Spared him. He was an asshole but he more than makes up for it. In the afterlife too.
Nothing like getting the whole family back together after everything they went through too
I got them all together in my first playthrough, but in my second >! Deimos killed Myrrine !< so the family get together was fairly lame and a bit tense
I spared him, mostly because it's early enough in the game that my roleplay was Kass just trying to get information and fix her broken family. As the game progressed and Deimos kept being a dick I started not caring and just wanting to put him down.
This led to the numerous series of events where, when Kass went home for dinner, the only people at the table were her dad and the adoptive brother who hates her. Fun scene.
Bruh, my first time, I fought Nikolaos with honor and cut him down. Then Stentor came whining and crying while my back was to the cliff. I dodged around to his back and kicked him off in less than a second. It felt almost cinematically ironic how empty Stentors death was in comparison... little shit.
Escaping what? Trying to save a cities worth of people over the lives of his children? Trying to do the best for as many people as possible despite the harm it did to himself and his family?
If half the people in the world had that strength of character we'd be a lot better off.
Yeah but who decides what actions are justified? It’s like the hypothetical train scenario where a train is set to run over two people and you have the option to redirect it onto an adjacent track but will kill one person doing so.
What do you do ethically?
Each person forced to make that choice in the moment they are forced to make it is who decides.
And tbh my opinion is that unless you have had to do something similar you probably aren’t qualified to judge that persons actions.
Well that’s not even the same comparison then. The Pythia said he needed to do it for Sparta. That’s thousands of living people and then their potential descendants. For the life of one baby. Your proposed one sounds like 1:1, both being related. It’s easy to make somebody sound bad when you’re loading the dice.
You’re thinking about this strictly from a standpoint of duty and statistics, I’m thinking about it from a standpoint of the actual sacrifice he made, I’m not saying he was wrong, I’m saying you’re downplaying how difficult the decision would be and was.
I’m not trying to downplay it at all. In fact, I’m trying to highlight the reason why he arrived at the decision he made. Let’s take away the duty of being a Spartan and listening to the Pythia and whatnot. If the sacrifice to be made was kill your infant “child” (yes I read your other reply about adopted children and see the point there) to save the life of one other resident who may become super important in the future, I could see it being much more difficult not to disobey. Wouldn’t you be thinking “screw that, my child is the one who will be super important”? Being that the choice was essentially one infant of yours or thousands and their erased descendants, I’m sure it was still not easy on his conscience at all but a slam dunk choice to a reasonable person. So no doubt he’s hating himself over it every day, but it’s a choice he’d make again every time.
Well obviously he switched the track to kill the one person. And obviously it’s the better of the two evils. But ya hey. It’s better to just stand by and not do anything to you I guess. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thank you! People rationalizing it by saying “I needed info” or they wanted a cut scene. The dude got his soldiers in the middle of the night, to drop his infant daughter off a cliff while his mother is wailing and begging for it all to stop. Then thats not enough? He now has to throw his son off too? Because the Oracle said so? Nah, this man would be dragged through the streets today, get 3 life sentences and depending on the state the death penalty. He deserved my blade.
But he also did what any true Spartan would do. He was a Spartan first and a Father second. His Spartan duties came first. Not to say that it was right, but when we look back in time, we have to look back through the eyes of the time, not through our modern way of thinking.
No cause both of them have precursor blood. Which the cave dude did too (I refuse to say his name out of spite) I mean it's rumored demos was his but...he said "I loved you both like you guys were mine..but you never were" and then they never really say anything about deimos. Personally I believe the cave dude fathered both. Maybe the character we play as didn't "bloom" quick enough and he came back to "offer" another kid? I mean I get Leonidas had some isu blood...but both the sibling wield isu weapons like they are toys. Isu armor. And compared to demigods. So I find it hard to believe only one is fathered by Mr immortal
I know this is an extremely old post but I was curious as to what people did after I did it and I am confused on the comments here. He had to kill his baby, if not the spartans would of killed the family anyway. Not sure why this is never mentioned here. Not hard to grasp
Can't bring myself to spare someone who killed his own kids because of religious bullshit. I thought that I might do it in my second playthrough just to see how it changes the story, but when the moment came I killed him again because I just can't find any reasonable excuse for his behaviour.
Same. I got the best ending with both Alexios and mama-sparta on Kassandra's ship. And Nicolaos and his "son" humiliated and then killed. I mean, that dickhead basically admitted he would do it again!
She had multiple people restraining her. Kassandra (or Alexios, as the case may be) had one guy holding her loosely by the wrist. Also after the whole thing went down, she left her husband and Spartan society altogether.
And you’ll note she says she doesn’t blame him but she couldn’t live with it.
And again, a literal child vs a trained soldier with at least a decade of experience.
So you don’t behave any kind of crazy ways when you’re playing games? If we were to watch every playthrough of every game you ever play, you would be a little boy scout and bore us all to death?
The beauty of playing a game is that you can behave any way you want. I'm not trying to entertain anyone except myself, hence why I don't stream my game play. You may have missed the point of the post's question.
No I followed the point of the post clearly. What has my attention 100% right now, however, is you being a judgmental turd to the “religious bullshit” that many of these people are claiming. It’s a proven fact that that is how people were in the time and place so the guy would legit be torn up by his decisions but all you can say is “I WILL NOT TOLERATE HIS BEHAVIOUR BLAH BLAH”.
So yeah when you post in a public forum that you’re a puritan with social issues, yeah, somebody might have a criticism or two for you. I’m sorry you don’t appreciate that?
In my first playthrough I killed him because I was genuinely angry that he threw my brother off a cliff to die and then he threw me off the cliff. He didn't deserve to live for that. Geez, talk about worst father of the year.
In my second playthrough I spared him because I wanted to see how it'd change the story. But really, killing him was the right decision morally speaking.
In today's morals yes. But back then? Nikolaos did what was morally correct to a Spartan. Nikolaos was a Spartan first and a Father second. When looking back in time with our modern sensibilities and morals will make everything look evil in history, however, when we look back in time, we must also shift our thinking and the way we view the past, into the way of thinking of the past. Yes we have learned from the past, that's why we now know what he did is morally wrong. But back then, it would have been morally wrong to go against the gods.
I don't know man. If it wasn't morally wrong at the time then Myrrine wouldn't have left Nikolaus and would have stood by his (screwed up) decision.Myrrine was a proud Spartan too, given her lineage but she wasn't okay with it. If it was something that was normal and happened often then their story wouldn't have been known throughout Sparta. Besides, something happening often in a given time doesn't make it morally right.
Their story was only known because Nikolaos was widely known. If it had happened to any other soldier, like it did a lot even throwing them out just because they were not "healthy enough," then it wouldn't have been widely known.
Spared him. I think he always regretted what he did but had to justify it to himself just to keep living. But I mostly did it because I just didn't feel like (my) Kassandra could bring herself to kill her father no matter how much he deserved it.
Sparing everybody in your family or like close to your family will gove you the best ending possible, your whole family around your table at the end, and as lieutenant for your ship, he also has info
Spared. His participation in the story is just better with him spared. Also, my Kassandra simply cannot bring herself to kill her own father; on some level she understands as a Spartan he did what he felt his Spartan oaths commanded. After sparing him, the dialog clearly shows his acknowledgement and remorse as he heads off to find some measure of redemption.
spared him. kinda felt bad for the guy during that conversation plus it didn't feel like either kass or alexios would really have been the type to kill him in that moment. it pays off when you see him later in the game imo, the kind of person he is made me feel like i made the right decision.
This is probably TMI, but I had an adopted father with whom my childhood relationship was both amazingly wonderful and exceptionally damaging. I owe him for some of my best life lessons/ skillsets and my worst life traumas. There was a crossroad moment when I was 27ish when I could walk away or let it go. I chose to let it go. I took the same approach with Nikolaos.
Interestingly, the dialogue in both situations was similar. Kass says: >!"Though you deserve death, there is no honour in vengeance. You must face the ghosts of your past, pater. And that is a fate worse than death."!< I said something similar to my dad, and the expression on his face said it all. When she said that, I knew I'd made the right decision for me.
I've always spared him, but in the future, I'm taking everyone and will sit badly for my actions later. I'm not worthy of that yet but I do wanna get each of the 9 endings at some point.
Dead as a nail because I didn't realize at the time I could spare him. Still not certain, knowing what I know now, that I would've spared him, though. Some of the interactions later are worth it.
Her death broke my heart.
In Valhalla, there is a quest on the isle of Sky where you work with Kassandra to find an artifact. When you find the artifact, you and kassandra walk through a hall of trinkets from memories for her. One of the trinkets is pheobes wooden eagle. Kassandra nearly breaks down when she sees it.
Exactly. As far as he could have known at the time he was in the shittiest position possible, the existence of his entire nation over the lives of one of his kids was hard enough, but then the other child committing murder which required their death as well. oof.
Given modern context and knowledge, plus the influence of the cult its efforts we know that he was being manipulated but damn, they set him up about as good as it gets.
I mean sure sometimes the one for the many is the objectively good choice but tbh if I had to make such a decision I would accept it if in the future the person I sacrificed survived and came for my head because honestly they are very much entitled to it.
Also considering the fact that you can get both Deimos and Kass to survive without a bad end the entire decision is not only wrong but wholly pointless other than showing that the man would choose duty over family which I can’t let slide.
Like throwing kids of a mountain is honestly unforgivable in any context imo but throwing what are essentially your children of a cliff simply because some failure of an oracle claimed you should is wild to me. I’d let the entire world burn without hesitation if I am sure it would guarantee happiness for me and mine.
Killed his bitch ass. An eye for an eye
I killed Nikolaos for the sake of the job (+ revenge) but spared a certain old friend later down the line rather than completing the job.
Ok, let's see you go back, live and breathe as a Spartan and see how you would make things different. If you say that you, without hesitating, wouldn't throw your kid off the cliff, then you are still only thinking with your modern mindset. Get yourself into the mindset and culture of the past and you will see Nikolaos did what was morally correct, at the time. You need to remember, back then, being a Spartan came first and if the Oracle, the speaker of the Gods, commands something, you are pretty morally obligated to do it.
Being a Spartan is more important than being a father back then. Nikolaos was a Spartan first and Father second. He did what was morally correct for his nation but with modern thinking, morally incorrect for his family.
And I see you lacking basic grammar and spelling. One thing you are also lacking is the ability to put yourself into the perspective of the culture back then and can only think using modern sensibilities.
He never meant anything to me he needed to do his duties and i had to do mine he had to protect sparta and i had to burnt that rotten nation to the ground
Spared him. He didnt want to do what he did but was lied/manipulated into beleving he HAD to do it. that and if you spare him he says something like "being left to live eith my remorse might just be worse than death".
Spared. Personally although his actions are cruel it can be argued that he was acting on genuine belief that his life would be effectively ended by disobeying. You have to remember that he’s a SPARTAN GENERAL, and as such has had spartan values beaten in to him from a young age. He makes up for his wrongs in many ways as well and shows remorse. He didn’t want to do what he did, he had to.
I spared him, even though he threw me off a cliff, he did it with suffering, and he's still my father.
My Alexios is pretty forgiving with everyone... but not when he's angry for sure.
In my NG+ I've just started, I will save him, and try to find a way to kill Stentor, I'm not saving Demios this time though. I've had the whole family twice and on my own once, so going for something different.
Spared. Even though this wasn’t my rationale for sparing him the first time around, you have to consider that in Ancient Greece, being exiled from your polis was considered to be a fate worse than death. In fact, it was the worst fate conceivable for anybody in the Greek world at the time. Even though what Nikolaos did was wrong, it’s possible that he and his family would have been exiled if he hadn’t followed through. Exile is terrible because you lose the protections that the polis confers. You no longer belong to a family, and therefore you will always be a stranger wandering a vast land where you are forever vulnerable. Polis wasn’t just a city-state, it was an identity thing. Regrettably, either option would have sucked ass.
Honestly, I learned all of this from my World History Course in university and I’m not all too sure that what I learned is completely accurate, but those are my two cents.
Spared. He has information I need.
Spared him. He was an asshole but he more than makes up for it. In the afterlife too. Nothing like getting the whole family back together after everything they went through too
I got them all together in my first playthrough, but in my second >! Deimos killed Myrrine !< so the family get together was fairly lame and a bit tense
How can I avoid this? :O
help him and just don’t do the aggressive choices.
The most important conversation is when you are in jail. It's easy to mess that up. Look for the right responses on line
True that. I messed up in jail and screwed up my ending.
I didn’t need to see that😔
I’m having regrets about spartan kicking him off that cliff
No regrets
*ragrets
Not even one letter ?
What happened in the afterlife? I don’t remember
Either you kill him again or he helps you overthrow persephone
Wasn’t that Leonidas?
Oh crap you're right my bad
I spared him, mostly because it's early enough in the game that my roleplay was Kass just trying to get information and fix her broken family. As the game progressed and Deimos kept being a dick I started not caring and just wanting to put him down. This led to the numerous series of events where, when Kass went home for dinner, the only people at the table were her dad and the adoptive brother who hates her. Fun scene.
I bet. I had the full family dinner. Was quite nice and they all joined my boat
Their banter while on the ship is great!
I spartan kicked that mofo off the cliff. A foot for drop.
As I was walking up that hill I was like “well that dude is getting kicked off that cliff”
Sort of ironic..
The irony isn't lost on me 🤣🤣
Bruh, my first time, I fought Nikolaos with honor and cut him down. Then Stentor came whining and crying while my back was to the cliff. I dodged around to his back and kicked him off in less than a second. It felt almost cinematically ironic how empty Stentors death was in comparison... little shit.
Spared. He did the throwing because he’s a Spartan first. And it’s just a nicer game outcome in general (get it…. “General.”)
r/angryupvote
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Spared. He needs to live with what he's done. Death would have been an easy escape.
If you spare him you forgive him, and welcome him into your family again... he doesn’t deserve forgiveness.
Escaping what? Trying to save a cities worth of people over the lives of his children? Trying to do the best for as many people as possible despite the harm it did to himself and his family? If half the people in the world had that strength of character we'd be a lot better off.
Yeah but who decides what actions are justified? It’s like the hypothetical train scenario where a train is set to run over two people and you have the option to redirect it onto an adjacent track but will kill one person doing so. What do you do ethically?
Each person forced to make that choice in the moment they are forced to make it is who decides. And tbh my opinion is that unless you have had to do something similar you probably aren’t qualified to judge that persons actions.
\*Sokrates has entered the chat\*
Change the two tracks to a million people and one person and I’ll send the train to kill the one person and then eat breakfast. No second thoughts
The one person is your infant child. And then later on the track it hits another person. Also your child.
Well that’s not even the same comparison then. The Pythia said he needed to do it for Sparta. That’s thousands of living people and then their potential descendants. For the life of one baby. Your proposed one sounds like 1:1, both being related. It’s easy to make somebody sound bad when you’re loading the dice.
You’re thinking about this strictly from a standpoint of duty and statistics, I’m thinking about it from a standpoint of the actual sacrifice he made, I’m not saying he was wrong, I’m saying you’re downplaying how difficult the decision would be and was.
I’m not trying to downplay it at all. In fact, I’m trying to highlight the reason why he arrived at the decision he made. Let’s take away the duty of being a Spartan and listening to the Pythia and whatnot. If the sacrifice to be made was kill your infant “child” (yes I read your other reply about adopted children and see the point there) to save the life of one other resident who may become super important in the future, I could see it being much more difficult not to disobey. Wouldn’t you be thinking “screw that, my child is the one who will be super important”? Being that the choice was essentially one infant of yours or thousands and their erased descendants, I’m sure it was still not easy on his conscience at all but a slam dunk choice to a reasonable person. So no doubt he’s hating himself over it every day, but it’s a choice he’d make again every time.
Fair enough and agreed. Though kassandra wouldn’t be too happy about it
Not to mention the fact that neither of the people thrown from the cliff were actually Nikolaos’ children…
Pretty sure parents who adopt children would hesitate to kill them both even for the benefit of hundreds…
Well obviously he switched the track to kill the one person. And obviously it’s the better of the two evils. But ya hey. It’s better to just stand by and not do anything to you I guess. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Killed him. Mf threw his kid of a cliff no sympathy from me
Thank you! People rationalizing it by saying “I needed info” or they wanted a cut scene. The dude got his soldiers in the middle of the night, to drop his infant daughter off a cliff while his mother is wailing and begging for it all to stop. Then thats not enough? He now has to throw his son off too? Because the Oracle said so? Nah, this man would be dragged through the streets today, get 3 life sentences and depending on the state the death penalty. He deserved my blade.
But he also did what any true Spartan would do. He was a Spartan first and a Father second. His Spartan duties came first. Not to say that it was right, but when we look back in time, we have to look back through the eyes of the time, not through our modern way of thinking.
Then we did what any true misthios would do by killing his ass for a job. 🤷♀️
Well we weren't any misthios though :P we were a special misthios but yeah true.
😂😂 for some reason your response gave me a giggle, it think it’s the “:P we were a special misthios”
That was kinda the point 😂😂
Yeah, he was a great spartan, problem is, I dont like spartans!
Not his daughter or son btw...
>!The Misthios isn't his biologically, but Deimos is.!<
No cause both of them have precursor blood. Which the cave dude did too (I refuse to say his name out of spite) I mean it's rumored demos was his but...he said "I loved you both like you guys were mine..but you never were" and then they never really say anything about deimos. Personally I believe the cave dude fathered both. Maybe the character we play as didn't "bloom" quick enough and he came back to "offer" another kid? I mean I get Leonidas had some isu blood...but both the sibling wield isu weapons like they are toys. Isu armor. And compared to demigods. So I find it hard to believe only one is fathered by Mr immortal
I know this is an extremely old post but I was curious as to what people did after I did it and I am confused on the comments here. He had to kill his baby, if not the spartans would of killed the family anyway. Not sure why this is never mentioned here. Not hard to grasp
I spared him. I don't like final decisions in games.
Spared. I like having my entire family as lieutenants.
I adore the banter when you first appoint them all as lieutenants. It's hilarious and heartwarming and very...'Yep. This is family.'
spared, but only because of the information was pleasantly suprised with the family cut scene tho
Can't bring myself to spare someone who killed his own kids because of religious bullshit. I thought that I might do it in my second playthrough just to see how it changes the story, but when the moment came I killed him again because I just can't find any reasonable excuse for his behaviour.
Same. I got the best ending with both Alexios and mama-sparta on Kassandra's ship. And Nicolaos and his "son" humiliated and then killed. I mean, that dickhead basically admitted he would do it again!
Your character, who 100% believes in the gods at the moment you interact with nikolaus, killed him for "religious bullshit"? How does that make sense.
Everyone believes in the gods in Odyssey. Myrrine did too, but at least she had the courage to stand against a prophecy that told her to kill her kid.
Did she? She cried and yelled about it, but if a kid was able to break free how was the mother unable to?
She had multiple people restraining her. Kassandra (or Alexios, as the case may be) had one guy holding her loosely by the wrist. Also after the whole thing went down, she left her husband and Spartan society altogether.
And you’ll note she says she doesn’t blame him but she couldn’t live with it. And again, a literal child vs a trained soldier with at least a decade of experience.
So you don’t behave any kind of crazy ways when you’re playing games? If we were to watch every playthrough of every game you ever play, you would be a little boy scout and bore us all to death?
The beauty of playing a game is that you can behave any way you want. I'm not trying to entertain anyone except myself, hence why I don't stream my game play. You may have missed the point of the post's question.
No I followed the point of the post clearly. What has my attention 100% right now, however, is you being a judgmental turd to the “religious bullshit” that many of these people are claiming. It’s a proven fact that that is how people were in the time and place so the guy would legit be torn up by his decisions but all you can say is “I WILL NOT TOLERATE HIS BEHAVIOUR BLAH BLAH”. So yeah when you post in a public forum that you’re a puritan with social issues, yeah, somebody might have a criticism or two for you. I’m sorry you don’t appreciate that?
Just commenting to remind you how absurdly rude you were for no reason here
launched that mf on to some rocks 🙂
In my first playthrough I killed him because I was genuinely angry that he threw my brother off a cliff to die and then he threw me off the cliff. He didn't deserve to live for that. Geez, talk about worst father of the year. In my second playthrough I spared him because I wanted to see how it'd change the story. But really, killing him was the right decision morally speaking.
In today's morals yes. But back then? Nikolaos did what was morally correct to a Spartan. Nikolaos was a Spartan first and a Father second. When looking back in time with our modern sensibilities and morals will make everything look evil in history, however, when we look back in time, we must also shift our thinking and the way we view the past, into the way of thinking of the past. Yes we have learned from the past, that's why we now know what he did is morally wrong. But back then, it would have been morally wrong to go against the gods.
I don't know man. If it wasn't morally wrong at the time then Myrrine wouldn't have left Nikolaus and would have stood by his (screwed up) decision.Myrrine was a proud Spartan too, given her lineage but she wasn't okay with it. If it was something that was normal and happened often then their story wouldn't have been known throughout Sparta. Besides, something happening often in a given time doesn't make it morally right.
Their story was only known because Nikolaos was widely known. If it had happened to any other soldier, like it did a lot even throwing them out just because they were not "healthy enough," then it wouldn't have been widely known.
And in Antiquity everyone abandonned child that weren't healthy
I Sparta kicked his ass off that cliff with zero hesitation. You wanna throw me off a cliff, let's see how you like it.
Plus he is not our actual father. Some sugar daddy of kasandras mom killed both of her kids bc he had to. Bro. What an excuse we do not care
Spared him. I think he always regretted what he did but had to justify it to himself just to keep living. But I mostly did it because I just didn't feel like (my) Kassandra could bring herself to kill her father no matter how much he deserved it.
Yeah, I feel that too. My Kassandra is a softy. ;-)
Mine's too! And her soft heart led to me getting the best ending in the game. I love softie Kassandra.
Killed him in my first playthrough, spared him in my second. Now I spare him when I replay because I prefer the outcome.
I kept him alive as well because I did not want Senator more mad at me
LOL. Stentor was definitely pain in the 🍑
Spared. And with the ending I got, it was a right decision.
cant remember him by name you got a photo ?
The father
Spared on my main canon Kassandra run and killed him on my chaos mode Alexios run.
he is lieutenant in my boat
Spared
Sparing everybody in your family or like close to your family will gove you the best ending possible, your whole family around your table at the end, and as lieutenant for your ship, he also has info
Spared. His participation in the story is just better with him spared. Also, my Kassandra simply cannot bring herself to kill her own father; on some level she understands as a Spartan he did what he felt his Spartan oaths commanded. After sparing him, the dialog clearly shows his acknowledgement and remorse as he heads off to find some measure of redemption.
spared him. kinda felt bad for the guy during that conversation plus it didn't feel like either kass or alexios would really have been the type to kill him in that moment. it pays off when you see him later in the game imo, the kind of person he is made me feel like i made the right decision.
Kass would def do it. He deliberately killed her and her brother to save his money and power. Fu*k him
Spare. I Always choose the family ending for my bro Alexios.
This is probably TMI, but I had an adopted father with whom my childhood relationship was both amazingly wonderful and exceptionally damaging. I owe him for some of my best life lessons/ skillsets and my worst life traumas. There was a crossroad moment when I was 27ish when I could walk away or let it go. I chose to let it go. I took the same approach with Nikolaos. Interestingly, the dialogue in both situations was similar. Kass says: >!"Though you deserve death, there is no honour in vengeance. You must face the ghosts of your past, pater. And that is a fate worse than death."!< I said something similar to my dad, and the expression on his face said it all. When she said that, I knew I'd made the right decision for me.
*Y E E T*
I killed and spared just to see how the story would play out
Spared him on first playthrough Killed him on the 2nd playthrough
I killed him my first playthrough
spared. Im better, bigger, richer and hotter, everyday I want him too see how great I've gotten and for him to know I'll always be Zeus' favorite >].
I've always spared him, but in the future, I'm taking everyone and will sit badly for my actions later. I'm not worthy of that yet but I do wanna get each of the 9 endings at some point.
First playthrough I saved everyone. Current playthrough I am going to get everyone killed off.
Dead as a nail because I didn't realize at the time I could spare him. Still not certain, knowing what I know now, that I would've spared him, though. Some of the interactions later are worth it.
I spared him. He's a pos but my mom likes him... Edit: I saved everyone but brasidos. Which I feel bad about.
Cant save brasidas, he always dies.
Same for phoebe 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Her death broke my heart. In Valhalla, there is a quest on the isle of Sky where you work with Kassandra to find an artifact. When you find the artifact, you and kassandra walk through a hall of trinkets from memories for her. One of the trinkets is pheobes wooden eagle. Kassandra nearly breaks down when she sees it.
I know 😭😭😭 I literally cried
I saved everyone on my first playthrough, on my second I did a revenge tour and slaughtered anyone that crossed me, the lion included
The first time I killed him, every other time I spared him.
Spared him. It simplifies things with Stentor later on.
Canon? what canon?
Spare him
Killed his ass for his weapon
You get the weapon even if you don’t kill him lol
Haha oh well he was a dick
Spared
I started a new game hell bent on killing him, and couldn't bring myself to do it
Killed that bastard, he threw me off a mountain
Killed him immediately
Killed
I spared him every time
😊🔪 killed him happily
why would I kill him? He did his duty as he was required to do, and you can see him hating every moment of it. Of course I spared him.
Spared
Putting the spoiler in the title, lol.
Spare him
Spared him
I spared him in the end (though I did kill him and reload).
Spared
Killed the bitch
Spare, I understood why he did it. Didn’t agree but I understood
Exactly. As far as he could have known at the time he was in the shittiest position possible, the existence of his entire nation over the lives of one of his kids was hard enough, but then the other child committing murder which required their death as well. oof. Given modern context and knowledge, plus the influence of the cult its efforts we know that he was being manipulated but damn, they set him up about as good as it gets.
Spare
Spartan kicked the prick. Nothing redeems him from throwing kids off cliffs while their mother begs, pleads and cries.
So in no situation is the death of one better than the death of everyone?
I mean sure sometimes the one for the many is the objectively good choice but tbh if I had to make such a decision I would accept it if in the future the person I sacrificed survived and came for my head because honestly they are very much entitled to it. Also considering the fact that you can get both Deimos and Kass to survive without a bad end the entire decision is not only wrong but wholly pointless other than showing that the man would choose duty over family which I can’t let slide. Like throwing kids of a mountain is honestly unforgivable in any context imo but throwing what are essentially your children of a cliff simply because some failure of an oracle claimed you should is wild to me. I’d let the entire world burn without hesitation if I am sure it would guarantee happiness for me and mine.
I killed everyone.
Killed every single time, you can't break conviction.
Killed his bitch ass. An eye for an eye I killed Nikolaos for the sake of the job (+ revenge) but spared a certain old friend later down the line rather than completing the job.
Killed, and out of all the choices in the game, he deserves death the most because he throws his child off a cliff at the advice of one lady.
Ok, let's see you go back, live and breathe as a Spartan and see how you would make things different. If you say that you, without hesitating, wouldn't throw your kid off the cliff, then you are still only thinking with your modern mindset. Get yourself into the mindset and culture of the past and you will see Nikolaos did what was morally correct, at the time. You need to remember, back then, being a Spartan came first and if the Oracle, the speaker of the Gods, commands something, you are pretty morally obligated to do it. Being a Spartan is more important than being a father back then. Nikolaos was a Spartan first and Father second. He did what was morally correct for his nation but with modern thinking, morally incorrect for his family.
Ur defending sum1 killing their kid a lot
And I see you lacking basic grammar and spelling. One thing you are also lacking is the ability to put yourself into the perspective of the culture back then and can only think using modern sensibilities.
Kill him every time
I like kill better for the story.
He never meant anything to me he needed to do his duties and i had to do mine he had to protect sparta and i had to burnt that rotten nation to the ground
Spared him afterall dad is dad 😂😂😂
Good ending on this palythrough so he lives. Next one I'm going full Artemis on their asses and killing everything in sight
Killed. Asshole didn't even apologize, was just "it was my duty as a Spartan to throw my kid off the cliff" fuck him
Spared him. I’m a softy 😂
I killed him on my first playthrough but always spared him after that.
Spared
Spared him. Nice to have potential backup against the cult since I assume he'll show up again at some point.
I spare him every playthrough
there is no forgiveness possible for yeeting me off a fucking cliff
Vanquished
Spared
I spared him.
spared, i already kicked his ass, now he has to live with himself for the shit he's done in the name of his country
you get a better storyline / ending if you spare him
I „this is sparta“ kicked him off the cliff.
Spared. He's useful in the adrestia
I spared him.
I got the whole fam back together. Lol
I killed him in my first play through, but spared him this time. It’s been v interesting!
Spared. He helps you in a situation down the road.
I dont really care about the story he is a legendary lieutenant so i spare him every time
I killed him but I could've sworn everyone dying was the canon ending.
Spare
Ngl my whole play style is stabby stabby so I kicked him off the cliff. I really don’t know how anyone survived in my ending
Spared. It leads to a nice ending if you play your cards right.
I spared him, but with time I’ve come to regret it. What he did was unforgivable. Plus I can’t stand his adopted son.
i spared him mainly bc I was just curious as to what would happen, turns out I got the good ending where everyone lives because of it
Spared I wound up getting the super happy family ending. Was nice
Out of 10+ playthroughs, ive killed him, at least 3x. Stentor ive killed all but 2x. I can't stand that guy. Deimos, all but 2x.
I killed him. That snake deserved it
During my first play through, I killed him.
Killed him the first time. And then also killed him all the other times. HE THREW HIS CHILDREN OFF A CLIFF!!!!!!!
spare hiim!
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA nah let him live, wasnt really his fault so i spared him
Spare
Spared him. He didnt want to do what he did but was lied/manipulated into beleving he HAD to do it. that and if you spare him he says something like "being left to live eith my remorse might just be worse than death".
Killed him. Fuck dads
Spared him and everyone else. No one died in the main family died in my playthrough. Even the adopted brother lol
Spared. Personally although his actions are cruel it can be argued that he was acting on genuine belief that his life would be effectively ended by disobeying. You have to remember that he’s a SPARTAN GENERAL, and as such has had spartan values beaten in to him from a young age. He makes up for his wrongs in many ways as well and shows remorse. He didn’t want to do what he did, he had to.
Spare,to get the best ending
I spared him
Killed him no forgiveness for traitors
I spared him, even though he threw me off a cliff, he did it with suffering, and he's still my father. My Alexios is pretty forgiving with everyone... but not when he's angry for sure.
I spared him, but only because I wanted him to see Sparta falling down and losing every region.
I kept everyone alive and all the fam are LTs on my ship so it’s nice to see the fam all together
I did both. One in each play through
Killed him. 1 minute conversation won't change my mind about him.
Spared since he did teach us to fight and he was the only father figure in our life.
In my NG+ I've just started, I will save him, and try to find a way to kill Stentor, I'm not saving Demios this time though. I've had the whole family twice and on my own once, so going for something different.
Spared. Even though this wasn’t my rationale for sparing him the first time around, you have to consider that in Ancient Greece, being exiled from your polis was considered to be a fate worse than death. In fact, it was the worst fate conceivable for anybody in the Greek world at the time. Even though what Nikolaos did was wrong, it’s possible that he and his family would have been exiled if he hadn’t followed through. Exile is terrible because you lose the protections that the polis confers. You no longer belong to a family, and therefore you will always be a stranger wandering a vast land where you are forever vulnerable. Polis wasn’t just a city-state, it was an identity thing. Regrettably, either option would have sucked ass. Honestly, I learned all of this from my World History Course in university and I’m not all too sure that what I learned is completely accurate, but those are my two cents.