comparative to an '07 saab, aside from the entire car being a computer by contrast, there aren't many quirks.
Do yourself a favor and consider a warranty
Long term is usually due to owner neglect. Change your oil every 5k. Make sure to do trans and transaxle services. Use OEM filters and change them regularly. Stay ahead of the service intervals and you'll be fine.
The reason most cars fail is because people are too dumb or too cheap to treat the car as you they should. Nothing today is made to be ridden hard and put away wet, well, no OEM car at least. ;).
YMMV, there are always outliers. You do your part and the car will do its in most cases.
I came to Audi after decades driving Saabs. (I started with an '86 9000 turbo 5-spd, traded for a 2000 9-5 Aero 5-spd that I drove for a decade before trading it on a '10 9-3 Aero XWD 6-spd.) They were all great cars but, frankly, the Audi is probably the better car. It will require routine maintenance (just like the Saab) although it may be pricier than the Saabs, which are mechanically and electronically somewhat simpler cars. Longevity of the Audi will be anyone's guess, but the biggest variables are always the driver and maintenance, ime.
Good information. I'm trying to get insurance quotes, pretty flabbergasted at the quotes thus far compared with what we pay now. I don't think they are flagged as a high-theft car, so maybe I just need to re-baseline my expectations.
It will be higher since you are comparing a 2007 vs 2024 vehicle. If you are looking at a couple of other vehicles, this will provide a more realistic comparison. Good luck!
Given that you haven't yet driven the car, you might want to consider an A5. My A4 45 TSFI Quattro mild hybrid is damn quick. It surprised me and might surprise you. And the insurance is w-a-y less than an S4/5.
My insurance barely had any difference at all between my A5 and my S5. My S5 is cheaper to insure than my old 6MT GTI was. Because I am apparently no longer a hooligan.
That's surprising!. The insurance on my A4 is comparable to what I paid on my Saab and what we pay for my wife's Mini. The S4/S5 would have been substantially more.
My '19 S5 Sportback is currently dealing with a loss of boost due to a problem with the vacuum system that still hasn't been resolved. They still don't know exactly what it is, it goes back into the shop next week, but they know it wasn't the $750 vacuum actuated coolant valve that was leaking and they replaced. No observed boost leaks, turbo and waste gate seem fine and so far they say the water pump is okay.
The car drives normally otherwise, temps are totally normal, and engine seems perfectly fine, but is way down on boost and therefore overall power. And it's throwing an turbo overspeed turbine code above 4k rpm. It all started during an uphill pull building power when the car was warmed up (195F oil temp).
Was perfectly fine up to 40k miles and now this mysterious mess, sigh. At least I have a Fidelity extended warranty but it's still disheartening.
Yep and I keep on top of all maintenance and do 5k mile oil changes so the people in here saying "you just need to keep on maintenance and it'll be fine" are honestly full of crap. It's luck of the draw as much as anything else with these newer Audi's with overly complicated powertrains and associated cooling and boost setups.
Audi and reliability largely will depend on engine, make/model year and how its life was. You buying a brand new 24 S5 it should be pretty solid considering the 3.0T has been out for some time now and overall seems like a good engine. And you’ll have a warranty off rip so that will be nice.
I wouldn’t recommend doing Audis 10k mile oil changes especially sense they recommend 0w-20 now definitely would do it every 3-5k depending on driving habits and if you live in a hotter climate go more with 5w vs 0.
These engines in typical VAG fashion have PCV issues but the parts to replace aren’t super costly and can be done pretty easily DYI you said you have a trusted mechanic so they will definitely be able to help. Water pumps can be an issue not nearly as common as the EA888s and the oil filter housing gasket can fail causing a leak. Besides some smaller stuff as long as you understand the cost of maintenance will be higher these cars are pretty solid and compared to the Saab will drive so well. I love my 18 S5 to death plan to put 100k on it.
My friend is a Saab fanatic. Has only owned Saab and currently babies his two 95 Aeros both with more than 200l miles on it. He JUST bought a Mercedes e350 awd after a year of debating which car to get. He said it should drive very similar but be more comfortable.
Maintenance wise, your mechanic is right because Saab used forged internals on their engine. To mediate this, I would recommend oil and oil filter change every 5000 miles. This would prevent any damage to engine.
comparative to an '07 saab, aside from the entire car being a computer by contrast, there aren't many quirks. Do yourself a favor and consider a warranty Long term is usually due to owner neglect. Change your oil every 5k. Make sure to do trans and transaxle services. Use OEM filters and change them regularly. Stay ahead of the service intervals and you'll be fine. The reason most cars fail is because people are too dumb or too cheap to treat the car as you they should. Nothing today is made to be ridden hard and put away wet, well, no OEM car at least. ;). YMMV, there are always outliers. You do your part and the car will do its in most cases.
I came to Audi after decades driving Saabs. (I started with an '86 9000 turbo 5-spd, traded for a 2000 9-5 Aero 5-spd that I drove for a decade before trading it on a '10 9-3 Aero XWD 6-spd.) They were all great cars but, frankly, the Audi is probably the better car. It will require routine maintenance (just like the Saab) although it may be pricier than the Saabs, which are mechanically and electronically somewhat simpler cars. Longevity of the Audi will be anyone's guess, but the biggest variables are always the driver and maintenance, ime.
Good information. I'm trying to get insurance quotes, pretty flabbergasted at the quotes thus far compared with what we pay now. I don't think they are flagged as a high-theft car, so maybe I just need to re-baseline my expectations.
I believe insurance costs are driven largely by accident rates for each vehicle. No doubt more powerful vehicles come with higher rates in general.
It will be higher since you are comparing a 2007 vs 2024 vehicle. If you are looking at a couple of other vehicles, this will provide a more realistic comparison. Good luck!
Given that you haven't yet driven the car, you might want to consider an A5. My A4 45 TSFI Quattro mild hybrid is damn quick. It surprised me and might surprise you. And the insurance is w-a-y less than an S4/5.
Yep for sure not sold on the S5 yet but want to ensure I go in having an idea of total cost of ownership.
Oh, understood. Insurance cost is a factor, especially with these cars.
My insurance barely had any difference at all between my A5 and my S5. My S5 is cheaper to insure than my old 6MT GTI was. Because I am apparently no longer a hooligan.
That's surprising!. The insurance on my A4 is comparable to what I paid on my Saab and what we pay for my wife's Mini. The S4/S5 would have been substantially more.
My '19 S5 Sportback is currently dealing with a loss of boost due to a problem with the vacuum system that still hasn't been resolved. They still don't know exactly what it is, it goes back into the shop next week, but they know it wasn't the $750 vacuum actuated coolant valve that was leaking and they replaced. No observed boost leaks, turbo and waste gate seem fine and so far they say the water pump is okay. The car drives normally otherwise, temps are totally normal, and engine seems perfectly fine, but is way down on boost and therefore overall power. And it's throwing an turbo overspeed turbine code above 4k rpm. It all started during an uphill pull building power when the car was warmed up (195F oil temp). Was perfectly fine up to 40k miles and now this mysterious mess, sigh. At least I have a Fidelity extended warranty but it's still disheartening.
That's frustrating for sure...
Yep and I keep on top of all maintenance and do 5k mile oil changes so the people in here saying "you just need to keep on maintenance and it'll be fine" are honestly full of crap. It's luck of the draw as much as anything else with these newer Audi's with overly complicated powertrains and associated cooling and boost setups.
Audi and reliability largely will depend on engine, make/model year and how its life was. You buying a brand new 24 S5 it should be pretty solid considering the 3.0T has been out for some time now and overall seems like a good engine. And you’ll have a warranty off rip so that will be nice. I wouldn’t recommend doing Audis 10k mile oil changes especially sense they recommend 0w-20 now definitely would do it every 3-5k depending on driving habits and if you live in a hotter climate go more with 5w vs 0. These engines in typical VAG fashion have PCV issues but the parts to replace aren’t super costly and can be done pretty easily DYI you said you have a trusted mechanic so they will definitely be able to help. Water pumps can be an issue not nearly as common as the EA888s and the oil filter housing gasket can fail causing a leak. Besides some smaller stuff as long as you understand the cost of maintenance will be higher these cars are pretty solid and compared to the Saab will drive so well. I love my 18 S5 to death plan to put 100k on it.
When I drove my first audi, I came from an old Asian car, and it felt like I had stepped in a "real" car for the first time. There's no comparison.
My friend is a Saab fanatic. Has only owned Saab and currently babies his two 95 Aeros both with more than 200l miles on it. He JUST bought a Mercedes e350 awd after a year of debating which car to get. He said it should drive very similar but be more comfortable.
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Have a great Saab mechanic who also does other imports so would continue to go to him I think.
Maintenance wise, your mechanic is right because Saab used forged internals on their engine. To mediate this, I would recommend oil and oil filter change every 5000 miles. This would prevent any damage to engine.
If you buy new then I guess it doesn’t matter but imo newer cars are incredibly complicated and probably aren’t likely to last super long