Since Jesus is the son of God and has God powers, did he even need a measuring tape or pencil? He would just eyeball everything and it would be perfect!
Or maybe everyone got it wrong and he was a woodworker, not a carpenter. Jesus was like,"I will frame no houses or build no structures and will only create cutting boards and coffee tables in the name of my father.". "Give a man a cutting board and he'll cut bread for a lifetime, teach a man to make cutting boards and his wife will get mad that he has too many cutting boards laying around the house.".
Working too fast. I used the work piece as the template to mark the lines... But didn't use the same template each time... 🤦Things got out of hand quick. Lesson learned
It's no biggie, it's legs for a bench, so I can just shorten them on my crosscut sled, which has a stopblock
I'll mention one other detail. It looks like you have one raw end. It's usually best to clean up the raw ends before cutting to length.
Have fun! I've heard it's a sign of a real pro to be able to fix mistakes as you work. :)
If you put one over the other being sure to keep one side evened up, then bump them both over until the cut one touches the blade it can make them pretty even without marking
If your fence isn't long enough for a cut, you can attach a piece of longer wood along the length of the fence (both sides of the blade) making sure it extends far enough to the right to allow you to clamp a block to it on the right. Most fences will have screw holes so you can securely fix it. Your first cut will make a cut in your new fence. You now have a longer fence and can make repeated cuts very quickly and accurately.
This Steve Ramsey basics video explains it better than I have: https://youtu.be/RPUgrhnJVbU?si=8U-8JWJPr7b6Ohng
You should watch it all, but the stop block idea is about 7:40 in to the video, extension fence at about 8:40.
Really nice video with a lot of stuff covered. Too bad that he thinks he can get by without wearing a microphone. It is very tiring to my ears to listen to the bad acoustics in his workshop.
Someone tried to make all those boards identical in length, likely by re-measuring for each cut, which can lead to large variations in board lengths. Using a stop block system on a miter saw helps maintain a specific length for consistent cuts
Work on basic principles first. Stop blocks are great, but you need to establish a system for yourself to cut efficiently.
Always cut on the scrap side of your line. Saw blades remove about 3/32" of material, called a kerf, so always cutting on the scrap side of your line is very important.
When I lay anything out, I always mark the scrap side of a cut line with a little tick when squaring it across. This helps if I'm cutting multiple pieces from a single piece of stock so that I can allow for my kerfs and remember which side of the line I need to cut on.
Practice and consistency make progress. Don't go too fast when you're just starting. It doesn't save you any time. Slow is smooth. Smooth is Fast.
Happy cutting, Partner.
When I only had a miter saw on a stand back in the day I would stack boxes up as a stop. Just make sure they are heavy enough and it’s fine.
Just use your noggin next time. Nearly anything can be used as a stop.
I'm imagining you just locking the trigger on the saw and frantically slamming the bade down piece after piece like some overworked assembly line robot.
Whether that's what you did or not, slow it down man. Working too fast is how accidents happen and fingers are lost.
Stop blocks are just a nice feature. You can do better with just closer attention paid. This might sound rude, but it looks like you just threw it on the saw and slammed it through without much of a second thought.
Line up the teeth of your saw on the scrap side of your line. I put the blade directly on the wood to line it up. Then raise slightly, start the saw, then cut.
Teaching my 15yr old how to use a miter saw this spring to do a motherboard project. That's very similar to his cuts. I generally don't use that tool for final dimensions.
To be clear, I would never use any cut piece as a template. Dimensions can drift and a 16th can become an 1/8th fast. But with any guidance there's an exception, use a marking knife. Where the barrel of a pencil/pen can move the mark, if you're practiced with a marking knife you can get precise marks repeatedly.
I find making knives hard to read on wood that has a rough surface, like this construction grade cedar. I much prefer a mechanical pencil.
What I think was also happening is the tear out from the previous cut might have made my line less accurate. I think a zero insert plate is in order too.
Build a zero clearance insert for your mitre saw. Then measure piece by hooking your tape in the slot and lining up end of piece with your desired measurement. You can get pretty darn accurate…easily…this way.
(And use same tape for measuring all your pieces!)
An easy trick is to measure your first board, make the cut and then mark the board. That's your cheat sheet. You then line that cut board on top and pull the blade down till it butts up again the marked board, keeping the boards edges flush. Then make the cut.
Always use the first board you cut as a reference. Clamp it down if need be.
I still don’t have a stop block and I have been at it over 20 years. If you are making a series of repeated cuts, just get some clamps and a straight piece of anything to create a stop block. Or if you have a table you don’t care about as much, just screw a straight piece down at your mark. It is simple, and accurate. If I have to make more than say 10 cuts, and they are not too long, I’ll actually use the table saw with various jigs. The motion is more relaxing, like rowing, versus chopping.
Lordess, the reason I say make your own is because then it is to your specs. Its not to be a smartass. Always make your own stands whether it be metal wood or pvc.
Good points! Always good to go custom. Also blindly following a guide has gotten me in trouble too. Just recently I made a router table for my palm router that doesn't fit 🙃
Not really fond of that method, cutting multiple boards even if securely clamped freaks me out. I'll just size them down on a crosscut sled. Slower but safer imo.
Currently all my cuts are via skill saw. To even out lengths, everything is being cut a tiny bit over, then one end clamped together dead flush, then I'm trimming the final mm or so of the other end flush with a homemade saw track (which I need to rebuild because I may have spent too much money on a slightly nicer skillie on the weekend)
How long are the pieces?
One thing that you can do, particularly if too long for a convenient stop block, is to cut one to the correct length. This becomes your reference. Then, lay your reference on top of the next piece to cut. With the blade turned off, lower the blade and slide the two pieces until your reference butts against the side of your blade. Then, slide your reference out of the way so it doesn’t interfere with the saw (without moving the piece you’re about to cut).
Always measure against the reference piece.
Practicing to cut to a line is ultimately a better skill to learn, but this may get you started.
https://preview.redd.it/f5vznzzh7n9d1.jpeg?width=1848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=441ef6bc2c6c4d1ae667846006bed4483a5a8157
It works!! I have been putting it off, dreaming one day of making a full miter station with cabinets. This works in the meantime.
I am by no means an expert. What I do is clamp my piece of wood down when I cut that way nothing can move.
For the next piece I just put that board over the next one and mark it. I get near perfect cuts every time.
Stop block or no, you can do better than this. I believe in you. Take the time to do it right.
Mark 10:27 - Jesus looked at them and said, 'With man it is impossible, but not with a stop block. For all things are possible with a stop block.'
Nailed it
I see what you did there.
I saw too
You aren’t pulling your Pontius
He can now cross it off his bucket list
So jot *that* down.
I bet Jesus probably actually did use stop blocks and am going to pretend this is a real verse. Amen!
Since Jesus is the son of God and has God powers, did he even need a measuring tape or pencil? He would just eyeball everything and it would be perfect! Or maybe everyone got it wrong and he was a woodworker, not a carpenter. Jesus was like,"I will frame no houses or build no structures and will only create cutting boards and coffee tables in the name of my father.". "Give a man a cutting board and he'll cut bread for a lifetime, teach a man to make cutting boards and his wife will get mad that he has too many cutting boards laying around the house.".
But a good and obedient wife complanith not, and is cherished.
[Don’t listen to him Jesus was a terrible carpenter.](https://youtu.be/OclYAJhyNY0?feature=shared)
Now I have consulted with several professionals and they all told me that 3 is the minimum number of legs for a table.
If a priest wears a miter, does that mean the pope wears an allmiter?
You don’t need a Mark with a stop block
Working too fast. I used the work piece as the template to mark the lines... But didn't use the same template each time... 🤦Things got out of hand quick. Lesson learned It's no biggie, it's legs for a bench, so I can just shorten them on my crosscut sled, which has a stopblock
I'll mention one other detail. It looks like you have one raw end. It's usually best to clean up the raw ends before cutting to length. Have fun! I've heard it's a sign of a real pro to be able to fix mistakes as you work. :)
Exactly! I can hide my mistakes better
And when cleaning up raw ends, look to see if there are checks or cracks or other issues to remove. I try to mark it all out first.
if so, i‘d rather cut them all a bit to long an clean them up on your sled. give it a rough cut in length and cut both sides on your table saw
If you put one over the other being sure to keep one side evened up, then bump them both over until the cut one touches the blade it can make them pretty even without marking
I use a piece of wood and and a clamp in a pinch. Pencil mark on the saw if perfect isnt that necessary.
If your fence isn't long enough for a cut, you can attach a piece of longer wood along the length of the fence (both sides of the blade) making sure it extends far enough to the right to allow you to clamp a block to it on the right. Most fences will have screw holes so you can securely fix it. Your first cut will make a cut in your new fence. You now have a longer fence and can make repeated cuts very quickly and accurately. This Steve Ramsey basics video explains it better than I have: https://youtu.be/RPUgrhnJVbU?si=8U-8JWJPr7b6Ohng You should watch it all, but the stop block idea is about 7:40 in to the video, extension fence at about 8:40.
Really nice video with a lot of stuff covered. Too bad that he thinks he can get by without wearing a microphone. It is very tiring to my ears to listen to the bad acoustics in his workshop.
His newer videos are better, but all of his stuff is gold for new woodworkers.
Yeah there were many options to get uniform cuts, you just didn't know/use them.
ie: tape measure
Lmao yikes
As a wannabe woodworker beginner.. what are we looking at here? 😋
Someone tried to make all those boards identical in length, likely by re-measuring for each cut, which can lead to large variations in board lengths. Using a stop block system on a miter saw helps maintain a specific length for consistent cuts
Precision, or rather the lack thereof.
Work on basic principles first. Stop blocks are great, but you need to establish a system for yourself to cut efficiently. Always cut on the scrap side of your line. Saw blades remove about 3/32" of material, called a kerf, so always cutting on the scrap side of your line is very important. When I lay anything out, I always mark the scrap side of a cut line with a little tick when squaring it across. This helps if I'm cutting multiple pieces from a single piece of stock so that I can allow for my kerfs and remember which side of the line I need to cut on. Practice and consistency make progress. Don't go too fast when you're just starting. It doesn't save you any time. Slow is smooth. Smooth is Fast. Happy cutting, Partner.
When I only had a miter saw on a stand back in the day I would stack boxes up as a stop. Just make sure they are heavy enough and it’s fine. Just use your noggin next time. Nearly anything can be used as a stop.
Wood surface with wooden block just screw in the block and bobs your auntie.
Never heard of aunt Bob, is she Canadian?
She must be! I just like saying it to see how people react.
My uncle used to love me but she died
Bruv, there's a second half if you wanna use the female version, lol. The whole saying is 'Bob's your uncle and Fanny's your aunt'
How are you making your marks? This seems too erroneous for a cutting issue and could be a reading or measuring issue.
To be honest I think I cut on the wrong side of the line a few times 🤣🤣🤣 just working too fast.
I'm imagining you just locking the trigger on the saw and frantically slamming the bade down piece after piece like some overworked assembly line robot. Whether that's what you did or not, slow it down man. Working too fast is how accidents happen and fingers are lost.
Like Lucy and Ethel got jobs in woodworking after they lost their jobs at that chocolate factory 😂
Is your line an inch thick? I don't understand how you missed by so far. A pencil, tape measure and any saw should get you way closer than that.
Cross-cutting with a dado stack.
Brother man, wtf!?!? Stevie wonder could have done better.
Stop blocks are just a nice feature. You can do better with just closer attention paid. This might sound rude, but it looks like you just threw it on the saw and slammed it through without much of a second thought. Line up the teeth of your saw on the scrap side of your line. I put the blade directly on the wood to line it up. Then raise slightly, start the saw, then cut.
you should be able to tape measure and pencil line way more accurately than this. keep practicing.
A stop block is a chunk of wood clamped to anything lol
I mean, any thing can be a stop block. Know you know you need to use it
Teaching my 15yr old how to use a miter saw this spring to do a motherboard project. That's very similar to his cuts. I generally don't use that tool for final dimensions.
They're not my worst ones but it's pretty close... I do have a crosscut sled that will fix them 😁
Never use the first piece as a template. Does your miter saw have a laser or a light? That can make a difference.
Why not the first piece?
To be clear, I would never use any cut piece as a template. Dimensions can drift and a 16th can become an 1/8th fast. But with any guidance there's an exception, use a marking knife. Where the barrel of a pencil/pen can move the mark, if you're practiced with a marking knife you can get precise marks repeatedly.
I find making knives hard to read on wood that has a rough surface, like this construction grade cedar. I much prefer a mechanical pencil. What I think was also happening is the tear out from the previous cut might have made my line less accurate. I think a zero insert plate is in order too.
Stack them, butt one end of them up to a straight edge of some sort and cut the uneven ends off at one time on the chop saw
I think I saw an add for a stop block on sale for only $49.95!
Just do what I do: Put it through one more time, with them all viced together
Are you measuring by guessing?
Stop block or no, learn to measure correctly and split a line.
Scrap wood clamped to the miter station. Instant stop block. You can do this!
Build a zero clearance insert for your mitre saw. Then measure piece by hooking your tape in the slot and lining up end of piece with your desired measurement. You can get pretty darn accurate…easily…this way. (And use same tape for measuring all your pieces!)
An easy trick is to measure your first board, make the cut and then mark the board. That's your cheat sheet. You then line that cut board on top and pull the blade down till it butts up again the marked board, keeping the boards edges flush. Then make the cut. Always use the first board you cut as a reference. Clamp it down if need be.
I still don’t have a stop block and I have been at it over 20 years. If you are making a series of repeated cuts, just get some clamps and a straight piece of anything to create a stop block. Or if you have a table you don’t care about as much, just screw a straight piece down at your mark. It is simple, and accurate. If I have to make more than say 10 cuts, and they are not too long, I’ll actually use the table saw with various jigs. The motion is more relaxing, like rowing, versus chopping.
Lord says make your own
https://preview.redd.it/6egci6gb7n9d1.jpeg?width=1848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=822f2f11a9ab44ba25609433f291cdbee6009b3b Thank you lord gringa
Lordess, the reason I say make your own is because then it is to your specs. Its not to be a smartass. Always make your own stands whether it be metal wood or pvc.
Good points! Always good to go custom. Also blindly following a guide has gotten me in trouble too. Just recently I made a router table for my palm router that doesn't fit 🙃
And now you have them all laid out like that, just do what the fence and deck guys do and run ur circ saw straight dowm that edge. Absolutely mint
Not really fond of that method, cutting multiple boards even if securely clamped freaks me out. I'll just size them down on a crosscut sled. Slower but safer imo.
What are you measuring with? A piece of elastic?
🤣 Why did I read this in a new jersey accent
I dunno but now I can't unhear it 😆
Just clamp some scrap wood into the saw to act as one. If it's too long clamp a longer piece of wood with a block nailed to it in.
Use the first piece you cut to length to measure each piece till your done. No stop block needed.
Bro how?
Combination of rushing, not using the same template, and maybe cutting on the wrong side of the line a few times
Currently all my cuts are via skill saw. To even out lengths, everything is being cut a tiny bit over, then one end clamped together dead flush, then I'm trimming the final mm or so of the other end flush with a homemade saw track (which I need to rebuild because I may have spent too much money on a slightly nicer skillie on the weekend)
How long are the pieces? One thing that you can do, particularly if too long for a convenient stop block, is to cut one to the correct length. This becomes your reference. Then, lay your reference on top of the next piece to cut. With the blade turned off, lower the blade and slide the two pieces until your reference butts against the side of your blade. Then, slide your reference out of the way so it doesn’t interfere with the saw (without moving the piece you’re about to cut). Always measure against the reference piece. Practicing to cut to a line is ultimately a better skill to learn, but this may get you started.
That’s perfect! Keep up the good work!
Thanks dad
Make one.
Okay, for your cake day.
https://preview.redd.it/f5vznzzh7n9d1.jpeg?width=1848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=441ef6bc2c6c4d1ae667846006bed4483a5a8157 It works!! I have been putting it off, dreaming one day of making a full miter station with cabinets. This works in the meantime.
I am by no means an expert. What I do is clamp my piece of wood down when I cut that way nothing can move. For the next piece I just put that board over the next one and mark it. I get near perfect cuts every time.