him. She kicked him in self defense after he had already attacked her with a weapon and had followed her around for quite a while. While having had anger issues growing up (because of undiagnosed autism and ADHD) I would have to be provoked and backed into a corner to do something like that. I certainly wouldn’t have followed someone around to create a situation. This kid seriously needs help, attacking someone because they told you no is very worrying behavior. The fact that he didn’t think twice about doing this to an adult makes me wonder who else he has attacked.