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Crafty woman with art major and PHOTOSHOP. They know what she majored in can't figure out how the pictures cam to be. Time to put their brains on and stop that creepy woman.
Not just manipulated, but *meticulously* manipulated with clear intentions and planning from start to finish down to the details?! Like editing the photos giving him a more current physique with recent tattoos post relationship with her timestamped to match up with his visit home where he didn’t even encounter her?!
You might not see Jess, but Jess sees you 👀👀
The thing is that even I, with my crappy level of self-taught image editing skills, could do what Jess did, and convincingly with enough time and practice. Why did the author have to make Jess an arts major and graphic designer?
For anyone who doesn’t know
Photoshop now has generative AI tools built in
You can load a picture of a person, draw a crude circle around their hand, and say “a hand with a wedding ring” and it will be basically perfect
Dang, I remember when the healing brush was released and it was like *magic* compared to retouching using normal clone tools. That's wild to learn how far it has come.
They should have those pictures analyzed by an expert. If it's photoshopped there will be clear evidence of it, you just have to know exactly what to look for. I bet you could get someone to analyze just a couple of the pictures for a few hours for like $250. Would be worth it imo.
Although I'd have no idea where to start to find a credible expert for something like this. May be easier said than done
Haha, it’s an ancient meme. People would respond this to obviously photoshopped pictures early in the internet days.
In reality, it’s actually quite hard for even an expert to tell a well doctored photoshop and certainly not by just any characteristic of individual pixels. An amateur photoshop sure, but any filter over an edited image makes it really hard to notice cut and paste marks or artifacts.
And the woman I believe the movie is loosely based on became a right wing pundit. Surprise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_University_1997_harassment_controversy
Lol i love the part when Jim calls him and tells him to be alone because he doesn't want Olivia to hear, and OOP magically knows that whatever he is going to say next will be beneficial for Olivia to listen in on. Come on.
That’s your smoking gun? I got one:
How about Jess and Olivia being connected on Facebook and Olivia not seeing through the BS when Jess claims she didn’t know OOP was her husband? So Olivia, who for all intents and purposes is both active enough on FB to join/interact in a group AND in a cordial marriage, has no pictures of her husband anywhere on her profile? C’mon now lol
So crazy girl is photoshopping OOP and his wife into compromising scenarios in the hopes of breaking up the marriage? This is some next level bullshit.
I would take all the photos and take them to someone who does professional photoshop and have the pictures broken down.
Plus he recognises that it is definitely him, he was in those places at those times, just not with Jess. So surely there are original photos of him that she's put herself into? How does no one recognise them at all, and have a copy of the originals?
She was clearly stalking him as she knew everything about all his trips back home. This isn't that much of a reach for someone already going to these lengths.
It does absolutely boggle the (relatively well-adjusted) mind! Which is what makes it terrifying; I'm glad OOP is on high alert--who knows what else she's capable of?
I mean at this point is pretty reasonable to assume she moved to the city he lived in and found a way to stay hanging out with his wife. The pictures are the tip of the iceberg
> He said it’s in clothes he doesn’t own though.
But the tatoos were accurate, just not for the time when he got them.
Extra creepy factor.
So like, there's a civil suit in the makings with this right?
It's probably AI, she's using real photos and just adding herself/op to said phots and just editing the fuck out of them?. Kinda glad that Oliva opened her eyes and believed OP, i had a fear they were breaking up
They're photos Jess took and cropped them into. OOPs wife mentioned that her apple watch was on the wrong hand, so I'm assuming she's photo-shopping them instead
That's what I'm feeling too. Somehow every photo had no proof it was photoshopped? Even the one with the wife apparently looked real except for the watch. Yeah I'm not buying that.
Why? They event left hints for the readers like 'she's a graphic designer'. I bet it was perfect in their heads, lol. Why the fuck am i wasting my life on this sub
If she changed them, then did a screen cap then filtered that just a little it would be difficult to tell depending on resolution. However, all you need to do is open the metadata on the images and you will know when and where it was created. It’s possible to alter that, but it’s much easier to see it’s been altered. Some photoshop wizards do an amazing job now, and photoshop has generative AI so it’s going to be harder to tell. But data is easier to see.
Difficult for the human eye to tell
Not so difficult for software designed to check for photo manipulation to tell. Just being able to say the photos are filtered would call them into question.
Photoshop can be convincing but it's not magic. I find it really hard to believe that some random person who isn't a professional graphic designer could have faked multiple shots from multiple angles, involving multiple people, so convincingly that even their spouses couldn't tell. What source materials were they working with? Camera phone pictures? Did Olivia even remember getting her picture taken that night, along with the guys at the table? So Jess was whipping out her iphone and taking a sneaky shot here and there, and those were good enough to photoshop Olivia convincingly into poses and expressions like a "kissing on the cheek" face that didn't happen in real life? Did Jess run after that group of guys and say "hey come back here to the table, hold out your arms like you're hugging someone so I can photoshop Olivia right in there?" And she got all the photos at the same angle, the same distance, the same lighting so that she could flawlessly match them...?
Anyone who thinks this is realistic should honestly try it themselves. Take as many photos as you want of two friends NOT physically interacting and try to make it look like they're hugging or kissing. Again, not just by pasting their heads on a third photo of two different people hugging, because the clothes and bodies have to match perfectly as well. See if you can make it look so convincing that it doesn't even look Photoshopped.
>I find it really hard to believe that some random person who isn't a professional graphic designer could have faked multiple shots
I'm not saying I believe the story is true, but as it is told, Jess straight up is a professional graphic designer. She went to college for it and now owns her own business doing graphic design.
She is a professional graphics designer. You never know what she could have gotten her hands on, especially if she is working through his friends group for dirt.
I'm thinking deep fakes. All it takes is like what, 10 clear photos (easy to source online) and you can put someone's face/body anywhere you want. Old photo of an ex that you really like? Bam, you were chillen with the Rock instead.
Bingo!
You can even use a reference photo for their poses and a different one for the background. Take a few pictures in the bar for the background, grab a stock photo of a couple off Google, combine with reference pics of who you want to be in it *ET VOILÀ*
No photoshop required and the AI renders the entire image.
I would guess deepfakes instead of photoshop.
Shit like the Apple Watch being on the wrong hand makes me think AI mess up rather than someone photoshopping a person in.
What do you mean? I thought all graphic designers/artists are trained to perfectly match shadows, scale, lighting, and quality in pictures from events that occurred years prior? Am I living a lie???? How else am I going to destroy the life of my ex from 7 years ago????
Sounds to me like buddy got amateur friends to try to prove that it's Photoshop. All I have to do to remove "proof of Photoshop" in a way that an amateur wouldn't be able to detect is finish the photo completely, screenshot my screen, crop until it's just the image and save as a jpeg. Then load it into snapchat, put a lighting filter on it, and save it to my phone. Simple.
Seems like everyone is skipping over the fact that OOP never put together that new friend Jess and ex fiancé were the same age, same name, and same birthday as ex-fiancé Jess
Right?
If my husband had a friend with the name of an ex, I wouldn't think anything about it. But if that friend shared the same birthdate AND name of my ex, I would at the very least have questions. Namely "What is their last name and do you happen to know what city they're from because that sounds suspiciously like my ex."
It's probably not going to be them. At least if the name is common like Jessica is. But you'd still wonder.
I mean, I had a 4 year relationship end about 13 years ago or so now and I cannot for the life of me remember my ex’s age or birthdate so it’s possible that OOP didn’t think about it like that. Especially with such a common name.
Also so convenient that the Thursday Jim finally decides to share the clubbing pictures is the exact same Thursday Olivia skips painting and wine night.
And the name "Jess". Reddit yarners always name their villains "Jess".
And everybody has a suspiciously a detailed memory of which acquaintance was where on what day.
It was a cold night. Rain sifted down out the sky, a silvery drizzle softly blanketing me. Oh, did I mention she was a graphic designer with mad photo skillz? Yeah, totally. So yeah, my armour was soaking wet and my horse was clearly miserable.
Did we even clear up the mystery OOP+Jess photos?
In The Golden Girls, the supposed images of Blanche with Rose's husband turned out to be double exposures of a film used twice (still totally implausible, but at least they had actual camera film back then).
Deepfakes. As long as there’s a person there, AI can swap them out with someone else.
Jess took those photos with someone else and ran them through a deepfake generator.
Timeline:
- OOP and Jess get together in college but break up due to differences in lifestyle.
- Jess harasses OOP for a year until OOP finally blocks her
- OOP moves town
- OOP meets, dates (2yrs), and marries (3yrs) Olivia
- OOP is busy with friends on Thursday nights and Olivia complains about being bored. Eventually Olivia finds a painting group to join on Thursdays. Jess is the organiser of this group.
- Jess convinces all painting group members to go clubbing and tries to initiate Olivia to cheat. However, Olivia calls OOP and he comes to bring her home.
- Jess sends doctored photos to Jim of Olivia cheating, but Jim does not pass them on to OOP
- Olivia hosts a painting night at OOP's apartment. Jess tells Olivia that her and OOP were still meeting up after he started dating Olivia.
- Jess sends doctored photos backing up her claim and Olivia believes her
- OOP can't disprove the photos despite speaking to friends and family who were with him.
- Jim finally comes forward with the original doctored photos and an account of what happened.
- Jess is still pushing Olivia to be friends but both now know she was trying to break them up.
...
Premise is plausible.
Also, IMO, complaining that you're bored because your partner plays games with their friends once a week is codependant. You should be able to survive a few hours on your own. Finding a hobby for that time is good, but it should never have been a complaint.
ETA as its in a few comments below:
>However, one of the sticking points we always had was my Thursday nights. 3 of my closest college friends are now scattered all across the country and we generally play a video game together on Thursday evenings since our college days. Olivia complained that she gets bored during that time
Olivia initially complained to OOP
The main sticking point is that he first says that he never owned any clothes like what he’s wearing in the pics and later that she knew what he was wearing implying that the clothes in the pics were what he wore those days
I thought he was saying he never owned the clothes *when they were together*, but on re-reading, your interpretation is what's actually written... So either he mistyped and I somehow inferred correctly, or internal inconsistency!
Yeah but it could have been more like OP asked Olivia what she's planning on doing on Thursday while he's having his game night, Olivia says "I don't know, it's boring sitting around by myself. I might look into joining a club or something." It's still technically a complaint but less worrisome I think. It's like my partner asking me what I plan to do while he's watching the Euros, answer "No idea, it'll be boring sitting at home, I might go out." I really don't care that he's got plans without me I'm just stating a fact that it'll be boring just hanging out at home by myself.
>Eventually Olivia finds a painting group to join on Thursdays. Jess is the organiser of this group.
Olivia didn't FIND a painting group. She was asked to join one via a Facebook invite. This would seem like a targeted invite, that just so happens to be on Thursdays, when Jim has told the ex he plays games with the OOP. That sounds more sinister.
That last point is crucial. One evening a week is barely anything at all. One evening a week you can't occupy your own time with something is really reflective of issues with co-dependence and a lack of interests/hobbies like you say.
The thing that gets me is like, logically it suggests that Jess moved to this particular city and created this entire group only to trap Olivia?
If Jess didn't know Olivia was already OOP's wife, the whole "get her in compromising photos" makes no sense.
But even if Jess was a real person, willing to go to these lengths, what are the odds Olivia finds the wine group? The only thing I can think of is that Jess created the wine group and used facebook ads, specifically targeting Olivia with the ads?
Like, I get some people are crazy about there ex's, but I just don't buy that a "party girl" would go to THESE lengths. Like she's off doing her own thing and getting drunk / drugs and probably hooking up with randos. Or, if she was willing to go to these lengths, she wouldn't have waited 7 years to do so.
It’s pretty ridiculous that this has gone so far. Olivia knows Jess was pushing her to cheat on OOP and knows about their messy year long breakup to the point of him dropping any and all contact, but turns her back on OOP when she is spun a blatantly suspicious tale with very specific timing?
And she didn’t find it suspect that her GRAPHIC DESIGNER friend provides a bunch of photos as proof? Frankly I doubt the validity of this story just by the fact OOP included that detail before any photoshopping came into play, almost like foreshadowing in a detective movie.
> I showed them to three acquaintances who told me that they can help me. None of them were able to find any inconsistences with the photos.
Well they were obviously pretty bloody useless then.
well, that sure is ONE way to get a Photoshop portfolio.
"need to divorce your spouse? but in an at-fault state? in time honored tradition*, i can doctor images to make it appear like they have been cheating on you! call now for my great rates!"
* sticking the footnote here because it really isn't relevant - at one point in British law there was no such thing as a divorce that didn't include someone at fault. infidelity was one of the surefire reasons a divorce could be granted. as this rule came forward into modernity, iirc this is about the 20s or 30s, there was an entire cottage industry for people who wanted to divorce amicably but the law needed a reason... so for a fee you could get a package where a nice person of the opposite sex would take you to dinner, then get a hotel room with you. all of which was entirely platonic and they'd just sit in the hotel room for a half hour reading the newspaper or something and then leave. and the photographer would take a picture of you two at dinner, the hotel log book would show two people going in to one room, and the court would go "well that's good enough to count as cheating, divorce granted!". once the divorce was underway things could be split however the couple pleased. so this worked great for amicable splits... and also was an exit for people who were trapped in a marriage but were ok with the world thinking they're a cheater if it means getting out. THE JOYS OF DOMESTIC HISTORY (next lecture: Las Vegas divorce summer camps)
Real talk; why would anyone be surprised that the *professional artist* knows how to use Photoshop? This story reads like it's some sort of mystery how these photos came into existence when it's obvious.
So OP's ex followed him to a new city, seduced his friend (probably started an affair with him), doctored photos, started a business and invited his wife out in the hopes of getting her drunk and cheating on him (or worse). She WAS surprised he showed up to get his wife because she hadn't planned on him ever knowing she was involved.
The friend should be an ex friend. He's likely cheating on his wife and likely an active participant in this whole thing, because theres no way he doesn't know what OP's wife is really like. That's how his ex got the dates of all of his visits. The photos of OP where he doesn't recognize the cloths just might be the friend.
OP's wife is naive and easily swayed. But more than that, why isnt she asking why the ex has so MANY photos of OP at the gym and bars?
If this is real (big if), then the wife owes him an apology, the friend needs to be cut off, they need to give the friends wife a heads up and they need to go to the police. This is murderous stalker behavior.
It seems a film plot of crazy ex. would tampered photos be enough proof for restraining order? And how does she manages such convincing photos.? Or she's right and OP and his wife are in altered dimension?
im not buying the idea that these photos are impossible to disprove. like i was fully expecting it to turn out oop had a neurological disorder or something
I'd meet Jess somewhere public with someone filming.
I'd hand her a tenner.
She'd ask "What's this?"
I'd say "Back rent for living 7 years in your head for free. I'd give you more but that's all that was worth."
Then everyone in the cafe would applaud, of course.
No, but seriously, some kind of speech or letter sent certified like "We know everything. Olivia and I don't want to see you ever again. We don't want to interact with you ever again. We don't feel safe around you and quite frankly we worry for your safety, as well. Your obsession is unhealthy and you need psychiatric help. As of now you've done nothing to warrant it, but we WILL involve the police the next time you try to interact with us, if there is s next time, which we hope there isn't. Once I/we leave here, we never want to see you again." Make it clear, make it concise, and get it on paper/video.
I agree that Plan A was to leak the photos of Olivia through Jim. But that means she photoshopped all the photos of you and her from 4 years ago pretty quickly after she had dinner with you (where she witnessed how in love you guys are). I don’t think she has a mole back in your hometown, rather she is one of the many girlies who can do FBI level investigations using social media. If you’re not familiar with this phenomenon it’ll be shocking; I’m not personally skilled like that but I’m very aware what they can find. I’m not talking about scrolling through shared Facebook friends for pics, although that’s a part of it. And her photoshop skills are clearly advanced due to her training.
To me the important thing is to inform nearly everyone important in your life about her con so that she can’t try any more photo-related cons. Like, for example showing your rich Uncle a pic of you at his bank withdrawing money after some elaborate scheme….(all beautifully proven with photos and photoshopped documents). There’s absolutely no limit how far she can reach. She’s literally fucking your best friend just to get info on you to help her ruin your life.
How did it not occur to OOP and his wife that this chick is a graphic artist? Manipulating photos should have been a piece of cake for her. She deepfaked them. That shit should be illegal.
I find it sad, though, that Olivia was taking the word of some chick she just met, who happened to have been engaged to HER husband AND DUMPED by him, rather than putting any faith in her husband’s word and character. I’m glad they’re on the same page now.
I hope the evil Machiajessi gets exposed for the absolute psycho that she is before she is able to boil anyone’s bunnies.
I need an update to this update.
I wonder if Jess is really good at photoshop or just has someone doing it for her. I always wonder what they're hoping to achieve, like obviously OOP knows that they never caught up when he was back home, so what's the goal? Just to split him and Olivia up?
My dad had an ex that kidnaped his cat and I thought it wouldn't get crazier than that.
Couldn't read that unformatted wall of text that was the original post. Came to the comments and the top two were references to Swimfan and Days of Our Lives. Figured that was more entertaining than whatever nonsense the post was actually about.
Cheers!
> 3 of my closest college friends are now scattered all across the country and we generally play a video game together on Thursday evenings since our college days. Olivia complained that she gets bored during that time.
Not finished yet but anyone bothered by this? Like, girl can't stand being away from husband one evening per week? Go read a book or watch Netflix or something.
This does not even come close to meeting the threshold for a TRO. It’s also not a situation where a gun is needed for protection. I get that he feels manipulated and they both feel creeped out by Jess inserting herself into their marriage, but the manipulation inched slowly over years (rather than suddenly becoming dramatic) and there has not been a hint of any violence. I do think Ring cameras are a good idea, I honestly think that everyone should have them.
Save the gun and TRO for situations where violence is an actual risk.
Not the main thrust of the post at all, but
1. Olivia couldn't handle one night a week of not being entertained by OOP?
2. When Jim wanted to talk privately, OOP put him on speaker with Olivia?
Just, no.
No. Just no.
I hope the OOP keeps collecting evidence, Jess will try to ruin their lives with more doctored photos to the employer or who knows who. And hopefully has the wisdom to not mention the watch on the wrong wrist to anybody, let her keep making mistakes.
I don't think either of them have connected the dots on her being a freelance graphic designer and artist - I'm betting she's the one who digitally altered the photos.
Straight up when he mentioned the photos my head was screaming that Jess is a graphic designer/artist. Shes use to spending hours upon hours on projects. She has the expertise to doctor photos. OP should get a pro to look at those photos/go to a lawyer so people around him can know that doctored photos can leak, and also put all their images on lock down, even from friends/family!
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What in the swimfan did I just read?!
Crafty woman with art major and PHOTOSHOP. They know what she majored in can't figure out how the pictures cam to be. Time to put their brains on and stop that creepy woman.
Exactly what I was thinking. Photoshop Pro can work magic, especially when manipulated by a person who uses it for a living.
Not just manipulated, but *meticulously* manipulated with clear intentions and planning from start to finish down to the details?! Like editing the photos giving him a more current physique with recent tattoos post relationship with her timestamped to match up with his visit home where he didn’t even encounter her?! You might not see Jess, but Jess sees you 👀👀
It's for damn sure she's been cyber-stalking him.
But if he's in tech, couldn't he (or someone he knows) show the meta data that the photo was edited?
The thing is that even I, with my crappy level of self-taught image editing skills, could do what Jess did, and convincingly with enough time and practice. Why did the author have to make Jess an arts major and graphic designer?
For anyone who doesn’t know Photoshop now has generative AI tools built in You can load a picture of a person, draw a crude circle around their hand, and say “a hand with a wedding ring” and it will be basically perfect
Dang, I remember when the healing brush was released and it was like *magic* compared to retouching using normal clone tools. That's wild to learn how far it has come.
They should have those pictures analyzed by an expert. If it's photoshopped there will be clear evidence of it, you just have to know exactly what to look for. I bet you could get someone to analyze just a couple of the pictures for a few hours for like $250. Would be worth it imo. Although I'd have no idea where to start to find a credible expert for something like this. May be easier said than done
You can tell ‘cause of the pixels.
I tried to find more information about this, but I'm still confused. Do you mind sharing how we can tell from the pixels?
Haha, it’s an ancient meme. People would respond this to obviously photoshopped pictures early in the internet days. In reality, it’s actually quite hard for even an expert to tell a well doctored photoshop and certainly not by just any characteristic of individual pixels. An amateur photoshop sure, but any filter over an edited image makes it really hard to notice cut and paste marks or artifacts.
Right, the entire I am reading and thinling they are idiots! Like why tell us her major and career, then not realize she is using it on you all.smh
That’s an old reference. Shook a few memories in me
All I remember from that movie is them having sex in the pool and how years later I find out fucking in water sucks
Crap I haven't thought about that in YEARS. Damn.
Fatal attraction with teens.
It really just felt like a crappy teen-drama Fatal Attraction clone.
And swimming!
What is it?
Psych thriller film from 20 years ago with a stalker chick that manipulated her target's GF and friends, framing and crimes follow.
20 years. Ow. I felt that in my lower back.
Thanks!
Swimfan is a movie from 2002 where a girl stalks a guy. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283026/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
Thanks!
And the woman I believe the movie is loosely based on became a right wing pundit. Surprise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_University_1997_harassment_controversy
Thanks for that blast from my childhood, lol
Is "Jess" a code for something? Because that name is mighty popular in these Reddit stories.
These... are the Days of our Lives...
Like sand through the hourglass
like meatloaf through a straw
Where can I get one of these meatshakes you speak of?
It is pronounced milksteak
And it’s the highest rank in the Meat League.
sounds like it would be a very popular eatery in some places
As The Stomach Churns...
So are the gastrointestinal liquids of our lives
I prefer the Old and the Listless...
Definitely.
I'm glad I'm not the only one
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At least Liz knew how to use paragraphs, this is some weak tea.
Lol i love the part when Jim calls him and tells him to be alone because he doesn't want Olivia to hear, and OOP magically knows that whatever he is going to say next will be beneficial for Olivia to listen in on. Come on.
That’s your smoking gun? I got one: How about Jess and Olivia being connected on Facebook and Olivia not seeing through the BS when Jess claims she didn’t know OOP was her husband? So Olivia, who for all intents and purposes is both active enough on FB to join/interact in a group AND in a cordial marriage, has no pictures of her husband anywhere on her profile? C’mon now lol
More like “As the Stomach Turns…”
Jim is Jess!.🤯
I can't wait for that update lol: "Jim came to my house. He then ripped off his face mask Mission Impossible style and he was Jess all along!"
"And I would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!!"
😂😂😂
So crazy girl is photoshopping OOP and his wife into compromising scenarios in the hopes of breaking up the marriage? This is some next level bullshit. I would take all the photos and take them to someone who does professional photoshop and have the pictures broken down.
Plus he recognises that it is definitely him, he was in those places at those times, just not with Jess. So surely there are original photos of him that she's put herself into? How does no one recognise them at all, and have a copy of the originals?
I think it’s likely the other way around. A real photo that Jess took, and put him in it.
How would that explain the venues though? They were all venues he remembered being at.
She found out where he went, went to those places herself, took pictures, and added him in.
If she went to this length....lord help OP
She was clearly stalking him as she knew everything about all his trips back home. This isn't that much of a reach for someone already going to these lengths. It does absolutely boggle the (relatively well-adjusted) mind! Which is what makes it terrifying; I'm glad OOP is on high alert--who knows what else she's capable of?
I mean at this point is pretty reasonable to assume she moved to the city he lived in and found a way to stay hanging out with his wife. The pictures are the tip of the iceberg
He said it’s in clothes he doesn’t own though. Evil twin, obvi
But at the end he said 'how did she know the clothes I had.'
> He said it’s in clothes he doesn’t own though. But the tatoos were accurate, just not for the time when he got them. Extra creepy factor. So like, there's a civil suit in the makings with this right?
Evil twin who secretly got all the same tattoos as OP. Diabolical!
If you are getting into the evil twin game, there’s no point half assing it
That's what we call *the prestige*.
It's probably AI, she's using real photos and just adding herself/op to said phots and just editing the fuck out of them?. Kinda glad that Oliva opened her eyes and believed OP, i had a fear they were breaking up
They're photos Jess took and cropped them into. OOPs wife mentioned that her apple watch was on the wrong hand, so I'm assuming she's photo-shopping them instead
Jess still has his cloud login and deleted all his photos from >3 years ago...
It's possible, but I'd be really surprised if OOP blocked her on everything but overlooked his Apple ID login.
Just post the pics to reddit. We shredded Kate Middleton's picture, we can do it again.
And we weren't even challenged, we just fucking did it.
Oh Reddit is absolutely challenged, just not like that.
For the love of the game.
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That's what I'm feeling too. Somehow every photo had no proof it was photoshopped? Even the one with the wife apparently looked real except for the watch. Yeah I'm not buying that.
What OP does not mention is that as a piece of fashion attire both him and his partner wear green screens on their back everywhere they go
This made me laugh hahaha thanks
I do find it hard to believe.
Why not? All images are imaginary - it's in the name. (I see myself out)
*passes you your coat*
Ha! I didn't get it at first, but when it clicked I had to double back. Bravo.
r/technicallythetruth
Why? They event left hints for the readers like 'she's a graphic designer'. I bet it was perfect in their heads, lol. Why the fuck am i wasting my life on this sub
Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous, but I think as AI gets more and more powerful this is gonna become more of a reality. Especially nudes.
Yep he said he send to friends that are "specialistss" and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Come on man tone down a bit
If it's photoshopped an expert would be able to tell. Layers and pixels not lining up and other stuff like that.
If she changed them, then did a screen cap then filtered that just a little it would be difficult to tell depending on resolution. However, all you need to do is open the metadata on the images and you will know when and where it was created. It’s possible to alter that, but it’s much easier to see it’s been altered. Some photoshop wizards do an amazing job now, and photoshop has generative AI so it’s going to be harder to tell. But data is easier to see.
Difficult for the human eye to tell Not so difficult for software designed to check for photo manipulation to tell. Just being able to say the photos are filtered would call them into question.
Yes, any generative fill or similar from photoshop will appear in the metadata, unless the creator saves it in a specific way.
Photoshop can be convincing but it's not magic. I find it really hard to believe that some random person who isn't a professional graphic designer could have faked multiple shots from multiple angles, involving multiple people, so convincingly that even their spouses couldn't tell. What source materials were they working with? Camera phone pictures? Did Olivia even remember getting her picture taken that night, along with the guys at the table? So Jess was whipping out her iphone and taking a sneaky shot here and there, and those were good enough to photoshop Olivia convincingly into poses and expressions like a "kissing on the cheek" face that didn't happen in real life? Did Jess run after that group of guys and say "hey come back here to the table, hold out your arms like you're hugging someone so I can photoshop Olivia right in there?" And she got all the photos at the same angle, the same distance, the same lighting so that she could flawlessly match them...? Anyone who thinks this is realistic should honestly try it themselves. Take as many photos as you want of two friends NOT physically interacting and try to make it look like they're hugging or kissing. Again, not just by pasting their heads on a third photo of two different people hugging, because the clothes and bodies have to match perfectly as well. See if you can make it look so convincing that it doesn't even look Photoshopped.
>I find it really hard to believe that some random person who isn't a professional graphic designer could have faked multiple shots I'm not saying I believe the story is true, but as it is told, Jess straight up is a professional graphic designer. She went to college for it and now owns her own business doing graphic design.
She is a professional graphics designer. You never know what she could have gotten her hands on, especially if she is working through his friends group for dirt.
She apparently is a professional graphic designer. Convenient lol
Yes, and also OP has a car and was able to pick up his wife at the bar. Convenient.
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Doesn't add up. She's his wife but she's married? I don't buy it.
I'm thinking deep fakes. All it takes is like what, 10 clear photos (easy to source online) and you can put someone's face/body anywhere you want. Old photo of an ex that you really like? Bam, you were chillen with the Rock instead.
But doctor, the Rock IS my ex!
Bingo! You can even use a reference photo for their poses and a different one for the background. Take a few pictures in the bar for the background, grab a stock photo of a couple off Google, combine with reference pics of who you want to be in it *ET VOILÀ* No photoshop required and the AI renders the entire image.
I would guess deepfakes instead of photoshop. Shit like the Apple Watch being on the wrong hand makes me think AI mess up rather than someone photoshopping a person in.
So ex is an artist and graphic designer and nobody pointed out she probably knows a thing or two about Photoshop?
I doubt it's real, even a professional can't cover up all evidence of photoshop. Yeah they can make it more subtle but there'll be signs.
What do you mean? I thought all graphic designers/artists are trained to perfectly match shadows, scale, lighting, and quality in pictures from events that occurred years prior? Am I living a lie???? How else am I going to destroy the life of my ex from 7 years ago????
Sounds to me like buddy got amateur friends to try to prove that it's Photoshop. All I have to do to remove "proof of Photoshop" in a way that an amateur wouldn't be able to detect is finish the photo completely, screenshot my screen, crop until it's just the image and save as a jpeg. Then load it into snapchat, put a lighting filter on it, and save it to my phone. Simple.
And the signs of photoshop aren’t going to be “shirt OOP doesn’t have” or “watch on the wrong wrist”
Ugh, that detail bothered me too.
Seems like everyone is skipping over the fact that OOP never put together that new friend Jess and ex fiancé were the same age, same name, and same birthday as ex-fiancé Jess
Right? If my husband had a friend with the name of an ex, I wouldn't think anything about it. But if that friend shared the same birthdate AND name of my ex, I would at the very least have questions. Namely "What is their last name and do you happen to know what city they're from because that sounds suspiciously like my ex." It's probably not going to be them. At least if the name is common like Jessica is. But you'd still wonder.
I mean, I had a 4 year relationship end about 13 years ago or so now and I cannot for the life of me remember my ex’s age or birthdate so it’s possible that OOP didn’t think about it like that. Especially with such a common name.
I can’t decide if this story is too preposterous to be true… or so preposterous that nobody could make it up.
I‘m going with the first option. I‘m always kind of suspicious about posts that start with a elaborate rambling on „some background“ to set the scene.
User name checks out, huh? Tbh, I’m leaning that way too
Also so convenient that the Thursday Jim finally decides to share the clubbing pictures is the exact same Thursday Olivia skips painting and wine night.
Also the, I have a gut feeling stuff from the first post always makes it seem like an update was always planned.
And the name "Jess". Reddit yarners always name their villains "Jess". And everybody has a suspiciously a detailed memory of which acquaintance was where on what day.
It was a cold night. Rain sifted down out the sky, a silvery drizzle softly blanketing me. Oh, did I mention she was a graphic designer with mad photo skillz? Yeah, totally. So yeah, my armour was soaking wet and my horse was clearly miserable.
....I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Same. This has all the potential of a suspenseful, Fatal Attraction-esque story with none of the cohesion
Did we even clear up the mystery OOP+Jess photos? In The Golden Girls, the supposed images of Blanche with Rose's husband turned out to be double exposures of a film used twice (still totally implausible, but at least they had actual camera film back then).
Deepfakes. As long as there’s a person there, AI can swap them out with someone else. Jess took those photos with someone else and ran them through a deepfake generator.
Timeline: - OOP and Jess get together in college but break up due to differences in lifestyle. - Jess harasses OOP for a year until OOP finally blocks her - OOP moves town - OOP meets, dates (2yrs), and marries (3yrs) Olivia - OOP is busy with friends on Thursday nights and Olivia complains about being bored. Eventually Olivia finds a painting group to join on Thursdays. Jess is the organiser of this group. - Jess convinces all painting group members to go clubbing and tries to initiate Olivia to cheat. However, Olivia calls OOP and he comes to bring her home. - Jess sends doctored photos to Jim of Olivia cheating, but Jim does not pass them on to OOP - Olivia hosts a painting night at OOP's apartment. Jess tells Olivia that her and OOP were still meeting up after he started dating Olivia. - Jess sends doctored photos backing up her claim and Olivia believes her - OOP can't disprove the photos despite speaking to friends and family who were with him. - Jim finally comes forward with the original doctored photos and an account of what happened. - Jess is still pushing Olivia to be friends but both now know she was trying to break them up. ... Premise is plausible. Also, IMO, complaining that you're bored because your partner plays games with their friends once a week is codependant. You should be able to survive a few hours on your own. Finding a hobby for that time is good, but it should never have been a complaint. ETA as its in a few comments below: >However, one of the sticking points we always had was my Thursday nights. 3 of my closest college friends are now scattered all across the country and we generally play a video game together on Thursday evenings since our college days. Olivia complained that she gets bored during that time Olivia initially complained to OOP
The main sticking point is that he first says that he never owned any clothes like what he’s wearing in the pics and later that she knew what he was wearing implying that the clothes in the pics were what he wore those days
I thought he was saying he never owned the clothes *when they were together*, but on re-reading, your interpretation is what's actually written... So either he mistyped and I somehow inferred correctly, or internal inconsistency!
In fairness, as a guy I have no fucking clue what's in my closet. Could be Narnia for all i know.
... Is your closet very old, free-standing, and made from apple wood?
Possibly a lion and a witch?
Yeah but it could have been more like OP asked Olivia what she's planning on doing on Thursday while he's having his game night, Olivia says "I don't know, it's boring sitting around by myself. I might look into joining a club or something." It's still technically a complaint but less worrisome I think. It's like my partner asking me what I plan to do while he's watching the Euros, answer "No idea, it'll be boring sitting at home, I might go out." I really don't care that he's got plans without me I'm just stating a fact that it'll be boring just hanging out at home by myself.
She initially complained to OOP
>Eventually Olivia finds a painting group to join on Thursdays. Jess is the organiser of this group. Olivia didn't FIND a painting group. She was asked to join one via a Facebook invite. This would seem like a targeted invite, that just so happens to be on Thursdays, when Jim has told the ex he plays games with the OOP. That sounds more sinister.
That last point is crucial. One evening a week is barely anything at all. One evening a week you can't occupy your own time with something is really reflective of issues with co-dependence and a lack of interests/hobbies like you say.
The thing that gets me is like, logically it suggests that Jess moved to this particular city and created this entire group only to trap Olivia? If Jess didn't know Olivia was already OOP's wife, the whole "get her in compromising photos" makes no sense. But even if Jess was a real person, willing to go to these lengths, what are the odds Olivia finds the wine group? The only thing I can think of is that Jess created the wine group and used facebook ads, specifically targeting Olivia with the ads? Like, I get some people are crazy about there ex's, but I just don't buy that a "party girl" would go to THESE lengths. Like she's off doing her own thing and getting drunk / drugs and probably hooking up with randos. Or, if she was willing to go to these lengths, she wouldn't have waited 7 years to do so.
I think I remember that Olivia was invited to the wine group.
> About 6 months ago, Olvia told me she got a Facebook invite for a group where they had painting and wine nights on Thursdays Indeed
Your flair sums this up pretty well.
I scrolled, kept scrolling, then realized I likely didnt care
Standard soap opera plot
Holy endless block of text.
My reaction to that first section too. Oddly there are spaces instead of paragraph breaks.
They are actual paragraphs in the original post, they got messed up in the reposting here.
Happens when you do the 4 spaces before enter on mobile. Happened to me too :D 15 years and I still don't know how to use reddit.
Holy Obsessed (2009) Batman
I didn't knew YOU season 5 has been streaming since 3 months !
Gone girl ain't got nothing on Jess. Someone get this screenplay made
This is the gritty reboot of New Girl, where Jess is a little less Kooky and lot more Fatal Attraction
PLS NOT THE GONE GIRL- 😭😭😭
Now if they posted this on nosleep I‘m pretty sure people gonna called out that Jess is a skinwalker.
Facts.
It’s pretty ridiculous that this has gone so far. Olivia knows Jess was pushing her to cheat on OOP and knows about their messy year long breakup to the point of him dropping any and all contact, but turns her back on OOP when she is spun a blatantly suspicious tale with very specific timing? And she didn’t find it suspect that her GRAPHIC DESIGNER friend provides a bunch of photos as proof? Frankly I doubt the validity of this story just by the fact OOP included that detail before any photoshopping came into play, almost like foreshadowing in a detective movie.
> I showed them to three acquaintances who told me that they can help me. None of them were able to find any inconsistences with the photos. Well they were obviously pretty bloody useless then.
Please format the first post. There are no paragraphs.
/u/Direct-Caterpillar77 Can this get an edit with some line breaks for readability? That first post is tough to read.
I know a guy who is this manipulative. He broke up a friend’s marriage. Just for the fun of it.
That's fun? Wtf! Ps. Glad you didn't call him a friend.
The crazy woman with an art degree can photoshop real good!? Who would‘ve thunk it!? /s
why is my bullshit meter blaring alarms right now after reading
Ah, the thread that is Jess' arts degree, leading to Photoshop knowledge and the creation of the risque photos. Beautifully done.
well, that sure is ONE way to get a Photoshop portfolio. "need to divorce your spouse? but in an at-fault state? in time honored tradition*, i can doctor images to make it appear like they have been cheating on you! call now for my great rates!"
* sticking the footnote here because it really isn't relevant - at one point in British law there was no such thing as a divorce that didn't include someone at fault. infidelity was one of the surefire reasons a divorce could be granted. as this rule came forward into modernity, iirc this is about the 20s or 30s, there was an entire cottage industry for people who wanted to divorce amicably but the law needed a reason... so for a fee you could get a package where a nice person of the opposite sex would take you to dinner, then get a hotel room with you. all of which was entirely platonic and they'd just sit in the hotel room for a half hour reading the newspaper or something and then leave. and the photographer would take a picture of you two at dinner, the hotel log book would show two people going in to one room, and the court would go "well that's good enough to count as cheating, divorce granted!". once the divorce was underway things could be split however the couple pleased. so this worked great for amicable splits... and also was an exit for people who were trapped in a marriage but were ok with the world thinking they're a cheater if it means getting out. THE JOYS OF DOMESTIC HISTORY (next lecture: Las Vegas divorce summer camps)
Very interesting, thanks for writing
Real talk; why would anyone be surprised that the *professional artist* knows how to use Photoshop? This story reads like it's some sort of mystery how these photos came into existence when it's obvious.
So OP's ex followed him to a new city, seduced his friend (probably started an affair with him), doctored photos, started a business and invited his wife out in the hopes of getting her drunk and cheating on him (or worse). She WAS surprised he showed up to get his wife because she hadn't planned on him ever knowing she was involved. The friend should be an ex friend. He's likely cheating on his wife and likely an active participant in this whole thing, because theres no way he doesn't know what OP's wife is really like. That's how his ex got the dates of all of his visits. The photos of OP where he doesn't recognize the cloths just might be the friend. OP's wife is naive and easily swayed. But more than that, why isnt she asking why the ex has so MANY photos of OP at the gym and bars? If this is real (big if), then the wife owes him an apology, the friend needs to be cut off, they need to give the friends wife a heads up and they need to go to the police. This is murderous stalker behavior.
I’d totally watch this movie, can’t wait for the third act. I hope nobody dies.
Somehow they need to work in twins or autism.
Twins would play well with this setup. Maybe throw in a plane crash where someone is *assumed* dead.
Did nosleep leak into here?
It seems a film plot of crazy ex. would tampered photos be enough proof for restraining order? And how does she manages such convincing photos.? Or she's right and OP and his wife are in altered dimension?
im not buying the idea that these photos are impossible to disprove. like i was fully expecting it to turn out oop had a neurological disorder or something
OOP and Olivia are too dumb for this world to let Jess into their lives in the first place.
I'd meet Jess somewhere public with someone filming. I'd hand her a tenner. She'd ask "What's this?" I'd say "Back rent for living 7 years in your head for free. I'd give you more but that's all that was worth." Then everyone in the cafe would applaud, of course. No, but seriously, some kind of speech or letter sent certified like "We know everything. Olivia and I don't want to see you ever again. We don't want to interact with you ever again. We don't feel safe around you and quite frankly we worry for your safety, as well. Your obsession is unhealthy and you need psychiatric help. As of now you've done nothing to warrant it, but we WILL involve the police the next time you try to interact with us, if there is s next time, which we hope there isn't. Once I/we leave here, we never want to see you again." Make it clear, make it concise, and get it on paper/video.
So does anyone else feel mildly scared Jess was gonna drug Olivia or am I paranoid
WTF happened to paragraphs? Remember when no one would read your post because it was a giant wall of text? Let’s bring that back.
I agree that Plan A was to leak the photos of Olivia through Jim. But that means she photoshopped all the photos of you and her from 4 years ago pretty quickly after she had dinner with you (where she witnessed how in love you guys are). I don’t think she has a mole back in your hometown, rather she is one of the many girlies who can do FBI level investigations using social media. If you’re not familiar with this phenomenon it’ll be shocking; I’m not personally skilled like that but I’m very aware what they can find. I’m not talking about scrolling through shared Facebook friends for pics, although that’s a part of it. And her photoshop skills are clearly advanced due to her training. To me the important thing is to inform nearly everyone important in your life about her con so that she can’t try any more photo-related cons. Like, for example showing your rich Uncle a pic of you at his bank withdrawing money after some elaborate scheme….(all beautifully proven with photos and photoshopped documents). There’s absolutely no limit how far she can reach. She’s literally fucking your best friend just to get info on you to help her ruin your life.
How did it not occur to OOP and his wife that this chick is a graphic artist? Manipulating photos should have been a piece of cake for her. She deepfaked them. That shit should be illegal. I find it sad, though, that Olivia was taking the word of some chick she just met, who happened to have been engaged to HER husband AND DUMPED by him, rather than putting any faith in her husband’s word and character. I’m glad they’re on the same page now. I hope the evil Machiajessi gets exposed for the absolute psycho that she is before she is able to boil anyone’s bunnies.
Liz what the actual fuck??
Totally a real story
I need an update to this update. I wonder if Jess is really good at photoshop or just has someone doing it for her. I always wonder what they're hoping to achieve, like obviously OOP knows that they never caught up when he was back home, so what's the goal? Just to split him and Olivia up? My dad had an ex that kidnaped his cat and I thought it wouldn't get crazier than that.
"She even caught me on camera" "Wasn't me"
Couldn't read that unformatted wall of text that was the original post. Came to the comments and the top two were references to Swimfan and Days of Our Lives. Figured that was more entertaining than whatever nonsense the post was actually about. Cheers!
Why can’t people figure out the images are doctored? Is this because of AI?
You mean the AI that came up with this story? Maybe.
> 3 of my closest college friends are now scattered all across the country and we generally play a video game together on Thursday evenings since our college days. Olivia complained that she gets bored during that time. Not finished yet but anyone bothered by this? Like, girl can't stand being away from husband one evening per week? Go read a book or watch Netflix or something.
lol that was my 1st thought too. Fucking... open a book or something. Watch a movie. Get over yourself.
What a BS story
Is this even real?
This does not even come close to meeting the threshold for a TRO. It’s also not a situation where a gun is needed for protection. I get that he feels manipulated and they both feel creeped out by Jess inserting herself into their marriage, but the manipulation inched slowly over years (rather than suddenly becoming dramatic) and there has not been a hint of any violence. I do think Ring cameras are a good idea, I honestly think that everyone should have them. Save the gun and TRO for situations where violence is an actual risk.
WTF
Sounds like AI not photoshop.
God the format on this post is so so bad I can't even read it
Not the main thrust of the post at all, but 1. Olivia couldn't handle one night a week of not being entertained by OOP? 2. When Jim wanted to talk privately, OOP put him on speaker with Olivia? Just, no. No. Just no.
Yeahhhh this story smells like bullshit to me
I hope the OOP keeps collecting evidence, Jess will try to ruin their lives with more doctored photos to the employer or who knows who. And hopefully has the wisdom to not mention the watch on the wrong wrist to anybody, let her keep making mistakes.
If she's a graphic designer she could easily do a deepfake and minor touchups in photoshop and pass it off.
Yeah, thank god my ex was sane. Some people are Outright Crazy.
I don't think either of them have connected the dots on her being a freelance graphic designer and artist - I'm betting she's the one who digitally altered the photos.
It’s been 7 days ! We need more !
wtf did I just read ?! Is this a plot for some thriller book????
Jess is one of the people in the world.
Straight up when he mentioned the photos my head was screaming that Jess is a graphic designer/artist. Shes use to spending hours upon hours on projects. She has the expertise to doctor photos. OP should get a pro to look at those photos/go to a lawyer so people around him can know that doctored photos can leak, and also put all their images on lock down, even from friends/family!