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They have a hall-pass. They can do whatever they like, and they like to bully Palestinian civilians, anyone. They hate them, and they know they get away with it.
Strap a guy to a car? It causes international critique? Say that you're going to investigate it. Maybe you investigate it, say that this shouldn't happen. But I'm pretty sure these guys are not punished, or maybe they get some light chore, or are sent home for a week. Probably there will be an instruction not to do this for the time being, and that's it.
I don’t usually hate many people and or many things but I specifically, whole heartedly, deeply fucking hate these people. The kind of hate that will follow me for the rest of my life, it’s honestly so sad because I don’t want to hate these people but I can not shake this burning feeling in my chest. The utter disgust I feel is something I have never felt in my life.
Exactly. I’ve never experienced anything like my own reactions to this stuff. After being anti-war my whole life, I learned that I’m definitely *not* a pacifist.
Armed to the teeth, 4 on 1, and still kicking someone who isn’t even fighting back while he’s on the floor. I don’t even think the word coward comes close to describing that level of shitbaggery.
Watching them gun down young teenagers over the years over rocks or protesting sent me down a very angry path about 2 decades ago. So this stuff lately has felt so obviously coming that I'm unclear how they still have the support it does.
People I've known 30 years suddenly calling me an anti-semite are the same that called me a misogynist after I laid out everything wrong with Hillary for years. Yet supporting an Independent activity progressive Jew my whole life (Bernie Sanders) isn't enough. It's not his time or the "Jew's time" then but was for a nepo flip-flopping woman.
People support whatever the media tells them to it appears.
Because it’s nothing to do with religion or gender or any of that. It’s trying to stifle debate by labelling something an ism that really isn’t that. They’ve learned that calling someone an antisemite is a quick way to put people on the back foot and reassert the Israeli victimhood narrative. I simply call it out - if opposing genocide makes me an antisemite according to some ludicrous backwards logic, then best of luck to whoever follows that. But I’m not wasting energy defending something that doesn’t need to be defended and engaging with people only on their terms.
So many people can't get past the idea that because they were so hideously persecuted in the holocaust, it means that Jewish people must be 'the good guys'. Most people don't pay enough attention to have any idea what has been happening to the Palestinians, especially in recent years.
There is a section of the Ultra extremist Christians who desperately want WW3 to happen and they believe that it can only happen if there is a great battle in Israel. These are the people who have kept the support for Israel steady, especially in the US. The Israelis could be murdering Palestinian children on camera and it wouldn't cause them to stop supporting the Israelis.
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
These guys are just straight up nazis in a nazi society. They view Palestinians as untermensch, as does their entire society, and they, as ubermensch, are entirely free from any consequences of beating, humiliating, abusing, even killing people their bosses, politicians and society sees as untermensch. Totally degenerate nazi society that requires overwhelming, humiliating destruction, along similar lines to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan
Exactly.
That's why it's so dangerous to allow Bernie Sanders and the few other American politicians who are criticizing "Israel" to try and blame their current government for the genocide.
It isn't just *this* government, it's every previous government. It's the people who "founded" the "society." It's everyone who has ever moved there, everyone who has ever served in the IOF, ***everyone.***
Even the "progressive Israelis" just want the occupation to be *nicer* to the Palestinians. It's a sick joke.
The overwhelming majority of "Israelis" approve of the genocide. And a large percentage within that majority wish they were killing and destroying even *more.*
Likewise, the majority approves of apartheid.
They have a society where regular citizens are preventing food from reaching starving children. They barbecue while they block roads that would save starving children's lives.
They mock Palestinians who have just been bombed, using makeup and whatnot to make themselves look injured, while they wail and shit, as if it's hilarious.
They mock Palestinian mothers who just lost their children.
A "country" that has existed for less than a century, that has done nothing but terrorism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide from day 0 is irredeemable.
Fuck every single adult who lives there. Just in general, choosing to live there is inexcusable. But especially now, during an outright genocide?
Anybody there who is not in prison for trying to stop this government and this genocide is beyond complicit, at this point.
Exactly correct. The only possible future for Israel is to actually treat their genociders, war criminals and thuggish soldiers as such.
These guys in the video above, and many like them, should be humiliated as the cowardly scum they are and thrown in prison for brutal assaults on defenceless civilians, whose safety they should actually be responsible for. Senior IDF commanders and the entire political class should face Nuremberg style trials and be imprisoned for life, or even executed for genocide.
But the chances of this happening are nil, it's laughable even, therefore Israel's only future is complete destruction. And deservedly so. Fuck them all.
We pay for their free college when we don't have that for ourselves. We give weapons, we give them billions of dollars. They continue to "buy" our politicians. And we pay for genocide, ethnic cleansing and appartied. When will this change?
Of course. American authorities would love be able to openly do this to every undocumented migrant and in every black neighborhood. They did it for hundreds of years prior.
This is why they get beat up in the war because they never had experience of anyone fighting back. The training is reduced to beating up women and children and unarmed men.. anyone can beat a person When they're equipped with army boots, helmet, guns, body armor. They straight cowards..
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You'll never see these goons anywhere near a fair fight.
It takes three heavily armed men to assault one unarmed journalist...but the journalist still wins!
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
Since October 7th a lot have been going in the other direction... but I think a lot of them will have some type of rude awakening eventually when they come to understand of the full reality of what they've aligned themselves with.
He’s not wrong. I’ve heard it too. It’s the ultra defensiveness and calling everything antisemitism. Add to that a full on disregard of video evidence and history existing before Oct 7th.
They are dude wtf... Anyway there would be no Israel if not for the European colonisers that fucked that region up on purpose. Blaming Jewish people for once again having their identity used by white people to justify genocide is fucked up.
Don't wait for minorities to stand up, do it yourself.
The once-oppressed have now become the oppressors, and they don't even seem to care that everyone knows. That indifference is scary as hell.
Fcking fscists....
I never trusted the Oslo accords, I have absolutely no time for any 2 state solution. You don’t give concessions to the colonial occupier, it’s a single state with equal rights for all or gtf back to Europe and leave the Arabs and Mizrahi Jews to live in peace like they did for the most part prior
I was a teenager at the time and totally fell for it, as did many Palestinians.
The assassination of Rabin was the event that started to wake me up to Israel's dark side!
Every day I see another video or another image of these IOF monsters brutalizing helpless, unarmed civilians or of dead children and my rage towards them just gets larger and larger. No tears for any of them who gets unalived
Expecting integrity out of a regime that’s running PR for a genocide is a fool’s errand. They can and will use that excuse, even though it doesn’t make any sense to people who have been paying attention.
This was circulating vefore hristmas, and i remember seeing this with subtitles. The camera man is being rushed along and told not to film, but all the while is lamenting that his colleague was severely injured, and not knowing why they would do this. He asks the person moving him along why this is happening and is threatened as a response.
Hes reporting to the audience the whole time what is going on.
Granted, i dont speak turkish or hebrew, so im at the mercy of whoever subtitled it.
[Here's an article about the incident.](https://www.commondreams.org/news/israeli-soldiers-assault-journalist)
[Another source with more information](https://www.trtworld.com/turkiye/us-urges-investigation-into-assault-on-anadolu-journalist-by-israeli-forces-16301318):
> The US has said it is "deeply concerned" by Israeli soldiers' violent assault on Anadolu photojournalist Mustafa Alkharouf in occupied East Jerusalem and urged an investigation.
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> "I did see the video. We are deeply concerned by the disturbing images of the use of force against a journalist that was depicted in those videos," State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said on Monday in response to Anadolu's question regarding the violent assault on Mustafa Alkharouf.
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> "We think it's appropriate that those in the video be investigated," Miller said, adding that the people involved should be held accountable if appropriate.
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> Miller said the US expects militaries around the world to take appropriate actions when individual soldiers commit acts in violation of international humanitarian law.
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> Israeli authorities announced that police officers seen in the video attacking journalist Alkharouf had been suspended.
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> However, Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir talked to a police officer Saturday who assaulted Alkharouf and promised his return to duty "as soon as possible."
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> Ben-Gvir wrote on X that he conveyed that he would strive for his return to active duty. Asked about Ben-Gvir's comments, Miller said he didn't see the comment and does not have further comments to make.
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The guy getting beat up is a journalist apparently. Guy on the mic is just narrating the situation. At the end he calls his cameraman to come back as the soldier is telling them to go away.
Source: im a turk
Israel has to be held accountable, seriously. Like for real.
Are we going to trim a blind eye where it's convenient?
That's not the American I am. Who the fuck is running out country.
All those officers deserve to be strapped to the ground booted in the head til they can’t tell the difference between their face and the pavement. Absolutely horrific. No excuse.
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
Very tough against women, children and unarmed civilians. In Gaza where they have to fight actual Soldiers, they NEVER leave their tanks or armored vehicles. Facts.
Third world countries are turning to Russia and China for help. They see how diabolical America is, and they want nothing to do with this great evil (nor her friend Israel and Satanyahu).
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-troops-filmed-brutally-beating-palestinian-photojournalist-in-east-jerusalem/
It took me 2 seconds on Google to find this article. It's an Israeli news outlet, and it was not fake or staged. There are multiple other sources available if you just type in a Google search for "Palestinian journalist kicked in the head by IDF soldiers." Good luck out there.
His name is Mustafa Haruf and [he is a Palestinian photographer who works for Turkish news outlet Anadolu Ajansı.](https://x.com/SaadAbedine/status/1735629049228083335) His crime was filming the police while they were using violence to prevent Muslims from worshiping at one of the holiest places in Islam.
And it's not like it's implausible that Israelis would do this. A few other Israeli abuses of reporters for your perusal (and [here's a link](https://x.com/search?q=israeli%20assault%20journalist&f=media) if you want to see infinitely more videos of the same):
* https://x.com/BesDMarx/status/1713686739464634580
* https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/1394733367778709506
* https://x.com/dianabuttu/status/1401260170848747521
* https://x.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1394241924794667011
* https://x.com/nirhasson/status/1391665602180395009
the ziobot isnt interested in context. all they do is come on here and try to discredit everything. even if you send that zionazi 10000 videos they would still say they could be fake. they’re a waste of time and to be quite frank a waste of oxygen
you literally just posted that zionism means jews are entitled to their land and you stand by that idea. you’re a genocidal maniac. zionism is a settler colonial movement. you’re fooling no one.
And I stand by that, but alas, I can't remember saying that when I asked for context here. I even said that it was good that these soldiers were detained. You should drink some hot tea or something
if you cant seem to see the connection between these soldiers and zionism then that says a lot about you and my advice is get an education on \*\*critical\*\* thinking -since you preach that so much. these soldiers are a symptom of what zionism is: an european \*\*settler\*\* colonial movement.
>were my questions difficult or something? Only like, 3 people answered them
Is it difficult to google or something? There's nothing difficult about it, as another person responding to you pointed out that you could have googled it and had your answer in a few seconds. It's not this sub that is averse to difficulty, but *you.* You also tried to portray yourself as merely being a high-minded skeptic and not a bad-faith denialist, but your claimed commitment to truth seems to stop as soon as you have to spend three seconds in google.
This sub is used to tons of pro-Israel people coming here in bad faith and using sealioning for atrocity denial. Arabs are used to being disbelieved too, by the entire western world.
I think, for documenting this or being able to reference this footage, that its useful to know who is being atracked, when, where, and what the aftermath was. I would like to know how severely the man attacked was injured.
Context is important, i feel. It gives us a fuller picture of the evil before us.
the sycophancy of some people..
yes of course in that *context* context does matter. it’s obvious that the other person was just being a zionazi troll.
I didnt read that, personally!
I commented above some of the context that i know about this clip. I dont speak turkish or hebrew, so i have to rely on subtitles. But this is well documented, and there are multiple turkish news sites that picked this up. Its understandable why someone would want help finding context IMO, but if thats being overly charitable, then so be it
how exhausting. i dont mind someone asking for actual, real context, without the question entailing this is all staged or 'we need more proof before we pass judgment'. im sure the ziobot above didnt ask for context when the fake lies about babies being beheaded or sexual violence being committed against zionists in occupied Palestine were spread on the internet.
there is a clear distinction between actual, well-meaning curiosity and just trolling and asking for more context when the aggression is quite plain to see. asking for more context just defeats the purpose of what is being portrayed in the video: an unarmed civilian being beaten the shit out of by troops. given that this is posted on the badhasbara sub and the poster literally explicitly wrote that this is in the west bank then it paints a better picture of what is going on.
people in the west are having the most intense cognitive dissonance ever realizing their countries are the source of all evil on earth -quite literally- and that they actually live under military and police rule even though they keep telling themselves they are 'free'.
I didnt check their profile to see if they were trolling, and the question "where is this from, whats the context?" Seems innocuous to me. If it doesnt to you then...idk, okay, thats fine too.
Were all on the same side as far as i can tell, the side of "fuck the genocidal state of Israel".
but my question ‘how does context matter here’ to that person basically meant ‘stop trying to relativize aggression when it’s obvious there is an oppressed and an oppressor’
and the issue is not the zionist regime. the issue is the west and its colonial endeavors. whoever sees this as an isolated exception to western culture is a deluded brainwashed f*ck.
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Your desperation is palpable!
What would be the need to make fake videos of Israelis abusing the human rights of Palestinians... when they cannot seem to help but show themselves for what they really are ALL THE TIME...?
The reason you were downvotes an met with a largely negative response is because you are mirroring the tactics used by those who want to deny and/or make excuses for the abuse, torture and murder of Palestinians.
Tell me, what would it change about the content of the video if you had the source?
I didn't even said anything pro-Israeli here XD I was just asking for source. The reason I was downvoted was because I dared to question the credibility of some random video from some random redditor without any source of the video. Seriously, touch grass.
> Tell me, what would it change about the content of the video if you had the source?
A lot. Some people actually bothered searching for links of the situation and now I know that it's actually happened and that thankfully those people were detained. Was it this hard?
>I didn't even said anything pro-Israeli here XD
Did you not ask about "context" in another comment thread? Was that not you?
You're coming across as disingenuous and I'm not sure I believe you were only concerned with finding the source for this video.
> Did you not ask about "context" in another comment thread? Was that not you?
I asked. Is it so evil to ask around in different places
> You're coming across as disingenuous and I'm not sure I believe you were only concerned with finding the source for this video.
And that's because I asked for contex? XDD Seriously, touch grass and meet some real people
>And that's because I asked for contex?
No. It was talking about asking for a source as if it was the full extent of your involvement here without mentioning your other comment... probably assumed I hadnt noticed or seen it.
You remind me of people who ask for "context" when they see a cop shoot and kill an unarmed citizen with his hands up.
I'd get you the source, but when I search "IDF beats Palestinian" I get thousands of videos WITH sources of IDF beating defenseless people. There are just too many instances of it happening to find this specific one for you.
Do you convince yourself by hiding behind asking for a source? Because you have not convinced any of us that you actually care what the context is. All the proof and sources for Israelis doing this every day, but you can't be bothered.
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The Israelis really are just a bunch of thugs.
Fascism is literally bullying as a political ideology.
That guy was surrendering. They didn't have to kick him...
The most moral army in the world. /s
I'm sure they honestly believe they showed restraint by not killing him outright
I don’t know, there’s no shortage of videos of these guys bragging about what total bastards they are to palestinians.
They don't do such things because the "have to". Thought they will claim they had to. "Look what you made me do". Cruelty is the point here.
They have a hall-pass. They can do whatever they like, and they like to bully Palestinian civilians, anyone. They hate them, and they know they get away with it. Strap a guy to a car? It causes international critique? Say that you're going to investigate it. Maybe you investigate it, say that this shouldn't happen. But I'm pretty sure these guys are not punished, or maybe they get some light chore, or are sent home for a week. Probably there will be an instruction not to do this for the time being, and that's it.
I don’t usually hate many people and or many things but I specifically, whole heartedly, deeply fucking hate these people. The kind of hate that will follow me for the rest of my life, it’s honestly so sad because I don’t want to hate these people but I can not shake this burning feeling in my chest. The utter disgust I feel is something I have never felt in my life.
Exactly. I’ve never experienced anything like my own reactions to this stuff. After being anti-war my whole life, I learned that I’m definitely *not* a pacifist.
Always have been.
That trains our police force...
💯‼️
These are just men with micro penises.
They’ve certainly changed since they used to be the ones on the other side.
They’re Nazis. Plain and simple.
So brave with 4 of them against one. And he can't respond in any way in case they kill him. Fucking cowards.
Armed to the teeth, 4 on 1, and still kicking someone who isn’t even fighting back while he’s on the floor. I don’t even think the word coward comes close to describing that level of shitbaggery.
Watching them gun down young teenagers over the years over rocks or protesting sent me down a very angry path about 2 decades ago. So this stuff lately has felt so obviously coming that I'm unclear how they still have the support it does. People I've known 30 years suddenly calling me an anti-semite are the same that called me a misogynist after I laid out everything wrong with Hillary for years. Yet supporting an Independent activity progressive Jew my whole life (Bernie Sanders) isn't enough. It's not his time or the "Jew's time" then but was for a nepo flip-flopping woman. People support whatever the media tells them to it appears.
Because it’s nothing to do with religion or gender or any of that. It’s trying to stifle debate by labelling something an ism that really isn’t that. They’ve learned that calling someone an antisemite is a quick way to put people on the back foot and reassert the Israeli victimhood narrative. I simply call it out - if opposing genocide makes me an antisemite according to some ludicrous backwards logic, then best of luck to whoever follows that. But I’m not wasting energy defending something that doesn’t need to be defended and engaging with people only on their terms.
Bc the media is a tool used by the smart and rich to fool the poor and dumb into a lifetime of slavery
So many people can't get past the idea that because they were so hideously persecuted in the holocaust, it means that Jewish people must be 'the good guys'. Most people don't pay enough attention to have any idea what has been happening to the Palestinians, especially in recent years. There is a section of the Ultra extremist Christians who desperately want WW3 to happen and they believe that it can only happen if there is a great battle in Israel. These are the people who have kept the support for Israel steady, especially in the US. The Israelis could be murdering Palestinian children on camera and it wouldn't cause them to stop supporting the Israelis.
To be fair, that camera is the most dangerous thing to them. They were fighting for their lives... /s
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These guys are just straight up nazis in a nazi society. They view Palestinians as untermensch, as does their entire society, and they, as ubermensch, are entirely free from any consequences of beating, humiliating, abusing, even killing people their bosses, politicians and society sees as untermensch. Totally degenerate nazi society that requires overwhelming, humiliating destruction, along similar lines to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan
It’s because they’ve never been held accountable for their atrocities or behavior but the world is finally waking up.
Exactly. That's why it's so dangerous to allow Bernie Sanders and the few other American politicians who are criticizing "Israel" to try and blame their current government for the genocide. It isn't just *this* government, it's every previous government. It's the people who "founded" the "society." It's everyone who has ever moved there, everyone who has ever served in the IOF, ***everyone.*** Even the "progressive Israelis" just want the occupation to be *nicer* to the Palestinians. It's a sick joke. The overwhelming majority of "Israelis" approve of the genocide. And a large percentage within that majority wish they were killing and destroying even *more.* Likewise, the majority approves of apartheid. They have a society where regular citizens are preventing food from reaching starving children. They barbecue while they block roads that would save starving children's lives. They mock Palestinians who have just been bombed, using makeup and whatnot to make themselves look injured, while they wail and shit, as if it's hilarious. They mock Palestinian mothers who just lost their children. A "country" that has existed for less than a century, that has done nothing but terrorism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide from day 0 is irredeemable. Fuck every single adult who lives there. Just in general, choosing to live there is inexcusable. But especially now, during an outright genocide? Anybody there who is not in prison for trying to stop this government and this genocide is beyond complicit, at this point.
Exactly correct. The only possible future for Israel is to actually treat their genociders, war criminals and thuggish soldiers as such. These guys in the video above, and many like them, should be humiliated as the cowardly scum they are and thrown in prison for brutal assaults on defenceless civilians, whose safety they should actually be responsible for. Senior IDF commanders and the entire political class should face Nuremberg style trials and be imprisoned for life, or even executed for genocide. But the chances of this happening are nil, it's laughable even, therefore Israel's only future is complete destruction. And deservedly so. Fuck them all.
The least moral army
Western news; *non existent*
We pay for their free college when we don't have that for ourselves. We give weapons, we give them billions of dollars. They continue to "buy" our politicians. And we pay for genocide, ethnic cleansing and appartied. When will this change?
Bleak facts.
Fuck Israel
America's best friend.
And America will never need enemies with a bestie like Israel.
Of course. American authorities would love be able to openly do this to every undocumented migrant and in every black neighborhood. They did it for hundreds of years prior.
Hundreds of years?
Yeah hundreds of years! Where you been?
American Tax Dollars at work...
Let them face a real military and we'll see how tough they are. They'd shit their pants and cry for their mommies.
FUCK THEM
They can’t fight straight up ever. They always realized they need guns and numbers to get one person
You misspelled “demons.” Bullies are mean kids who don’t know any better. These fuckers are grown adults who revel in being evil.
God I fucking hate these people
This is why they get beat up in the war because they never had experience of anyone fighting back. The training is reduced to beating up women and children and unarmed men.. anyone can beat a person When they're equipped with army boots, helmet, guns, body armor. They straight cowards..
Israeli are The most criminal terrorists in the world.
Fuck Zionism. Fuck the IDF. Fuck Israel.
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You'll never see these goons anywhere near a fair fight. It takes three heavily armed men to assault one unarmed journalist...but the journalist still wins!
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Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence. This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
Jews world-wide need to do more to distance themselves from this - A lot more!
Since October 7th a lot have been going in the other direction... but I think a lot of them will have some type of rude awakening eventually when they come to understand of the full reality of what they've aligned themselves with.
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He’s not wrong. I’ve heard it too. It’s the ultra defensiveness and calling everything antisemitism. Add to that a full on disregard of video evidence and history existing before Oct 7th.
They are dude wtf... Anyway there would be no Israel if not for the European colonisers that fucked that region up on purpose. Blaming Jewish people for once again having their identity used by white people to justify genocide is fucked up. Don't wait for minorities to stand up, do it yourself.
A bunch of thugs!
Disgusting
"IDF is most moral military in the world" I'm too cynical to laugh at such a absurd statement, but I know some could.
All the IDF does is commit hate crimes.
Settler colonialism at its finest
Someone please tell me how the Zionists justify this behaviour?! Please!
Doesn’t look much different than United States… they must train together
Eventually the tables will turn…
"wHy dO pEoPLe hAtE uS jOOooOoOoOooOoooZ???"
The once-oppressed have now become the oppressors, and they don't even seem to care that everyone knows. That indifference is scary as hell. Fcking fscists....
And the entire world just shrugged…
T'was ever thus, unfortunately. At least things are finally starting to change thanks to Gen Z!
Good, cause I’m tired after decades of seeing exploded children
3 decades so far for me... I saw Arafat and Rabin shake hands on the Whitehouse lawn as a teenager and I've been fixated on the region ever since.
I never trusted the Oslo accords, I have absolutely no time for any 2 state solution. You don’t give concessions to the colonial occupier, it’s a single state with equal rights for all or gtf back to Europe and leave the Arabs and Mizrahi Jews to live in peace like they did for the most part prior
I was a teenager at the time and totally fell for it, as did many Palestinians. The assassination of Rabin was the event that started to wake me up to Israel's dark side!
Israeli morality for you ..
"Most moral army..."
Every day I see another video or another image of these IOF monsters brutalizing helpless, unarmed civilians or of dead children and my rage towards them just gets larger and larger. No tears for any of them who gets unalived
“Hey stop filming us being the worst humans to have ever lived on this Earth!”
I’d fucking wipe that whole squad
Demonic
The STATE of Israel is so fucking evil.
Terrorists.
They can and they will make Khamas as an excuse.
They can't use that excuse in the West Bank/Occupied East Jerusalem.
Expecting integrity out of a regime that’s running PR for a genocide is a fool’s errand. They can and will use that excuse, even though it doesn’t make any sense to people who have been paying attention.
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Why do more work than the IOF propaganda machine is willing to do? Quit going for extra credit.
I loathe them.
They kick like pussy ass bitches
Zionazis.Thats all
I recognize this as Turkish language the camera-man is speaking. Anyone know the explanation for the clip? Context? Is this really the West Bank?
This was circulating vefore hristmas, and i remember seeing this with subtitles. The camera man is being rushed along and told not to film, but all the while is lamenting that his colleague was severely injured, and not knowing why they would do this. He asks the person moving him along why this is happening and is threatened as a response. Hes reporting to the audience the whole time what is going on. Granted, i dont speak turkish or hebrew, so im at the mercy of whoever subtitled it.
[Here's an article about the incident.](https://www.commondreams.org/news/israeli-soldiers-assault-journalist) [Another source with more information](https://www.trtworld.com/turkiye/us-urges-investigation-into-assault-on-anadolu-journalist-by-israeli-forces-16301318): > The US has said it is "deeply concerned" by Israeli soldiers' violent assault on Anadolu photojournalist Mustafa Alkharouf in occupied East Jerusalem and urged an investigation. > > "I did see the video. We are deeply concerned by the disturbing images of the use of force against a journalist that was depicted in those videos," State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said on Monday in response to Anadolu's question regarding the violent assault on Mustafa Alkharouf. > > "We think it's appropriate that those in the video be investigated," Miller said, adding that the people involved should be held accountable if appropriate. > > Miller said the US expects militaries around the world to take appropriate actions when individual soldiers commit acts in violation of international humanitarian law. > ... > Israeli authorities announced that police officers seen in the video attacking journalist Alkharouf had been suspended. > > However, Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir talked to a police officer Saturday who assaulted Alkharouf and promised his return to duty "as soon as possible." > > Ben-Gvir wrote on X that he conveyed that he would strive for his return to active duty. Asked about Ben-Gvir's comments, Miller said he didn't see the comment and does not have further comments to make. > >
Fuck that slimy worm Matthew Miller. In a perfect world he’d be put on trial for abetting a genocide.
Miller's never met an Israeli war crime he didn't approve of.
The guy getting beat up is a journalist apparently. Guy on the mic is just narrating the situation. At the end he calls his cameraman to come back as the soldier is telling them to go away. Source: im a turk
Why did they beat him like that? If he was a perceived threat just zip the him and chuck him in a vehical 🤷♂️
The irony eluded them, history can repeat itself and simpathy can be lost for one group in particular
Israel has to be held accountable, seriously. Like for real. Are we going to trim a blind eye where it's convenient? That's not the American I am. Who the fuck is running out country.
No words to describe these evil people.
May every soldier in this video enjoy chowing down on a tasty tasty hamas bullet before they go to fucking hell 😋 😀 😜 😊
All those officers deserve to be strapped to the ground booted in the head til they can’t tell the difference between their face and the pavement. Absolutely horrific. No excuse.
We gave them billions and billions and billions of dollars and this is what we got from it. Sweet. So glad we support this.
This is a very sick group of people. Fuck Hitler for creating these monstrosities.
Zionism pre-dates WW1 and WW2 Don't take away their guilt by saying they were created by somebody other than Zionists.
Disgusting country of people that should be buried deep in the ground with no breathing apparatus
Pigs
Biggest p*ss in the world
Trash
Literally modern day n@zis. I detest these fools
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Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence. This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
Expecting mercy from your enemy is stupidity.
The bullied became the bully
Synagogue of Satan
Stop resisting!
Theres *lots* of things they cant use hamas as an excuse for. Pretty much everything
Filth
All I see is a bunch of pussies and 1 man.
Revelations 3,9
Very tough against women, children and unarmed civilians. In Gaza where they have to fight actual Soldiers, they NEVER leave their tanks or armored vehicles. Facts.
Check out an old interview of Minister Lewis farakahn on the donahue show
Third world countries are turning to Russia and China for help. They see how diabolical America is, and they want nothing to do with this great evil (nor her friend Israel and Satanyahu).
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Something tells me you dont think much at all
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-troops-filmed-brutally-beating-palestinian-photojournalist-in-east-jerusalem/ It took me 2 seconds on Google to find this article. It's an Israeli news outlet, and it was not fake or staged. There are multiple other sources available if you just type in a Google search for "Palestinian journalist kicked in the head by IDF soldiers." Good luck out there.
thank you for the link
His name is Mustafa Haruf and [he is a Palestinian photographer who works for Turkish news outlet Anadolu Ajansı.](https://x.com/SaadAbedine/status/1735629049228083335) His crime was filming the police while they were using violence to prevent Muslims from worshiping at one of the holiest places in Islam. And it's not like it's implausible that Israelis would do this. A few other Israeli abuses of reporters for your perusal (and [here's a link](https://x.com/search?q=israeli%20assault%20journalist&f=media) if you want to see infinitely more videos of the same): * https://x.com/BesDMarx/status/1713686739464634580 * https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/1394733367778709506 * https://x.com/dianabuttu/status/1401260170848747521 * https://x.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1394241924794667011 * https://x.com/nirhasson/status/1391665602180395009
the ziobot isnt interested in context. all they do is come on here and try to discredit everything. even if you send that zionazi 10000 videos they would still say they could be fake. they’re a waste of time and to be quite frank a waste of oxygen
I literally thanked for links xd you're obsessed
you literally just posted that zionism means jews are entitled to their land and you stand by that idea. you’re a genocidal maniac. zionism is a settler colonial movement. you’re fooling no one.
And I stand by that, but alas, I can't remember saying that when I asked for context here. I even said that it was good that these soldiers were detained. You should drink some hot tea or something
if you cant seem to see the connection between these soldiers and zionism then that says a lot about you and my advice is get an education on \*\*critical\*\* thinking -since you preach that so much. these soldiers are a symptom of what zionism is: an european \*\*settler\*\* colonial movement.
It's a shame you are late to the party. Btw. were my questions difficult or something? Only like, 3 people answered them
>were my questions difficult or something? Only like, 3 people answered them Is it difficult to google or something? There's nothing difficult about it, as another person responding to you pointed out that you could have googled it and had your answer in a few seconds. It's not this sub that is averse to difficulty, but *you.* You also tried to portray yourself as merely being a high-minded skeptic and not a bad-faith denialist, but your claimed commitment to truth seems to stop as soon as you have to spend three seconds in google. This sub is used to tons of pro-Israel people coming here in bad faith and using sealioning for atrocity denial. Arabs are used to being disbelieved too, by the entire western world.
how is context relevant?? a bunch of thugs armed with automatic rifles are beating the crap out of a guy. why does context matter??
I think, for documenting this or being able to reference this footage, that its useful to know who is being atracked, when, where, and what the aftermath was. I would like to know how severely the man attacked was injured. Context is important, i feel. It gives us a fuller picture of the evil before us.
the sycophancy of some people.. yes of course in that *context* context does matter. it’s obvious that the other person was just being a zionazi troll.
I didnt read that, personally! I commented above some of the context that i know about this clip. I dont speak turkish or hebrew, so i have to rely on subtitles. But this is well documented, and there are multiple turkish news sites that picked this up. Its understandable why someone would want help finding context IMO, but if thats being overly charitable, then so be it
how exhausting. i dont mind someone asking for actual, real context, without the question entailing this is all staged or 'we need more proof before we pass judgment'. im sure the ziobot above didnt ask for context when the fake lies about babies being beheaded or sexual violence being committed against zionists in occupied Palestine were spread on the internet. there is a clear distinction between actual, well-meaning curiosity and just trolling and asking for more context when the aggression is quite plain to see. asking for more context just defeats the purpose of what is being portrayed in the video: an unarmed civilian being beaten the shit out of by troops. given that this is posted on the badhasbara sub and the poster literally explicitly wrote that this is in the west bank then it paints a better picture of what is going on. people in the west are having the most intense cognitive dissonance ever realizing their countries are the source of all evil on earth -quite literally- and that they actually live under military and police rule even though they keep telling themselves they are 'free'.
I didnt check their profile to see if they were trolling, and the question "where is this from, whats the context?" Seems innocuous to me. If it doesnt to you then...idk, okay, thats fine too. Were all on the same side as far as i can tell, the side of "fuck the genocidal state of Israel".
but my question ‘how does context matter here’ to that person basically meant ‘stop trying to relativize aggression when it’s obvious there is an oppressed and an oppressor’ and the issue is not the zionist regime. the issue is the west and its colonial endeavors. whoever sees this as an isolated exception to western culture is a deluded brainwashed f*ck.
I was just trying to answer a question, man
All I did was ask for context XD You're spending waaay too much time on reddit
and you’re spending too much time being a genocide apologist and consuming western propaganda.
That's literally some random video without any source. This could be fake video. Some critical thinking, ffs
are you serious? how is this a fake video? you think this was all staged? a movie set? some critical thinking, ffs.
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Your desperation is palpable! What would be the need to make fake videos of Israelis abusing the human rights of Palestinians... when they cannot seem to help but show themselves for what they really are ALL THE TIME...?
All I asked for was source or some other link. Instead I was downvoted and some of you got really defensive. That's not nice
The reason you were downvotes an met with a largely negative response is because you are mirroring the tactics used by those who want to deny and/or make excuses for the abuse, torture and murder of Palestinians. Tell me, what would it change about the content of the video if you had the source?
I didn't even said anything pro-Israeli here XD I was just asking for source. The reason I was downvoted was because I dared to question the credibility of some random video from some random redditor without any source of the video. Seriously, touch grass. > Tell me, what would it change about the content of the video if you had the source? A lot. Some people actually bothered searching for links of the situation and now I know that it's actually happened and that thankfully those people were detained. Was it this hard?
>I didn't even said anything pro-Israeli here XD Did you not ask about "context" in another comment thread? Was that not you? You're coming across as disingenuous and I'm not sure I believe you were only concerned with finding the source for this video.
> Did you not ask about "context" in another comment thread? Was that not you? I asked. Is it so evil to ask around in different places > You're coming across as disingenuous and I'm not sure I believe you were only concerned with finding the source for this video. And that's because I asked for contex? XDD Seriously, touch grass and meet some real people
>And that's because I asked for contex? No. It was talking about asking for a source as if it was the full extent of your involvement here without mentioning your other comment... probably assumed I hadnt noticed or seen it. You remind me of people who ask for "context" when they see a cop shoot and kill an unarmed citizen with his hands up.
This could be a fake website, you're talking to fake accounts, your house and parents are also fake. Use some critical thinking ffs.
I'd get you the source, but when I search "IDF beats Palestinian" I get thousands of videos WITH sources of IDF beating defenseless people. There are just too many instances of it happening to find this specific one for you. Do you convince yourself by hiding behind asking for a source? Because you have not convinced any of us that you actually care what the context is. All the proof and sources for Israelis doing this every day, but you can't be bothered.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israeli-soldiers-assault-journalist Just Google "idf hits journalist with gun"
Thanks for the link. Was it this hard to provide some further context?
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Generalisation like this is **not acceptable**! # #NotHelping
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