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[deleted]

Thats not a deer rub,but claw marks


Bobodoboboy

Guy called said his name was Bob something?-


Visible_Cod_9839

I think his last name is cat.


DeadEnd68

Oh Bob? Yeah I hear he's a pretty cool cat


Aggressive_Smile_944

Haha just got it.


Pudf

Jus lookin for a little tail.


flatlander70

Isn't everybody?


pm_me_your_bigcock

Was it “Bob WeHadABAby ItsABoy”?


[deleted]

Don’t want to ruin your bear juju but…..


OshetDeadagain

EDIT: see below. I'm a convert to the deer camp. Animals love to prove there are no absolutes. You can *see* the gap between paws, distinct claw marks and height. This is from a **bobcat**. Does no one have house/barn cats any more? Deer rubs do not typically present as straight up and down. As others have pointed out, the tree is too large for what the deer are after. The tips of the antlers are not this fine and sharp, would not be so close together yet evenly spaced, and the gap in the middle of the lines would be just bizarre. EDIT: u/julie_1111 Okay, I've spent way too much time looking at these photos. I think I've talked myself into being wrong. This tree looks far too large for what deer typically rub on. And since they rub all over, you don't generally see even lines like this and that gap in the middle. BUT! When I actually look at all the marks together, they form a pattern that I can't ignore. I think I see what's going on. This is a buck with a rack large enough for the outer tines to be on either side of the tree, but only just wider than the tree. He literally has no option but straight up and down, and the outer damage shows why. The outer tines are raking on the right side, the left is clear of the tree, just catching at the top when he tries to twist his head, which is why only the upper left has a few scratches and not the big rakes like the right. How wide do you estimate this tree to actually be?


julie_1111

It’s hard to tell from the photo but the way the leaves were moved around the tree made me picture it being done by a cat, because of the way my goddamn cats stand when they scratch low on my couch.


shatador

Buy a nice scratching post they said, your cat will go for that instead of the couch they said


MordoNRiggs

Yup. My cat almost never touches my couch. She just lays on them. I have a ton of sisal wrapped scratching posts and cat trees that she enjoys. She does a little on an old carpet that is all scraggly that we got for free. I think it's a texture and position thing.


shatador

My cat shredded my couch before I found a scratching post she likes. Now she only goes for the couch when she's ticked off at me haha. I do think texture and position/height makes a big difference


MordoNRiggs

Haha. Mine will only do it on the front edge of the recliner while I'm reclined. I haven't seen her do it in months. They also get extra aggressive and "asshole-ish" when they aren't stimulated properly. I litter the floor with toys, and I try to play with her. She loves strings and feathers, and she knows exactly what the laser pointer is. She smacks it when she wants me to use it.


shatador

Yep, I hate when people don't take the time to see how their pets operate. Especially cats, they're fascinating creatures.


kahootle

just buy a couch out of scratching post material


julie_1111

This is the way


Dichoctomy

Yup. Bobcat’s using the tree as a scratching post.


SugarFairyGotHigh

Agree…and it looks like it was hit more than once by one claiming the territory…or possibly multiple cats.


julie_1111

u/OshetDeadagain Yep this is what I think it is too, just went back out to look at it again. A buck big enough for the tree to fit between his antlers. There are light scratches on the left side and deeper on the right. The tree is 8-10 inches wide at this point and quickly narrows, I’m gonna go against tree stand guy even though I definitely don’t know shit about tree stands and say this tree is too small for one of those. It’s about five inches wide at the height it seems you’d hunt from.


updogg17584

My first thought was cat


vamtnhunter

Complete clueless. My god. Bobcats are TINY, especially compared to what you’re thinking. Their feet are smaller than a housecat’s.


OshetDeadagain

That will be your little secret.


vamtnhunter

It’s this- https://imgur.com/a/fHiqSrF


OshetDeadagain

Now I'm just confused. You think tree stand was set at ground level? Or you think someone who set it up mangled the tree only to less than 3 feet high? I'm not sure how many tree stands you've set up, but I've sure never damaged a tree that much doing so, and you don't touch the bottom of the tree at all... And in the interest of education, bobcat paws are on average twice the size of a house cats, my dude. Even a small one is 14 lbs, which puts it bigger than most domestic cats. A big one can weigh as much as 40 lbs, and at that size people often swear they must be larger as size can be deceiving. You're calling me clueless, but you sound like you've never even set foot in the woods, so maybe jumping straight to insults isn't your best look.


vamtnhunter

You’re not confused, just still clueless. Climbing stands make those marks when people are trying to get settled into them. Your bobcat info is also way off. I know, you found numbers on the internet, so they must be true. Use the internet to find video of climbing stands, you might even find out what I’m talking about. (I’m in a treestand (ladder type) as I type this, waiting to set out bobcat traps tomorrow evening)


vamtnhunter

Here, I will do your research for you- https://youtu.be/Tc9WOQlkwgI?si=yraOb2soP8IH5Xwe When a person who’s inexperienced or out of shape (or both) is getting settled into one of these from the ground, the metal teeth will slip and slide and make the marks in OP’s picture before they get their weight styled and make their way up the tree. And then a chorus of absolutely clueless morons will say it’s a bobcat. Or a bear. Or whatever the hell else their indoor-only imaginations come up with. The 5:30 mark is the part of the video you want to pay attention to. The guy using the climber in OP’s picture had a tough time getting settled into it. That’s what made the marks.


julie_1111

Respectfully, it’s not from a tree stand - the tree is too small for that.


Stella430

This tree looks like my furniture. And my bathroom doorframe. Because god forbid I pee alone


longhairedcountryboy

Tree is big for a deer to be doing it. Do you have mountain lions there?


IrritatedMegascops

Or bobcat?


julie_1111

Oh shit, yeah there are definitely bobcats


[deleted]

Probably what it was. Looks the same way my scratching posts for my cats do once they've worn down the rope covering a bit.


AlienAnchovies

That's what I was thinking, we have a ton of these in south tx. We don't really have mountain lions down here so...


extra-regular

Hey so you do really have mountain lions in south Texas(though not as many as in the western US). I don’t think this post is showing puma sign, but *you* might find some someday! [sauce](https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/species/mlion/): check out the first pdf for a distribution map I’ve spent a lot of time in central texas exploring the wilderness and going into any cave or cave-like land protuberance I can spot and I’ve only seen tracks once. My understanding is they’re extremely solitary creatures with large territories.


julie_1111

In theory, yes. Seems the marks are low for a big cat?


Acceptable-Drink9790

Not if it was doing a biiiiiig stretch. That’s what I’m picturing


longhairedcountryboy

In that case maybe the tree isn't as big as I thought. Bobcat? Lynx?


Pitiful-Cheetah-8006

Bobcat or mountain lion


CapitalistLion-Tamer

OP is in the lower peninsula. It’s not a mountain lion.


JustDodgedThat

No, it could be a wide buck with tall brow tines


Chaddywackpack

It may be a hyperbole, but it could be a wolverine


julie_1111

That would be cool


Shiny_Happy_Cylon

Last I checked michigan ran out of wolverines some time ago. So an unlikely culprit.


julie_1111

I think we’re fresh outta wolverines


gecko_echo

Perhaps some nice Wensleydale, then?


Valkyriemome

Are you peckish? Esuriant?


[deleted]

They’re not allowed for the next few weeks.


julie_1111

I do hope they come back


TabaxiMagnet

This is why you gotta get your wolverines in bulk. Consider a Sam's club membership.


Thiccaca

What? I just saw them play Penn State!


ChalupaBatman616

Should I call you Logan, Weapon X?


Thiccaca

I vote bobcat. Pretty common animal, and the height is right.


DruHoo

I find comedy in you asking *who* and not *what*. Like, WHO…DID this to this TREE!? But, because there’s two rows shredded vertically it definitely says large cat of some kind to me.


borealfaun

Bobcats and for that matter mountain lions more often, in my experience, choose scratching posts on horizontal or angled surfaces. They also have extremely sharp claws so their scratching posts can appear a little more subtle, though sometimes large pieces of bark flake off in certain tree species. It’s hard to see the details when I zoom in, but the inner bark looks like it may be frayed in both directions (material torn both upward and downward), which would narrow things down quite a lot. It also looks recent (made this year) due to the bright color, it hasn’t dried out fully and the inner tissue is still living.


julie_1111

It’s super fresh, walk these woods every day and it’s in the last week. The material is frayed going up and down for sure. I posted a comment with more photos. Interesting about wild cats! I def don’t think it’s a cat, the marks are too wide.


PacifistPineapple

Absolutely 100% a buck rub. This time of year when mating season comes to be causes them to scrape trees with their antlers as a means of spreading their scent, marking their territory, and intimidating other male deer into staying tf away from the buck’s territory. Could also be a large cat tho, not gonna discount that possibly.


_Bren10_

It’s was me. Sorry.


julie_1111

Rough nails, bud!


dvoigt412

I'm going with werewolf.


julie_1111

Only problem with that is that this is fresh and it’s a new moon


dvoigt412

Damn!


Automatic-Power5108

Deer rub imo


Tricanum

That's my take too. Whatever it is, the 'scratching' action on the tree goes in both an up and down direction which to my mind, eliminates anything doing that with claws. That leaves deer as the most likely culprit.


squeezemachine

Agree, A cat rocks back and forth opening and closing paws, does not swipe open claws repeated in the same grooves. And claws are a fraction of the size of deer tines. Somehow this deer got stuck in a rut(or its fake).


julie_1111

Bro if it’s fake then someone’s out in the woods fuckin’ with me and that’s my least favorite guess so far


altheasman

100% deer rub


Just_Classic4273

Same I think it’s a big buck. The scratches on the bark are perfect browtine width


total_alk

You can literally see the vertical, distinct claw marks. I'm not saying it is a bear, but it is something with claws and defiantly not a deer.


Parking-Artichoke823

It's a claw deer!


kscolfer

Look at these know-nothings, downvoting you. I'm pretty sure I see the same claw marks, but not clearly enough to guess who it was.


total_alk

I know. Look at picture 2. I've hunted deer my whole life. No deer makes 5 perfectly vertical lines in the bark. These people are idiots.


julie_1111

I see the same but also wondering if it might just be the grooves in the bark itself looking like that. I’m also looking at how the stringy bits are pulled up (that’s what it looks like to me) maybe seeming like it’s a deer going up and down rather than a cat (bear is extremely unlikely outside of my imagination) scratching claws down? What do you think?


ked_man

You ever seen deer antlers? Like how they have 4 or 5 sharp points on either side of their antlers? And have a penchant for rubbing those antlers on trees every fall? Draw a diagram on how a bear with multiple claws on each paw, could make these straight lines.


total_alk

I've watched literally 50 deer rub their antlers on trees over the years. They are all over the place. They don't go up and down in the same 5 grooves. Here is a good example. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMip\_OPb8QQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMip_OPb8QQ) You can't get picture 2 doing that.


Automatic-Power5108

I have trees on my property that look exactly like that right now and the deer on videos rubbing them making them. Saying it’s DEFINITELY not something it COULD be is wild


total_alk

Are you seeing picture 2? I feel like I am in the twilight zone here. There is just no way for deer to make distinct, separate, vertical marks like that. They rub their heads every which way. I'm not trying to be an ass. Maybe you got deer with different behavior. Idk. Edit. How about this? A bear comes along and leave the deep grooved scratches, then a deer comes along and fuzzes it up?


cezann3

>. There is just no way for deer to make distinct, separate, vertical marks like that. you're correct. It's a big cat doing both claws at the same time as they do. Probably bobcat


Automatic-Power5108

Just looks like a young buck was fired up on a big tree to me. MAYBE a bobcat. I would think a bear would be higher up the tree


drfunk425942

It's clearly two separate parts of the tree, something with claws made the long vertical scratches and then something else, probably a ballsy buck put the rub on what look like the other side. No way the same animal make all those marks.


cezann3

it's not a bear it's a cat cat stretches up and does both claws at once hence the two mirrored claw marks. This tree looks exactly like my furniture


dvoigt412

Perhaps a weredeer?


julie_1111

Oh yeah I forgot about those


Dbro1

Looks like the fibers of the inner bark have been pushed up. A cat would claw down.


That_Star_9414

My guess is Elk. This time of year is Elk Rut (mating), and they typically rub their antlers against trees and tear bark off. Unsure if it’s for dominance or what, just learned it in my class. Looks exactly like trees the professor had shown us


julie_1111

While elk do exist in Michigan, it’s extremely unlikely that they are around here. I live near flint, and I believe elk in the lower peninsula are in the northern counties.


Over-Ad-5244

sorry i was hungy


bigbabich

If you go looking for what did it, and find it, can I have your stuff?


julie_1111

More pictures of the tree: https://ibb.co/NZjKsM7 https://ibb.co/xLVmgNc https://ibb.co/PMHQLPd https://ibb.co/42z6Pdw https://ibb.co/F0YQvNr https://ibb.co/qJShVkv https://ibb.co/HGxXVYt


Factsimus_verdad

Deer rub. The two streaks look like antler tines.


JustDodgedThat

A big wide racked buck with tall brow tines


lrpaben

100% a deer rub. Unusually large tree, but it's rut and they get a little crazy this time of year. 2 main scratches from the brow tines, scratches on the sides from tines on the main beam.


SleepyLakeBear

I was leaning bobcat, but looking at it again, I would agree that it's a big buck. That makes much more sense with the pattern on the tree.


Jjrose362

There’s no way that’s a deer rub


Winter-Property-5805

It’s a deer 100%


[deleted]

thats a bear


julie_1111

That would really get my city Facebook group up in arms


OshetDeadagain

*Chauncey. "You may pet the tiny bear, but be careful!"


Winter-Property-5805

The 2 marks are brow tines


FlashyAd5966

Wendigo


Loud-Magician7708

Why was this down voted? For inaccuracy or fear of a cryptid? Explain yourselves, you cowards.


OshetDeadagain

Single word guesses with no explanations get the downvote!


Unusualnamer

No explanation needed for a wendigo.


cezann3

[ok](https://panelpicks.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/bprdkilling5.jpg)


ask-jeaves

Personally thought this was an animal tracking sub


ThrowawayFuckYourMom

It appears to be 2 distinct and equal marks. Claws, for sure, and I'm guessing feline. Bobcat, cougar, something. Could be a bear but I would almost be surprised at the behaviour, but far from impossible or unheard of. Real answer is always sasquatch


Orcacub

Buck rub. Brow tines in the bark, rest of antlers on either side of tree, straddling it -if you will. Big bucks like big trees.


tomk1968

Height wise my guess is bobcat. Young cougar maybe?


Thiccaca

Bobcat. No cougars that far east that I know of. Besides your mom.


DetroitAdjacent

There are cougars in Michigan. However, the DNR says that it isn't likely to be a breeding population. There are very occasional sightings in the lower peninsula, slightly more common in the upper peninsula.


Butwhoryou

Maybe Chuck Norris peed there.


jmaccity80

Fuckin' Chuck Norris.


rdiscipio1

Deer rub imho...


mudriverrat07020

It’s my mother in law, she thinks she’s a cougar. I’ll do my best to keep her in the yard


Minute_Structure8290

Definitely deer rub


Fresh_Discussion2810

Yogi


snailfriend777

bear marking its territory probably


RevenantCow8

Me


corhzza

2 men battling with swords(my best guess)


julie_1111

Maybe 2 men battling a climbing tree stand


Xhiorn

A lot of these getting posted across different subs but its a buck. This is the season you see it a lot. Cat too. They leave similar marks.


9patrickharris

Rudolph or one of his followers


muzzy88

Deer will most certainly do things similar to this when agitated. Inspect the marks close If appear uniform it could have been a whitetail. Bear, and cats could do this too


AlternativeQuiet2540

It was me, sorry.


Itachi-Ochiha

Leaning bob cat but I’m in southwestern Michigan and the DNR has posted cougar sightings throughout the woods and fields down here


PublicIndividual1238

Me. I did that. With my feet


Sauteed_Brain

Bobcat or bear


vamtnhunter

Jeeeezus, people on Reddit are clueless. A human did that. Those are the marks of a climbing treestand. See how perfectly spaced they are? And how giant and straight that tree is? Good lord, people. Why comment with such certainty if you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about? Here’s your culprit, OP- https://imgur.com/a/fHiqSrF The gashes on the tree are from the metal teeth sliding/sinking in. 5:30 of this video- https://youtu.be/Tc9WOQlkwgI?si=DOzTZuNoVjiFtoc_ When a person is getting settled into a climbing stand and they’re either out-of-shape or inexperienced, the metal teeth with slip and slide up/down the tree until they get their weight settled. That’s why the marks are at that height, and then basically disappear a few feet up.


julie_1111

If the tree is five inches wide ten feet off the ground, is this still your stance?


vamtnhunter

Well, it’s not. But yes. This is a case with only one suspect.


julie_1111

No it really is that wide. It’s 8 or 10 inches wide at the base! I didn’t measure diameter


julie_1111

u/vamtnhunter can I send you a pm with pictures of the tree that I took today?


MrJJL

Skinwalkers


SGS70

Considering it's Michigan, I'd first consider Bobcat or Lynx. There are some mountain lions (Cougar), but the height of the marks are low for even juvenile cougar (Besides, they're not as numerous since Ford dropped the Mercury line).


skidmarkVI

That's a goddamn Samsquanch.


GrimaceNerverDies

Sorry got hungry


akoAySi

Sabre tooth tiger.


solarspliff

Big ol' kitty cat At least a golden retriever sized kitty cat


ChadwicK-ed

Mike Hawk.


julie_1111

Yikes


randomdude5566

Mike Hunt


BoomerBrowne

Meow


nosidrah

Looks like Madison Cauthorn after a cocaine orgy with congressional Republicans


Serious-Ranger-1663

It wasn’t me.


Jaaldek1985

My wife looking for my MasterCard to order useless shit for the 4th time in a row this week.


Desperate_Scale5717

Me


Carltonvanpelt5

A small buck


Traditional_Phone606

Deer. Maybe front hoofs, at the top of the scratch there’s 2 distinct points at each scratch, so maybe cloved hoofs?


OshetDeadagain

That's not a thing...


Traditional_Phone606

Either that or the front prongs 😀


Alshankys57

Big cat


WNJohnnyM

A severely annoyed squirrel.


Equivalent_Delays_97

Haha! Now I’m chuckling at the thought of some coked-up squirrel zipping around the woods all agitated and full of pent-up energy. Poor little guy hasn’t slept for days.


Inevitable_Ad3254

Agree with Bobcat or big ol’ Tomcat. Hi, I live in Genesee county as well!


julie_1111

Hey neighbor! It’s a deer!


Shipmint

Cocaine BEAR


ConstructionLong2089

Bear or cat. Those are claws, not rubs. Depends what area ur in. Local wildlife varies.


julie_1111

Yeah I’m outside of flint, MI - it’s not a bear


tjswan13

Not who? But what?


lickmybrian

Seems too low for a bear or lion ... Bob's the word?


ll_cOfFeEbUzZ_lP

Richard did it. He’s a dick.


yachtzee21

Wild pig Edit - seems a bit to far north


julie_1111

Yeah I’m pretty sure too- no wild pigs here yet


8MinuteAbs

The antagonist from Balto.


mimosaholdtheoj

Hello fellow gen county friend!


ktkilly

Hello also!!! Im disturbed to learn we have bobcats just doing bobcat things running around


mimosaholdtheoj

Right!! Kinda cool but also a little scary since we like to hike in the woods by us!


vamtnhunter

You don’t. It’s a human. Which, by the way, are ten million times more dangerous than bobcats.


julie_1111

As a woman, I’m way more wary of an aggro man in the woods than a bobcat although I don’t trust either


marinesniper1996

feral kids


Brief-Pass1451

Looks like a sctratch post for a cat, probably goes by bob.


Careful-Self-457

Cougar, bear, bobcat, something with claws.


Separate_Clock_154

![gif](giphy|13fobizIygZw0E|downsized) 😄


ImTheOxyMoron

Whereabout was this found? I am near grand blanc and curious


julie_1111

I live a bit east of for-mar nature preserve !


ImTheOxyMoron

Wow, very close by me! Hoping it is not in fact a bobcat and my dog can be let out safely at night!


julie_1111

Hey neighbor, it’s just a deer! But, predators are definitely everywhere 😬


[deleted]

Frustrated Bigfoot. 😄


SleepingDragonSmiles

Balto trying to keep the trail


ItsUno999

![gif](giphy|3o6gDXT06eXwRCjKzC|downsized) When wild cats start getting too wild


Either-Gain-2736

Come on everyone knows Bigfoot did that! Ask me a harder question 🤣


courier11sec

Zoro's cousin, Randall.


ThatDidntJustHappen

That Russian girl that punches trees


julie_1111

Sad I didn’t get to watch


Mysterious_Regret_75

Sorry that was me my back was really itchy.


worksforallll

Bigfoot marking it's territory. You better watch out. Always carry a shotgun with the safety off for some quick draw action


Psych0matt

Hi Neighbor! Also genesee county here.


RepresentativeHuge79

That looks like a bobcat did that. Not wide enough to be a deer rub


Mediocre-Meringue-60

Deer thrash back and forth. Marks look kinda like “x’s”.


Dr--lector

Deer or a cougar maybe a bear


Zestyclose_Ad2224

You did


thedragonunder

That would be the Bobcat.


StrategyRebel17

Who? Did you think a person did this?


julie_1111

Came to an animal tracking sub ;) Just how I talk. But, there’s a guy here in the comments who is positive that it’s from a person so there’s that


Ok_Equivalent2653

Big foot


Patient-Display5248

This is from bob… not the builder


Scroll-ie

Dogman


navcom20

Oh deer!