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joecav63

Everyone complaining about the white bread has never grabbed a slice, filled it with some brisket or sausage, put some onion and pickles on it and dipped it in some sauce. Straight šŸ”„ donā€™t care how snobby the bbq scene is these days, that combo never misses


Coyrex1

I honestly thought the white bread thing was like universal at bbq places until maybe a month ago where i went to a bbq place and asked for some and they looked at me like I was insane. In Alberta, Canada.


TKCoog075

I went to a place called ā€œTexas BBQā€ when we moved from Texas to Columbus Ohio. We asked for bread and they just gave us some burger buns. My fault for thinking Columbus had good bbq. Side note: we missed HEB so much it hurt.


Coyrex1

Shit at least you got something. This place as just like šŸ‘šŸ‘„šŸ‘ no


TKCoog075

Was the food good at least? šŸ˜¬


Coyrex1

Nope. Wasn't awful but would never go there again. Way over smoked. I went at lunch with a coworker who smokes (cigs not meat) and said he couldn't for the rest of the day cause of the taste it left behind.


Joes_Barbecue

Thatā€™s par for the course in Ohio. Thereā€™s a few places starting to pop up that do it the right wayā€¦*cough*


Fat_Bearded_Tax_Man

I'm in Ohio looking for bbq to have today. Where is your spot? Edit: looks like you're in Kent. I will drive down today and give your place a try! See you in a few hours. Edit 2: Joe's is amazing.


Mrsweets440

Go to Mabelā€™s in Cleveland, their Brisket can rival some of the best places in Texas


TKCoog075

Iā€™ve been! Iron Chef Michael Symonā€™s place! Been to the sister restaurant next door too. Iā€™m sure we got the briskest but I canā€™t remember how it was but Iā€™m sure it was great. What I do recall was the crispy pig ears. šŸ·


Mrsweets440

Nice! Yep crispy pigs ears are awesome too! I also love how Mableā€™s gives Rye bread instead of white bread, itā€™s a nice twist plus his mustard based bbq sauce is amazing. Have some in the fridge now


omgmypony

no bluebell ice cream in Ohio either šŸ„ŗ


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TKCoog075

Ray rays had fantastic ribs. We moved back to Houston after 3 years there. We did our time šŸ˜œ


St0rmborn

How could you leave this comment and not include any Columbus bbq recommendations


ohCanada1969

City Barbecue


Fat_Bearded_Tax_Man

Drive to Warren and go to cockeye. It consistently wins best bbq in Ohio for a reason. Edit: I wrote this and then went to Joe's BBQ in Kent for lunch. Eat at Joes.


Scotty5624

Where? So I can avoid


Coyrex1

It's called jane bond. It was decently reviewed but yeah I was not a fan.


thenyx

Better believe itā€™s ā€™Berta beef!


Mush4Brains-

They don't do that in va/ carolina bbq either.


I_Seen_Some_Stuff

I think the fact that white bread is spongy and flavorless is what MAKES it a delicious vehicle for meat juices


Snapesunusedshampoo

Not to mention its basically an edible napkin.


lccreed

White bread is an essential component of Texas BBQ for sure.


Character_Injury404

There is nothing on that plate but vegetables to fill the white bread.


HowdyPrimo6

White bread being served with Texas BBQ is as old as time. People should chill.


Princibalities

Hipsters and yuppies bro. They fucking ruin everything.


prydaone

It's for making pulled pork sandwiches with onion, pickles and a little bbq sauce. Damn good too.


abolishytmen

Those people complaining are not native Texans and as such their opinion does not count


willydillydoo

Some of the best barbecue places Iā€™ve been to have been to give you white bread.


Runb4its2late

I heard it talked about as edible napkins once. Get all that extra bbq off your fingers from the ribs and fill it up with other stuff


fonsoc

So a sandwich?


geologysometimes

More like taco


Background_Body2696

We call it a foldover


rhinosyphilis

I consider white bread, sliced onions, pickles, and sauce to be the correct accompaniment.


Few-Stop-9417

For $65 I better get a full loaf lolol


stonecutter7

I know youre joking but at a lot of places, like Coopers, they set loafs out and take as much as you want. We used to swipe a half full one with our leftovers when I was a kid.


slothscanswim

White bread is so traditional for Texas bbq anyone complaining about it simply doesnā€™t know what the fuck theyā€™re talking about.


JS_N0

Those folk ainā€™t from the south


BRollins08

I do the white bread thing with anything I eat if I feel like it. White bread with some Mac and cheese in it? Fire


MisterEinc

I love bread with my BBQ but I'd be fucking mad if I got more of it than everything else.


Latvia

The bread is trash, but itā€™s *our* trash


FarEmploy3195

So good!! šŸ¤¤


Chivcken32

White bread Bbq taco will forever be elite


Shot_Worldliness_979

If you're complaining about white bread you're basically outing yourself as having never had true Texas BBQ.


TreyLion

Whoā€™s complaining about white bread??! If youā€™re not serving white bread with your Bbq what are you doing serving Bbq at all? šŸ˜‚ I do have a place here in Chicago that doesnā€™t serve white bread and I do love their brisket but I also think to myself every time that I go that I wish I had bread to dip in this sauce.


PerfectlySplendid

HEB? Like the grocery store?


RoleModelsinBlood31

Yep. The bigger new ones sometimes have a bbq restaurant inside, this was from the drive thru down the road at the nearest one


APanasonicYouth

I fucking love this country so much.


Throwawayidiot1210

Yup, people are so bogged down in negativity they forget all the awesome things about the USA


badger_flakes

You can travel such different places in the USA you never even need to leave the country Nowhere else in the world has ADAs level of protections and policies to assist disabled people You donā€™t get executed for badmouthing the government One of the most generous people in the world, and giving almost the most to charity The extensive National parks and forest system we have doesnā€™t really exist anywhere else in the world Public libraries Leaders in space exploration We have lots of food and food diversity We have no pirates in our oceans World leader in entertainment Most of the highest rated universities on the planet USPS is virtually unmatched One of the most comfortable places to live in the world even when poor We have every climate in the world We invented HVAC and the BLT We invented and own GPS Free speech Tolerance of other cultures is generally more so than most other nations Elvis


KickBallFever

On your first point - the US even has beautiful tropical territories you can visit without a passport.


discontent_discoduck

Iā€™d add: * tech industry- the semi conductor and the internet were invented here. The top AI innovation is happening here. * we struggle with wealth inequality, but we are extremely prosperous. You always see comparisons to poor developing countries- no letā€™s compare against peer countries for a change: income is higher in our poorest states than in the richest cities in Europe * Iā€™d break out the music industry from entertainment, itā€™s its own juggernaut, and is globally influential (especially due to contributions from African Americans who invented 5 major globally-popular genres: Rock and Roll, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues, R&B) * biotech, baby. We might have super uneven access to healthcare but we do an outsized share of the innovation. And a lot of that is seeded by taxpayer funded grants from the NIH (something like $45b a year!), which go to our top-notch universities who come up with breakthroughs that lead to commercial applications by pharmaceutical companies and new startups ā€” itā€™s a pipeline of nonstop progress.


Anxious_Acanthaceae3

Not enough upvotes for thisā€¦. Common merica


Gold_Exit_5566

Nailed it


RoleModelsinBlood31

Yes!!


PotentialFull4560

The country of Texas? Yeah, it's pretty awesome!


Waltzspice

You said it!


G_Wagon1102

The country of Texas.


subhavoc42

There is one of these I think in Lubbock that people wait in line for cause itā€™s one of the best bbq options.


titos334

That Slaughter HEB is the best in the city imo


RoleModelsinBlood31

šŸ’Æ Thatā€™s where I went


DirtyRatLicker

A big one recently opened up near me in Katy, will have to look and see if it has one :)


jyl11002

I'm so sad that none of the Houston area ones minus way up north have one. I made a trip out to Seguin once basically to try this bbq (and visit natural bridge caverns, but that was secondary). It was pretty damn good.


_ak

The people at Live Oak (the brewery) told me they've used them for catering for company parties, and they're excellent. Apparently really good value for money.


RoleModelsinBlood31

It is. Bbq is whacky expensive in this town, you know that. These prices are totally fair if not great https://images.heb.com/is/content/HEBGrocery/PDF/true-texas-bbq-vertical-menu.pdf


jedipwnces

It's a decent BBQ place, too! Not my fav but definitely great for a pre-grocery snack or lunch.


iheart303sports

Legit some of the best bbq in town. Unreal.


Boostmachines

Yup, I lived on n San Antonio for 4 years and got fresh brisket there many times for lunch. Their BBQ is fantastic!


fillio15

I know Midlothian and Waxahachie have a bbq joint attached to theirs. Idk which else do


Shot_Worldliness_979

When you're in Texas, the best BBQ is _usually_ whatever's closest. HEB knows what it's doing.


nopodude

My local HEB has one of these. I have never tried it, but damn, if I go shopping while hungry, the smell is flat out criminal.


cantstopwontstopGME

Thatā€™s by design haha


RoleModelsinBlood31

Pork ribs tend to be a bit too peppery for me but you gotta give it a whirl, itā€™s seriously really well done- brisket is prime, so are the beef ribs


Prudent-Virus-8847

I've never tried the ribs but everything else is quality and the brisket is legit!


MaximallyInclusive

The one at Tech Ridge in Austin, no shit, could be a top-10 BBQ spot in the whole state. The brisket is just melts, it is so moist. Amazing smoked turkey, too. 10/10.


spartyanon

I haven't tried the one here in Austin but I went once in a different city and was pretty underwhelmed. It wasn't bad but the price was on par with much better places. But that is just are opinion and a different pit master would make a huge difference.


Kelindal

Fun fact. HEB has its own emergency response division. They showed up in Houston when it got flooded. I fucking LOVE HEB AND TEXAS!


Cheap_Assistant_5170

Iā€™ve done emergency generator work for HEB for almost 18 years. Our company (my family and handful of employees) drive into these disasters and get stores back on power within hours, where most places take days or weeks to get power up. Our motto was always ā€œlast out, first inā€ and Iā€™ve been to almost every store in the system.


elparque

Bad ass shit man


bscher87

Texas Monthly did an article in Aug 2020 about how elaborately planned out HEBā€™s supply chain is. They basically have a ā€œbreak in case of emergencyā€ plan for every plausible natural disaster, except for maybe a godzilla attack.


stonecutter7

Offer him brisket. If he refuses, smoke him low and slow. About 45 days should do it.


Different-Ad9986

No store does more šŸ– šŸ’Æ


LSUguyHTX

Except my HEB because we don't have one of these šŸ˜ž


Mikophoto

Yeah I love my local one but itā€™s a tiny, old one in Austin. First time I went to one of the huge, newer ones I was blown away.


dragondildo1998

It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots on this sub don't understand that BBQ usually comes with white bread.


TxBeerWorldwide

And they show their true colors thinking white bread is somehow a part of the cost. Lifelong Texan and I expect an option of white bread like I expect napkins and silverware...its just there with bbq always.


gravis_tunn

White bread is napkins and silverware.


dragondildo1998

Exactly. It just seems right.


royv98

I live in central NY and we have a BBQ place that opened up a few years ago. The owners traveled to Texas and the Carolinas to bring back what they learned. Itā€™s delicious BBQ actually. But the first few weeks it was opened and people trying it out were posting pics of the plates with white bread on them. They got RIPPED. To. Shreds. For it. It was painful. No matter how much explaining you did on the reasoning people wouldnā€™t listen. The place eventually just switched to cornbread.


M4N14C

Name names. Is it Ray Brothers?


dragondildo1998

Man that sucks. I guess you have to play to your crowd. Cornbread I think is more common with BBQ in the north from my experience at least.


Euroranger

You can't educate people who don't want to learn. Pearls before swine and all.


DrummerRob

There sure are a lot of people who have never seem to had BBQ before in this BBQ subreddit


knoegel

Most be those folks who think that well done trash Uncle Pete dries out in their BBQ pit in the backyard is delicious.


carbroboi

Gotta love HEB man


mideon2000

I enjoyed it. Good price point


Affectionate-Load-86

I used to work at a True Texas BBQ, ask me anything!!


Boxed_Juice

What was your favorite thing there?


Affectionate-Load-86

I loved the fatty brisket and the jalapeno cornbread with the honey butter on top. My go-to order was the 2 meat plate, which would be 2 servings of fatty brisket, a side of potato salad, a side of coleslaw, and then a separate individual side of the cornbread. That with a glass of the blood and honey beer? Omfg so good


Boxed_Juice

Ohh I also love me some fatty brisket. I did enjoy the brisket last time. But I got that sandwich that had a ton of meat in there. So I would love to try the fatty brisket and burnt ends. Is the potato salad more heavy mayo based or does it also have mustard in it? I'm definitely going to add on the blood and honey beer to try as well, I was in love with how good the tea and lemonade were as well. Also nugget ice!


Affectionate-Load-86

The potato salad is a pretty mild mix of both mayo and mustard. Neither overwhelms the other, it's definitely a good balance that satisfies even the picky potato salad eaters (which is me). The burnt ends were really good for sure, definitely a solid option. The only problem is that they're tough to keep in stock, that was one of the #1 things we were always running out of first. Shiner Bock is also a solid choice. I tried the Dallas Blonde but it wasn't as good. The lemonade was so super good, and I still crave it to this day. I liked the sweet tea until I accidentally spilled ~about a gallon~ of it on myself cleaning the machine lol


DMVHAIL

Living outside the state now, I'm so glad they decided to sell Shiner outside of Texas. I buy all the Holliday Cheers at every place every year I can find it.


RoleModelsinBlood31

Yes!


GadflytheGobbo

Why do you think plate armour transitioned from from incorporating a placard and paunch of plate to a low cut breastplate terminating in tassets as the 15th century closed out?


Affectionate-Load-86

That's a great question. *Looks at note cards.* (There's a crayon scribble saying "i love HEB" and nothing else) Uh next question!


GadflytheGobbo

Do you put sauce on your brisket?


Affectionate-Load-86

The restaurant itself put BBQ sauce in the chopped brisket. I wasn't a huge fan, but it made for good cheap sandwich material. Personally, I'm of the opinion that good BBQ shouldn't need BBQ sauce. If it needs sauce, it's not good.


stonecutter7

Whats the process there? Did they figure out a way to make brisket in a slow cooker actually taste like its smoked? Do all HEBs with BBQ have actual pitmasters doing their thing 7 days a week? Or are they just training people well to get good consistency?


Affectionate-Load-86

All HEBs with the BBQ have an actual full time pitmaster (usually 2 of them). There is a huge smoker with a rotating carousel inside of it, and they use real wood (our location used oak, some used hickory I believe). They were super strict on the smoker, too, it has to be deep cleaned once a week, so they'd have 2 people stay late in the evening, climb in, remove the shelves of the smoker, and clean all the nooks and crannies. If the pitmaster was sick, the other would step in, if they were both out for some reason, the manager would have to take it over. My location prided ourselves on being as friendly as possible, so when someone showed interest in our process, we would offer to let them put a hair net on and give them a little tour of our back of house. Idk if they still do that though, it's been about a year and a half since I left. Couldn't hurt to ask, if you happen to have one near you though, maybe they'd like to give you a tour too.


austinmcortez

Iā€™m from Ohio. Iā€™ve only been to Texas twice. The Dallas airport. So I donā€™t give a fuck about Texas lovers or haters. Iā€™ve had BBQ from NY and Ohio down every state to Florida. And Nevada and California out west. I wish Iā€™ve had Texas BBQ. I will one day. Anyway, That is $65 worth of BBQ in whatever state you live in. I swear you folks complaining about prices, and getting all up in arms about plain white bread, have never stepped foot in a commercial kitchen, and have no idea what BBQ entails. Edit: And based on the size of that bun, that rib bone is 12ā€ long like OP said. For the variety of food thatā€™s in this picture, you canā€™t replicate this price at home.


fsrt23

Let me start by saying Iā€™m no expert by any means. But the BBQ here in Texas is so goddamn good. Particularly the brisket (and sausage) Likeā€¦I didnā€™t realize BBQ could be so good till I moved here. Thereā€™s some places out here thatā€™d flat out make you cream your shorts, bud.


EarlTheLiveCat

Truth. You know it's good when they don't have to hide the meat under tons of rub and sauce.


knoegel

I hear you. The best BBQ is just plain Jane meat and salt and pepper. You get the full flavor of the smoke and meat that way. A good sauce doesn't hurt though but the best BBQ doesn't need sauce. It's more of a compliment to amazing meat.


pinkieknight

The sausage is so damn good here! Had some for dinner last night and it's so spicy and snappy and peppery, it's perfect! (And to eat it with some creamy Mac and cheese and delicious toasted made in house white bread šŸ¤¤)


Prudent-Virus-8847

There are places here charging upwards of $40 a lb. for brisket, which I admit is wild, but after you shed a tear while putting your wallet away and take a bite you forget all about it, at least until it's all gone.


LSUguyHTX

That is easily well over $100 at any of the more trendy/famous BBQ places in Houston and Austin unfortunately


TEHKNOB

Thatā€™s it, packing it all up and moving to Texas.


Desperate_Brief2187

See ya!


antarcticgecko

Bienvenidos!


freshapocalypse

I love beef ribs, so fucking delicious.


FileError214

Their ribs are surprisingly good. Not amazing BBQ, but some of the most convenient.


Four-Triangles

This the one off slaughter?


RoleModelsinBlood31

Yep!


Possible-Subject3680

Moving to Texas just for HEB


TheFuqinRSA

Yep my HEB (lubbock) has one as well. God damn i fuckin love HEB


pinkieknight

Lmao I don't even live in Lubbock but I was so excited when y'all got one šŸ˜‚


TheFuqinRSA

Right! I think we were one of the last bigger cities in texas to get one. They're supposed to build another one.. I wish they'd get on it because the one here is always fucking slammed!


Dirtsniffee

I've crushed more than my fair share of true texas bbq at heb in Midland. Always enjoyed it.


homer-price

Id eat it.


AdeptnessAmbitious44

That is good looking turkey!


bored4days

The greens and potatoe salad are so good at heb too!


RoleModelsinBlood31

Freaking love the greens!!


Zach57

Ive never had beef ribs, are they as fantastic as they look?


RoleModelsinBlood31

Yeah theyā€™re the cream of the crop at least to me. Texture of thick corned beef or thick sliced pastrami or short ribs, crust and smoke of brisket. Pretty amazing


MasterBrisket

Better than you can even imagine, a well executed beef rib is transcendent. Quick aside ā€¦ thereā€™s a restaurant in Austin called Jack Allenā€™s Kitchen that takes a bbqā€™d beef rib and then chicken fries it ā€¦ itā€™s not better than a regular beef rib but itā€™ll just about stop your heart.


No_Inspector7319

Iā€™ve only had them a few times but itā€™s by far my favorite bbq item.


Starr1005

Anyone in Houston that has seen this? My local stores don't have it.


DonnieCullman

Closest one is Kingwood


Starr1005

Dang, that's opposite of me in Sugarland lol


J-Mun-E

Bunker hill used to have one but they closed it down about 7 years ago


miiija

Do they have any of these in Houston? Never seen them there


rotatorkuf

why did they remove the chicken and creamed corn tho


RoleModelsinBlood31

I think they still have the creamed corn. No idea about the chicken, was it good? I always love Rudyā€™s chicken, actually- cheap and awesome. https://images.heb.com/is/content/HEBGrocery/PDF/true-texas-bbq-vertical-menu.pdf


rotatorkuf

yeah rudys chicken is delicious


FURKADURK

HEB midland is pretty solid, canā€™t deny


momdadimpoppunk

when the bbq place tucks the white bread under the sauced ribs <3333


DaiChi6ken

on one hand, I wish it was a biiiit cheaper. on the other, their brisket beans are fucking 10/10.


Johnathanfootball

I had this same Slaughter True Texas BBQ yesterday. Two meat plate with fatty brisket and burnt ends. I think itā€™s the best bang for buck BBQ in town bedsides maybe Morenoā€™s depending on what they have on special. The fact I can get it in the drive thru on the way home from work or on my way out after getting groceries is the cherry on top


logfever

looks fire but good lord big fella


Stacysguyca

Iā€™d trade all the bread and onions for more meat lol


MargoHuxley

Thatā€™s a solid looking meal!


willfargo1231

Wouldn't surprise me if it was incredible. Everything we visit Austin we binge on the HEB house brand ice cream. It's incredible.


Macgrubersblaupunkt

Eat 3+ sangwiches in one sitting?


summer_portrait

Look delish but skimpish for 64$


RoleModelsinBlood31

Probably but it fed all of us, I donā€™t know. Around here for the same amount of grub itā€™s usually more, that freaking beef rib would have been $60 at most places


summer_portrait

Prices have gone up so much and I been a while since I went to Texas (Iā€™m native north Texan) I really canā€™t say!!! As long as you and your friends/family enjoyed Iā€™m sure it was worth it


RoleModelsinBlood31

Yeah Iā€™m a cheap ass, so thatā€™s why I went there lol. We were deciding on options and if we dordashed Indian it would have been 3 dishes, viet would have been 2 bahn miā€™s and a curry, Chinese would have been 3-4 dishes and an app, etcā€¦. Things are expensive down here- I wasnā€™t joking earlier but an Italian sub from my fav place is $21


cantstopwontstopGME

Nah thatā€™s almost half what the craft bbq spot down the road would charge for the same plate.


summer_portrait

Wow!!!!!


Starr1005

He has a sandwich, a beef rib, smoked turkey and brisket, a sausage link, 3 sides and fixings... seems like a solid 64 bucks to me.


Cheap_Assistant_5170

I donā€™t know about that. 2 meat/2 side plate, beef rib, sausage link, chopped sandwich, side of mac & cheese, along with a beerā€¦


Gniphe

Next time, get the cornbread too.


RoleModelsinBlood31

Didnā€™t know they had it! I felt a little rushed with all the trucks behind me- I had gone for the beef rib honestly and the rest was for everyone else


Ok-Room-7243

Used to get the half black pepper chicken all the time, tasty cheap protein


Ok-Replacement1590

God damn it 30 bucks for that beef rib? Back in my day ......


RoleModelsinBlood31

If I hadnā€™t paid like $70 for one at one of the local hyped places, Iā€™d agree itā€™s crazy but šŸ¤· https://images.heb.com/is/content/HEBGrocery/PDF/true-texas-bbq-vertical-menu.pdf


Ok-Replacement1590

I love beef ribs and nobody else in my family does. I used to cook them all the time. Now they're so high and it's hard to find a good rack in the middle of nowhere where I live


LouisRitter

I just can't get into the price. Take that bone out and how much does the meat weigh? Outside of that rib it's all fluff, which is a probably a good time, but I'm not paying meat price per pound for bread and onion. Looks like a good time but I can't pay over 50 for a little BBQ, that's insane.


diasound

Most eateries are price gouging and I don't understand why more people haven't stopped eating out. That being said, I don't think he got ripped off if you subtract that beef rib ($30 alone).


caz_uno

Good shit, have multiple of these on north side of Houston.


akderpy7

What heb has that?


jano_Rassoul

jackstacks mogs


nadalieportmanteau

Nice.


horngrylesbian

This is good value from a grocery store?


_lazybones93

Okay how is the beef rib???


RoleModelsinBlood31

Freaking awesome, although I dreamed last night I went back for a second one and for $30 it was half the size šŸ¤· if theyā€™re consistently as big as this one was itā€™s a no brainer though, def worth it


sharterfart

look at that lone wiener, sitting there without any bros to back him up šŸ˜”


Latvia

I live in Walmart country, so weā€™ll never have an HEB or Trader Joeā€™s, or Costco. Gotta get outta here.


Ds9St

That beef rib I can finish in 2 days maybe šŸ˜‹


ClerkB0y

Real expensive BBQ


DaLurker87

I'm sorry but no HEB does not count as real Texas bbq even if it's tasty


JustRevenue6575

They arenā€™t skimpy on the onions or wonder bread.


Correct-Fault-1291

I mean it looks good! But they taxed that ass bro! Lol


knightswhosayneet

White bread? We callā€™em knapkins!


dogsaybark

Weā€™re going to short him on the meat, but he wonā€™t notice if we really load him up with raw onion. šŸ§…


redbluewhite890

FYI True Texas BBQ at HEB is the equivalent of replacement level player in baseball.


Handywithbrokenstuff

No pintos for you baby! Nothing but Texas bbq!


Aesmart82

Wow 1 rib and 1 sausage and 25 pounds of onions oh and a slice of brisket. Seems a tad more expensive then I'd think it should be


papa_de

I knew half that bill was for the beef rib alone


whosthedumbest

If I am paying more than 20$ it better at least be on a God damned plate, this BBQ culture is stupid.


Full_Collection_4347

That beef rib was 2.0lb of šŸ¦“


Dseltzer1212

I guess everyone is rich in Texas