Citation: (the father of Modern Psychology Sigmund Freud) https://www.health.com/oedipus-complex-7500028#:~:text=The%20Oedipus%20complex%20refers%20to,a%20rival%20for%20their%20affections.
There are many human urges that do not require biological evidence or strict scientific methodology. We just take them as the way things are. For example, who needs to prove that humans need sleep? Also, the urge doesn't need to apply to ALL human for it to be valid. Like kinks, to each his own, but they are ALL valid biological urges.
very easy to prove that humans need sleep : when you stop people from sleeping, they go fucking mental
if you want to fuck your dad no one can stop you but please leave the rest of us out of it
You're the one who keeps replying LOL. Feel free to block this post. Also, your ego was fragile and easily hurt when you thought I implied (not what I meant) that you don't know who Freud is. If you want to prove your intellectual prowess, go somewhere else instead of picking a fight with me.
As any student of moder psychology will tell you. Any hypothesis needs empirical research so it can take as a fact. That is why psychology has been grated the title science. His hypothesis came out of his head and he never proved it. The reason he is named the father of modern psychology is because he inveted psychoanalysis and his theory of personality bot because of obsession with his mom.
Further more his theory is about straight people even if it was proven to be true it wouldn't support your narrative.
> The reason straight people forbid incest is due to biological mutation/retardation.
No, that is one of two reasons. The other reason is moral. It is unethical for a parent to have a relationship with their child. The reason is because you always have uequal power dynamics and consent issues. You could, however, technically have an ethical relationship with a sibling or a cousin, if you were both consenting adults around the same age.
> Oedipus' Complex is a real biological urge.
There is not evidence for this
> The Greek have this mentor system
That was for student teacher, not for incest
> Clearly this is human nature, so why fight it
Just because there are examples of a culture doing something, doesn't mean that it is human nature. For example, if I told you that the ancient Romans ate tons of ice cream all the time, that doesn't mean that eating ice cream is human nature or that we should be eating it all the time.
A better question to ask is, are there any incest relationships that are documented that are legitimately healthy for both parties involved? Regardless of gender, I think you'd struggle to find any.
Moreover. You'd be hard pressed to find a parental/child relationship where prior grooming isn't involved. A parent's primary job is to prepare their child to be independent and healthy, not to reproduce another partner for themselves. You can think about this all theoretically and come up with a scenario that might be fine for both parties. But realistically, it just doesn't work out that way.
When it comes to same sex sibling incest, is it wrong? I guess it depends on the people involved? I'm not into it, and most people aren't. Does that mean it's wrong? No, but is it right? In real life, do people benefit from this? I can't answer that.
Overall, incest isn't a requirement for a happy healthy life, and it seems it is more of an indication of a unhealthy psyche imo. I dont think societies would benefit from endorsing it as its not necessary and problematic.
No problem. Be careful about this subject irl though. As i touched on in my last comment, it is very easily tied in with paedophilia and for all the right reasons.
I personally think incest isn’t an okay thing to act on. Roleplaying an older partner or even having fantasies or experimenting with a sibling as a teenager is perfectly normal but acting on those fantasies and doing the said actions like having sex with your own brother or dad can damage the relationship forever. Not to mention if your mom finds out. Overall it’s not something I recommend doing because it can destroy families and cause extreme stress. Is it kinky/taboo and fun to fantasize about? Yes but it’s not something you want to willingly act on. It causes hardships like divorce, family drama, and not to mention the lack of being able to be open about the relationship. Keeping a relationship secret can affect people greatly. So because of that I don’t recommend.
I've actually thought a lot about this and, well... the best answer I could give is that it's a set instinct to NOT breed with your children regardless of gender.
Breeding requires opposite genders though. My father is a piece of ugly and abusive shit. BUT if he looked like David Beckham, I would gladly blow him. Of course this experiment could never happen for me because I could never change who he is or how he looks.
Like, no. Why. What. None of the things you describe (Greek, Afghan, etc) are incestual in nature and Oedipus is a cautionary tale, not reality.
That said I really couldn't give a shit if you fuck your cousin. I think it's weird but like, it's not even illegal in a lot of places where actual close family incest is illegal. I would be way more disgusted if you wanted to fuck a brother or dad.
You might have to keep this to a fantasy though, the repercussions might be too great for you if you try to make a move on him.
Sigmund smoked literal crack when he came up with that. He was bat shit insane and had no facts to back up his theories. It's wrong, full stop. Intelligent animals like whales and primates do not engage in incest either, even homosexual incest. Including our closest relatives like chimps and bonobos. It's wrong enough that evolution deemed it important enough to make us develop in a way that if things go correctly, we instinctually won't find people we are related to attractive.
I look up to my father sure, I love him he's my dad. The idea of my father in a sexual light is vomitous. The variety of men I find attractive is not really similar to my father either. Attraction to siblings/ parents means something didn't develop properly mentally. It's a symptom of you being unwell. The fact that evolution makes it important that family members shouldn't have the ability to be attracted to each other is significant, and you're missing this instinct for some reason. That's worrisome, and I'd seek a therapist to figure out why that's the case. I'd fear some grooming or abuse in the past that hindered mental development 😞
I had never heard that lol I don't think I will ever be either. I have 4 siblings and some absolute weirdo asked me about my parents sexual habits because I told them that I had a large family. I had never felt more uncomfortable in my life.
Didn't ask for a therapist but thanks. Are most people on this subreddit judgmental? Lol. Definitely not a safe space. Also, people who judge the hardest are trying to bury and deny some deep guilt and shame (from their own desires).
I answered the question that you asked. I wasn't judging. I recommended therapy because I think you would benefit if you're finding your father attractive. This is a literal evaluationary instinct that early human ancestors developed. The lack of it is an indication that something bad has happened that led to it not developing. Therapy would be beneficial.
>Oedipus Complex is a real biological urge citation fucking needed
Citation: (the father of Modern Psychology Sigmund Freud) https://www.health.com/oedipus-complex-7500028#:~:text=The%20Oedipus%20complex%20refers%20to,a%20rival%20for%20their%20affections.
yeah I know who Freud is. he never showed any biological evidence for his theory, and your own link there explains some of the problems with it.
There are many human urges that do not require biological evidence or strict scientific methodology. We just take them as the way things are. For example, who needs to prove that humans need sleep? Also, the urge doesn't need to apply to ALL human for it to be valid. Like kinks, to each his own, but they are ALL valid biological urges.
very easy to prove that humans need sleep : when you stop people from sleeping, they go fucking mental if you want to fuck your dad no one can stop you but please leave the rest of us out of it
You're the one who keeps replying LOL. Feel free to block this post. Also, your ego was fragile and easily hurt when you thought I implied (not what I meant) that you don't know who Freud is. If you want to prove your intellectual prowess, go somewhere else instead of picking a fight with me.
ohhhhh you want to fuck your *cousin* not your dad. oedipus and all the rest of it isn't really relevant in that case
From your link " many researchers have called the theory’s value into question. "
And many people believe the earth is flat. The theory doesn't need to convince 100% of the world for it to have merit.
And those people are wrong too.
As any student of moder psychology will tell you. Any hypothesis needs empirical research so it can take as a fact. That is why psychology has been grated the title science. His hypothesis came out of his head and he never proved it. The reason he is named the father of modern psychology is because he inveted psychoanalysis and his theory of personality bot because of obsession with his mom. Further more his theory is about straight people even if it was proven to be true it wouldn't support your narrative.
Quality troll post!
Also, no. Incest is not ok. Even for us.
No (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
Lmao
I’m gonna say no
Say more, give reasons
It still just seems wrong
Is that a product of societal brainwashing that we can overcome with our logic and intellect?
I don’t l know but I don’t really want to
bad
> The reason straight people forbid incest is due to biological mutation/retardation. No, that is one of two reasons. The other reason is moral. It is unethical for a parent to have a relationship with their child. The reason is because you always have uequal power dynamics and consent issues. You could, however, technically have an ethical relationship with a sibling or a cousin, if you were both consenting adults around the same age. > Oedipus' Complex is a real biological urge. There is not evidence for this > The Greek have this mentor system That was for student teacher, not for incest > Clearly this is human nature, so why fight it Just because there are examples of a culture doing something, doesn't mean that it is human nature. For example, if I told you that the ancient Romans ate tons of ice cream all the time, that doesn't mean that eating ice cream is human nature or that we should be eating it all the time.
The philosophical debate of what constitutes human nature is an interesting one
I assume you meant biological nature. Incest is not part of our biological nature.
A better question to ask is, are there any incest relationships that are documented that are legitimately healthy for both parties involved? Regardless of gender, I think you'd struggle to find any. Moreover. You'd be hard pressed to find a parental/child relationship where prior grooming isn't involved. A parent's primary job is to prepare their child to be independent and healthy, not to reproduce another partner for themselves. You can think about this all theoretically and come up with a scenario that might be fine for both parties. But realistically, it just doesn't work out that way. When it comes to same sex sibling incest, is it wrong? I guess it depends on the people involved? I'm not into it, and most people aren't. Does that mean it's wrong? No, but is it right? In real life, do people benefit from this? I can't answer that. Overall, incest isn't a requirement for a happy healthy life, and it seems it is more of an indication of a unhealthy psyche imo. I dont think societies would benefit from endorsing it as its not necessary and problematic.
Best response so far. Looking at it from different perspectives while staying objective and not judgmental.
No problem. Be careful about this subject irl though. As i touched on in my last comment, it is very easily tied in with paedophilia and for all the right reasons.
I personally think incest isn’t an okay thing to act on. Roleplaying an older partner or even having fantasies or experimenting with a sibling as a teenager is perfectly normal but acting on those fantasies and doing the said actions like having sex with your own brother or dad can damage the relationship forever. Not to mention if your mom finds out. Overall it’s not something I recommend doing because it can destroy families and cause extreme stress. Is it kinky/taboo and fun to fantasize about? Yes but it’s not something you want to willingly act on. It causes hardships like divorce, family drama, and not to mention the lack of being able to be open about the relationship. Keeping a relationship secret can affect people greatly. So because of that I don’t recommend.
Good answer thanks. Lots of good reasoning here!
I've actually thought a lot about this and, well... the best answer I could give is that it's a set instinct to NOT breed with your children regardless of gender.
Breeding requires opposite genders though. My father is a piece of ugly and abusive shit. BUT if he looked like David Beckham, I would gladly blow him. Of course this experiment could never happen for me because I could never change who he is or how he looks.
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Like, no. Why. What. None of the things you describe (Greek, Afghan, etc) are incestual in nature and Oedipus is a cautionary tale, not reality. That said I really couldn't give a shit if you fuck your cousin. I think it's weird but like, it's not even illegal in a lot of places where actual close family incest is illegal. I would be way more disgusted if you wanted to fuck a brother or dad. You might have to keep this to a fantasy though, the repercussions might be too great for you if you try to make a move on him.
Sigmund smoked literal crack when he came up with that. He was bat shit insane and had no facts to back up his theories. It's wrong, full stop. Intelligent animals like whales and primates do not engage in incest either, even homosexual incest. Including our closest relatives like chimps and bonobos. It's wrong enough that evolution deemed it important enough to make us develop in a way that if things go correctly, we instinctually won't find people we are related to attractive. I look up to my father sure, I love him he's my dad. The idea of my father in a sexual light is vomitous. The variety of men I find attractive is not really similar to my father either. Attraction to siblings/ parents means something didn't develop properly mentally. It's a symptom of you being unwell. The fact that evolution makes it important that family members shouldn't have the ability to be attracted to each other is significant, and you're missing this instinct for some reason. That's worrisome, and I'd seek a therapist to figure out why that's the case. I'd fear some grooming or abuse in the past that hindered mental development 😞
As they say you’re mature when you can think of your parents having sex and not throw up. I’m not that mature, and likely never will be
I had never heard that lol I don't think I will ever be either. I have 4 siblings and some absolute weirdo asked me about my parents sexual habits because I told them that I had a large family. I had never felt more uncomfortable in my life.
Didn't ask for a therapist but thanks. Are most people on this subreddit judgmental? Lol. Definitely not a safe space. Also, people who judge the hardest are trying to bury and deny some deep guilt and shame (from their own desires).
I answered the question that you asked. I wasn't judging. I recommended therapy because I think you would benefit if you're finding your father attractive. This is a literal evaluationary instinct that early human ancestors developed. The lack of it is an indication that something bad has happened that led to it not developing. Therapy would be beneficial.
I’d be ok only if I’m invited to a threesome with two identical twins 😁
What if you have an identical twin?
Nope, and I was joking
Dude the Greek thing and Bacha Bazi is literally pedophilia. It’s fucking sick
I'm with you.