I’m also generally not a very good consumer, I think most of the things we’re prompted to buy are unnecessary or a scam. I do take 3-4 international trips per year though, without paying much attention to budget, and a lot of people think that’s excessive so it’s really all relative based on priorities I guess.

Spend on experiences, not things. What does it mean without paying attention to budget, you will take first class flights, stay at 6 star hotels?

No not at all, more like a very normal Airbnb apartment but I’ll definitely pay more for a balcony and a great view. But that’s also a matter of preference, I just have no desire to be sequestered away in some opulent tower when I travel, I just want to be in a normal neighborhood where normal people live. For flights I usually pay for extra legroom in economy but business class is looking better and better these days.

I’m with you. I tend to be tight with my money on day to day items and expenses. However, when it come to travel, to creating memories, I’m all in. This is what brings me joy, and what I will joyfully remember for a lifetime. Be it the crisp church bells in the background, a lively festival in a rural town, or encounters with wildlife. I treasure them all. I do not treasure new albums, products and such.

Im 58 and had to medically retire so I’m on a fixed income, something I never planned for. In the past I have had the large luxury home in the upscale neighborhood, or the large 5 story townhouse again in the upscale neighborhood. I have had the fancy cars like Porsche, Jaguars, and BMW’s, and obviously the high paying jobs.I lost my job because of medical issues and because of the way our medical system is, the medical costs bankrupted me. Most all of the people I knew then quite communicating with me, I lost most everything. Then after a divorce from a very high maintenance ex he took most of what was left, and I didn’t care as long as he left. I had pretty much nothing left and believe it or not it was ok. Now I have a small 1 bedroom apartment I have rebuilt my life and I live alone which I love. I now have very real friends who have been here when I need them and I am there when I am needed. We communicate regularly. I have my Harley, which I could not have before because of my ex’s demands, I’m actually on my second Harley now, I can’t afford a car but I am quite happy with just my Harley. I have a few basic things and my big goofy dog and I am happy. A real happiness I have never had before. I have everything I “need” and some things that I want. I don’t have extra money so I rarely go out to dinners and such, but it’s ok. I am only responsible for myself and my big goofy dog 😛. His name is Finnegan btw and he is a 91 pound boxer who thinks he is a lap dog and sleeps cuddled up next to me with his head on my shoulder. I am back in school working on my graduate degree in gemology through GIA which I absolutely love. Gemstones was always something I had passion for and they have been my hobby for a long time. I could never take the time to do this because of my ex’s demands. I’m actually doing all the ground work getting ready to launch a business. All that said happiness is never measured by what you do or don’t have, things come and go. Happiness comes from deep inside.

Unfortunately I don’t think I can add pictures to this thread. My my first Harley was a Softail Slim that had been custom built from the ground up for a rock star. I had just happened to be at the dealership at just the right time. It was absolutely beautiful, unfortunately I crashed it last year when a driver cut into my lane and stopped.. I crashed into the rear end of her SUV. The bike was totaled and I got pretty banged up.. I git asked a bunch if I was going to get back in a bike.. my response was always … well duh… lololol. My second Harley is a Dyna Wide Glide that has a lot of custom work on it too… I absolutely love being on a bike. I ride year round too.. though I live in San Diego and ridding round is no big deal

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If it's what makes you happy then do it up. I don't think everyone lives the party lifestyle. I'm in the same boat with you, I own a few sets of clothes, don't buy fragrances etc. That being said whatever I don't put into savings gets spent on tools, it's just where my priorities are.

Same here! I don't need another air compressor, but this belt driven unit is so quiet...

I think there’s a difference between need and want. Yes, you don’t need a watch/many shoes/other things you listed, no one really “needs” those things. But at least for me, spending time to find a new shirt and putting together a look is also an experience. Wearing that new shirt for a night out and feeling cute and confident is also an experience. I guess it’s really just different mindsets.

>I guess it’s really just different mindsets. Yeah true. I think of clothes in terms of as long as they are clean and the cut fits, it is fine. The same guy in t-shirt and shorts and in a suit are equally attractive. I want to understand more about this putting together a look thing though. Maybe you could elaborate? Or if your boyfriend was always in t-shirt and jeans on informal occasions (boring dresser, but still suits up when required), would that annoy you?

My ex is actually like you. He wears the same sweater shirt and shoes all year round. Other things too, he lives a minimal life. It isn’t a big deal for me and definitely no where close to “annoying” lol. He’s super into travelling though, like he will look into exotic destinations I’ve never even heard of. Regarding “putting together a look”. That’s just something I get pleasure from. I wear suit at work too. But I try to make everything “me” like coordinating ties with socks, and mixing leather jacket with business wear etc. My general feeling is that, my ex is very focused on particular things (his career for example) and he doesn’t care so much about daily/small things. Keeping a routine is easy and efficient for him. Also his idea of experience is more vacation, travel etc. for me, everything can be an experience as long as I put time and energy into that. Between the two of us, he gets called “basic” a lot. I on the other hand have “stronger” and “louder” personality as everything about me is very “me” (not in a selfish way lol), but I also get distracted easily. again neither is better, just different mindsets.

I need a watch, but I have ADHD. Time management with ADHD requires having the easiest possible access to the time at every point in time. Phone is okay, but you can’t take a phone into the shower with you, and if I can’t get the time, I’ll spend 20 minutes in there without even realizing it. If I leave my phone somewhere that’s not next to me, I’ll have to find the phone or find something else that tells the time, which I won’t do. My brain says it’s not worth it, and I just don’t get the time, and then I waste a bunch of time or miss stuff. That’s why I have a clock in every room and a waterproof durable watch on my wrist at every point in time. Take it off only to clean it.

I'm very "high-frills", but having said that the "frills" aren't crucial for me - I'm (almost paradoxically) very low maintenance. As much as I like "nice" things and probably spend money in a way that OP may find frivolous, those things aren't requirements in my life - I also really enjoy simpler things too. I could have just as much of a special time with friends at a dive bar as I could in a high-end cocktail bar, or enjoy a backpacking holiday just as much as a luxury spa break.

>"nice" things and probably spend money in a way that OP may find frivolous What kinda things do you spend money on?

My vices are: Clothes, cars, guns, horses, furniture...

Which cars and guns?

You have some damn expensive hobbies!

Not the same poster but for my husband and I our biggest “splurge” was our cars recently. Both of us drive Teslas, although complimentary level 2 charging at work really makes it less a splurge these days than our old cars. Things we get use out of I don’t mind spending the money, so the cars, camping equipment, improvements to our home, running shoes, bicycles, etc.

>Things we get use out of I don’t mind spending the money, so the cars, camping equipment, improvements to our home, running shoes, bicycles, etc. I agree, things that are used are not wasted. I think a lot of subscription services people pay for and are not used as much to justify the cost. For cars and bicycles, I would buy second hand though, especially cars are known to depreciate in value once they leave the lot.

Good point, and we typically do buy lightly used for those things.

You just gotta get organize the subscriptions in your family XD I pay for Hulu. My dad buys Netflix. My brother buys HBO Max. And my sister buys Disney+. We all definitely use them though. Our family culture is kind of centered around tv shows and movies.

Dude, I am a frills kinda guy. I wear an expensive watch, drink coffee, dress well, and savor life’s little celebrations.

Pray tell, how often do you buy clothes, where do you buy them from? How do you savor life's little celebrations?

Often: maybe once a quarter. Where: I am 6’4 so tall store. How: I enjoy a picnic, use candles and eat dinner outside, use a tablecloth, just dress up for a date, pick flowers and make a centerpiece, get my nails done (yes w/color), take extra time with my appearance and grooming, go for a ride with husband in his car (convertible), go for a walk, tell my dogs “good morning”, speak to my husband with love and caring each day. Yeah!

>a ride with husband in his car (convertible), go for a walk, tell my dogs “good morning”, speak to my husband with love and caring each day <3

I’m super extra. I like good things that also last 👍🏻

What do you spend on? I have a messenger bag that's been with me for 15 years. It is in a good condition. My friend couldn't tell, but when I told him it was 15 years old, he was repulsed. So I am confused because I thought we were supposed to appreciate things that last.

Hmm at the moment I’m renovating an apartment so been doing research on lighting / furniture pieces.

I feel pretty no-frills, though it manifests differently than your description of yourself. I have, and use, more *thing*s, but within a limited range. And I don't have a lot of attachment. I feel like my marriage is an ongoing game of him bringing as much as he can into the house and me getting rid of as much as I can.

>I feel like my marriage is an ongoing game of him bringing as much as he can into the house and me getting rid of as much as I can. Does it lead to disagreements? Does he try to change you?

No, not really. We've had only a couple of disputes over this sort of thing over a few decades (like the 10 lb block of Parmesan cheese incident). In reality it's probably more that we appreciate each other balancing things out. As much as I roll my eyes at all the things he brings home, some of them are great. We also, as a couple, give each other a lot of latitude and try not to get worked up about little things. We definitely do not try to change each other.

>it's probably more that we appreciate each other balancing things out Sounds like a great partnership!

Only one pair of casual pants and casual T-shirt, no suits for special occasion, no layers, no winter jacket, ski pants or hiking boots, no athletic shells, legging or shirt, no bike shorts.. Do you just wear the same sweaty T-shirt and jeans all weekend? On vacation? Long flight? Don't hike or ski? It boggles the mind

I have suits from work. Ah yes, missed out the winter jacket. No skiing pants as I don't ski. Hiking boots I just use trainers. Hikes here are a couple of hours, maybe 5 hours at most. No athletic shells, no leggings, no bike shorts. >Do you just wear the same sweaty T-shirt and jeans all weekend? I don't go out much and I don't sweat much. Vacation and long flight would be the couple of t-shirts and jeans.

Unrelated to my first comment, but I completely agree with you about scented body wash are just different soap with different fragrance. I use the same unscented bar soap for skin, hair, body, hand, dishes, etc. Dish soap is only for really greasy pot and pans, or grease stains. Sodium fatty acid (soap) is sodium fatty acid. For mildly greasy stuff, no need to pay it several times more expensive and with so much unnecessary plastic container, just for it to come predisolved and with a bit of scent and coloured dye.

>I use the same unscented bar soap for skin, hair, body, hand, dishes, etc. I don't know if this is marketing-speak, but I read dermatologists say that bar soap is very harsh on skin and that liquid body wash is gentler. I don't use liquid body wash either because I started getting dry and itchy skin. I use shampoo though cos my hair gets too greasy without.

Some bar soap are a lot weaker than others, for instance, I actually to need to use a lot more old spice bar soap to reach the same degreasing power as say, dove for men. Bar soap is also easy to control how much I dissolve and use I find, more so than body wash

>Some bar soap are a lot weaker than others Just get fels naptha. Cleans the four key areas, and you can use it to degrease an engine. :)

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Lol none taken, no need for the sass

I'm similar, except I do splurge on things which I think will add value to my life. A nicer phone, nicer food, nicer clothes, etc... I subscribe to the idea that "cheap comes out expensive" so if you are constantly looking for the cheapest options you will also get the cheapest quality, and things may break much quicker and need to be replaced anyway. r/BuyItForLife is a helpful subreddit when I'm looking to purchase new things. I also believe that your life needs a certain amount of change and newness so that you don't stagnant and become too comfortable in the same situation. If you do the same thing every day you can get too comfortable with the status quo and this can cause illness.

>I subscribe to the idea that "cheap comes out expensive" so if you are constantly looking for the cheapest options you will also get the cheapest quality, and things may break much quicker and need to be replaced anyway. I think price and quality are not intrinsically linked. I have gone to thrift stores to buy quality 2nd hand items. My friend once complimented me on a shirt, then I told him it was from a cheap store and he expressed disgust. The shirt has been with me for more than 5 years now.

>I subscribe to the idea that "cheap comes out expensive" so if you are constantly looking for the cheapest options you will also get the cheapest quality, and things may break much quicker and need to be replaced anyway. True. Hence the adage "Buy once, cry once."

I’m not no-frills, but I don’t care about expensive clothes or watches, or expensive dinners. I like to drive a nice car and out home, although small, is updated with better quality appliances and furniture. We’re more comfortable though in shorts and tees at a dive beach bar or a local pub and our vacations, which we try to take as many as possible, are also low key and relaxing. We subscribe to Hello Fresh for some of our meals and also have Netflix and YouTube TV, Apple Music, Amazon Prime, Pandora, and Sirius radio in the cars. So now that I type this, I guess I AM kinda frills- just not obvious ones. Haha

I’m basic AF homebody. Most of my spare money goes to my hobbies which are art supplies (painter), plants and fish tank stuff. I don’t usually get the Jones and when I do I just remind myself that it’s more than 20 bucks and I am going bitch and moan about spending it for a few days after. As far as clothing goes, I do like to spend a little more on jackets. Otherwise they are all pretty much Target/Ross exclusives.

You'd beat me to 'the spartan award'. I like sodas, ear out frequently, we have similar clothing choices, but I like Squatch soap For body. And I'm on all the TV and entertainment aps. I bore easily, so entertainment is a must!

The last item of clothing I bought was a shirt from a charity shop about six months ago. My sports bag has 3 bottles - shampoo, soap, and moisturiser. I don't buy deodorant because I don't really need it (at least I don't *think* I do...?!) I don't have a smartphone. I don't have a car. I don't go on holiday. I don't have amazon prime/netflix/any streaming service. I like movies and I use a service that sends you DVDs (remember them?) by post. I listen to the same 10 CDs (remember them?) on a loop. 7 of them are Bach and another 2 are Handel. The only area I can think of where I've got frills is food. I love food and I buy a lot of it. And wine. And I love restaurants. I'm the most no-fills person I know, except for food where I'm basically all the frills.

>except for food where I'm basically all the frills love this!

I'm pretty anti-consumerist, my husband slightly less so. No piercings or tats for either of us, though 30 or 40years ago it was a different story. Haven't worn a watch since smartphones came along, and the only jewelry we wear are our wedding rings. Hubs very occasionally wears a wrist band. But we're old, and have everything we need and want.

>But we're old, and have everything we need and want. Love and each other <3

Most of my clothing is Patagonia, I don’t have to dress up for work, so joggers or shorts and a hoodie is work most days. My husband and I both wear 6 year old Garmin watches that still hold charge over a week even using the GPS for running most days. He mentioned getting an Apple Watch since everyone at his work has one. I asked him “do you think the Apple Watch will improve or take away from your daily life?”. I think that’s both our philosophy for spending money. I got a Tesla a couple years ago, since I have comp charging at work. Considering the price of gas it’s turned out to not really be a splurge but it is a car I drive 6/7 days minimum so I want something that’s fun to drive. Otherwise idk, I don’t think you’re really an outlier, but when you go out and see everyone else with their fancy stuff it makes you wonder

>I asked him “do you think the Apple Watch will improve or take away from your daily life?”. I think that’s both our philosophy for spending money. I like that spending is a conscious decision.

Wow, i want to be you. No Netflix???!!! I live in fantacy land and live vicariously through books, Netflix, redditt. I envy you tbh. What do u do in your spare time? I am so screwed i dont know what I would do if Kindle and Netflix are not around.

I don't have much spare time. But idk I surf a lot of web, play computer games, time just flies!

Aah yes, i never tried gaming. Maybe should try that. But otherwise no frills guy here as well. I am into bare necessities, spending money on expensive things is stressful for me. People go shopping to destress, for.me it's opposite. I don't mind spending money on food and books though.

I like nice things, and spend aggressively on the things I use most. High-end electronics, appliances, furniture, hobby gear. Writing this on a 13 pro max, which was undoubtedly a splurge. I’ve also been called a hobo-millionaire, because I tend to wear clothes until they have multiple holes in them. And my house is a tiny, old fixer-upper (that we’ve fixed up well). I prefer to shop at Aldi or Walmart (always generic). And I travel very low-budget, either jamming myself into coach or taking Greyhounds.

I dunno- in some ways I appreciate the finer things in life but in other ways I'm pretty no frills. I do spend my money on my hobbies and sadly some of them are rather expensive but its gotten to the point where Im "good enough" or have been at them long enough where its cheaper to buy the needed gear/equipment. welding, woodworking, photography, scuba diving, pottery, camping/backcountry gear and skiing gear, my personal library and my dogs are the big expense items I only go out 1-2 times a week and some weeks not at all and dont drink really anything beyond when I'm out with friends. But I am an extrovert and need that to be healthy mentally and feel fully myself etc. I havent drank soda in over a decade....just drink water at home. I dont spend any money on albums, subscriptions beyond only netflix/amazon. I do love watches though as I feel its one of the few things men can really have fun with as far as accessories go....and watches can be really interesting/unique. I also prefer to spend as much money traveling per year as I can afford to.

>welding, woodworking, photography, scuba diving, pottery, camping/backcountry gear and skiing gear, my personal library and my dogs Wow! Where do you find the time?

hahah sadly the last few years I really havent....grad school and full time job and all. I guess its all hobbies I got into in my teens and my early 20s and I've maintained and pursued them as much as I've been able to since getting into them until now at the age of 37. Just recently got more into the welding and woodworking and am setting up my own little workshop. A few of my hobbies combine really nicely so that helps as hiking/camping and traveling all work well with photograph and diving ;) Otherwise most I do after work/class and on the weekends or just before bed like I always set aside 20-30 minutes at bed time to read.

I’m almost at your level!

Being frugal is a virtue, but as your wealth increases, you may find skipping a $15 Netflix sub when you’re making 5-10k/month a little silly. Spend on what’s important to you, and don’t spend money on stuff that’s not. As my wealth has increased, I’ve loosened up. I want to be financially responsible, but I don’t want to end up as the financially secure person who lived austerely and never spends a dime even in old age. Essentially, IMO the frugality needs to be a means to an end, and not a lifestyle. And a free tasteless joke. “What’s classy when you’re rich and trashy when you’re poor?” Answer “Minimalism!”

I moved to a new house this year and radically downsized a lot of the "stuff" I owned. I basically Marie-Kondo'd everything: if it doesn't immediately spark joy, I toss it, even if part of me wants to "save it for later" or whatever. I'm much happier now. I also try not to buy any new physical items without some relatively extensive justification. If I see a book that I want, I check to see if it's available as an e-book/download/etc. and get that instead. I try to combine multiple uses for individual items (so instead of being tempted to get a quesadilla iron, I just use the nice stovetop pan that I've always had). Being intentional about purchases and stuff I wish to keep has profoundly decluttered my new house and improved my mood immeasurably. Having a clean house facilitates having a calm and clean mind.

>I also try not to buy any new physical items without some relatively extensive justification. I try to combine multiple uses for individual items (so instead of being tempted to get a quesadilla iron, I just use the nice stovetop pan that I've always had). I like this so much. I also do not like having too many physical items around

My lifestyle reads as pretty similar to yours. I don't enjoy travel and don't have an IG full of selfies in expensive places, I'm a good cook and eat out probably less than once a month, I have far fewer clothes than most people I know, I'm not fashionable, my car is pretty anonymous, etc. I think of it less as austerity, more as knowing myself. I have a good sense of what purchases are going to end up being forgotten in a month and which are going to make my life better, and I spend freely on the latter. My house, the cookware in my kitchen, my performing arts subscriptions, high quality ingredients for cooking, etc are all frills that I happily spend on because they're worthwhile.

> I have a good sense of what purchases are going to end up being forgotten in a month and which are going to make my life better Like this

I don't have a whole lot of superfluous wants, and I tend to buy things that are well made and will last longer than I will. I also tend to get things that are out of my budget by finding a broken/worn out one for sale and rebuilding them. I don't care about clothes particularly, but I'll pay $300 for a good set of hiking boots that will last eight years. I keep my computers until they can't handle basic tasks, then get a decently expensive replacement; it's about a 12 year cycle. Bought the cars/motorcycle in cash with an eye towards getting things that I can repair until parts cease to be available. That being said, I'll dump however much money into them as I need to in order to get them exactly the way I want them. (I actually just tracked down and bought a very specific old truck because it was the last model year you could still get with a standard transmission, and it's so simple and cheap to work on that I'll realistically probably just keep doing 400k-interval rebuilds on it for the rest of my life. So maybe $6k worth of parts every twenty years.) And I have a nice collection of antique high end skeet guns that I've gotten in worn but mechanically sound condition and restored. And most of my furniture are antique pieces I cherry picked from the estates of various relatives, because my family has impeccably bad taste and nobody else wanted them. Which was all around several hundred years before I was born, and will be doing just fine several hundred years after I'm dead. Don't give a crap about TV. Don't give a crap about cell phones. Basically, if I can get on the internet and write my books, have a truck that works well enough to be able to drive out and see the stars without light pollution, I have a dog to keep me company, and there's a sixer of beer or a bottle of wine in the refrigerator to relax out back, I'm good. That and sexy fetish fun-times. :)

Idk it doesn't sound very extreme to me, but then again I spent most of the last 10 years without a smartphone (finally caved in 2020) and for a couple years didn't have an internet connection either. That doesn't mean I wasn't connected to others tho, I had a very active social life and a lot of community involvement. I don't not have things out of being austere though, it's just I only want stuff if it's going to make me happier. Very happy to spend money on travel for instance.

I am also rather no frills, except... I love plants and beer. Neither is infringing upon my finances or work life, but I do splurge there.

Yeah i'm pretty much the same way. I'm pretty happy with very little. Except for coffee and beer. I need good coffee and nice beer in my life. Otherwise my maintenance cost is basically 0.

Through good luck and hard work (in that order) I've been able to do a Financially Independent Retire Early thing. My income isn't huge but i'm good at making it go a really long way. Things I spend on are my crazy house that I renovated from scratch - antiques, art, materials and decor - I do all this myself and only buy second hand items including appliances. Also my garden, my hobbies of pottery and sculpting in stone, four or five holidays a year including one big one, lots of books - food, wine and cooking is probably the most expensive overall but I live in France where this is the national religion. Things I really resent spending money on are cars, technology, vet bills and mortgages. No-one would accuse me of being no-frills, but I definitely don't do classic consumerist buy new things for the hell of it. People think I'm on the lavish side on a first visit but gradually realise just how much I make or source myself and what my priorities are. I love reading about other peoples lives, I might be wrong but I feel like gay people put more thought into this kind of thing, whatever it may be.

I want to be you! Or marry me please! <3

Let's do it! <3

Thank you for this post. I am glad to hear that you and other commenters find value in living a minimalist lifestyle. I am the same way, and it’s really difficult sometimes when others judge me for living minimally. But I’m financially stable, have what I need, and find contentment in simple pursuits (which some folks consider boring). I’m not dirty, unkempt, trashy, destitute … or whatever. I just don’t have all the “stuff” that others do. We’ve been so conditioned that we won’t be happy unless we endlessly spend money (think of how our economy is described in terms of consumer spending and corporate profit), or that our worth is measured by how much of and what types of stuff we have. I don’t begrudge folks for wanting nice or fancy things, but for me it’s not worth the financial stress. I like having financial discipline and the financial cushion that comes with it. The cool thing is that when I want to indulge myself or splurge on something as a treat, I can always do it. And if an emergency expense comes up, I can handle that as well. That’s comforting to me.

>The cool thing is that when I want to indulge myself or splurge on something as a treat, I can always do it. And if an emergency expense comes up, I can handle that as well. Yes, it's the luxury of choice and well-prepared for emergencies. It's just I come across as boring and idk, not sure if it should bother me.

I think it’s a matter of whether you genuinely feel inside that you are boring and want to change versus other people judging you as “boring” because of your material status — reflecting on whether your financial discipline is healthy and fills your bucket or is too frugal and stifles your life. It’s a balance like everything else. My simplicity lowers my stress, and for me that’s a good thing.

Not that dissimilar to you, although I do use fragrances and scented body washes. No watch, no jewellery, no brand name clothes, most of my clothes are cheap low end Kmart or chain store stuff, either black or camo. I want clothes that are comfortable, durable and dont show dirt. I drive a 22 year old car which I do most of my own maintenance on. I do have a luxury car as well but its over 40 years old. Have a low to midrange smartphone thats a couple of years old. I'll keep it until its unusable. Ditto my laptop which is a top end Sony I bought used, still going strong six years later. I use things until they wear out or I need something better (not want). I also have a bicycle which I use for all short trips under 10-20 km, thats only a year or two old, I'll keep it 10-15 years, or until it is no longer worth fixing. I subscribe to Deezer for music - thats one thing I couldnt live without, or at least would prefer not to. Partner has a Netflix subscription and Sky, shared with me and flatmate I rarely drink alcohol because I've seen what it can do. I do have a coffee at the start of a shift, but make my own, I dont do Starbucks etc unless I'm travelling. Make my own softdrinks with a Sodastream, that way I can control what goes in it (generally only tonic water though)

My nickname at work was "HM" - high maintenance. This was primarily in the context of travel, but to be fair describes most things in my orbit. Travel: plane type and seat availability factors into routing I select. Much of my travel is for longer periods and I'm a giant, so I check a bag. I have multiple lounge memberships so that I don't have to sit with gen-pop in the airport. If the hotel I'm at stocks only plastic cups in the room, I'll take a glass from the bar for water in my room. Circumstances must be exceptional for me to fly regular coach. My flight bag (man-purse, satchel, whatever) contains everything I might need if on a plane for more than eight hours (I do a lot of long haul). That's from the top of my head. My co-workers can probably add to the list...

That makes a lot of sense actually - if you fly a lot, lounge memberships are good investment. And if you are a giant, you're gonna need leg space especially for long haul flights and if the company is paying for it why not. Glass for water in your room, so you don't drink from the mini-fridge.

I have five pairs of skis and four bicycles. I suppose some people might consider them frills, but I consider them... investments in the present.

Do they all serve different purposes?

Bikes - Enduro, XC, road, gravel, snow (oops, that's five lol) Skis - resort, rock/powder AT, big backcountry objective AT, telemark touring/walking the dog, telemark resort skis (which I'm actually trying to sell so they probably don't count. So that's only four!)

Right there with you. Most stuff is just for showing off that a man has wealth as a symbol of masculinity. Car to get to work ¹½hrs away & two pants/5 shirts cuz they get mad when I'm NAKd, phone cuz ½ my social life is online, & veggies in my belly. What else do I need? I'm not anti-luxury, but I do insist people recognize luxury as luxury. A man doesn't "need" it, they want it, so own that fact.

you seem boring :/. what do you do? lol

It sounds like you're great at self discipline, but not a whole lot of fun

This may be true. I enjoy doing the same things, but maybe it's too much of a routine (?). What do you do for fun?

Same here across the board except I do have a few subscriptions for music and …things 😏 I’m a sucker for technology but I try to keep that in check. I don’t even understand why people wear cologne. Men naturally smell so much better without.

>I don’t even understand why people wear cologne. Men naturally smell so much better without. I agree, my ex said he liked my smell. But in an office work setting, having any smell comes across as unprofessional thus I have to use deodorant.

Similar vibe but not as extreme. I have more clothes than you do, and I share some subscriptions with friends via family plans. I hate cooking, so I eat a lot of snacks, fruits and nuts, prepared foods, etc. But I typically get it from the grocery store rather than a restaurant, to save costs.

I wear shirts with literal frills.

I’m a pretty no-frills/simple person. I don’t own a lot of clothes (I have two pairs of shorts that I wear lol), I have an Apple Watch but it was a gift from a friend because he got the newer gen at the time and just gave me his old one for my bday, drive 200k+ mile suv that was pretty cheap, I tend to do vacations kinda cheap (splitting rooms, not eating at fancy restaurants, camping, etc), so on and so forth. I do have subscriptions to stuff but I share some with other people. I’d say my biggest things I spend money on are mountain biking, camping, car/truck upgrades when I can, and lately fixing things around my house lol

I'm super boring. I work in forensics so I have scrubs I wear for days in the lab and polos and black pants for office days. I have a few suits for when I need to testify in court. I wear just t shirt and shorts most of the time and I hate wearing shoes. I could go bare foot everywhere if I was allowed. I don't really want to go anywhere, I hate summer and heat, I currently live in the southeast US but would love to move up north to somewhere cold and desolate, but not desolate enough where I can still have decent internet. I used to go hiking and do stuff but depression is hitting hard and I just don't anything anymore, lost a lot of friends because of it too.

>I work in forensics so I have scrubs I wear for days in the lab and polos and black pants for office days. That may be it. My first job required me to wear scrubs the whole time. I think I was conditioned by that job.

I like some frills. My partner and I spend a good amount of money on entertainment, dining, and travel, but other than that I’m a modest spender. I drive a well-maintained but basic older car, rarely buy new clothes, and tend to keep electronics for longer than most people I know. I just don’t see the point in “upgrading” things that are perfectly serviceable.

>I just don’t see the point in “upgrading” things that are perfectly serviceable. Me too. I recently bought a new smartphone after 5 years. My old one is still working fine. I am willing to spend money on experiences, but not so much on physical items.

I lived pretty minimally for much of my 20s and early 30s, at first because I was poor and later out of habit. Now I’m starting to indulge myself a little more. I buy the brands I want instead of the cheapest option, I have a nice new car, and I recently started collecting and wearing colognes after decades of avoiding them. All of it is “meaningless” next to my relationship, how I care for myself, and how I care for others - and I have nothing to prove to anyone or an image to uphold. I just want to explore as much of life as I can and be comfortable doing it.

>All of it is “meaningless” next to my relationship If your partner is no-frills, would you try to change them to fit your lifestyle?

Nope. If anything he’s the one who encouraged me to live a little more outside my lines… I never treated myself until I met him.

How did he encourage you?

I never flew first class until he found a sale on fares and convinced me to spend a little extra since it was a long flight. Same with my car - I used to buy the cheapest option, but he pointed out that if I’m going to spend hours in it driving, I might as well enjoy it and have the amenities to make it comfortable. Fragrance and clothing has been my own journey as my style evolved, but he’s supportive since neither habit will put us in debt.

I refuse to buy the $2,500 apex controller for my fish tank. But I also wear my construction work clothes when I go out. The only clothes I really buy are new jeans and socks, I don’t have a watch, I’ve had the same gross hat for 4 years, I don’t care about new trends. I probably spend too much and I for sure eat out too much, but it’s all on Shit I enjoy. I’ve no one to impress, my dog and partner like me just the way I am.

Same, I do like clothes though in that regard I consume more than you. Caffeine does have an effect on me so I drink sparingly so I can utilise it when needed. You forgot to mention furnitures/interior? I’m into design so I do consume in that regard too. You also left out hobbies and travel?

Furniture / interior, I currently rent furnished, but if I get my own place, I will most likely get Ikea stuff. At least that will be at the start. Hobbies, I play a lot of computer games. I do think experiences are worth spending on but will book economy rather than business class and 3/4 \* hotels rather than W Hotel.

I'm pretty no frills like you except I've got a few subscriptions and I do like coffee. I drink wine at home on Friday or Saturday and we get pizza once a week. But overall I like to keep things as simple as possible. My husband definitely likes a few more frills than I do, but to each his own.

No watches, no cologne, and I’m cooking at home unless I just really want something that pops into my head. Same plain clothes, same ugly car, it just doesn’t matter. Not only do I just not care about things like that, but it saves money.

Hard not to quote that Adam Ant song but with all this you’re not doing, what *do* you enjoy doing?

Reading through Reddit, watching stuff on youtube or free stuff online, playing computer games, dinner with friends, calling friends and catching up. I don't know how but there's never enough time!

I read all this and just picture my 80-something step-dad. He's happy in his simple life, but definetly has the old man vibe nailed. Same outfit everyday to go work out, comes home and eats the same kind of food, same schedule of tv watching and sports, etc. My mom is the opposite. She likes bright colors, travel, experiencing new things, and being very social and that often includes eating out. It's just a simple set of preferences, but I'd lean more towards living life a bit more.

True, I always thought of myself as an old soul!

Cool discussion but can’t related. Unsolicited and totally off topic, but my philosophy is “to challenge yourself” in the things you do. Like you don’t buy clothes, fine, but it also nice to look good. 1. I would love an expensive watch. Just one. Not a rolex but I can see myself purchasing a $3k watch tho. 2. I’ve got a iPhone. I regret buying android until 2019. I gained A quality of life improvement and it’s my daily everything. 3. I love skincare and body washes and a little bit of cologne. For skincarec sadly it’s a little bit irrationals spending for me. I don’t expect or encourage anyone to buy as much skincare as me. But a little bit of it goes a long way. We are not on our 30s forever. Wear Spf. 4. Expensive soap is a little bit of an indulgence for me. I am not very into cologne but The only cologne that ever did anything for me is $300 however. (I dony own a bottle however) 5. Clothes is tricky. I just ordered a dozen of white tees and they go with everything and not every expensive and make anyone look fantastic. But I also like to buy C, I like merino and cashmere. I think everyone deserves to dress well. 6. Admittedly, in my household we subscribed to too many services. Family YouTube-premium plan is worth it. I hate ads. 7. I like going out and having an occasional drink. I’ve got a kinda reversed “logic”, everything is getting more expense and harder to source. I want to enjoy tansy foods like sushi, because maybe at one point this would be something out of my reach. Same with food; “as god as my witness, I’ll never go hungry again” 8. It’s my second weeks of a meal delivery service, 3 weeks in and my body already looks and feels fantastic. Again, I’ve spend a little too much last year on clothes and got that out of my system.

>I’ve got a iPhone. I regret buying android until 2019. I gained A quality of life improvement and it’s my daily everything. I have both. I seem them as similar. The thing with iPhone if you want the quality of life improvement, you need the entire ecosystem that goes with it. ​ >Family YouTube-premium plan is worth it. I hate ads. Get an adblocker ​ >It’s my second weeks of a meal delivery service Are these prepared meals or a meal kit?

I guess the first iPhone and YouTube is a matter of personal preference. I do share a family plan with 2 other people and listed a lot of music.. I barely use my regular pc three days (I don’t mean it as fa flex) Yes, the meals are prepared. You probably seen ads on Reddit. I wanna try food and see what I like the most. Surprisingly, I can see the result of eating better for two weeks even without going to the gym.

>Yes, the meals are prepared. You probably seen ads on Reddit. I can see the sense in that. Time saved is money saved. I don't see the ads as I think they are location-based

Time is definitely an important consideration. But also, it’s, having portion control and trying a variety of flavors. I am a type of person who can eat the same type of sandwich for weeks.

We are twins. Except that I do have Netflix. I really enjoy the minimalist lifestyle. Stuff doesn't excite me, it burdens me. I would rather be stress-free then to be surrounded by stuff.

Exactly! More things mean more things to manage!

Similarly No Frills as you are. 99% of my clothing come from Thrift Stores or are 30 years old (Still trying to drop the 'Lockdown 20' so I can get back into my favorite shorts. Was a real slap in the face when I went to put em on and realized my body had changed). I don't spend much money that I don't have to. Retired early and have a semi-fixed income (and who knows what inflation will occur with 2023 insurance premiums) and teach a few piano/guitar lessons on the side. Thank goodness ALLY is raising the amount of interest they pay and we bought our house in 2019. Like you I drink water or a mix of OJ and Water, eat basically the same thing for each of the 3 meals a day which are low cost/high nutritional value. Not excited by eating out, but do when the SO wants to. I recently had a big spending period when I had to get a new phone (3G going away made my old iPhone get no signal in many places), a Hot Rodded iPod, a new Samsung Tablet (Did a network installation job for a neighbor and finally got paid by his estate after he died and used that to buy it), and I bought an exercise bike so I could exercise in the hot summer months. All the items I purchased were replacing Technology items that were at least 5-6 years old and well cared for. I hope that period is over and the items I purchased will last for 4-5 years. Otherwise, I get paid every month and pay out my share of the food/home expenses and pay the rest of my bills and use what ever is left over to buy small items for joy. Never interested in Alcohol or Recreational Drugs. I have a low bar for respecting copyrights so all our entertainment comes off the internet... The one thing I pay for that I think will make your life so much better is YouTube PREMIUM. Paying $10 a month for NO COMMERCIALS is amazing. Plus if you are on your tablet or phone you can play something on YouTube and switch off to another tab or app and still hear it, something you dont get if you use the free commercial version.

Yeah I think my goal is early retirement. >Paying $10 a month for NO COMMERCIALS is amazing. Get an adblocker! :)

I am pretty tech savy, but an adblocker would not help me as I log into YouTube from: Computer, 2 Tablets, iPhone, Laptop VPN'ed to be in the UK. Getting adblockers that dont have some sort of tracking/malware on everything I use it on would be too much, so I just pay the $10. Trust me, Im not paying for anything else...

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>I'm into interior design and like having nice things in my house but most of what I own came from estate sales, Craigslist, etc. I appreciate the performance and comfort of a luxury car but I bought one lightly used and have kept it for 6 years. I find that some second hand furniture can be in good condition. And some people seem disgusted at the thought of second hand furniture (dining table, chairs) and I don't agree with the sentiment. If it is well-maintained it is still good furniture.

I’m a very frilly boi I have a lot of hobbies and these are very frilly - collect houseplants, rocks and minerals. I wear jewelry and have some clothes and accessories for any occasion. For cooking, I have a variety of gizmos and gadgets. Cooking is another hobby for me. Eating out is a rare treat to socialize, in part because I like the creative outlet cooking gives me. Art is all over my walls and I find it brings a lot of warmth to my space. I also like to have pictures of my family. My hygiene routine does include a skincare regime, and a variety of smells. Mary Kondo would love my home. Creature comforts bring me joy.

>Art is all over my walls and I find it brings a lot of warmth to my space. I also like to have pictures of my family. Love this. >Mary Kondo would love my home. Why? So she can Marie Kondo the heck out of it? XD I mean if all the things spark joy for you that's fine. So long as not hoarding I think it makes sense.

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>We will go to nice restaurants for date nights, and while our home is fairly minimal, the things we do have are high quality. We put a lot of effort into making our home feel comfortable so that we could enjoy it. When I do own a place, I would want to buy furniture. But now I'm renting and moving every couple of years, more furniture and stuff just means more logistics when it comes to moving.

>I don't wear watches - cell phones can tell the time. I don't use perfume / fragrances though I use deodorant. I buy shampoo / body wash without colouring or fragrances because I think they all contain similar classes of compounds with different fragrances and price mark-ups due to marketing. No watches or scented grooming products for me either, but I definitely wear cologne when the situation calls for it. >I work in an office job so I have maybe 8 work shirts, 4 work pants and 1 pair of work shoes. Outside of work, I usually end up wearing one particular t-shirt with the same jeans and same track shoes. I have another pair of track shoes I use for actual running. Here's where I really get frillier than you: I've got about a dozen pairs of shoes if you count flip-flops, two dozen dress shirts, another dozen casual collared shirts, probably forty t-shirts, twenty pairs each of socks and underwear, a dozen formal slacks and a dozen casual ones, half a dozen pairs of shorts, two pairs each of sweatpants and basketball shorts, three suits, six baseball caps and a homburg, and only one pair each of jeans and sunglasses because you really only need one pair of either of those if you find a good one. In my defense, my job is in the performing arts and style is pretty important. If I worked in an office, I'm sure I'd have a lot less. >I do not subscribe to any services - no NetFlix, no Spotify, no HBO etc. I don't buy any albums or songs - I would just stream them from Youtube. This is not me at all, I'm subscribed to everything you mentioned and have large collections of LP's, 45's, CD's, DVD's, and BluRays. I also have lots of sheet music and four instruments, as well as a lot of books. >I don't drink alcohol because I genuinely don't enjoy it. I don't drink soft drinks because they are empty calories / unhealthy and I eat at least 2 servings of fruits a day. I don't drink coffee because it doesn't really do anything for me. I drink alcohol and coffee/tea, but I don't drink soft drinks and I do make sure to get my fiber, protein, Omega-3's, etc. in, while avoiding unambiguous junk foods. >I usually cook at home, so no takeaways, unless friends want to meet up then I'll go to restaurants (again I usually don't order drinks, or just water). My husband and I try to go on a date every week, with drinks. We get takeout maybe twice a month. Other than that, my husband cooks, or occasionally me. I do buy sandwiches on my way to rehearsals sometimes. >Would like to hear others' thoughts. Is this very austere? How do you live? The only way in which I might be more no-frills than you are that I've buy almost all my clothing used (as well as many other things) and that I have cut my own hair since I was 20. Austere? Maybe not quite that - you do own multiple shirts, but you're defining yourself here so much by what you don't do, it does make your life sound pretty dull. What do you do for fun?

>I've got about a dozen pairs of shoes if you count flip-flops, two dozen dress shirts, another dozen casual collared shirts, probably forty t-shirts, twenty pairs each of socks and underwear, a dozen formal slacks and a dozen casual ones, half a dozen pairs of shorts, two pairs each of sweatpants and basketball shorts, three suits, six baseball caps and a homburg Over the course of a year, are there some times that you never wear? Over the course of 3 years, are there some items you have never worn? >I'm subscribed to everything you mentioned and have large collections of LP's, 45's, CD's, DVD's, and BluRays Do you have enough time to watch NetFlix, HBO, LPs, CDs, DVDs, BluRays? Are these some discs you have not watch in the last year? In the last 3 years? >it does make your life sound pretty dull. What do you do for fun? To be honest, on a weekday there's hardly ever any time. I read the news, read reddit, play computer games, settle some administrative stuff, watch some youtube programmes and the weekend is over!

>Over the course of a year, are there some times that you never wear? Over the course of 3 years, are there some items you have never worn? I can definitively say almost none, because I use the popular wardrobe management technique where every time you wear an item, you turn the hanger backwards, then around new year's you pull out anything that's still on a hanger in its normal orientation and (unless you have a good reason) discard or donate it. The only clothes that don't make it out of my closet every year are there for sentimental value: a white suit trimmed with sequins (from a fondly-remembered old Halloween costume), a slinky black dress and matching accessories (from a drag show in college), and a beautiful pair of acid-washed purple skinny jeans (the insanely skinny ones that put your body all out of proportion, not the looser ones you still see guys wear) so in a few decades I can lend them to some younger relative to wear when their prom has a 2010's night theme (so actually I have 2 pairs of jeans and must revise my earlier count of 1). My closet has been completely full since I was in high school, so I don't have room for anything I don't wear regularly. In addition to my yearly cleanout, I also have to get rid of clothes any time I bring in clothes, giving me a strong incentive not to keep clothes I don't wear. It probably sounds odd to someone with your philosophy on clothing, but there are a minimum number of colors, patterns, and cuts of garments needed to make enough outfits to get through a month without repeating or wearing something that doesn't match. Couple this with the fact that I live in a high desert climate (blazing summers, freezing winters, and temperatures that can vary 40°F ( or 22°C) between noon and night), and I need a lot of clothes. I actually think my wardrobe is pretty compact for as many outfits as I'm able to get out of it. And it gives me a lot of enjoyment to be able to set the tone of my day with the style choices I make each morning. >Do you have enough time to watch NetFlix, HBO, LPs, CDs, DVDs, BluRays? Are these some discs you have not watch in the last year? In the last 3 years? I do have time to watch things. I always go to sleep with something playing in the background, so streaming services are really easy to just flip on with the remote and set a sleep timer. Plus, in my line of work it's normal to have a few breaks in your year between contracts where you're just free for a few weeks, preparing for your next one. We do some traveling in these breaks, when my husband is free and we can afford it, but I also have lots of time at home, so books music and movies help pass the time. I will say that not all of my records and CD's have been used in the past 3 years. We mostly listen during dinner, so obviously light jazz and classical albums get a lot more play than rock albums or the Original Broadway Cast of Annie. However both of those collections live in purpose-built cabinets, so there's nothing else to really store in there. Ergo, until I buy new ones, I see no reason to throw out the old ones. DVD's and BluRays, though, we use a similar system to the clothes. We can't rewatch something until we have finished every movie in the collection, which takes about a year. We don't like every movie we have, so there are some we dread having to watch, but we still do and have fun making fun of the movie until we get tired of that and start making out. We do occasionally throw out the really bad ones of course. >To be honest, on a weekday there's hardly ever any time. I read the news, read reddit, play computer games, settle some administrative stuff, watch some youtube programmes and the weekend is over! This makes me want to ask some other questions. What job do you do that takes up so much of your time? How many hours a day do you work? And, most importantly, what in your life makes you happy? I'm really curious because you've chosen a life for yourself that I decided long ago I personally could never be happy in.

>What job do you do that takes up so much of your time? How many hours a day do you work? And, most importantly, what in your life makes you happy? Those are really good questions! I work an office job is that officially 9-5, but end up usually 9-6 or 9-7, so 9-10 hours? I am not exactly happy with this and have spoken with my manager on past occasions several times, with no success. What makes me happy - that's also a really tough one. My idea of happiness is contentment, so to find a husband, to be settled, to have a stable family life, kids or a dog.

40°F is equivalent to 4°C, which is 277K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)

I guess I'm frilly, then.....reading your description. I like nice things that make me feel nice.... so yeah coconut and shea butter shower gel is just niiiiiiice...... and Boss after shave smells very good too. I love food and wine, so I exercise a lot, to enable some mild gluttony. Occasional take outs are nice, with no dishes to wash up. Clothes, I'm not into brands and T-shirts and jeans are the main items, usually bands I like on the T-shirts. Damn though I do love my tech....Alexa, Apple, iwatch etc..... I think I used to be more no frills, but after my partner died I kind of started spoiling myself a bit. Makes the loneliness a bit more bearable....

My every day life is reasonably no thrills but nowhere near on the scale of the OP. I put most of my time and energy (and money) into music equipment though and my house is over flowing with stuff.

I read this in Patrick Bateman's voice

I’m not very no-frills compared to you, but I don’t wear a watch or jewelry, and my clothing is Pacific Northwest casual. I do have a lot of it, though, about a dozen pairs of shoes, LEGO displayed all over the house (plus other tchotchkes), Disney+, Netflix, Hulu, cable, several TVs and different game systems, various drinking glasses for different kinds of drinks, etc.

>Disney+, Netflix, Hulu, cable Do you spend much time on them at all?

My husband and I do watch a lot of TV, but our sources kind of shift sometimes. For example, maybe we don’t watch Netflix for a month, and then something new comes out and we start watching that, and we noticed something else that looks interesting, so we end up watching Netflix more for a while. We have some favorite shows that are available on different services, so it kind of makes sense to have all of these. We’ve definitely resisted getting anything more (Paramount+, Peacock, HBO Max…).

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Because you are exactly like that, because you are the opposite of that, because you are a gazillionaire who will buy anything and everything for me?

Do you do your laundry naked? Inquiring minds want to know. I hope you change your underwear ( if you wear any) at least once a week. I’m only kidding. Whatever floats your boat.

Since enquiring minds want to know, I don't do my laundry naked. I don't understand how my post relates to frequency of changing underwear (hygiene).

I said I was only kidding. You said you wear one t-shirt, with the same jeans and same track shoes. I kiddingly extended that to the same underwear. I didn’t mean to offend you. I did assume you did laundry. I apologize.

I was only kidding :p I like giving equally remarks back, but only when I get them

Im definately a frills guy. I love scented candles, luxurious bodywashes, fancy coffees, interior design, trendy clothes, and nice packaging. From my POV, its the stuff I deal with every day. So I want it to be good quality. Like i'm not out there, buying Margiela tshirts, and drinking 10k whiskey. But within my budget I always try and make everyday a bit luxurious. That said, im either full throttle or off the gas pedal. If I cant get something nice, I would rather just get the cheapest thing than spend my money on something mediocre.

>I love scented candles, luxurious bodywashes, fancy coffees, interior design, trendy clothes, and nice packaging This is what I am trying to understand. If you saw the same scented candle, mint condition, in a charity shop, would you still buy it? It there was a supermarket house brand bodywash with a similar smell to a luxury bodywash, would you still buy it? I've been told Starbucks coffee is bad / not amazing, so I don't understand why people pay the price of a burger for Starbucks coffee.

1. Starbucks coffee is terrible. Their mixed drinks arent bad however. And to be honest, Starbucks isnt super expensive in the larger scale of coffee shops. But its the Burger King of cafes. Its a fast food place, and I dont usually choose to spend money there. I would rther go to a specialty cafe. Better beans, better ingredients, nicer interior, better designed materials. The entire experience is different. That said I will pick up a dollar coffee if i'm in a rush or just out and about. 2. It depends on the body wash. If the scent, lather, moisturising capabilites, packaging, and chemical makeup are similar. I have no issues buying a cheaper alternative. 3. If its the same brand and new, I have no problem thrifting a candle. I have no problem thrifting in general. Im wearing a thrifed shirt right now. That all said. I like the experience of walking into a nice shop and buying something. I like the packaging, and the fancy store.

In some ways, I am like you, in that I tend to wear quite simple clothes. I am quite happy in jeans and a T-shirt, or if I wear serious clothes, they might be quite cheap. I have even bought clothes from Primark. If you are from the U.K. you will know what that means. I have thought of buying 20 pairs of socks, all the same, so I don't have to deal with odd socks ever again! A friend of mine visited from England (I live abroad), and he praised me by saying I had built muscle, was better-looking, and I had a cute a***. Then he said I would never attract gay guys, because I was wearing cheap, loose clothes. I needed skinny jeans at least. I needed to look more fashionable. I am unlike you in that I do drink. Beer here can be quite cheap, but the guys that are attracted to me in this country generally don't drink. They may be very handsome and attractive, and intelligent, but sometimes lacking a sense of adventure. I need to meet more guys, though. What I want to say is that I am with you part of the way.

>I have even bought clothes from Primark. If you are from the U.K. you will know what that means. Actually I don't XD. I have some clothes from Primark. Some t-shirts can be flimsy and I avoid those. Some shirts are fine and have lasted me more than 5 years.

You use body wash? Tsk tsk. I just use shampoo for the whole body, why buy both?

I don't actually. I started getting dry itchy skin that was annoying, then thought why strip away my body oils to then apply moisturiser (which helped but not completely). So I stopped using body wash and had no problems, so now I only shampoo my hair, but not the whole body to avoid the aforementioned dry skin.

I'm a country gay, and I recently met a cit6 gay who said he turned down a job earning 70k and I was like 'wow what a huge salary' and he was like 'uhhh...I thought it was a bit low actually', and he said he doesn't want kids, he wants a porches, and I was like, I just drive the same car and don't really think about it much. Different strokes, all good.

Similar but sober because I’m an alcoholic. Work at a dog daycare so those clothes are kind of wear and tear and smell prone. The rest of the time I wear cheapo Walmart stuff. When I see someone wearing/driving expensive things I’m like ‘ok, we get it, you’re a big deal.’ I do get into fitness for bursts at a time though, but Even when I see ultra fit people it’s like ‘again… very impressed…. Yawn.’ I have wondered what to describe myself as in the past on dating apps because I don’t feel I fit into the/a ‘lgbtq+’ community or straight community (bi or whatever it is when you don’t care anymore). Rugged? Sloppy? Apathetic? I’m clean generally and frugal. I guess identity is weird. I just kinda do my thing though, and I enjoyed your post.

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>You’re probably not as far off mainstream as you think you are. I feel pretty much off mainstream. I don't buy branded stuff as I think most things are made in China and I'm paying for work done by corporate marketing departments. I would be willing to spend money for dinners with friends, but again, not really 3\* Michelin restaurants. Maybe special anniversaries, but still I would find that hard to justify.

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>It seems like you view mainstream consumerist culture such that you think most people consume lots of things or high end things when in fact the ones who do are just conspicuous so they stand out. I feel more in comparison to my colleagues who have gone to Michelin star restaurants or who buy Ralph Lauren work shoes. My ex was a frequent Starbucks drinker and much more open to spending. He really made me question my approach to spending.

I do very much love leading an existence that has marketing experts screaming out “HOW DO I TARGET YOU?” …apart from my tabletop games and plushies, my only weaknesses rip

Aahhhhhhh youth……….. I’m 80 and live in a house full of memories …. Been sober for 38 yrs because I drank enough for you too. I hope I’m not cheap but if I can’t have the best I don’t buy…. Love to go out and always over tip…… if their working they need the money…. I’ve had tuxedos and Tails but bury me in my jeans, still love plaid shirts so what….What I’m trying to say is things change, times change and there is nothing wrong with you or me….it’s just life…..Hope your happy and find. Someone to love and share your memories with….