Baku when Bakugo and Deku finally set aside their differences and start a family together as lovers, someone somewhere is wanting that ending and I hope they aren’t disappointed when it doesn’t happen
There’s no way that’ll actually happen tho, that’s like the most broken ship of all time. Not to mention Deku has a thing for Ochako/her for him.. god MHA shippers are weird
Aren’t they.. I hope they pull a reverse naruto and nobody gets with anybody because how many people actually stay in contact with people from their first year of high schooler
quirk singularity was never a factor in the story, it was mentioned once before horikoshi used it to power up shigaraki, so i wouldn't care if it never got addressed again. i genuinely forget it's a thing until reddit brings it up.
They may be stronger, but that doesn't mean much. The only examples of quirk singularity (which is specifically when a quirk is too powerful for its host to realistically control as power outpaces control) are OFA and AFO, both of which are multi-quirk stockpiles. Even Tokoyami and Dabi's quirks aren't considered to be at singularity, and they are the closest candidates I can think of. Power is just 1 component of the theory. It's a lack of adaptation to control along with that power that characterizes singularity.
I know, but when he was young it wasn't really that easy to control.
Which is the point of the quirk singularity.
One day, a kid will be born with the ability to fire nukes from his fingers.
The quirk singularity is mostly focused around the idea of quirks becoming too powerful for humans to handle, whether that be causing ramifications on those who use them OR resulting in the quirks going wild.
Quirk Singularity examples:
* Shiggy, a child born with a strong quirk that causes a lot of destruction with no understanding of how to use it. Notably when he uses it at full power it physically damages him during the MVA arc. His body, even augmented, is unable to handle the full power of the quirks within him and begins mutating.
* Eri, a child who does not understand the overpowered quirk she has resulting in the deaths of her family.
* Dabi, a child born with a quirk which does not fit his body.
* The OFA Quirk, has reached singularity to the point where it can no longer be passed to a normal unaugmented human as it would cause them to explode
* The exploding aspect, individuals with powerful quirks simply 'pop', exploding into meaty bits as stated by All Might
* Accelerated aging, the fourth user of OFA experienced accelerated aging due to his body not being able to handle multiple quirks. His body also began to split apart.
* The motivation of Dr Ujiko is tied to the Quirk Singularity theory
* AFO also believed in the quirk singularity theory
* The students are living proof of the quirk singularity, Bakugo was praised for the strength of his quirk growing up, Shoto is a child progidy combining two opposite quirks, Iida is the fastest of his family, etc...
We also have a stated teaser of what the world would look like with quirk singularity, people would have to physically mutate like Shiggy in order to survive. It could be speculated that this is why mutants exist in MHA society.
Lack of understanding is not the same as a "biological" lack of capability to control their quirk. Shigaraki and Eri had terrible accidents as young children, but that's not because they are incapable of control. Further, a quirk having a downside that impacts its user's health with overuse does not make it at singularity. Endeavors Hellflame isn't at singularity but causes him to overheat, which when pushed far enough would kill him. More powerful quirks popping up each generation is only half of the quirk singularity theory and does not necessarily prove the theory. It's quirks outpacing the biological ability to withstand and control them that marks singularity. I concede that while not acknowledged directly in the series, Dabi could be potentially at singularity, assuming he isn't deliberately choosing to use quirk at the self roasting level. But beyond that, only OFA and AFO exceed the singularity point, and we don't have much evidence that quirks power will outpace control. New Order is the single most powerful quirk outside of OFA and AFO but is not at singularity. By all accounts, singularity appears to be more tied to having multiple quirks than a single powerful quirk.
>Dabi could be potentially at singularity, assuming he isn't deliberately choosing to use quirk at the self roasting level.
It's stated that his quirk was not only *THAT* powerful from the get go, but also *not* made for his body (his body was made for an ice quirk, like his mother's, not for his blue flames), so there's that, too.
Another part of the Quirk Singularity is how the quirks are getting not only stronger but more complex with subsequent generations, like IQ that gives intelligence, but needs tea to be consumed; or Steel, which weakens if the user doesn't have enough iron in his body.
But again, it's not the growth of power and complexity alone that define singularity it's the biological lack of control in addition to that. Dabi is the only example we have of a quirk someone was born with doing serious harm to it user without overuse. Even with that, it's a result of overtraining for years. He continued to push his fire hotter and hotter when he was at his limit until he started that forest fire. The argument that his quirk wasn't made for his body being evidence of singularity would make naval laser a singularity quirk. Dabi has control of his flames, he always has. He has just neglected to use his quirk within his limits.
>Dabi is the only example we have of a quirk someone was born with doing serious harm to it user without overuse. Even with that, it's a result of overtraining for years.
Uh... no, his fire was like that from the start. He just became more unhinged about it later on after he burned stuff including himself.
From my recollection, Endeavor spends some time training Touya before they discover the lack of high temperature tolerance. After that, Touya insists on training privately without supervision to try and prove himself to his father. That went on for over 5 years. Touya was single-minded in his determination to increase his power at the expense of his health. In fact, Dabi demonstrates excellent quirk control in being able to replicate most if not all of Endeavors supermoves and replicates Shoto's phosphor immediately after Awakening his quirk. Just because Dabi ignored his limits does not mean he can't control his quirk. Going beyond their limits could kill multiple characters such as Shoto, Endeavor, Momo, and Bakugo. Limits are limits and pushing past them is not what Quirk Singularity Theory is talking about.
Yes, but there are also people being born with the ability to pull out their eyes and inflate their heads, not to mention, All For One was one of the earliest quirk users in the series and he's this strong, Endeavor is also insanely strong, despite being gen 4(?)
AfO is a goofy kind of strong. It's a more theoretical quirk than the classic "bonk hard on head" ones, and it's entirely based on whoever he meets. It's complete shit if other quirks that are good don't come along.
Also who knows. What if in the future of the world Humans are now an multiplanetary race with the most powerful quirk users being Planetary scaling with no issue of Quirk Singularity.
They could even reach X-Men Omega status in the future terraforming planets and the power of exploding stars. Perhaps people reading or in-universe just need to change their perspectives on the world and how its developing.
Wait what? It’s not horikoshis best writing but he’s pretty consistently, and not infrequently, characterized the quirk singularity as a very real problem that’s going to rear it’s head in the future. It’s not something he’s going to ignore lol
then list me all the times singularity was mentioned. i can think of two: remedial course with the kids (something the characters never talked about again), ujiko's backstory. then when shigaraki's OP status had to be explained.
characters don't care about it, they don't think it's a concern, it's not something present in bnha's world the same way AFO's threat was, for example.
horikoshi might have characters suddenly care about something they spent the entirety of the story not even acknowledging, it won't change the fact that singularity was barely mentioned (he did that with the mutant plot).
They don’t talk about it. They show it. Literally Bakugo. His quirk is a literal combination of two quirks that make TNT. Shoto is another example. Combinations of quirks eventually get out of control. We are only seeing the tip of it.
my point is that it's not something seen as an active in-universe issue the characters are concerned with so i wouldn't care if they didn't suddenly start caring about it and if the series ended without ever mentioning something name-dropped three times.
Not true? Quirk singularity was a constant looming threat in the world building that is 100% mentioned more than once. It’s a massive part of the remedial licence exam arc.
when was it mentioned outside of remedial curse and ujiko's backstory and then used as an explanation for shigaraki becoming god-like? and it's not a looming threat if characters don't care about it.
Didn’t they also mention it when Shigaraki randomly started sprouting fingers from his body? IIRC, it was explained as “oh no guys this totally isn’t a Quirk, Shigaraki’s just so Quirk Singularity’d right now that he has superhuman tumors I guess,” which means that… yeah, superhuman society is doomed if it doesn’t address the singularity. Sadly, I don’t see that happening, though.
Yes, it was also a massive focus of the world heroes mission movie, where the opening scene shows a quirk bomb go off which essentially forcibly activated quirks and causes them to rapidly evolve and everyone’s quirks basically start going out of control and a whole city gets destroyed.
It's a little goofy to have one little footnote earlier in the story that heralds the doom of human society.
Well, a couple little footnotes, he brings it up a few times.
i only remember it brought up twice: with the kids during remedial course and when talking about ujko's past. then used as an explanation for shigaraki's mutations.
it may suddenly became something characters care about at the end but so far, no one does.
Remember that the only things we have on the singularity are some kids with strong quirks, Shigaraki mutating after being jacked full of quirks and turned into a super-nomu, and doctor warcrimes. The first is circumstantial, the second is a major outlier not applicable to wider society, and the third is very much not a reliable source.
It's very much not set ln stone that the singularity is going to happen
Doctor Warcrimes is the greatest scientist in the history of the world. He can duplicate quirks, and his biological weapons program shits on the combined military output of the rest of the free world. He is exceedingly competent, from what we've seen. Being a bastard doesn't make you wrong.
And we have the current kids that are abnormally strong, but there's also the fact that the older generations are relatively weak.
Kinda disagree with you on the fact that the newer generation is stronger. I know they did have that episode that tried to show that point, but the fact is that the newer quirks are more physical and real, compared to older quirks like AFO, OFA, New Order which are more abstract, and therefore more widely applicable and have less limits.
Not saying anything about the quirk singularity, but the newer generation isn't as strong as people build it up to be. Else AFO would be the biggest pedophile in the world.
Previous AFO holders also had abstract quirks
We also don't know who these 20 kids are from. Them being a part of the hero examination also raises questions, so their families might be powerful ex hero families, which would explain their quirk strength and familiarity
The previous OFA holders' most abstract quirk was a tin can accelerator, they weren't very good without being bassboosted by the main quirk.
And those 20 kids might be 20 promising kids, but OfA, AfO and New Order are three promising quirks over like 200 years. They are of a larger selection.
Danger sense is probably the most abstract though. It was able to detect different types of danger with and without intent(we ignore yanderes, that was weird) and could be used as a way to know if you can trust someone.
Deku wouldn't be able to fight if he wasn't able to dodge all the attacks that came his way.
Gearshift is nice in battle for its unpredictability, but not really abstract for use everywhere.
And it's not like there's a list of all the quirks that were present 100 years ago, so I can't show you that quirks were once abstract, but in the present age, in one of the top hero academies, only 3 quirks are really abstract: Sun Eater's, Creati's and Uraraka's.
Note that hero academies focus more on safety and rescue, where abstract quirks would work best, so the sheer lack of them brings some important questions
I think I would be OK with that? Not sure though because I would like to know where the characters end up tbh but that's more of my curiosity on how Horikoshi wants their future to look like
I don't care if they address it or not. They could just handwave it away and say "oh they were wrong" and I would buy it.
What they _need_ to do is address all the societal issues that caused Stain and Shiggy and the gang to become villains in the first place. If Horikoshi pulls some dumbass Harry Potter status quo epilogue it would ruin the whole series.
To be honest, after everything i have seen and how utterly dogshit Hori is at handling these issues, i wouldn't even be surprised that this would happen.
If mha ends with the heroes winning the conflict and the sun setting on the battle field it would be total dog shit swamp ass, it would suck. MHA’s ending NEEDS an epilogue, no debate there.
No, no, the Quirk Singularity will be the final villain.
It's going to be revealed that Quirks originated from a Moon Alien and the final villain is going to be Moon Alien possessing AFO and fighting both Shiggy and Deku.
I bet she's gonna use the Moon Quirk to hypnotize everyone in a dream-like reality so the anime can create some 20+ filler episodes about it.
Oh, and Bakugo dies off-panel getting sliced in half by final villain. Very sad.
Well a user of All for One could potential protect the world from quirk singularity by taking people quirks away before they destroy themselves.
There’s also Eri who can erase people’s quirks. It’s possible quirks could be iradicated.
I mean thats not really my concern although I do think its hillarious horikoshi dropped the inevitability of human race imploding due to quirks and just moved passed it without much concern.
The bigger problem to me is if its capped off with heroes beat the baddies and all is good without ever addressing the bigger social issues that lead to league becoming a thing, the very point of mva and their character. If it all just ends with empty talk no jutsu and no real attempt by the protagonists to do anything after other than just be heroes and beat bad guys I will be very annoyed.
I would have loved a corrupt world government in the last arc. Maybe it's still coming.
I would be okay with a semi-happy ending. All Might needs to die for sure.
Exactly and that is why. Because it would represent that not everything you wish for is going to happen. Deku wished to become a hero and despite all odds, it happened. But not everything in life is going according to your plan. Sometimes shit hits the fan out of nowhere and it cuts deep. And nothing would cut deeper than All Might dying, especially if it's a violent death like night eye said All Might would suffer. I know, blabla Deku can twist the fate but.. I don't like that. Also, Afo feals really umderwhelming. I don't know. The manga can state all it wants how evil and bad he is but I'm not feeling it. Btw, I think Gran Torino should have died in the war arc against Shigaraki as well. Now Deku wearing his cape has no real emotional impact, it's so wishy washy.
MHA Always teases this darker side to it but it never actually has the balls to go there and that pisses me off because it just doesn't leave any real emotional imprint for me at all. Season 2 was the last time I was emotionally invested in the characters with Iida and his brother and the whole dynamic. Season 3, when All Might lost his powers was also great.
With the setup we got, I do have high expectations for its conclusion this time actually, but I expect to be disappointed just in case lol.
The point is that quirk singularity and the way society tries to regulate quirks as is makes me think there isn't any easy answer for how society will progress in the future, and I'm hoping Horikoshi went into this plot with an answer in mind cuz I just can't think of one that works for everyone.
So an epilogue addressing how society is moving forward is what I expect at the very least, and I'm extremely interested in Horikoshi's answer to that kind of thing, but I also expect it to be underwhelming too I guess?
Heroes winning and everyone looks off into the sunset I'd think is very bad though. It'd be ignoring the story built up to it if that happened. An epilogue about the future is required at the very least imo. I'm just questioning how satisfying it'll be tbh.
I would be just fine with it because isn’t the author pretty much working himself to death almost? I’m not really keeping up with him so I might be mistaken, but that’s what I heard several times recently. So yeah I will be happy if he simply finishes it with a happy ending.
I’m still hoping for a bitter sweet ending. Deku is losing OFA to save Shigi. He started as a quirkless kid with the heart of a hero and he ends as a quirkless adult with the reputation as the greatest hero to ever live.
With regards to the singularity theory, only the bad guy really believes in it. It doesn’t impact the core of the story, aka that the current quirk system leaves so many people marginalized for their quirks. That’s what I want to see addressed, not a crack pot theory by a mad man who facilitated the worst crimes in humanity.
No there needs to be a 2. or 3. school year when Shigaraki comes back as an ally against the new final boss. That would be such an amazing and original idea.
>would you be okay with the Quirk Singularity theory just remaining entirely unaddressed?
It will get addressed eventually. Eri literally being setup to be the key to stop it because her quirk can erased quirk and there will be some medical drug using her quirk that get mass produce.
You one of those who insist shiketsu won't show up look how it turn out lol
I’m 99% sure the story will end with all quirks being destroyed/erased somehow/via those bullets worldwide because no one can guarantee a villain like AFO won’t rise again and we see Deku working at the police and other heroes at other jobs. The heroes made their superpowers a social media contest and an entire country almost destroyed itself. Quirks will naturally die out and everything will be normal, then we see a hint of OFA in Deku when he catches someone as a regular cop to tease people and credits roll.
This is my opinion as well sort of except I think deku will keep his quirks and maybe give his quirks to his friends who have lost their quirks.
A lot of deku quirks seem similar to his classmates
Float to gravity.
Black whip to tape
Smoke to explosion.
Ect ect.
I would be disappointed with that, because in the anime at least Deku is always narrating each episode saying "here is how I became the worlds greatest hero" or something similiar.
If it doesnt end with him at #1 somehow I will be disappointed.
That's the thing about those words, they are actually ambiguous enough that Deku could actually be the "greatest hero" by ending the threat of quirk singularity in erasing quirks, thus ending hero society as a whole.
Then again given that this is Horikoshi we are talking about it's gonna end with Deku just being No. 1 hero because how "exciting" would that be and society's issues either never being addressed or magically "fixed" in a contrived manner to make Deku look like he's fucking Jesus or something.
No, the fans that want a regular ending don’t really understand the story or they dont want to understand the story at all.
Quirk singularity is not a small issue, it’s a giant ass Chejov’s Gun that Horikoshi set up to go with the themes of the story.
Let say the fans get what they want. Deku kills Shigaraki, becomes the number one hero and fucks Uraraka. Yay, now we have enough material to make My Superhero Academia with Kizuku falling in love with Bakugo’s and Camie’s daughter, Kakatsuki. Everything is nice and cool except, whoopsies, we forget that hero society is rotten to the core and now we are celebrating it again. “But that is just removing accountability from the villains, wahhhh” said the result of poor public funding in schools. Sure, we killed the League, the bad guys, and everyone knows that killing is the way to solve any of live’s problems! Hero society is actually uber coolz and neoliberalism rocks! What’s wrong with measuring the value of a human being based on the circumstances of his birth?
Now lets fast forward to the first year of highschool. Bakugo’s daughter starts bullying a kid that has a toilet for a head. Because of the quirk singularity, this kid has a quirk that allows him to split atoms. One day, the bullying goes too far and….
If the series wants to end with no lose ends, quirks need to disappear or hero society has to fundamentally change. No more heroes as celebrities. No more sponsors. No more top 10 heroes that look like villains ranking. No more commodifying morality. This was the thing that created the villains in the first place. The culture that puts value on the individual based on a quirk and treats basic human decency as a job to make money. If this systems stay in place, the world is going to end in one or two generations, when super AFO is born.
The second option is Deku, or Shigaraki, eliminating every single quirk in the world to avoid the singularity all together. All for One and One for All was written by Dumas to be treated as a complete saying: the individual has to protect the collective and the collective, at the same time, has to protect the individual. Both quirks are meant to be one in the end. If you power up All for One with One for All, Deku, or Shigaraki, can absorb every single quirk in the world remotely and then die. This could be a great way for Shigaraki to get his redemption in one case or for Bakugo to be the number one hero in the other, because he is not going to surpass Deku even if he trains in the hyperbolic time chamber. I say Shigaraki would be the best option, because in that way he can die being a hero, what he was always meant to be.
There's quite a lot that I feel needs to be expanded upon before the story ends, but the two core aspects are The Origin of Quirks and The Quirk Singularity
* **The origin of quirks**. Throughout the manga different individuals have generally shared the same point of view on the origin of quirks, that being that it was a virus that originated in animals and spread to humans. People have speculated Nezu was a result of more recent experimentation after the chaos of quirks impacting humans to try and understand why this originated in animals. I feel exploring AFO's backstory, due to his long lifetime, would enable us to understand more about how quirks originated and possibly confirm that it did come from a virus that mutated.
* **The quirk singularity**. Similar to the origin of quirks, throughout the manga the Quirk Singularity has been repeatedly mentioned not only used as a motivation for characters to get augmentations such as Shiggy, but also is tied into AFO's interaction and partnership with the Doctor. The OFA quirk has reportedly reached singularity and can no longer be passed to a regular human without destroying them. Children born with quirks are surpassing their parents at an alarming rate with the intermingling of quirks creating combinations that cannot be controlled or producing quirks that run wild such as Eri's. Shiggy's origin is tied to his inability to control his quirk. Dabi's origin is tied to his body not being able to manage the quirks in his body. Shiggy's body mutating even when augmented because it can barely handle the quirks. There needs to be a solution to this presented in the story otherwise whatever ending the series has will be apocalyptic.
shippuden was nothing but a timeskip before the final stretch of the story and before the final big bad battle. in bnha it'd have been a timeskip after the 1st war and before the 2nd. so time has passed for that and there was no timeskip.
All Might dies in a epic way but will appear in OFA in Deku's head helping him fight Shiggy, Shiggy either will die after being "saved" by Deku or survive (for some bullshit reason he wont be executed) but become harmless, heroes win, Deku becomes new n.1 hero as we always been told, hero society will remain with some adjustments to prevent people becoming criminal in addition to normal criminal fighting and more population awareness. Time skip of X years where some couples are married/with children and Deku trains the new OFA holder. Quirk singularity is left aside but there will be more awareness. In a more realistic serie things would be different and Quirk singularity would be taken in account, but MHA is far too optimistic for that.
I probably would feel eh towards that. I really feel like MHA is a manga that needs an epilouge chapter showing what happens after the battle in order for its ending to feel satisfying. Now, what type of epilouge will vary amongst who you ask. Ideally, I would like to get an epilouge chapter where the characters are all grown up.
As for Quirk Singularity, it was never that big of a plot point. I would like for it to be brought up again, but I wouldn't be too bummed out if it doesn't really go anywhere. It's not something that could be fixed easily. The only thing I can think of is that hero society can work more to handle people with extremely powerful Quirks given that it's the society that everyone lives in now. It's something like how villains are a lot of times tossed to the wayside: It's something as a whole that society works to fix, and I don't expect Horikoshi to give an in-depth and expansive answer for it.
I've seen people say they believe that Quirks will all just be wiped away from humanity in the end to deal with Quirk Singularity, but I think that's an awful idea and won't happen. Not just because the way to go about it would probably be super convoluted, but also because it robs everyone (characters in-universe and readers of the manga) from seeing and enjoying fantastical world where dreams became reality.
I personally think there's a lot of margin for error in the Quirk Singularity Theory, given the inherent biases of the doctor who created it. For all we know, the singularity could itself be a result (or predicted outcome) stemming from AFO's own Quirk meddling and giving them to people whose bodies weren't made for them, thus passing that trait onto their children.
maybe quirk singularity will be Beku's problem lol.
Beku?
Deku's kid. Like Naruto and Boruto.
Lol what in the fanfiction
Baku when Bakugo and Deku finally set aside their differences and start a family together as lovers, someone somewhere is wanting that ending and I hope they aren’t disappointed when it doesn’t happen
Pregnant Deku.
I was gonna go for pregnant Bakugo but I felt gross just imagining it in any form but there you go
Nah deku would clearly be the bottom so he would be pregnant
Let’s compromise. Deku’s the bottom, *and* Bakugo gets impregnated… somehow.
Now you're thinking like a true redditor
There’s no way that’ll actually happen tho, that’s like the most broken ship of all time. Not to mention Deku has a thing for Ochako/her for him.. god MHA shippers are weird
how many times can you miss the joke?
Aren’t they.. I hope they pull a reverse naruto and nobody gets with anybody because how many people actually stay in contact with people from their first year of high schooler
its not the most broken ship. I have seen things
💀
Bizuku Midoriya, or Beku for friends.
Boruto, Beku, Beren... what's next Buffy? Bitadori?
Can't wait for bichigo
Baitama, Bobo bizzare adventure, boku
Well, there is anime call "bobobo bo bobo" (doesn't remember how many "bo" on the name) and i can confidently say that it's more bizzare than jojo
Oh yeah, super weird.
Bachi.... kagura
He’s gonna be the next Ball Bight
quirk singularity was never a factor in the story, it was mentioned once before horikoshi used it to power up shigaraki, so i wouldn't care if it never got addressed again. i genuinely forget it's a thing until reddit brings it up.
I feel that the theory is treated as something that *might* happen in a distant future, not in 20 years
We see that kids today are significantly stronger, the theory is already working.
They may be stronger, but that doesn't mean much. The only examples of quirk singularity (which is specifically when a quirk is too powerful for its host to realistically control as power outpaces control) are OFA and AFO, both of which are multi-quirk stockpiles. Even Tokoyami and Dabi's quirks aren't considered to be at singularity, and they are the closest candidates I can think of. Power is just 1 component of the theory. It's a lack of adaptation to control along with that power that characterizes singularity.
Eri?
Most likely controllable. She's young, untrained, and traumatized.
There's also Shiragaki's quirk too.
Shigiraki can turn his quirk on/off at will it has some semblance of control.
I know, but when he was young it wasn't really that easy to control. Which is the point of the quirk singularity. One day, a kid will be born with the ability to fire nukes from his fingers.
That’s just most people. When you first learn to walk, you fall and stumble. It’s the same thing for a Quirk.
Well most people don't kill their entire family when they stumble
The quirk singularity is mostly focused around the idea of quirks becoming too powerful for humans to handle, whether that be causing ramifications on those who use them OR resulting in the quirks going wild. Quirk Singularity examples: * Shiggy, a child born with a strong quirk that causes a lot of destruction with no understanding of how to use it. Notably when he uses it at full power it physically damages him during the MVA arc. His body, even augmented, is unable to handle the full power of the quirks within him and begins mutating. * Eri, a child who does not understand the overpowered quirk she has resulting in the deaths of her family. * Dabi, a child born with a quirk which does not fit his body. * The OFA Quirk, has reached singularity to the point where it can no longer be passed to a normal unaugmented human as it would cause them to explode * The exploding aspect, individuals with powerful quirks simply 'pop', exploding into meaty bits as stated by All Might * Accelerated aging, the fourth user of OFA experienced accelerated aging due to his body not being able to handle multiple quirks. His body also began to split apart. * The motivation of Dr Ujiko is tied to the Quirk Singularity theory * AFO also believed in the quirk singularity theory * The students are living proof of the quirk singularity, Bakugo was praised for the strength of his quirk growing up, Shoto is a child progidy combining two opposite quirks, Iida is the fastest of his family, etc... We also have a stated teaser of what the world would look like with quirk singularity, people would have to physically mutate like Shiggy in order to survive. It could be speculated that this is why mutants exist in MHA society.
Lack of understanding is not the same as a "biological" lack of capability to control their quirk. Shigaraki and Eri had terrible accidents as young children, but that's not because they are incapable of control. Further, a quirk having a downside that impacts its user's health with overuse does not make it at singularity. Endeavors Hellflame isn't at singularity but causes him to overheat, which when pushed far enough would kill him. More powerful quirks popping up each generation is only half of the quirk singularity theory and does not necessarily prove the theory. It's quirks outpacing the biological ability to withstand and control them that marks singularity. I concede that while not acknowledged directly in the series, Dabi could be potentially at singularity, assuming he isn't deliberately choosing to use quirk at the self roasting level. But beyond that, only OFA and AFO exceed the singularity point, and we don't have much evidence that quirks power will outpace control. New Order is the single most powerful quirk outside of OFA and AFO but is not at singularity. By all accounts, singularity appears to be more tied to having multiple quirks than a single powerful quirk.
>Dabi could be potentially at singularity, assuming he isn't deliberately choosing to use quirk at the self roasting level. It's stated that his quirk was not only *THAT* powerful from the get go, but also *not* made for his body (his body was made for an ice quirk, like his mother's, not for his blue flames), so there's that, too. Another part of the Quirk Singularity is how the quirks are getting not only stronger but more complex with subsequent generations, like IQ that gives intelligence, but needs tea to be consumed; or Steel, which weakens if the user doesn't have enough iron in his body.
But again, it's not the growth of power and complexity alone that define singularity it's the biological lack of control in addition to that. Dabi is the only example we have of a quirk someone was born with doing serious harm to it user without overuse. Even with that, it's a result of overtraining for years. He continued to push his fire hotter and hotter when he was at his limit until he started that forest fire. The argument that his quirk wasn't made for his body being evidence of singularity would make naval laser a singularity quirk. Dabi has control of his flames, he always has. He has just neglected to use his quirk within his limits.
>Dabi is the only example we have of a quirk someone was born with doing serious harm to it user without overuse. Even with that, it's a result of overtraining for years. Uh... no, his fire was like that from the start. He just became more unhinged about it later on after he burned stuff including himself.
From my recollection, Endeavor spends some time training Touya before they discover the lack of high temperature tolerance. After that, Touya insists on training privately without supervision to try and prove himself to his father. That went on for over 5 years. Touya was single-minded in his determination to increase his power at the expense of his health. In fact, Dabi demonstrates excellent quirk control in being able to replicate most if not all of Endeavors supermoves and replicates Shoto's phosphor immediately after Awakening his quirk. Just because Dabi ignored his limits does not mean he can't control his quirk. Going beyond their limits could kill multiple characters such as Shoto, Endeavor, Momo, and Bakugo. Limits are limits and pushing past them is not what Quirk Singularity Theory is talking about.
Yes, but there are also people being born with the ability to pull out their eyes and inflate their heads, not to mention, All For One was one of the earliest quirk users in the series and he's this strong, Endeavor is also insanely strong, despite being gen 4(?)
AfO is a goofy kind of strong. It's a more theoretical quirk than the classic "bonk hard on head" ones, and it's entirely based on whoever he meets. It's complete shit if other quirks that are good don't come along.
Due to the ability to combine quirks, it really doesn't matter if the quirks are individually weak.
like 200 years after quirks were first discovered, so them reaching a point where they can cause human extinction seems pretty unlikely
Also who knows. What if in the future of the world Humans are now an multiplanetary race with the most powerful quirk users being Planetary scaling with no issue of Quirk Singularity. They could even reach X-Men Omega status in the future terraforming planets and the power of exploding stars. Perhaps people reading or in-universe just need to change their perspectives on the world and how its developing.
Wait what? It’s not horikoshis best writing but he’s pretty consistently, and not infrequently, characterized the quirk singularity as a very real problem that’s going to rear it’s head in the future. It’s not something he’s going to ignore lol
then list me all the times singularity was mentioned. i can think of two: remedial course with the kids (something the characters never talked about again), ujiko's backstory. then when shigaraki's OP status had to be explained. characters don't care about it, they don't think it's a concern, it's not something present in bnha's world the same way AFO's threat was, for example. horikoshi might have characters suddenly care about something they spent the entirety of the story not even acknowledging, it won't change the fact that singularity was barely mentioned (he did that with the mutant plot).
They don’t talk about it. They show it. Literally Bakugo. His quirk is a literal combination of two quirks that make TNT. Shoto is another example. Combinations of quirks eventually get out of control. We are only seeing the tip of it.
my point is that it's not something seen as an active in-universe issue the characters are concerned with so i wouldn't care if they didn't suddenly start caring about it and if the series ended without ever mentioning something name-dropped three times.
Not true? Quirk singularity was a constant looming threat in the world building that is 100% mentioned more than once. It’s a massive part of the remedial licence exam arc.
when was it mentioned outside of remedial curse and ujiko's backstory and then used as an explanation for shigaraki becoming god-like? and it's not a looming threat if characters don't care about it.
Didn’t they also mention it when Shigaraki randomly started sprouting fingers from his body? IIRC, it was explained as “oh no guys this totally isn’t a Quirk, Shigaraki’s just so Quirk Singularity’d right now that he has superhuman tumors I guess,” which means that… yeah, superhuman society is doomed if it doesn’t address the singularity. Sadly, I don’t see that happening, though.
Yes, it was also a massive focus of the world heroes mission movie, where the opening scene shows a quirk bomb go off which essentially forcibly activated quirks and causes them to rapidly evolve and everyone’s quirks basically start going out of control and a whole city gets destroyed.
It's a little goofy to have one little footnote earlier in the story that heralds the doom of human society. Well, a couple little footnotes, he brings it up a few times.
i only remember it being brought up during remedial curse and being irrelevant until the plot needed it for shigaraki's upgrades.
It's the backstory to Garaki, who is one of the most important characters in the series (by a technicality)
yeah, that he came up with it. but it doesn't play any role/has any story relevance until it's used to power up shigaraki.
Yeah, it's not mechanically very relevant in the story, but it is brought up on quite a few occasions.
i only remember it brought up twice: with the kids during remedial course and when talking about ujko's past. then used as an explanation for shigaraki's mutations. it may suddenly became something characters care about at the end but so far, no one does.
The ending is in the first episode chapter.
Remember that the only things we have on the singularity are some kids with strong quirks, Shigaraki mutating after being jacked full of quirks and turned into a super-nomu, and doctor warcrimes. The first is circumstantial, the second is a major outlier not applicable to wider society, and the third is very much not a reliable source. It's very much not set ln stone that the singularity is going to happen
Doctor Warcrimes is the greatest scientist in the history of the world. He can duplicate quirks, and his biological weapons program shits on the combined military output of the rest of the free world. He is exceedingly competent, from what we've seen. Being a bastard doesn't make you wrong. And we have the current kids that are abnormally strong, but there's also the fact that the older generations are relatively weak.
Kinda disagree with you on the fact that the newer generation is stronger. I know they did have that episode that tried to show that point, but the fact is that the newer quirks are more physical and real, compared to older quirks like AFO, OFA, New Order which are more abstract, and therefore more widely applicable and have less limits. Not saying anything about the quirk singularity, but the newer generation isn't as strong as people build it up to be. Else AFO would be the biggest pedophile in the world.
OfA, AfO and New Order are taken from a selection of the entire world. The other quirks were taken from a selection of like 20 kids.
Previous AFO holders also had abstract quirks We also don't know who these 20 kids are from. Them being a part of the hero examination also raises questions, so their families might be powerful ex hero families, which would explain their quirk strength and familiarity
The previous OFA holders' most abstract quirk was a tin can accelerator, they weren't very good without being bassboosted by the main quirk. And those 20 kids might be 20 promising kids, but OfA, AfO and New Order are three promising quirks over like 200 years. They are of a larger selection.
Danger sense is probably the most abstract though. It was able to detect different types of danger with and without intent(we ignore yanderes, that was weird) and could be used as a way to know if you can trust someone. Deku wouldn't be able to fight if he wasn't able to dodge all the attacks that came his way. Gearshift is nice in battle for its unpredictability, but not really abstract for use everywhere. And it's not like there's a list of all the quirks that were present 100 years ago, so I can't show you that quirks were once abstract, but in the present age, in one of the top hero academies, only 3 quirks are really abstract: Sun Eater's, Creati's and Uraraka's. Note that hero academies focus more on safety and rescue, where abstract quirks would work best, so the sheer lack of them brings some important questions
I think I would be OK with that? Not sure though because I would like to know where the characters end up tbh but that's more of my curiosity on how Horikoshi wants their future to look like
I don't care if they address it or not. They could just handwave it away and say "oh they were wrong" and I would buy it. What they _need_ to do is address all the societal issues that caused Stain and Shiggy and the gang to become villains in the first place. If Horikoshi pulls some dumbass Harry Potter status quo epilogue it would ruin the whole series.
To be honest, after everything i have seen and how utterly dogshit Hori is at handling these issues, i wouldn't even be surprised that this would happen.
If mha ends with the heroes winning the conflict and the sun setting on the battle field it would be total dog shit swamp ass, it would suck. MHA’s ending NEEDS an epilogue, no debate there.
I was honestly hoping we’d see pro hero deku during the hero ceremony in which he becomes the #1 hero. It’s cheesy but idgaf
No, no, the Quirk Singularity will be the final villain. It's going to be revealed that Quirks originated from a Moon Alien and the final villain is going to be Moon Alien possessing AFO and fighting both Shiggy and Deku. I bet she's gonna use the Moon Quirk to hypnotize everyone in a dream-like reality so the anime can create some 20+ filler episodes about it. Oh, and Bakugo dies off-panel getting sliced in half by final villain. Very sad.
So basically you are saying studio Trigger gives a hand with the production
Lol fucking naruto and jjk
At this point....I probably would be ok with it, I fear this manga will end up worse than that
Tf do you expect Deku to do about the Quirk Singularity? Punch it??
Well a user of All for One could potential protect the world from quirk singularity by taking people quirks away before they destroy themselves. There’s also Eri who can erase people’s quirks. It’s possible quirks could be iradicated.
I mean thats not really my concern although I do think its hillarious horikoshi dropped the inevitability of human race imploding due to quirks and just moved passed it without much concern. The bigger problem to me is if its capped off with heroes beat the baddies and all is good without ever addressing the bigger social issues that lead to league becoming a thing, the very point of mva and their character. If it all just ends with empty talk no jutsu and no real attempt by the protagonists to do anything after other than just be heroes and beat bad guys I will be very annoyed.
I don't see why not. Everyone tries too hard to hit the landing and ends up fucking up what they've built.
Generic shonen has a generic shonen ending /Shockedpickahuface
The only right answer
I would have loved a corrupt world government in the last arc. Maybe it's still coming. I would be okay with a semi-happy ending. All Might needs to die for sure.
Why do you want All Might to die? he has to see Izuku graduate :(
Exactly and that is why. Because it would represent that not everything you wish for is going to happen. Deku wished to become a hero and despite all odds, it happened. But not everything in life is going according to your plan. Sometimes shit hits the fan out of nowhere and it cuts deep. And nothing would cut deeper than All Might dying, especially if it's a violent death like night eye said All Might would suffer. I know, blabla Deku can twist the fate but.. I don't like that. Also, Afo feals really umderwhelming. I don't know. The manga can state all it wants how evil and bad he is but I'm not feeling it. Btw, I think Gran Torino should have died in the war arc against Shigaraki as well. Now Deku wearing his cape has no real emotional impact, it's so wishy washy. MHA Always teases this darker side to it but it never actually has the balls to go there and that pisses me off because it just doesn't leave any real emotional imprint for me at all. Season 2 was the last time I was emotionally invested in the characters with Iida and his brother and the whole dynamic. Season 3, when All Might lost his powers was also great.
I think I would like that ending
With the setup we got, I do have high expectations for its conclusion this time actually, but I expect to be disappointed just in case lol. The point is that quirk singularity and the way society tries to regulate quirks as is makes me think there isn't any easy answer for how society will progress in the future, and I'm hoping Horikoshi went into this plot with an answer in mind cuz I just can't think of one that works for everyone. So an epilogue addressing how society is moving forward is what I expect at the very least, and I'm extremely interested in Horikoshi's answer to that kind of thing, but I also expect it to be underwhelming too I guess? Heroes winning and everyone looks off into the sunset I'd think is very bad though. It'd be ignoring the story built up to it if that happened. An epilogue about the future is required at the very least imo. I'm just questioning how satisfying it'll be tbh.
Yes, I would prefer a somewhat uplifting meh ending over an ending that tries too hard and fails.
I've suspected that singularity gets handwaved away for years tbh. Not unmentioned, just a very convenient solution.
If anything, the ending should bring societal change, not some fight against quirk singularity.
I would be just fine with it because isn’t the author pretty much working himself to death almost? I’m not really keeping up with him so I might be mistaken, but that’s what I heard several times recently. So yeah I will be happy if he simply finishes it with a happy ending.
I’m still hoping for a bitter sweet ending. Deku is losing OFA to save Shigi. He started as a quirkless kid with the heart of a hero and he ends as a quirkless adult with the reputation as the greatest hero to ever live. With regards to the singularity theory, only the bad guy really believes in it. It doesn’t impact the core of the story, aka that the current quirk system leaves so many people marginalized for their quirks. That’s what I want to see addressed, not a crack pot theory by a mad man who facilitated the worst crimes in humanity.
Yeah I would actually cos thats how shounen manga should end. Theyre not gonna let it end any other way.
No there needs to be a 2. or 3. school year when Shigaraki comes back as an ally against the new final boss. That would be such an amazing and original idea.
If the ending doesn’t include Ojiro becoming the number 1 hero we don’t want it
Best to keep everything simple.
>would you be okay with the Quirk Singularity theory just remaining entirely unaddressed? It will get addressed eventually. Eri literally being setup to be the key to stop it because her quirk can erased quirk and there will be some medical drug using her quirk that get mass produce. You one of those who insist shiketsu won't show up look how it turn out lol
I’m 99% sure the story will end with all quirks being destroyed/erased somehow/via those bullets worldwide because no one can guarantee a villain like AFO won’t rise again and we see Deku working at the police and other heroes at other jobs. The heroes made their superpowers a social media contest and an entire country almost destroyed itself. Quirks will naturally die out and everything will be normal, then we see a hint of OFA in Deku when he catches someone as a regular cop to tease people and credits roll.
This is my opinion as well sort of except I think deku will keep his quirks and maybe give his quirks to his friends who have lost their quirks. A lot of deku quirks seem similar to his classmates Float to gravity. Black whip to tape Smoke to explosion. Ect ect.
I would be disappointed with that, because in the anime at least Deku is always narrating each episode saying "here is how I became the worlds greatest hero" or something similiar. If it doesnt end with him at #1 somehow I will be disappointed.
That's the thing about those words, they are actually ambiguous enough that Deku could actually be the "greatest hero" by ending the threat of quirk singularity in erasing quirks, thus ending hero society as a whole. Then again given that this is Horikoshi we are talking about it's gonna end with Deku just being No. 1 hero because how "exciting" would that be and society's issues either never being addressed or magically "fixed" in a contrived manner to make Deku look like he's fucking Jesus or something.
No, the fans that want a regular ending don’t really understand the story or they dont want to understand the story at all. Quirk singularity is not a small issue, it’s a giant ass Chejov’s Gun that Horikoshi set up to go with the themes of the story. Let say the fans get what they want. Deku kills Shigaraki, becomes the number one hero and fucks Uraraka. Yay, now we have enough material to make My Superhero Academia with Kizuku falling in love with Bakugo’s and Camie’s daughter, Kakatsuki. Everything is nice and cool except, whoopsies, we forget that hero society is rotten to the core and now we are celebrating it again. “But that is just removing accountability from the villains, wahhhh” said the result of poor public funding in schools. Sure, we killed the League, the bad guys, and everyone knows that killing is the way to solve any of live’s problems! Hero society is actually uber coolz and neoliberalism rocks! What’s wrong with measuring the value of a human being based on the circumstances of his birth? Now lets fast forward to the first year of highschool. Bakugo’s daughter starts bullying a kid that has a toilet for a head. Because of the quirk singularity, this kid has a quirk that allows him to split atoms. One day, the bullying goes too far and…. If the series wants to end with no lose ends, quirks need to disappear or hero society has to fundamentally change. No more heroes as celebrities. No more sponsors. No more top 10 heroes that look like villains ranking. No more commodifying morality. This was the thing that created the villains in the first place. The culture that puts value on the individual based on a quirk and treats basic human decency as a job to make money. If this systems stay in place, the world is going to end in one or two generations, when super AFO is born. The second option is Deku, or Shigaraki, eliminating every single quirk in the world to avoid the singularity all together. All for One and One for All was written by Dumas to be treated as a complete saying: the individual has to protect the collective and the collective, at the same time, has to protect the individual. Both quirks are meant to be one in the end. If you power up All for One with One for All, Deku, or Shigaraki, can absorb every single quirk in the world remotely and then die. This could be a great way for Shigaraki to get his redemption in one case or for Bakugo to be the number one hero in the other, because he is not going to surpass Deku even if he trains in the hyperbolic time chamber. I say Shigaraki would be the best option, because in that way he can die being a hero, what he was always meant to be.
There's quite a lot that I feel needs to be expanded upon before the story ends, but the two core aspects are The Origin of Quirks and The Quirk Singularity * **The origin of quirks**. Throughout the manga different individuals have generally shared the same point of view on the origin of quirks, that being that it was a virus that originated in animals and spread to humans. People have speculated Nezu was a result of more recent experimentation after the chaos of quirks impacting humans to try and understand why this originated in animals. I feel exploring AFO's backstory, due to his long lifetime, would enable us to understand more about how quirks originated and possibly confirm that it did come from a virus that mutated. * **The quirk singularity**. Similar to the origin of quirks, throughout the manga the Quirk Singularity has been repeatedly mentioned not only used as a motivation for characters to get augmentations such as Shiggy, but also is tied into AFO's interaction and partnership with the Doctor. The OFA quirk has reportedly reached singularity and can no longer be passed to a regular human without destroying them. Children born with quirks are surpassing their parents at an alarming rate with the intermingling of quirks creating combinations that cannot be controlled or producing quirks that run wild such as Eri's. Shiggy's origin is tied to his inability to control his quirk. Dabi's origin is tied to his body not being able to manage the quirks in his body. Shiggy's body mutating even when augmented because it can barely handle the quirks. There needs to be a solution to this presented in the story otherwise whatever ending the series has will be apocalyptic.
I'm actually hoping for a Shippuden treatment for BNHA
shippuden was nothing but a timeskip before the final stretch of the story and before the final big bad battle. in bnha it'd have been a timeskip after the 1st war and before the 2nd. so time has passed for that and there was no timeskip.
All Might dies in a epic way but will appear in OFA in Deku's head helping him fight Shiggy, Shiggy either will die after being "saved" by Deku or survive (for some bullshit reason he wont be executed) but become harmless, heroes win, Deku becomes new n.1 hero as we always been told, hero society will remain with some adjustments to prevent people becoming criminal in addition to normal criminal fighting and more population awareness. Time skip of X years where some couples are married/with children and Deku trains the new OFA holder. Quirk singularity is left aside but there will be more awareness. In a more realistic serie things would be different and Quirk singularity would be taken in account, but MHA is far too optimistic for that.
Fuck it, just end it. I have no faith on having closure to the world building, tbh
It's the perfect fit for My hero academia
I probably would feel eh towards that. I really feel like MHA is a manga that needs an epilouge chapter showing what happens after the battle in order for its ending to feel satisfying. Now, what type of epilouge will vary amongst who you ask. Ideally, I would like to get an epilouge chapter where the characters are all grown up. As for Quirk Singularity, it was never that big of a plot point. I would like for it to be brought up again, but I wouldn't be too bummed out if it doesn't really go anywhere. It's not something that could be fixed easily. The only thing I can think of is that hero society can work more to handle people with extremely powerful Quirks given that it's the society that everyone lives in now. It's something like how villains are a lot of times tossed to the wayside: It's something as a whole that society works to fix, and I don't expect Horikoshi to give an in-depth and expansive answer for it. I've seen people say they believe that Quirks will all just be wiped away from humanity in the end to deal with Quirk Singularity, but I think that's an awful idea and won't happen. Not just because the way to go about it would probably be super convoluted, but also because it robs everyone (characters in-universe and readers of the manga) from seeing and enjoying fantastical world where dreams became reality.
I personally think there's a lot of margin for error in the Quirk Singularity Theory, given the inherent biases of the doctor who created it. For all we know, the singularity could itself be a result (or predicted outcome) stemming from AFO's own Quirk meddling and giving them to people whose bodies weren't made for them, thus passing that trait onto their children.