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ClearHeart_FullLiver

Can't tell if Canelo is more hittable now or laying traps...


IswearImnotapossum

Its both tbh. He has always been hittable at MW but part of it is a result of him trying to set more traps 


zaviex

Yeah he absorbs more than he used to. You can see when Munguia landed what appeared to be a big shot, Canelo actually just rolled that entirely. It barely landed just looks big because of the head turn. People kind of count those the same as actually taking a big shot but they are just set ups


Drewsef916

Not just people.. more importantly the judges count those. They dont have instant replay. Aggression gets you points unless it's beyond clear and obvious none of the blow are landing due to just being that superior w ring generalship and defense. But most of the time evading / blocking punches closely.. while good physically still can often count against you scoring wise


doktormacak1

You really think judges count that, we are talking about Canelo my dude😂


winterstorm3x

It counts as a blocked with his face punch to the judges.


ElChacalFL

Called rubbernecking in most boxing gyms. Rolling with a punch. Canelo is very good at it. There's a ton of drills and exercises u can do to get better at it but really have to have good reflexes. Takes a lot of steam off punch but doesn't really set anything up. Can also be dangerous taking ur eyes off ur opponent like that. Opponent can feint the cross and hit the body, and then ur in trouble. Mungia kept putting his head right in front of Canelos chest instead of moving his head side to side and up and down and got caught.


LewixAri

I think because he focuses on increasing output or setting up opportunities to increase output. The big criticism of his bivol performance is he wasn't throwing enough and just relied on power vs bigger guy who can handle it


Brief_Scale496

As already mentioned, both… But I wanna add, that that’s what was so interesting to watch with Bivol. Canelo would eat a few shots to try and set up something, but Bivol would pull back and close that window just as it was opening - 2 masters at what they do, only Bivol’s disciplined style is a nightmare for Canelo’s trap setting and counter punching The frustration was real.


TheBlack_Swordsman

Bivol would 1-2, then dodge Canelo's counter and quickly come in and throw another 1-2. That had to be a very frustrating style for Canelo to come up against.


Brief_Scale496

Yeah it was, frustrating to watch somebody of such skill have zero answer 1 and 1-2’s with faints and a rare flurry It really was a real treat to see something so simple be executed so well that it was complex


ClearHeart_FullLiver

True I would have loved to see a fight between the 2 if they were closer in natural size


FunctionRemote5208

Imho canelo all day if there wasn’t such a size disparity.


schebobo180

I think a big part of it was also Bivol’s timing and footwork. Bivol occasionally threw 5-6 shots that went unanswered or that Canelo tried to roll instead of absorb. Aside from the backwards steps it was also down to Bivol usually starting his attacks in between or right after Canelo started his, making him a bit too tired to quickly respond. So his footwork helped him move out of danger at times, and then his timing also made it difficult for Canelo to fire back at other times. Masterful work really.


Brief_Scale496

He also was very good with his shell defense on the ropes. Was able to shell and then pop out for a jab or straight before he bounced out or shelled back up


MatttheJ

As someone else said, it's a bit of both. He's getting older and his reflexes are slowing down just a little bit. But rather than still trying to perform with his younger tactics in an older body, he's adapting his tactics so that the ageing matters less. That's why here, rather than trying to be slick and box from the mid range and rely on his timing to catch Mungia, he's luring Mungia into coming to him and baiting Mungia into ducking his head which boxers do when they're entering into an up close exchange so they can try to plant their head on the opponents chest. Canelo is back up, leaving back into the ropes, then ducking in himself to encourage Mungia to copy him. Then when Mungia starts ducking in and standing still ready to accept Canelo's invite to brawl, Canelo starts blasting uppercuts.


lord-of-war-1

What do you mean more hittable. He is a front foot counter puncher. Part of the job there is to get in punching range to bait attack and counter quick. Those guys always get hit more. Guys like Crawford and Tank are the same. Haney, Shakur and Lara are backfoot counter punchers. They eat less punches.


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lord-of-war-1

That highlight reel is greatly exagerated. Jacobs landed plenty. Thats why he won 4 rounds, same as Munguia. His head movement was sharper then but now he stays ahead of it a little more with range control and a high guard that catches most punches. 


quasimuller

Do you think it’s more accurate to say of Tank that he is a backfoot counter puncher until he gets reads, and THEN he switches to front foot counterpuncher?


lord-of-war-1

Not really. Tank stays in range quite a bit. He needs to with his small frame. He doesnt have the reach to win rounds consistently from long range like backfoot counterpunchers do. Thats why guys like Barrios were able to be competitve and win rounds from him. 


Wirococha420

I honestly believe he was letting Mungia work for his people. In a couple of this exchanges Canelo could've counter hard, but I feel he didn't out of respect for the crowd loving his fighter.


Shonuff_shogun

Maybe that’s why he doesn’t like fighting Mexicano fighters? Definitely felt he carried him a little in this fight. Not in a disrespectful way, but in a “show me what you’ve learned” kind of way


ClearHeart_FullLiver

Looked like he threw a very lazy right hand there to draw him in


Millionaire007

Always been hittable but the mfers head is made of something else


ClearHeart_FullLiver

His chin is phenomenal and that combined with great defense makes him one of the most difficult fighters ever to ko


SSJ5Autism

People saying Canelo’s defense is getting worse DKSAB. He can’t slip punches and maintain distance against guys with complete size advantages, he needs to block and parry to maintain a close distance and counter. Crazy people think he’s some Rocky-esque eater of right hands.


lord-of-war-1

This is the correct answer. 


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SSJ5Autism

But he couldn’t counter. There’s little point in sequences like that if you don’t consistently punish the attacker


EnglishButFrench

Thank you. The lack of actual boxing knowledge some people have here is so frustrating.


Alternative-Ant6815

I’ll go a different direction and say he could win all of these fights easier and quicker if he chose, with the exception of Bivol. He’s not looking to get people out of there as quickly as possible. He literally holds Mungia up later on. Maybe that’s him thinking of his fight with Floyd and not beating to bad on up and coming guys. He’s not going to let the guy win - he’s giving to give him a lesson and he’s going to deliver great fights to watch. And really if you think about it he’s propping up this section of the boxing world single handedly. It sounds so obvious to say he’ll go down as an all time great but I think in years to come we’ll see his legacy grow in terms of what he has done for boxing and I think he has that over Mayweather.


bigfatpup

His damn head is so big you’ll touch it, but he rolls with them so well, and you don’t catch him with shots he doesn’t see. Plus the traps


preptimebatman

Like others are saying, I think it’s both. I think he’s gotta be a little more selective with his shots movement now that he’s not as athletic as before. I want that David fight so bad. The longer the wait, the harder for our boy Canelo.


ElChacalFL

It's that catch and shoot style that Reynoso teaches. He gets hit but as soon as he catches a certain punch he knows the counter to it and is very explosive with it. Hits with bad intentions and doesn't just throw punches that aren't gonna hurt his opponent.


cmd242

You can tell Canelo was leading with the uppercut and mungiua was noticing it so Canelo threw the left hook first this time.


Js_On_My_Yeet

No lie, I thought Munguia put up a solid fight. Obviously Canelo is more experienced, but Munguia being trained under Roach is kind of nuts.


fatch0deBoi34

I think Roach has made MASSIVE improvements given the amount of time they’ve had together. Watching Munguia’s discipline in the past two fights, compared to all of them before is a huge difference. Roach has him actually boxing at times as opposed to only fighting


donuts0611

He looked really good against Ryder, feel like Canelo carried him a bit but still gave a good account of himself.


Abe2sapien

Munguia gave it his all and I commend him. Towards the end it looked like he was mentally drained and his legs seemed ready to go, but he kept on trying at least.


RockyCreamNHotSauce

Munguia did ok. What was up with the style though? He hunched down to Canelo’s level. Took away his own size advantage. Took zero advantage of his reach. Not sure if he can beat Plant. Definitely would get embarrassed by Benavidez, Bivol, or Beterbiev. Filler level vs those guys.


FTFOatl

Hunch over to brawl with Canelo- Mexican style. On pure boxing, Munguia is severely outclassed.


RockyCreamNHotSauce

Mexican school can use more diverse style training. Canelo and Benavidez both brawl a bit too much too. Against Bivol and Beterbiev, they need to add something else to the arsenal to win like angle work.


lord-of-war-1

You guys should check out the side view of the KD where it shows it wasnt actually a left hook Canelo threw. He disguised it as a left hook but he actually pulls it back and uses it to manipulate Munguia's right hand. He pries at it so Munguia overcorrects the guard creating the opening for the uppercut.  It blew my mind since it looks like a flat out left hook first but it's not. This is that p4p level shit you only see from the very elite. 


CappyUncaged

slow down lol people do that in amateurs, pulling down the guard is considered a show boating tactic when you know your opponent is just shelling up trying not to die. Canelo does it super well but its something everyone learns in the gym, very basic stuff


brazilianfreak

Throwing a jab is also basic stuff and yet elite boxers struggle to do it all the time, just look at Devin throwing a bad mid range jab and eating a left hook from Ryan. Basic stuff applied at the highest level agaisnt elite opposition in the heat of battle is always impressive.


CappyUncaged

you know what you're right, thats all extremely true


lord-of-war-1

I box amateur. You think I dont know that? Go on and tell me all the top fighters that can do this to another top boxer and get a clean KD like that.  Go on, I'll wait. 


CappyUncaged

inoue, crawford, teofimo, beterbiev, tank, david beavidez, mell charlo, matias, boots, zepeda lol


lord-of-war-1

Anyone can say names. Tell me which fights and which KDs. And since we are giggly here's my lol


CappyUncaged

you said can not did, lol


lord-of-war-1

So you cant give me any examples?  I said I'd wait...  Almost like it is as rare as I said it was at this level. LOL


Inevitable-Bottle692

Damn..and the first shot he ate before the uppercut..thats a wrap for most opponents


dirtrow

He rolled with the punch. He tends to do that a lot. He did it with triple G’s big shot too. It takes off some steam from the punch. I think typically you’re torso is supposed to follow too so you can counter with a shot of your own if needed but Canelo just uses his head for a quicker defensive move Edit: oh wait, you’re talking about Munguia eating a punch? I saw both of them roll with a right hand


theoptimusdime

Head turned 180 lol


Fromage_debite

He turned around quick like if his mom yelled for him.


HarryManilow

ya i said before the fight that Jaime is better than people give credit for. his punch output was impressive to the end and definitely was at least enough to keep Canelo honest. also he took a punch. maybe he "rolled" with it but that's because his head had nowhere else to go


wanderer_himura

Canelo would do the same thing to Benavidez and so much worse.


sebenza-mercator

canelo def took it easy on Jamie after he knew it was a win. I bet he has a soft spot for Jamie. He’s a good kid with strong work ethic. But who knows


fjtoz

Nah Ryan Garcia would knock Jamie's ass out


sebenza-mercator

Idk what you’re getting at but ok haha


fjtoz

I was joking lol


sebenza-mercator

Ah you forgot the /s lol… there’s trolls out here and they come out meat riding


ghdtyjksbjt

Respect to Jaime, he battled hard


headshotdoublekill

Beautiful. This might be unpopular, but I felt like Canelo carried Munguia after this. 


eugenejfish

That shouldn't be unpopular. I usually don't believe in "carrying" at all, and I think it's extremely rare but it definitely happened here. Canelo would usually stalk and hunt a finish here and in the subsequent rounds but he didn't. It even seemed at times Canelo would set a trap, Jaime would fall for it, and Canelo wouldn't take advantage but would give Jaime a look like "I coulda rocked your shit there".


MarcusAurelius180AD

I think he wanted to show Jaime that he was in control of the entire fight and that he had many chances to end the night early.


ty4scam

Canelo knocked Mungia out on his feet, held him up, then hugged him to give him a chance to recover. I was invested in the fight up to that point, after that I wasn't sure if I'd been watching WWE all along.


WinglessRat

It's the first time I believed Canelo when he said he didn't want to fight Mexicans.


mariotx10

Canelo could’ve put him to sleep with the same uppercut at the end of this round, Canelo pulled it back at the last second.


cavestoryguy

He had the chance to end it in the 12th but let him off. It definitely looked like he wasn't going for the knockout at least in the 12th.


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Even in this clip after the knockdown Canelo wasn’t even throwing hard at all


RRR04_

Canelo toyed with this guy


mclovin1696

Nah, he was in a tough fight .


RRR04_

😂😂😂


drtmth

Canelo is pretty decent at boxing.


TequieroVerde

Lol.


fatch0deBoi34

Massive canelo fan here, just to say off the bat, not trying to hate. He looked great in this fight and the more I watch it, it does seem like he carried Muguia through it at times. However, this is the first time I’ve thought to myself “He lost speed”. He still has decent speed and enough to rip combos/counters, but I think age finally caught up to him in that aspect. I think it’s either time to fight David, or as a fan of canelo hope it never happens. I think he can probably get away with it, with this speed. He loses more, he’s probably fucked in that fight given that he’s never had all-time speed to begin with. He’s quick and has all-time reaction speed, but the hands are a different thing.. Just my opinion though


CappyUncaged

feet too, for a guy who's never had fast feet, they are getting noticeably slower but he's never actually seen him need to use it to get away lol but he does struggle to cut off the ring like he used to


dmckidd

Nelo was holding back. A lot of his shots were slow or with less power behind it. I don’t think even think he meant to drop Jaime.


JGS747-

Canelo admitted (in a polite and indirect way) that he purposely didn’t want to finish munguia when could’ve Part of me wishes he did finish him


Mi-Lady_Mi-Tuna

This whole fight felt like a Lion playing with his food...


gojira5

Everyone has a face until they get punched in the plan.


CappyUncaged

Canelo punching once at time for several rounds will hurt him vs crawford if he can't finish him, crawford is not the most active guy in the world but he takes everything you give him. Seems like lately canelo is so happy to just take one big shot at a time, which works against someone willing to go toe to toe with you. But I don't think crawford will do that, I think he's going to do his best mayweather impression run circles around canelo's bad footwork and tag him with light non-committal punches like loma does. You see this sometimes out of crawford when he's "taking rounds off" or trying to recover from damage. He has the ability to switch stances while taking angles, which is a pretty unique thing that I have never seen any crawford opponent deal with well besides maybe gamboa ironically lol


molly_sour

that's the smarts right there, from the 1st uppercut in the sequence Canelo saw that he could land it, then he went away from it and secured it by throwing a left hook first


manyhippofarts

I'm still like "holy shit what a shot"


pineapplepizza00

Canelo didn't want to knock him out 💯


macgirthy

I want to see Mungia vs Triple G now. Maybe give GGG a tune up fight like in the next two months and then mungia meets GGG for christmas or holiday season


Godmode365

Nah GGG needs to stay his ass out of the ring and enjoy the rest of his life as a living legend.


Double-Culture-2575

Look like he’s beating up his 12 year old nephew


properc

Canelo looks like he was sparring with him in there lol. Like he was letting himself get hit then return back.


ElChacalFL

Canelo was just looking for that backhand uppercut, landed it at the 0:56 mark, but wasn't clean enough. Then bang right on the chin. Beautiful. Mungia looked better in this fight than I ever saw him before. His jab was excellent, but he just didn't know how and when to use it. Was just throwing it out like candy.


Ricky_Vaughn86

How tf did he not go down after that first straight right he ate 💀 That Canelo dude isn’t a bad boxer, someone should probably sign him.


Bichobichir

I saw a snippet of a Chavez Jr interview in which he insinuated that the reason Canelo didn’t knock out Munguía had something to do with “la maña” (AKA: The Cartels) This is a video where Chavez is praising Canelo. I found it odd that Canelo wouldn’t finish Munguía, and even held him up during the exchange of the last round. I hate conspiracies, but it does make me wonder.


CSK3248

I always felt that the knockdown really swayed the judges scoredcard in favor of canelo. Obviously still would’ve won but the scorecard should’ve been closer in my opinion.


BushidoBrowneII

Munguia is such a shitty fighter I mean..his plan was to duck down and get hit Every time


sugerdigitalgenius

Unless it’s Benavidez or Crawford idgaf, go ahead and ruin your drawing power so fans can save their money for better entertainment


Specialist_Writer_11

Benavidez great, Crawford nah


patrickg34120

Yeah but the odds of it being Bud is way higher than Benevidez, that ship had sailed and Canelo don’t want it


sugerdigitalgenius

Crawford’s achievements speak for itself, there’s not much you or anyone else can do to persuade me otherwise


OrangeFilmer

It's not about his achievements. Crawford is a p4p-er no doubt, but he fights 3 weight classes below Canelo...


shadowboxingboi

Sorry after one elite win in Spence, Crawford beats literally everyone that has ever existed.


MarcusAurelius180AD

There will be people who actually believe crawford can take on fucking usyk or something


OrangeFilmer

Crawford KO's Usyk easily. All Crawford has to do is swing his big balls at him and it's lights out for Usyk!


MarcusAurelius180AD

Crawford takes the entire heavyweight division with his BBC


MatttheJ

"nobody can ever persuade me to re-evaluate my opinions" is definitely a very healthy and good mindset to have /s


sugerdigitalgenius

My opinions on Crawford potential beating Canelo, no… we have Manny Pac Roy Jones Armstrong & number of other elites who have successfully jumped division


AlexMindset

Casual ass take