Yeah leave ASAP so you aren't training up the new person. Let your boss train them.
So awful that they didn't tell you about the role and encourage you to apply.
I'm not saying it's fair at all, just recognising it'll be a hell of a complaint process to go through to *maybe* have an end result where you just get to keep your original job and duties. If you know your boss won't promote you and you have this negative experience working with them, I'm not sure why you'd want to stay working for them. I'd hate knowing there is no promotion possibility and that my manager would rather a new hire over me. Fastest way to resolve a negative working situation or progress in the public service is a sideways move. If you'd rather sit there and watch this situation play out then go for it. If you're looking for advice on a specific complaint process to raise instead of career advice, maybe specify that in your post.
It's just how it plays out some times. Your workplace doesn't owe you anything. Just move on or get comfortable being a VPS4 on lighter, cruiser duties.
Do the minimum ALWAYS.
If not, you are a stupid tool contributing to ever decreasing salaries and increasing workload.
The new VPS EA is a fucking joke.
Fixed term for 3 years? BA doing accounts payable?
Are you a technical BA or a business process one?
This sounds like a bit of a shitshow and I'd be looking for another role - don't burn your bridges but use JSE and Vic gov intranet, look for secondment opportunities and new roles.
I’m a permanent Business Analyst at VPS4. They advertised a vps5 fixed term 3 years position and they used my duties for the vps5. I am now left with doing accounts payable type work and chasing up invoices and any at hoc transactional duties. Good idea, thank you. ☺️
Your manager may have been told "no, you can't tap your 4 on their shoulder and tell them to apply, that looks like favouritism."
They told you that they had a position in the team, yes? That was the cue to apply for it. As a 4, you're expected to apply for short term 5 roles, and secondments to broaden your experience.
No I didn’t apply because it was advertised as a fixed term for 3 years. I’m not sure as to whether it then can be ongoing, but I didn’t expect the duties to be taken away from my VPS4 and given to the newly appointed VPS5.
Public or Private, you don’t need to wait for someone to invite you to apply for internal positions as long as you meet the policies for internal hiring (e.g being in your current role for at least a year etc)
probably because it’s a fixed term role? Would you want your current role changed from perm to fixed? These are just usual things you need to consider.
Fixed term for 3 yrs at a VPS5 would have been good, getting paid at that grade doing the same work that I did in my VPS4 level. I could have had a better opportunity to apply for other permanent VPS5 jobs that would be advertised within the 3 years and maybe better chance to apply for VPS6 at the end of the fixed term role. Now, I have no development and no opportunities for advancement to a higher grade. The newly appointed VPS5 has a better chance than me to get a permanent VPS5 in the department over me as my duties now have been given to them and I’m left with chasing up invoices and adhoc transactional duties that are really a VpS 2/3 level.
Sounds like you've gotten everything possible from this position and also learned there's a ceiling in place for your growth. Time to move on.
Yeah leave ASAP so you aren't training up the new person. Let your boss train them. So awful that they didn't tell you about the role and encourage you to apply.
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I'm not saying it's fair at all, just recognising it'll be a hell of a complaint process to go through to *maybe* have an end result where you just get to keep your original job and duties. If you know your boss won't promote you and you have this negative experience working with them, I'm not sure why you'd want to stay working for them. I'd hate knowing there is no promotion possibility and that my manager would rather a new hire over me. Fastest way to resolve a negative working situation or progress in the public service is a sideways move. If you'd rather sit there and watch this situation play out then go for it. If you're looking for advice on a specific complaint process to raise instead of career advice, maybe specify that in your post.
Totally understand, thank you so much
It's just how it plays out some times. Your workplace doesn't owe you anything. Just move on or get comfortable being a VPS4 on lighter, cruiser duties.
I know that the duties are much lighter, but I’m worried that there might be a restructure and my duties are no loss to the dept.
Take your break or vacation days available and move in to different dept
Do the minimum while you look for a new job
Do the minimum ALWAYS. If not, you are a stupid tool contributing to ever decreasing salaries and increasing workload. The new VPS EA is a fucking joke.
Why would I be contributing to the decreasing salaries ???
You lost me at stupid tool.
Yep every year they screw us over with insultingly low pay rises, I reduce my output accordingly. They get what they pay for.
Fixed term for 3 years? BA doing accounts payable? Are you a technical BA or a business process one? This sounds like a bit of a shitshow and I'd be looking for another role - don't burn your bridges but use JSE and Vic gov intranet, look for secondment opportunities and new roles.
I’m a permanent Business Analyst at VPS4. They advertised a vps5 fixed term 3 years position and they used my duties for the vps5. I am now left with doing accounts payable type work and chasing up invoices and any at hoc transactional duties. Good idea, thank you. ☺️
Sounds like you should have applied for the job?
I didn’t apply because it’s a fixed term and there was no indication that it would be all of my duties.
Your manager may have been told "no, you can't tap your 4 on their shoulder and tell them to apply, that looks like favouritism." They told you that they had a position in the team, yes? That was the cue to apply for it. As a 4, you're expected to apply for short term 5 roles, and secondments to broaden your experience.
No one told the unit until we heard they were interviewing.
That's shit. They've basically changed your job, and shifted your old duties to a fixed-term. I reckon it's time to find another role.
Well, in that instance, you absolutely got screwed and I'd personally be looking for a secondment.
I have come to realisation that it’s true. I’ll start looking elsewhere, but it’s obviously not fair. I love the dept but this does suck 😞
It's very unfair. Look for secondments and fixed term positions in the department first, but get out of that team.
Thank you will start looking, it’s not good for my mental health.
Hey diva we talked formerly on my own vps post. We are in similar positions. Care to DM?
Did you apply for the 5 position?
No I didn’t apply because it was advertised as a fixed term for 3 years. I’m not sure as to whether it then can be ongoing, but I didn’t expect the duties to be taken away from my VPS4 and given to the newly appointed VPS5.
Public or Private, you don’t need to wait for someone to invite you to apply for internal positions as long as you meet the policies for internal hiring (e.g being in your current role for at least a year etc)
I didn’t know the advert was even up until we heard the manager was conducting interviews for the VPS5 position
probably because it’s a fixed term role? Would you want your current role changed from perm to fixed? These are just usual things you need to consider.
Fixed term for 3 yrs at a VPS5 would have been good, getting paid at that grade doing the same work that I did in my VPS4 level. I could have had a better opportunity to apply for other permanent VPS5 jobs that would be advertised within the 3 years and maybe better chance to apply for VPS6 at the end of the fixed term role. Now, I have no development and no opportunities for advancement to a higher grade. The newly appointed VPS5 has a better chance than me to get a permanent VPS5 in the department over me as my duties now have been given to them and I’m left with chasing up invoices and adhoc transactional duties that are really a VpS 2/3 level.
We only found out it was advertised when they were holding interviews. No one told the unit.
I've been in similar situations. Time to move on, they don't value you
It’s sad in that I do enjoy the dept, but I have come to the realisation that they don’t value me.
It's really disappointing.
Was there potential to asked for a secondment onto the VPS5 if you wanted to protect your substantive role?
There was no opportunity for that. It was a straight out newly created vps5 fixed term for 3 years