Wow... GA is strict. It's hard as hell to get another states rebuilt title inspected and passed in GA, but what's funny is if you have a GA rebuilt title and sell it to someone in Alabama who registers it in AL and then sells it back to someone in GA it "washes" the title and now you have a clean title car again.
It was cut out and welded in a new piece. It's just as solid as before if anything it WONT crumple since they cut out part of the crumple zone. You want a car to crumple in a collision. If it stays intact then you will get hurt much worse it's called a crumple zone. Cars are designed to crush themselves to absorb impacts. Btw you do realize this is what all body shops do in the USA? You pull out the damage. Cut out what can't be fixed find a donor car cut the same section out and then weld it into the damaged car. Its the only way to fix cars otherwise any damage at all would total a vehicle. Heat softens metal allows it to be pulled easier. Body shops do this this isn't a cheap way of doing. They also use this same exact setup to straighten vehicle frames that are bent or twisted in an impact.
Yes, with those trunk crumple bars already used and compromised. Next rear end is not going to stop that the tire, but the steering wheel. At least they welded a new bumper bar on to the back so the crush will be even for all occupants and there will be no hard (or any) feelings.
Sorry. Maybe a dumb question, but can you elaborate? Why is it incorrect? Is it the loss of structural integrity for future crashes? Or something else?
Yeah the metal is brittle now. Next crash the metal will crack instead of bending. The act of bending is what absorbs the energy of the crash.
It's also possible for the repaired area to migrate as the metal is now full of internal stress. The gaps look good now but how will they look in 5k miles
The correct way to repair is to drill out all the welds on the damaged panels and weld in undamaged donor parts.
Yknow how if you bend thin metal (like a paperclip) back and forth it eventually breaks? That’s what this guys doing. That metal has been weakened beyond repair
Not only that but heating the metal to the point it anneals isn’t a great idea but I just work with copper. Shit gets hella soft until you bend it a few times
It’s sad to see the comments on the other subreddit this was posted in. People really think we don’t fix this kind of shit because we are lazy or something. They would rather be dead than have to spend a little more fixing shit right.
Even better! It’s extra crumply! You’ve always said you want to see your loved ones in heaven first?
Well! Slap them in the backseat of this bad boy! Don’t worry the seatbelts are optional. They’re used as well! So even if you do want to survive, WE JUST REDUCED YOUR CHANCES BY 85%!!!
*all said in a game show announcer’s voice.
The problem is metal that is crumpled once will not crumple the same way the next time... now throw in the unknown heating of that car and god only knows how it will crumple compared to how it was designed to crumple.
That stuff doesn’t get fixed here in the states man for a good reason. I would imagine if they could afford to do the job the right way they would do it. This person is skilled enough. We see shit roll into shops that shouldn’t be on the road in any country.
It’s just “cheaper” and “easier” to replace in some places. Not saying any of this is right by safety standards, but it looks good. Apparently that’s what these people care about.
No thats not what 'these' people care about. Cars are prohibitively expensive out there, any car in the price range available to them will be a similarly written off death trap so if you can afford to superficially hide the damage you may as well do that. They have a different use in that city travel is slow and more about moving large volumes of people and things short distances rather than high speed, long commutes.
I think theres a lot of ignorance from people in these western dominated message boards, they have zero access to finance, the cars are all imports and usually zombies from the 1980s or 1990s tottering on. New cars are the preserve of the super wealthy. No one wants to drive their family around in a car they know won't protect them, but its actually quite a minor risk in the grander scheme of things.
So yea 'these' people aren't so different from us... They just live a different, more stark, reality to the people frequenting reddit.
Not just the states,, in Norway also. That car is trash. But in the midle-east region trust me, they dont give a fuck. Make one car from 3 cars? No problems. Roof from one. Front from 2. and rear from last car. Source? Im from Turkey. Its nuts how litle they give a F about annother human life generally.
All these people downvoting... Sitting on their thrones of superiority, unwilling to recognize the reality that *poor people have to accept more risk in order to survive.*
They sneer down their noses as they proclaim "Let the poor walk 6 miles to and from work each way, as I've declared it completely unacceptable to drive a vehicle with only 60% of its original manufacturing crash protection."
No sense of reality, no sense of compromise; just arrogance and cruelty.
Way too many kinks in inner structures, and #1 rule was broken by using heat while pulling. If you know anything about HSS OR UHSS, heat is a big no no. It was not done correctly
I follow an Indian Youtube channel about fixing crashed trucks. They are really skilled in that area, but my main concern is that they often care about the cosmetics and those trucks are pretty much useless after those repairs.
All these third world repairs are all cosmetic with no concern for crash structure or safety. This thing will fold up like a cheap tin can next time it’s rear ended.
Yet they'll total out a new Z06 with the same kind of damage.
Apparently in Europe, or German, they don't have salvage titles, so I guess you can wreck a car, fix it, and sell it to someone without having to tell them that it had been in a accident.
That's putting it very broadly. Granted some country's can be more dodgy. But if a car is written off then its documented and will be part of its history.
This isn't how it's done in Europe, sure you'll find butcher's working in all trades, but I can assure you that we are more than competent in repairs.
See there's different categories of write-offs - some are parts only, some could be repaired but cost too much for the insurance to cover, and some are end of life and only fit for crushing.
The most common thing that happens is a car is deemed a uneconomic repair and written-off, but then repaired and sold again - there's nothing really wrong with that, but insurance companies don't like them and try to avoid insuring them.
It can happen that a car gets destroyed, and if the insurance doesn't pay out - then there's no history!
This has to be India or somewhere like that.
In fairness they obviously have the knowledge to do it right, it's a pity they don't.
I'd like to give a shout out to the shut lines on the rear door to ¼panel, and the bootlid! - they're out there doing their own thing!
IDK that's how everyone was justifying that Misha dude wrecking that one guys BMW on the Nurburgring, and agreeing to repair his car, instead of straight up replacing it with a new, I believe it was a M4. 1/3 of the damage that car took would guarantee it being wrote off there in the states.
You see, it might be hard to believe, but the term written off doesn't mean it can't be fixed - it can be fixed, but the cost to do so, and all the additional costs involved with the accident deam it a financial write-off!
It varies, but generally, the rule is if the repair costs more than 50% of the vehicles current value - then its written off!
I'm not overstating it when I say anything is repairable, with enough money, replacement panels and the right equipment you can fix anything properly.
The garage I served my time in had the local Mercedes contract, and I was always told "we finish it better than factory!" - we repaired chassis datum points to within 0.2mm of the specsheets, factory works to within 0.5mm - I'm just another Joe, it's how we're trained here
Another big factor is actually just that too - you use a chassis jig/bench to reset/relocate the datum points of a crashed chassis - our rate was €500p/h on the bench, it doesn't take long before you're into a shell for a couple thousand on that alone - it's reserved for valuable cars mostly these days!
Tell me you don't care about collision safety without telling me you don't care.
This junk will only happen in third world countries. It doesn't matter what cosmetically happened to make the car "look" as before. That strength of that metal has already been compromised from being bent from the accident....there's a point metal beyond a certain point that its strength is compromised ...... Applying a torch to it to further soften it so it can be bent back is beating an already dead horse...
That thing is a death trap. It's stupid to do, and stupid to put passengers in this car. It's like all the body shop repair done by a Russian guy called "Arthur" on YouTube. It's all neat looking and all, but there are some things you shouldn't repair. Anyone with a shred of autobody repair skill in US, Canada, Europe can tell It's outright dangerous to put people in a car like this.
You are so right. You're heating the sheet metal, and it's no longer safe. Even though it's done here in states, I good insurance adj will catch that nonsense.
80s and 90s Polish shops were doing the same. Buying totaled cars from West Europe, then working for even a month on each car to fix it so it's good looking and driveable.
Unfortunately when you are in a poor country, like whole Eastern Block in the 90s-00s your can only dream of relatively new cars, and this type of repairs are the results or cars with removed cats and DPF, with no regard to safety and environmental effects.
I remember my dad bought a crashed VW Jetta in '90 and a friendly mechanic used very similar technique, chain pulling to straighten all of it up. Took about 2 months to change it from a wreck to on the road driveability.
They don't get it. This is not 1955. Because you can repair something does not mean you should. All of that heated metal that has collapsed once is weak as fuck. Add heat and it's worse. Now a car that's supposed to collapse a certain way on impact will not. Where is that energy going? Right into the cabin. Literally anything could happen. Brittle metal does not transfer energy like it was designed to. Yes,it looks great and the decklid works. I would not want anyone I care about driving that car. Period
It’s impressive that they could get it looking so good, but it shouldn’t go back on the road. There’s no way that car absorbs the next accident correctly after that “repair”. It’s actually scary that they could get it to look so good…won’t be obvious to the potential buyer that it had been in a major accident.
If you know of studies proving that this vehicle is drastically less safe could you please provide them for me? I legit just want to learn more and would 100% accept the results, but all i can find are forums for auto body workers and not an actual study. Having very little research, it almost feels like a conspiracy theory. I understand if the cost of the job is more than the value of a car, then it is not worth it to repair, but I don't understand the claim that the car above is "not roadworthy." The concept of it being less safe is not justification in my eyes. Some people drive tiny cars which i would argue is less safe than the above car after the repair.
Is it the torching? Causing metal to expand, which results in a brittle metal? **Are there studies showing jobs like this being stress tested?**
I know I'm in the wrong here, i just want some hard evidence other than "thats what i was told in training." I've been painting for years, but never PDR, frame, or body work. Now that work's slow, I'm trying to expand my knowledge.
Here we go. If a materials science guy wants to jump in feel free but ill take a whack at it.
So metal is a crystalline like structure and has different characteristics depending on the alloy and what its purpose is. Some metals are better at certain things than others and the sheet metal that goes into a car is spec'd to what characteristics the engineers require. Most body panels are not a off the shelf alloy and are ordered from the steel mill, coiled up in big rolls and sent to the OEM to be stamped into body panels.
The reason this is unsafe is for a few reasons. Annealing, fatigue and stretching are the 3 that jump out to me.
Annealing: When you heat metal its crystal structure begins to change. You can try this yourself, go to dollar tree and buy 3 metal spoons. Bend one and make a mental note of how much force it took to bend. Now heat the spoon up, dosent have to be red hot but get it hot and let it cool back down. Bend the spoon again and youll notice it takes much less force to bend it. Thats because the heat altered they lattice and weakened the metal.
Fatigue: Metal isnt flexible. There is metal that is more tolerant to bending but if it goes through enough bending cycles it will fail eventually. This is why airplanes are retired after a certain amount of takeoffs and landings. When you bend metal you alter this crystal structure as well. Get your second spoon and start bending it back and fourth. It will be easy at first and start getting harder to bend, youll notice the the color of the metal may look duller at the bending point or it may even feel hot. This is because youre creating forces on the crystal structure the metal is made of. Bend it one way and youre creating compression forces at the top of the crystal structure. Right before the spoon breaks youll notice it feels harder, thats because youve compressed it to a point where all that is left is tearing it apart.
Take your 3rd spoon and measure its thickness then beat it flat with a ball peen hammer. You could have any tool on earth but id bet my life savings you couldnt work the metal to its original thickness and shape. When you hit metal youre displacing some of that crystal lattice and it has to go somewhere. Normally it spreads and causes the original metal to become slightly thinner. Bonus points is youve now hit the metal so much youve made it physically harder. This is called work hardening and without expensive equipment you cant tell if youve beaten the metal uniformly. The harder the metal the more brittle it becomes.
So lets recap. The guy in the video took an open flame to the metal. Unless he has a heat treat oven whatever alloy the body panel is specked too is gone. The metal is softer than it was before.
He bends the metal out to its original shape. What did we just learn about fatigue?
He then takes an air hammer to smooth it out and stretched the metal, its now thinner than it was spec'd to.
All the original strength in the crash structure is gone because the original temper of the metal is gone with it. The 3 terms I just said is very well documented and if you would like to read the scientific papers those terms are a good starting point.
Why heat it up? In the states this body work doesn’t use a torch like that. And usually just make it good enough to where you can replace the body part.
I'm having a hard time believing this is real, due to the simple fact there is no discoloration of the paint where the heat was "applied." To get it to any meaningful temp to help the metal relax would at the very least start to burn the paint with a torch like that. Or they are just wasting fuel to make it look like they heated it. And the fact they used the spare tire as a brace for the porta power, and it was there then not there then back again. I'm calling shenanigans.
Why not weld in some metal support beams or even extra sheetmetal? Crumple zone is compromised might as well turn it into a tank. Going to suck for whoever rearends you though!
Many have never spent any time in 3rd world countries- which is a majority of the world.
These people are poor af and they make do with what they got. Sure it’s wrong that’s how most of the world rolls. I’ve seen some crazy shit in my travels that is normal but you’d be thrown in jail here immediately.
You have to pull the body with the rack and then section the damage out without the use of fire, the fire and heat is the real issue here, ultra high strength steel becomes brittle and rigid when exposed to high heat, especially when pulling the body. Plus you would use plates welded to the body instead of clamps, if one of those clamps slips, somebodies going down. Although most reputable shops wouldn’t touch this, this would be totaled out by the insurance company upon viewing.
Crumple zones exist. Metal fatigue exists. Plastics integrity exists. Cosmetic repair exists. Unexpected incidents exist. When all are combined when you are inside a vehicle that has been repaired cosmetically, you and your passengers may no longer exist.
This looks suuuuuper staged I mean look how they're working then bam it's prepped sprayed and all the lights are back in without them showing doing the work.
This is in Iran. For anyone saying they should buy a new car instead, let me tell you that not everyone can afford it, specially in Iran. Not that the people are poor there, absolutely no. The used old honda civic that you buy in US for 2k, you have to pay at least 20k in Iran; now imagine a new car.
I am not saying that you should repair like this, or this is safe to do. I would prefer to walk or use public transport rather fixing like this. I am just saying don't judge anyone.
The place that I am living right now is no different than this. They would ship wrecked cars from US and rebuild it, and you won't notice any visual differences compared to the new one. The prices are not expensive to buy a used or new car, but 99% of people here still do it. Just a fun and stupid fact, when repairing the car here, they would remove the catalytic convertor and resell it to first world countries - at least they don't do that in Iran.
P.S. that is not a real Pegout, it's Iranian version of it and most people there say that not even one part of it, is Pegout's. You can't imagine how they produce the cars there. The safety of that car is much more now than the new one produced there haha
if this was done Ferrari i could see the effort but that much time and effort for a budget car, how was that cost effective. car doesn’t even look like a newer car with enough resale value.
Pretty impressive considering where they are. I suspect they could've reinforced it and the comments would just flip and suggest the next person to hit them will be injured. If that's what the customer wanted, a cheap repair and not a new car I say mission accomplished.
This is why I hate buying used cars without thoroughly knowing the car’s history. I overpaid for my last used car but it was a one owner car and was serviced regularly at the Lexus dealership I bought it at. I paid for the piece of mind.
I don't know crap about auto body work. I understand metal and wrecks. Once metal has been bent or changed from its original sheet/form...that is permanent. Crumple zones were bent into the car originally, they cannot be recreated by flattening it back to what it looked like and have the same [or any] integrity. All that crumpled metal needs replaced with new metal. All that being said, you'd likely need a new frame as well. It shouldn't even be used in a demo derby at this point.
This reminds me of those old toy cars you could bash into a wall, then hit a button and they go back to normal. Regenerators i think they were called
Actually awesome https://youtu.be/EwaQeAmYTVs?si=mE5xEoE3OhQzOMsT
Damn those are incredible.
I miss the 90s sometimes…sometimes.
well, that's me off to ebay
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that's hype tbh
Put that on my list of things I asked my parents for with no hope of receiving lmao.
Core memory unlocked
Thank you for unlocking that long lost memory 🥹
Hopefully the work is disclosed on the title for whatever country that is. Things going to be a beer can if it get hit again.
Iran. No beer cans there.
Unless you buy them from the Revolutionary Guard lol
Third World Country Special with the torch.
I was waiting for that tire to explode.
As long as that thing probably went without being used, it would need air in it first.
I would hate to be in it if it ever got rear ended again. Esthetically fixed does not mean as safe in a crash this thing will buckle like a soda can.
I hate to be the next alignment tech to get a hold of that car...
That thing probably wiggles all over the place once you get over like 30mph.
Zero structural integrity left. No way the frames not fucked too
Yeah that was def a crumple zone they cut out and replaced. That prob wouldn't fly in the states.
Depends on the state lol we don't chassis checks in Cali. You could be fred flinstoning it as long as it passes smog.
Wow... GA is strict. It's hard as hell to get another states rebuilt title inspected and passed in GA, but what's funny is if you have a GA rebuilt title and sell it to someone in Alabama who registers it in AL and then sells it back to someone in GA it "washes" the title and now you have a clean title car again.
Depends on the state lol we don't chassis checks in Cali. You could be fred flinstoning it as long as it passes smog.
That car is just one big crumple zone in the back. If a trailer rear ends them, they're gonna be 2D like the coyote in Looney tunes.
It was cut out and welded in a new piece. It's just as solid as before if anything it WONT crumple since they cut out part of the crumple zone. You want a car to crumple in a collision. If it stays intact then you will get hurt much worse it's called a crumple zone. Cars are designed to crush themselves to absorb impacts. Btw you do realize this is what all body shops do in the USA? You pull out the damage. Cut out what can't be fixed find a donor car cut the same section out and then weld it into the damaged car. Its the only way to fix cars otherwise any damage at all would total a vehicle. Heat softens metal allows it to be pulled easier. Body shops do this this isn't a cheap way of doing. They also use this same exact setup to straighten vehicle frames that are bent or twisted in an impact.
I would have more trust in a pop can.
Aesthetically*
Yes, with those trunk crumple bars already used and compromised. Next rear end is not going to stop that the tire, but the steering wheel. At least they welded a new bumper bar on to the back so the crush will be even for all occupants and there will be no hard (or any) feelings.
Insurance companies everywhere are creaming their pants
Impressive repair but 100% incorrect
Sorry. Maybe a dumb question, but can you elaborate? Why is it incorrect? Is it the loss of structural integrity for future crashes? Or something else?
Yeah the metal is brittle now. Next crash the metal will crack instead of bending. The act of bending is what absorbs the energy of the crash. It's also possible for the repaired area to migrate as the metal is now full of internal stress. The gaps look good now but how will they look in 5k miles The correct way to repair is to drill out all the welds on the damaged panels and weld in undamaged donor parts.
Metal has memory ig
it actually does
If metal has memory the PC case under my desk has seen some shit it will never forget.
"seen some shit" lol
Yes that is what they said
The PC case under his desk
Never forget
Literally yes.
Literally yes.
Yknow how if you bend thin metal (like a paperclip) back and forth it eventually breaks? That’s what this guys doing. That metal has been weakened beyond repair
Not only that but heating the metal to the point it anneals isn’t a great idea but I just work with copper. Shit gets hella soft until you bend it a few times
Yes, those panels are damaged beyond being repaired safely. Like honestly it’s impressive they were able to fix it but it’s just not a safe repair.
Along with all the reasonable material science points: check out the bottom lip of the trunk. That shit ain't lined up lol
It’s sad to see the comments on the other subreddit this was posted in. People really think we don’t fix this kind of shit because we are lazy or something. They would rather be dead than have to spend a little more fixing shit right.
Folks have no real concept of crumple zones and what they are designed to do.
But the car will still crumple when hit. Crumple zones still there. /s
Even better! It’s extra crumply! You’ve always said you want to see your loved ones in heaven first? Well! Slap them in the backseat of this bad boy! Don’t worry the seatbelts are optional. They’re used as well! So even if you do want to survive, WE JUST REDUCED YOUR CHANCES BY 85%!!! *all said in a game show announcer’s voice.
The problem is metal that is crumpled once will not crumple the same way the next time... now throw in the unknown heating of that car and god only knows how it will crumple compared to how it was designed to crumple.
That stuff doesn’t get fixed here in the states man for a good reason. I would imagine if they could afford to do the job the right way they would do it. This person is skilled enough. We see shit roll into shops that shouldn’t be on the road in any country.
It’s just “cheaper” and “easier” to replace in some places. Not saying any of this is right by safety standards, but it looks good. Apparently that’s what these people care about.
No thats not what 'these' people care about. Cars are prohibitively expensive out there, any car in the price range available to them will be a similarly written off death trap so if you can afford to superficially hide the damage you may as well do that. They have a different use in that city travel is slow and more about moving large volumes of people and things short distances rather than high speed, long commutes. I think theres a lot of ignorance from people in these western dominated message boards, they have zero access to finance, the cars are all imports and usually zombies from the 1980s or 1990s tottering on. New cars are the preserve of the super wealthy. No one wants to drive their family around in a car they know won't protect them, but its actually quite a minor risk in the grander scheme of things. So yea 'these' people aren't so different from us... They just live a different, more stark, reality to the people frequenting reddit.
Not just the states,, in Norway also. That car is trash. But in the midle-east region trust me, they dont give a fuck. Make one car from 3 cars? No problems. Roof from one. Front from 2. and rear from last car. Source? Im from Turkey. Its nuts how litle they give a F about annother human life generally.
That needs to be replaced, it won’t absorb nearly enough energy next time
Some people just need a shitbox to drive around town.
*Coffin
Not everyone can afford a new car.
All these people downvoting... Sitting on their thrones of superiority, unwilling to recognize the reality that *poor people have to accept more risk in order to survive.* They sneer down their noses as they proclaim "Let the poor walk 6 miles to and from work each way, as I've declared it completely unacceptable to drive a vehicle with only 60% of its original manufacturing crash protection." No sense of reality, no sense of compromise; just arrogance and cruelty.
Way too many kinks in inner structures, and #1 rule was broken by using heat while pulling. If you know anything about HSS OR UHSS, heat is a big no no. It was not done correctly
All that work and it still ended up as a Peugeot.
Seriously, I could see putting the time and effort into a cool car with value, but not this pos
It's the reverse of this ad: https://youtu.be/No26JKQKZNE?si=EEnzp9mGPof5Kt6_ Crushed my car, ended up as a 206.
I’ll take things that are impressive but never should’ve been done for $1000, Alex.
Not safe to put back on the road for sure.
What was the torch for? I don't think I saw it hit anything long enough to actually heat it up
Maybe the heat was just for the paint? Hard to know given they are doing everything wrong...
You’re basically asking to be severely injured, that will never be structurally sound.
But you won't look poor until that accident.
I admire the ability and ingenuity at work here. But I'm also glad I'll never have to accept that type of repair as good or safe for myself.
I follow an Indian Youtube channel about fixing crashed trucks. They are really skilled in that area, but my main concern is that they often care about the cosmetics and those trucks are pretty much useless after those repairs.
All these third world repairs are all cosmetic with no concern for crash structure or safety. This thing will fold up like a cheap tin can next time it’s rear ended.
i mean youve got to be really unlucky to get rear ended 2 times back to back (lol unintended joke)
Yea, pretty impressive for a vehicle that should be totaled and that next rear collision is going to be more impressive.
Yet they'll total out a new Z06 with the same kind of damage. Apparently in Europe, or German, they don't have salvage titles, so I guess you can wreck a car, fix it, and sell it to someone without having to tell them that it had been in a accident.
That's putting it very broadly. Granted some country's can be more dodgy. But if a car is written off then its documented and will be part of its history. This isn't how it's done in Europe, sure you'll find butcher's working in all trades, but I can assure you that we are more than competent in repairs. See there's different categories of write-offs - some are parts only, some could be repaired but cost too much for the insurance to cover, and some are end of life and only fit for crushing. The most common thing that happens is a car is deemed a uneconomic repair and written-off, but then repaired and sold again - there's nothing really wrong with that, but insurance companies don't like them and try to avoid insuring them. It can happen that a car gets destroyed, and if the insurance doesn't pay out - then there's no history! This has to be India or somewhere like that. In fairness they obviously have the knowledge to do it right, it's a pity they don't. I'd like to give a shout out to the shut lines on the rear door to ¼panel, and the bootlid! - they're out there doing their own thing!
IDK that's how everyone was justifying that Misha dude wrecking that one guys BMW on the Nurburgring, and agreeing to repair his car, instead of straight up replacing it with a new, I believe it was a M4. 1/3 of the damage that car took would guarantee it being wrote off there in the states.
You see, it might be hard to believe, but the term written off doesn't mean it can't be fixed - it can be fixed, but the cost to do so, and all the additional costs involved with the accident deam it a financial write-off! It varies, but generally, the rule is if the repair costs more than 50% of the vehicles current value - then its written off! I'm not overstating it when I say anything is repairable, with enough money, replacement panels and the right equipment you can fix anything properly. The garage I served my time in had the local Mercedes contract, and I was always told "we finish it better than factory!" - we repaired chassis datum points to within 0.2mm of the specsheets, factory works to within 0.5mm - I'm just another Joe, it's how we're trained here Another big factor is actually just that too - you use a chassis jig/bench to reset/relocate the datum points of a crashed chassis - our rate was €500p/h on the bench, it doesn't take long before you're into a shell for a couple thousand on that alone - it's reserved for valuable cars mostly these days!
Tell me you don't care about collision safety without telling me you don't care. This junk will only happen in third world countries. It doesn't matter what cosmetically happened to make the car "look" as before. That strength of that metal has already been compromised from being bent from the accident....there's a point metal beyond a certain point that its strength is compromised ...... Applying a torch to it to further soften it so it can be bent back is beating an already dead horse... That thing is a death trap. It's stupid to do, and stupid to put passengers in this car. It's like all the body shop repair done by a Russian guy called "Arthur" on YouTube. It's all neat looking and all, but there are some things you shouldn't repair. Anyone with a shred of autobody repair skill in US, Canada, Europe can tell It's outright dangerous to put people in a car like this.
You are so right. You're heating the sheet metal, and it's no longer safe. Even though it's done here in states, I good insurance adj will catch that nonsense.
That’s an accordion now, not a car.
It the USA this would only cost $10k
In the USA they would cut the entire back half of that car off and weld in new parts or they'd just total it out. Which is what should be done.
Is the trunk lip normally that far out on the bumper?
80s and 90s Polish shops were doing the same. Buying totaled cars from West Europe, then working for even a month on each car to fix it so it's good looking and driveable.
Unfortunately when you are in a poor country, like whole Eastern Block in the 90s-00s your can only dream of relatively new cars, and this type of repairs are the results or cars with removed cats and DPF, with no regard to safety and environmental effects.
I remember my dad bought a crashed VW Jetta in '90 and a friendly mechanic used very similar technique, chain pulling to straighten all of it up. Took about 2 months to change it from a wreck to on the road driveability.
Don't give progressive any ideas....
Seems like alot of effort for a Peugeot
It's impressive until you find out he was rear ended by a shopping cart
This video is in reverse, it’s him destroying the car with a blow torch 😭
They don't get it. This is not 1955. Because you can repair something does not mean you should. All of that heated metal that has collapsed once is weak as fuck. Add heat and it's worse. Now a car that's supposed to collapse a certain way on impact will not. Where is that energy going? Right into the cabin. Literally anything could happen. Brittle metal does not transfer energy like it was designed to. Yes,it looks great and the decklid works. I would not want anyone I care about driving that car. Period
Yeah that's a write off
Insurance: “$2,000 for repairs.” Garage: “$2,000 on torch gas it is.”
It’s scrap.. and the torch did fuck all
I can’t believe it’s not butter !
Structural integrity still gone tho right?
Pretty sure those crash structures only work once.
Impressive
Next time this car in an accident, it will resemble that sub that was lost in the deep ocean
Shipped their seas sold in Russia I see it all the time
When he pulled out the acetylene torch to weld the rear body I stopped watching.
Had a car up on the frame rack once that had one front rail brazed on
It’s impressive that they could get it looking so good, but it shouldn’t go back on the road. There’s no way that car absorbs the next accident correctly after that “repair”. It’s actually scary that they could get it to look so good…won’t be obvious to the potential buyer that it had been in a major accident.
Christine is still alive
Looks alright, but structurally deficient, really needed replacement.
I wouldn't buy that lol
He spent more money on torch gas than the steel would have cost.
That'd be a write off here, but these two dudes with fire and a pulley out here making it shine
Bondo city lol
If you know of studies proving that this vehicle is drastically less safe could you please provide them for me? I legit just want to learn more and would 100% accept the results, but all i can find are forums for auto body workers and not an actual study. Having very little research, it almost feels like a conspiracy theory. I understand if the cost of the job is more than the value of a car, then it is not worth it to repair, but I don't understand the claim that the car above is "not roadworthy." The concept of it being less safe is not justification in my eyes. Some people drive tiny cars which i would argue is less safe than the above car after the repair. Is it the torching? Causing metal to expand, which results in a brittle metal? **Are there studies showing jobs like this being stress tested?** I know I'm in the wrong here, i just want some hard evidence other than "thats what i was told in training." I've been painting for years, but never PDR, frame, or body work. Now that work's slow, I'm trying to expand my knowledge.
Here we go. If a materials science guy wants to jump in feel free but ill take a whack at it. So metal is a crystalline like structure and has different characteristics depending on the alloy and what its purpose is. Some metals are better at certain things than others and the sheet metal that goes into a car is spec'd to what characteristics the engineers require. Most body panels are not a off the shelf alloy and are ordered from the steel mill, coiled up in big rolls and sent to the OEM to be stamped into body panels. The reason this is unsafe is for a few reasons. Annealing, fatigue and stretching are the 3 that jump out to me. Annealing: When you heat metal its crystal structure begins to change. You can try this yourself, go to dollar tree and buy 3 metal spoons. Bend one and make a mental note of how much force it took to bend. Now heat the spoon up, dosent have to be red hot but get it hot and let it cool back down. Bend the spoon again and youll notice it takes much less force to bend it. Thats because the heat altered they lattice and weakened the metal. Fatigue: Metal isnt flexible. There is metal that is more tolerant to bending but if it goes through enough bending cycles it will fail eventually. This is why airplanes are retired after a certain amount of takeoffs and landings. When you bend metal you alter this crystal structure as well. Get your second spoon and start bending it back and fourth. It will be easy at first and start getting harder to bend, youll notice the the color of the metal may look duller at the bending point or it may even feel hot. This is because youre creating forces on the crystal structure the metal is made of. Bend it one way and youre creating compression forces at the top of the crystal structure. Right before the spoon breaks youll notice it feels harder, thats because youve compressed it to a point where all that is left is tearing it apart. Take your 3rd spoon and measure its thickness then beat it flat with a ball peen hammer. You could have any tool on earth but id bet my life savings you couldnt work the metal to its original thickness and shape. When you hit metal youre displacing some of that crystal lattice and it has to go somewhere. Normally it spreads and causes the original metal to become slightly thinner. Bonus points is youve now hit the metal so much youve made it physically harder. This is called work hardening and without expensive equipment you cant tell if youve beaten the metal uniformly. The harder the metal the more brittle it becomes. So lets recap. The guy in the video took an open flame to the metal. Unless he has a heat treat oven whatever alloy the body panel is specked too is gone. The metal is softer than it was before. He bends the metal out to its original shape. What did we just learn about fatigue? He then takes an air hammer to smooth it out and stretched the metal, its now thinner than it was spec'd to. All the original strength in the crash structure is gone because the original temper of the metal is gone with it. The 3 terms I just said is very well documented and if you would like to read the scientific papers those terms are a good starting point.
This car is gonna kill somebody
I think it would be better to weld new trunk on instead of that. I mean, impressive scam, but I wouldn't want to drive that car.
That’s a lot of work to do for a Corolla
gotta do it when you can't afford another in some countries. Struggle is real
How rigid would it be if it got hit again and that same spot i doubt it would hold up better than it did on the first hit.
lol, aint nothing wrong with red titles, Facebook marketplace special. Didn’t even remove the spare 😂
Like new, low miles, AC works perfectly, no low balls I know what I have.
Dude, is straight welding with no eye protection. Well done!
Always have admired the few guys who are truly skilled with a planising hammer. Most people don’t even know what that is.
Why heat it up? In the states this body work doesn’t use a torch like that. And usually just make it good enough to where you can replace the body part.
On the left of this shop is where they refurbish batteries and on the right is where they retread the tires. 
Made the shitbox even more of a death trap, noice!!
I'm having a hard time believing this is real, due to the simple fact there is no discoloration of the paint where the heat was "applied." To get it to any meaningful temp to help the metal relax would at the very least start to burn the paint with a torch like that. Or they are just wasting fuel to make it look like they heated it. And the fact they used the spare tire as a brace for the porta power, and it was there then not there then back again. I'm calling shenanigans.
Safety , zero, drives, 1.
Well okay then.
How is the buckle in the rail?
What was the torch supposed to be doing?
Hyundai logo on the window. This is probably how they build their new cars honestly
Why not weld in some metal support beams or even extra sheetmetal? Crumple zone is compromised might as well turn it into a tank. Going to suck for whoever rearends you though!
$350 of bondo on that thing
This is strange; someone recently did a hit and run on my vehicle!
Damn I seriously can’t fix one little dent on my car..
I question the integrity and durability of that repair.
I'll never understand people who spend all this time and energy fixing broken things when you could just throw the broken one away and buy a new one.
Clean title never been in a wreck no low balls… I know what I have
In America, those are called a total loss and either parted out or crushed for recycling. 🤷🏻♂️
You can play the rear end like an accordion now!
Licken lizard insurance at his best
mighta wanted to take tire out 1st.
That must have been hot as fuck
Many have never spent any time in 3rd world countries- which is a majority of the world. These people are poor af and they make do with what they got. Sure it’s wrong that’s how most of the world rolls. I’ve seen some crazy shit in my travels that is normal but you’d be thrown in jail here immediately.
Was looking for the "well the frame is still bent" comments
Some guy on Fb marketplace: 12000 obo clean title no lowballers
Horribly unsafe.
They do this overseas in 3rd world country's and sell em as like new
Almost impossible to get insurance write offs for anywhere other than America. Hence the necessity to do repairs like this.
Yeah, no thanks!
It’s a Peugeot, until the badge was visible I thought it was a Honda Accordian.
You have to pull the body with the rack and then section the damage out without the use of fire, the fire and heat is the real issue here, ultra high strength steel becomes brittle and rigid when exposed to high heat, especially when pulling the body. Plus you would use plates welded to the body instead of clamps, if one of those clamps slips, somebodies going down. Although most reputable shops wouldn’t touch this, this would be totaled out by the insurance company upon viewing.
Then they will sell it as new.
It's also in reverse
No way the integrity of the boot hasn't been severely compromised. This is a demo right? It's not going back out on the street?
1 OWNER! CLEAN CARFAX! MUST SEE!
The next owner: I’ve gotten the alignment done 3 times, and it still won’t drive straight???
These guys are craftsmen!
I wouldn’t drive this car for all the tea in China, and I love my tea.
Temu used cars!
He has a lot of time on his hands
Sorry... those trunk gaps are way off. I see a water leak in its future.
Makes sense this must be where State Farm gets their repair procedures from
Never going to trust second hand cars again
Pray it never gets rear-ended again. If it does that thing is going to crumple like paper.
Crumple zones exist. Metal fatigue exists. Plastics integrity exists. Cosmetic repair exists. Unexpected incidents exist. When all are combined when you are inside a vehicle that has been repaired cosmetically, you and your passengers may no longer exist.
The ol car stretcher trick!
And the next time it's hit from behind?
That is some quality material there
Anyone else addicted to blue cheese
Dam, that craftsmanship, though!!! Any small dents on my car, and I want to write it off as a loss.
This is in Egypt! You can get all this, and a carpet, for only $50,000!! Edit: OK, for you my friend, I do it for $25,000.
I have seen the state of the shit in the USA where mots are not a thing. This looks safe.
That is now a death trap😮😮😮
This looks suuuuuper staged I mean look how they're working then bam it's prepped sprayed and all the lights are back in without them showing doing the work.
Craftsmanship
This is in Iran. For anyone saying they should buy a new car instead, let me tell you that not everyone can afford it, specially in Iran. Not that the people are poor there, absolutely no. The used old honda civic that you buy in US for 2k, you have to pay at least 20k in Iran; now imagine a new car. I am not saying that you should repair like this, or this is safe to do. I would prefer to walk or use public transport rather fixing like this. I am just saying don't judge anyone. The place that I am living right now is no different than this. They would ship wrecked cars from US and rebuild it, and you won't notice any visual differences compared to the new one. The prices are not expensive to buy a used or new car, but 99% of people here still do it. Just a fun and stupid fact, when repairing the car here, they would remove the catalytic convertor and resell it to first world countries - at least they don't do that in Iran. P.S. that is not a real Pegout, it's Iranian version of it and most people there say that not even one part of it, is Pegout's. You can't imagine how they produce the cars there. The safety of that car is much more now than the new one produced there haha
Now it has the structural integrity of a wet piece of paper
if this was done Ferrari i could see the effort but that much time and effort for a budget car, how was that cost effective. car doesn’t even look like a newer car with enough resale value.
That torch ain't doing shit. This will be sold as "used/great condition" when he's done.
No.
Still doesn’t look right? Even after all that work!
Oh ya that'll be safe afterwards no problemo
Watching them wave the torch around the spare tire they couldn't be bothered to remove until later sets the bar on the "quality* of this repair
Wow, it literally buffed right out. First time for everything
Reminds me if this old Peugeot 206 commercial. (The hatchback version of this): https://youtu.be/50A9wjJ40Dk?si=mSGC145xbThYnQ2C
Pretty impressive considering where they are. I suspect they could've reinforced it and the comments would just flip and suggest the next person to hit them will be injured. If that's what the customer wanted, a cheap repair and not a new car I say mission accomplished.
This is why I hate buying used cars without thoroughly knowing the car’s history. I overpaid for my last used car but it was a one owner car and was serviced regularly at the Lexus dealership I bought it at. I paid for the piece of mind.
Silicon bronze is what is supposed to be used on hss and uhss on cars. It's a different wire, still a mig welder, but it welds at lower temp.
Went in cold. Can come out cold.
Ahh yeah I wouldn’t drive that, especially on the highway with big ass trucks and shit. If a truck were to rear end you you’d be toast pretty much
Your trunk is now a horizontal guillotine.
Seems safe.
CarFax **this!**
100!!!! Great work
That was a LOT of work for Peugeot, but super impressive!
Standing behind that chain under tension is a good way to die when it snaps, just fyi
Lines ain’t perfect and I’m sure it’s got orange peel and fish eyes but that’s incredible all things considered.
Yikes, some things just shouldn't be repaired. As good as a job done.
I don't know crap about auto body work. I understand metal and wrecks. Once metal has been bent or changed from its original sheet/form...that is permanent. Crumple zones were bent into the car originally, they cannot be recreated by flattening it back to what it looked like and have the same [or any] integrity. All that crumpled metal needs replaced with new metal. All that being said, you'd likely need a new frame as well. It shouldn't even be used in a demo derby at this point.