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deonisfun

Had your finger hovering over that post button!


ruinawish

OP is omnipresent on reddit.


My_Ticklish_Taint

Wonder if they had two versions ready


ww2_nut37

I just want milk that tastes like real milk.


ParkerLewisCL

Without all the fat


ww2_nut37

Yes, but I'd actually like the rate to be either 4.25 or 4.5%. This 4.35% is messing with my OCD


Stepawayfrmthkyboard

Next meeting RBA lowers rate to 4.34%


ww2_nut37

And kaos ensues . I do just wish the RBA would rip the band-aid off and just go to 4.75%


TBNK88

*Without all the fiat.


Jealous-Hedgehog-734

Vibez don't support a hike. You have to ride the feels like a true economist.


ResponsibleBike8804

It must be the only job where you can be wrong all the time and stay employed.


YungSchmid

Don’t forget the meteorologists!


ResponsibleBike8804

Haha there you go..


Alternative_Bowl5433

100% chance of weather tomorrow. I got you.


Alternative_Bowl5433

Wait. I can be wrong all the time. What do these guys even do?


nevdka

They can be wrong *with data*


marketrent

• *Over the year to April, the monthly CPI indicator rose by 3.6 per cent in headline terms, and by 4.1 per cent excluding volatile items and holiday travel, which was similar to its pace in December 2023.* • *The central forecasts published in May were for inflation to return to the target range of 2–3 per cent in the second half of 2025 and to the midpoint in 2026.* • *Since then, there have been indications that momentum in economic activity is weak, including slow growth in GDP, a rise in the unemployment rate and slower-than-expected wages growth.* • *The persistence of services price inflation is a key uncertainty.* • *There has also been an increase in wealth, driven by housing prices.* • *But there is a risk that household consumption picks up more slowly than expected, resulting in continued subdued output growth and a noticeable deterioration in the labour market.*


Jealous-Hedgehog-734

Rise in unemployment? I thought unemployment came down to 4.0%


jto00

Last meeting was 7 May and at the time seasonally adjusted unemployment was at 3.8%


marketrent

*Conditions in the labour market eased further over the past month but remain tighter than is consistent with sustained full employment and inflation at target.*


MentalMachine

>The persistence of services price inflation is a key uncertainty Is this not the cemet blocks around the country's feet atm (and for the last year++)? I get why no one wants to talk about it (eg no one wants to hurt the cash cow), but still...


YouCanCallMeBazza

> There has also been an increase in wealth, driven by housing prices. There has also been an increase in poverty, driven by housing prices.


Duramajin

Rates aren't moving anywhere until our big daddy starts cutting rates.


tickletackle666

..oh yes daddy...


Jealous-Hedgehog-734

Don't fight the FED. Deploy the old jawbone to try to make people believe you might. Actually by cutting the ECB may take some infkation pressure off over the rest of this year.


mymongoose

the Fed now has the government lobbying it (literally writing letters) asking it to cut - the treasury is screwed if they need to keep financing their multi trillion deficits at 5% 😉


PlatinumSphere

"While recent data have been mixed, they have reinforced the need to remain vigilant to upside risks to inflation" RBA. Without the NDIS underpinning employment growth in healthcare, and other inflationary relief measures under the government (e.g. tax cut we'd probably be talking about the RBA cutting rates today. At the end of the day, Australia is stuck between a rock & a hard place and there's certainly no relief in immediate sight.


ReeceAUS

Are we half-way through the lost decade yet?


Chii

aus has not gotten a lost decade the way japan has. We are nowhere near.


Alternative_Bowl5433

I think they lost a really long decade over there. I was reading a book today (unrelated to finance) that mentioned NTT (a Japanese telecom company) having a market cap higher than the top 3 US companies combined. I was like wtf is this book from the 90's, checked the publication date and it was 1992. Times have changed. Also, the jpy exchange rate is on par with rates from the 80s.


budget_variance

A very interesting doco on the same topic: https://youtu.be/lmnVP35uZFY?si=kkny2Xw4wLwgaYQ-


Luckyluke23

just you wait man. it's coming for us soon enough.


Accomplished-Term-54

yes but that is the bare minimum


skyblue-7

Guys! I bet early 2026 will have a first cut! 🥴


NixAName

I can guarantee you that you 100% have a chance of being correct.


pk1950

just in time for the elections, u mean?


cunt-fucka

I thank the RBA for preventing hyperinflation.


shagtownboi69

stage 3 tax cuts soon


Luckyluke23

think of that inflation!


whatamassivecunt

But not as they were legislated!


YouCanCallMeBazza

As somebody who stood to gain more under the original stage 3 - good.


aupsymonkee

Genuine ignorant question. How much of this is driven by corporate profiteering and if it's substantial why isn't that a simpler way to tackle it? Would policies like Monopoly regulation etc affect inflation in a positive way?


smackmn

Less substantial than what has been made out in some sections of the media. Housing is the big issue - largest weighting in the CPI bucket and was still tracking at close to 5% in annual terms at the Q1 print. Strong migration coupled with supply constraints is, at the very least, partly to blame.


Yamaguchi_Mr

You aren't wrong. Our inflation position is not being helped thanks to toothless fiscal policy. The RBA's mandate is monetary policy only, so they can only do so much to influence inflation.


petergaskin814

Facebook users are up in arms. Some wanting the promised rate decreases. General public are no better informed on interest rate changes than under previous boss of RBA. Maybe house buyers will now appreciate that interest rates are not falling any time soon and reduce offers when buying property


Airboomba

That mindset will take time to filter through. We’ve basically had a generation of people who have only known falling rates and accelerating house prices.


Luckyluke23

they will DIE before the housing price falls. they wont allow it.


Airboomba

Sadly, it’s properly true that the government has sold out future generations from the property market.


_Zambayoshi_

House buyers operate on FOMO, not foresight.


TheBottomLine_Aus

For many people the best financial decisions they can make is buying a house. The ability to at least save some of your own money as equity is so important if you're looking for a long term way to get ahead. It reasonable for the buyer, it still is a sound decision.


Chazwazza_

A 20+ year mortgage should consider more than just <5 years in advance. Previous government ramming through FHB and super for housing is quite literally squeezing the last drop. I'm getting ads for <2% deposit loans on Reddit right now. If you can borrow a million dollars with barely 20k saved, then the value of a house is almost entirely independent of your financial situation, and entirely dependant on how much debt you're allowed to take on. The more you borrow the more at risk you are if interest rate movements. With a large sum borrowed on margin, even the tiniest interest rate change can wipe you out. So those taking their first steps into the market are disproportionately exposed to higher risk compared to someone with only 30% remaining. Not to mention the risk of house prices falling and trapping you in a no equity situation. Housing is, ultimately, a high margin gamble. I can't borrow money for the stock market without maintaining a maximum 50% LVR, but for some reason housing is allowed up to 98%? That seems like a reckless financial decision with a 100% full send pray it lands on black or you're sleeping in the gutter mentality to me


biggirthzucchini

Fear of Stuck Renting is what I had when I won my house last year, and it’s legit.


fadeawaythegay

More cost of living relief credit and tax cuts for everyone. I'm sure those will help.


zrag123

Hold gang with another w 😎


Icy-Ad-1261

Rents are a lagging indicator and they keep going up. Rents will keep inflation higher for longer than expected unless the economy breaks first


superhappykid

50% housing crash here we come!


prettyboiclique

THE GREAT HOUSING CRASH OF 202~~2~~ ~~3~~ 4 APPROACHES


SayNoEgalitarianism

I think you mean. 201~~5~~ ~~6~~ ~~7~~ ~~8~~ ~~9~~ 202~~0~~ ~~1~~ ~~2~~ ~~3~~ 4


TheSciences

The crash was six weeks away when I bought in 2004.


Spicey_Cough2019

Perth still only 5 years from their last bottom


7omdogs

Perth housing growth tracks the iron ore price, its very different from the rest of the Australian housing market. (Its also tiny in comparison)


Spicey_Cough2019

Bingo Investors are going to have a rude awakening.


dgarbutt

Especially the more recent ones who picked up "bargains" in Armadale.


Spicey_Cough2019

Ah yes The crack addicts wet dream is also an investors wet dream.


Luckyluke23

so what does this mean going forward? i live in Perth and looking to buy


Barmy90

Drop an f in the chat for our boy WMR


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Jealous-Hedgehog-734

This is the problem with these kind of forecasts, a forecast that's been wrong for years may eventually be proven correct but if you's stayed out for that long you're unlikely to have made any money staying out.


rnzz

also then you start thinking how many years you have aged throughout that time and get even more depressed


Ok_Bird705

They are still waiting for the fixed mortgage cliff that was suppose to come in late 2022


encyaus

People are still going over the cliff currently, most just underestimated how prepared they were for it


superhappykid

We need to just remind these people to keep posting. They were so loud a few years ago and now they don't post anymore. Why won't they post anymore? I need them to come back out.


spiderpig_spiderpig_

4-5-6 years since last hike to hit bottom of market. I'll stick to my guns, and probably be wrong, but that's OK.


Admiral-Barbarossa

Fat chance, so many cashed up people waiting to move to Australia atm. If Government sees a house price fall, they will grant citizens ship to who ever buys a house for over 1m.


R1cjet

They don't even need to bring in cashed up immigrants because even poor immigrants have to live somewhere, even if it's ten to an apartment. The government only cares about making sure investors don't sell for a loss.


Admiral-Barbarossa

Chatting with a pest control guy when I had my place sprayed, 6 to 8 to an appointment is normal for 2 bedroom.  10 to 12 if it's a 3 bedroom appointment. He says the Cumberland council area in NSW is the worst as the council turns a blind eye to it. But the other are catching up. He wasn't complaining as it giving him business.


Fortune_Cat

10 people in a 3 bedroom?? Wtf


superhappykid

Lol I was just joking, but just remember. We need to bring it up from time to time to remind the doomsayers that it could seriously just happen any minute now.


DownWithWankers

If Canada doesn't crash, I can't see australia crashing either.


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R1cjet

> Aus is only propped up by gov. Aus is propped up by our ridiculously high immigration rate which is set by government


petro292

Realistically it's mainly just government policy regarding taxation and approvals. See Melbourne for an example when property incentives are reduced as an investment


R1cjet

None of that changes the fact that the demand for housing still outweighs the supply and demand is growing faster than supply. Nothing the Victorian government has done has made housing more affordable by any significant amount.


petro292

Supply is impacted by approvals and approval timelines? Have a look at the approval days in NSW compared to overseas. It's like a few months vs 7 days This in addition to approvals for high density


Herosinahalfshell12

Well the RBA think the global economy is in a trough, and unlikely to go down from here. Sounds incredibly like Phil's nah can't see it until 2024


Routine_Seaweed_3363

What a shock. Despite what the pundits say… Jerome Powell is still our Daddy. Until the US move we won’t do anything.


LongjumpingTwist1124

This will hurt a lot of people. It's all about area under the curve. And it's a lot of area right now.


Theghostofgoya

The government needs to cut spending as they are contributing to the prolonged inflation e.g. NDIS, tax cuts, First homeowner grants, utilities handouts, high migration, terrible housing investment incentives etc etc. Sometimes it feels like this country is run by bumbling amateurs not serious people.


spiderpig_spiderpig_

Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.


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idontlikeradiation

Do you ever get sick of being downvoted , because your comments suggest you don't


R1cjet

How do you compete with a business that doesn't have to pay the same wages you pay, that doesn't have to adhere to the same safety or environmental standards, that doesn't require the same amount of permits and approvals and isn't subject to the same quality standards you are?


7omdogs

Lots of the solutions to decreasing inflation are incredibly unpopular. The best way to reduce inflation would actually be a way to tax people without a mortgage (i.e. mostly pensioners). Guess whats incredibly unpopular? Taxing pensioners. Its not always the government, its the average voter, and this country gets the politicians it deserves


Airboomba

Make the PPOR in the asset test for the pension. No point the boomer living in a multi million dollar house collecting welfare.


magic_patch

Increase the superannuation guarantee.


LongjumpingTwist1124

None of that addresses the cost of food, or housing. Which are both private sector problem spaces.


clarky2481

Utilities subsidies reduce headline inflation did you actually read it?


PM_ME_PLASTIC_BAGS

Economists hate this one simple trick! Just because subsidies manipulate the calculation used to track inflation doesn't mean the actual effect won't happen. Eventually it's gonna flow through to the figures.


Theghostofgoya

It is giving people more money when high rates are trying to reduce the amount of money they have. In contributes to defeating the purpose of high rates


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nah. they need to tax anyone who earns money without working. ie landlords, asset owners, all types of investor etc.


Theghostofgoya

Yes that as well


WTF-BOOM

why is migration inflationary? the average migrant produces more than the average local.


petergaskin814

Migration increases demand. Unless supply increases to match increase in demand, prices increase. Look at house prices and rents


WTF-BOOM

please read what I said. the average migrant produces more than the average local, that means the balance of supply and demand tips towards supply from immigration.


R1cjet

Wrong. The biggest driver of inflation is house prices and the average migrant is not building an entire house as soon as they enter the country. We had 100,000 migrants enter the country in a single month this year and we had nowhere near that many houses built.


WTF-BOOM

you're picking one area, I'm talking average across everything, so I'll say it again, the average migrant produces more than the average local.


crovaxascendanthero

Have you got any studies on this? Would be interesting to read


R1cjet

> the average migrant produces more than the average local. Even if that were true it doesn't change the fact that migration is the cause of the housing crisis and the housing crisis is causing the inflation and cost of living crisis


WTF-BOOM

have you considered maybe it's more complicated than that?


Icy-Ad-1261

You’re the one repeating a slogan without any evidence. In general, Migration reduces wages, increases production capacity and increases the cost of housing. Now guess which one the RBA keeps pointing to as a problem? Inflation is stuck because of the rental crisis. Migration increases aggregate demand so that makes the pollies look good and business lobby is happy but it pushes up rents and this is a major factor in current services inflation


Theghostofgoya

New migrants tend to spend money as they need to buy goods and spend on services to set themselves up. This increases demand which can have an inflationary effect. High levels of migration also certainly contribute to the worse housing affordability and availability crisis this country has every had. Our population has increased about 40% in 20 years, do you think this could have an effect on housing in anyway?


WTF-BOOM

you seem to think inflation is exclusively a property prices thing.


Theghostofgoya

Do i? please tell me more what i think


WTF-BOOM

> please tell me more what i think you apparently think I care about continuing a conversation with you.


TheRealStringerBell

The problem is Australia doesn't have any housing supply so every migrant that comes over contributes to inflation/cost of living in the short term.


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WTF-BOOM

do you know what the word "average" means?


Nervous-Masterpiece4

If the Australia Club can just keep my HISA rate high while the housing market crashes then I can jump in and buy some cheap houses. Beats the hell out of investing in the pathetic capital losses of the ASX.


biggirthzucchini

And if my granny had wheels she’d be a bicycle.


dizzzhy

& government is not meant to influence rate decisions... Especially with the skewed way that we measure CPI - I wonder what true inflation is...


one-man-circlejerk

> Broader data indicate continuing excess demand in the economy, coupled with elevated domestic cost pressures, for both labour and non-labour inputs. Conditions in the labour market eased further over the past month but remain tighter than is consistent with sustained full employment and inflation at target. Wages growth appears to have peaked but is still above the level that can be sustained given trend productivity growth. If you're a wage earner it's the stated goal of the RBA to take money out of your pocket.


Chumbouquet69

>If you're a wage earner it's the stated goal of the RBA to take money out of your pocket. RBA along with the rest of the political and economic system


reversepansear

does seem like that a bit - would their view change if productivity growth improved? it seems to imply it productivity growth is better then we would see and it would justify wages growth. how are we even trying to improve productivity growth?


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more like Lib/Lab RBA can only do so much, government has to, you know? *govern.*


second_last_jedi

higher for longer is here to stay....


Nedshent

TIL 4.35% is 'higher'.


dleifreganad

Home loan repayments as a percentage of household income is definitely “higher”


Nedshent

Well the RBAs mandate isn’t as simple as giving home buyers as easy access to credit as humanly possible. I know it’s not talked about too much but RBA cash rate effects so much more than home loans.


joeban1

cry more brother


Nedshent

Cry about what exactly? Rates being roughly in-line with long term averages? I think a hike would be good for the economy and Australians as a whole but I'm quite set personally.


joeban1

yeah and average house price/mortgage size has far exceeded wage growth. comparing with long term averages isn't exactly the right approach in this case.


Nedshent

The part about me crying is what had me confused. Not sure why house prices increasing would make me sad. Despite that I wouldn’t mind a hike even though I’m well aware that has a negative effect on property prices growing. Edit: They blocked me or deleted a comment that replied to this saying I missed the point and that long term averages don't apply to our current situation, so I'm putting what I had typed out as my reply here: You might believe that the long term average doesn't apply but it's not a given. I’ve heard the sentiment before but I haven’t personally seen a good case for it being made, on the flip side we’re all currently witnessing how bargain basement rates can completely turn things on their head in really negative ways.


ImMalteserMan

How is reverting to some arbitrary long term average of rates even relevant in trying to control inflation? Makes no sense IMO and is just the crutch of people who want rates higher because they think they will be able to cash in on some housing collapse which isn't coming.


joeban1

i've not deleted anything, you are literally replying to that comment still in your edit.


Nedshent

Yeah sometimes Reddit is weird on phone, on my end it was just an error message saying to try again later, which is similar/the same as when you try to reply to someone who blocked you or to a deleted comment.


v306

Not the only one thinking hike would be good 👍


dleifreganad

Stage 3 tax cuts are equivalent to x2 25 bps cash rate cuts


evenmore2

It should be obvious that wages are not the cause of inflation by now.


dleifreganad

I didn’t say they were. Stage 3 tax cuts aren’t about wage rises but they will be inflationary in the sense they put more money in people’s pockets, particularly at a time when the savings rate is so low


Late-Ad5827

Sweet might buy myself a coffee tomorrow


Jealous-Hedgehog-734

Don't tell them ahead of time or they'll raise coffee prices tomorrow to take profit.


Late-Ad5827

Well coffees are up to 7 now at some places.


Gorgonzola4Ever

Big spender


pepe196969

Feds & States created inflation and drive it currently. How does increasing interest rates help? Busting the middle class doesn’t work. Our ageing population with cash earning interest & properties worth plenty are spending like never before! Time for lateral thinking & considered change before we pop! Not far to go……


warzonexx

So... Can I go back to buying smashed avo?


Passtheshavingcream

Tough position for the RBA. Even though they have very little to do with inflation and cost of living, a drop in the rates will signal strongly the Government is all-in on maintaining the status quo. The lives of everyone who have not benefitted from the assets growth rise (those under 45) will be so so bad that the Government may achieve a majority population (18-45 age group) on medication. This will make the current and future voting blocks easy to manage.


FoolOfAGalatian

Didn't make it onto the housing ladder? Then enjoy paying the inflation tax while we inflate away the big debts people have taken on. They win and you don't.


investastrix

They simply do whatever the Fed does in USA. Wonder if they have any idea what they are doing.


Nuclearwormwood

Won't come down till recession hits


ParkerLewisCL

We have been in a recession for a while, whether we have to wait for migration to drop far enough for it to show in the official figures doesn’t change that.


ItsAZooKeeper

Keep it up is what I say I enjoy all this free money in my HISA!


SnoweCat7

After inflation and tax you might even break even!


MetaphorTR

Doubt. Someone earning $45,001 – $135,000 pays 32% tax & Medicare. If they earn 5% on HISA, they pay 1.6% in tax = after tax return of 3.4%. The latest inflation reading was 3.6%. Therefore going backwards by 0.2%. Anyone earning more than this bracket is going backward faster. Anyone earning less than this bracket is only marginally ahead, and are probably much worse off overall due to significant cost of living increases over recent years. These HISA people are living in their own world if they think this is 'free money'.


arabsandals

Now do mortgage offsets


aussie_nub

Except many of us are earning 5.5%. 32% tax is 3.74% which is above 3.6%. And for some of us, we have fixed rate loans at 1.99% still, so it *is* free money.


big_cock_lach

If you’re 1.99% mortgage is more then your savings, then you’re earning 3.51%. Factor in that your mortgage isn’t tax deductible, that becomes 1.75% after tax. You’d be losing 1.85% after tax and inflation. This becomes even worse if your mortgage is more then your savings which is the case for most people with a mortgage. As for those who are saving, anyone paying more then 32% tax or have more then $100k in savings (only 2 banks offer 5.5% rates, and it’s limited to balances under $100k) will be behind after tax and inflation.


aussie_nub

What? What is this bullshit logic you've cooked up? If you'd be paying off your mortgage instead, you're up. Simple as that. The question is whether or not you'd be better off with the money in shares than your mortgage, but if the intent is to put it back as you're coming off your loan, then the risk is great and you're effectively getting 6% going forward.


big_cock_lach

I’m saying you’d be better off with the same savings and no debt, even if the debt is fixed at a low rate. Edit: And regardless of the options you’ve provided, you’re probably down after tax inflation anyway.


ItsAZooKeeper

Woah inflation! Tax! Buzzwords! I enjoy all this **free** **money** while the interest rates are high. Only those with a mortage are upset over anyone with a HISA


biggirthzucchini

I don’t think those with a property and tax free offsets think about your HISAs at all.


Fortune_Cat

I noticed term deposits are sub 5% now. Glad I locked in 2 years above 5


theballsdick

Fools. The best time to cut was 1 year ago. The second best time was today.  Oh well, time will prove me right.


JesusKeyboard

Need to up it. 


Overitallforyears

I totally agree .  The pop up campers and tents in the local park down the road arnt increasing quick enough ..  We need more homeless and poor ,STAT….


Sproosemagoose

Need to keep it where it is.


Hasra23

The next meeting will include 4 weeks of the new tax cuts, probably too soon for any increased spending to be seen. So I think it's likely that they increase rates in mid September.


redroowa

Rates will have to rise, and spending will have to slow to tame inflation.


Fantastic-Network-40

They are too scared to increase it cause of backlash over households doing it tough. Will be very interesting in August now pollies got their wage increase and other wage rises occurring. They will have to decide do I put the rate up as it should be done or leave it at 4.35 and keep my job.