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They are good friends with the Duke, who should have been there too. That actor quitting has screwed up the Mondriches plot. No one remembers from season one that the two guys were besties. Now you have to assume Simon is around (out of sight) keeping the Mondrich-Bridgerton connection going. He and Daphne also should be helping them navigate their child suddenly being nobility and their massive change in circumstances.
I’ve been saying that actually, the Mondriches were so connected to Simon their existence without so much as a mention of him is super weird. Simon disappearing stays disappointing in so many ways!
Thank you, I 100% respect the actors choices not to come back, especially if he didn’t feel comfortable in the role anymore, this is definitely nothing against him! But I do wish the show would’ve come up with a more elegant solution to have him around still, like a mini cameo once a season? Or even recasting him? With Daphne now vanishing as well I’m really afraid they’re setting up a pattern of just dropping the characters who already had their season, which would be such a shame!
You’ve convinced me!! I honestly believe Alfie Enoch should be recasted as the duke, even though he gives sweet boy vibes. The duke isn’t a rake anymore and I’m assuming he’s more docile now that he has a wife. Plus he’s also attractive 🤭 I don’t think many fans would be mad since rege is the one who jumped ship.
It happens all the time, and basically since the invention of TV. The switched Cousin Mary on *The Munsters,* Darrin on *Bewitched,* Lionel on *The Jeffersons,* Aunt Viv in *The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air,* Becky in *Roseanne.* the list could go in and on. With all the wild and bold choices they make for this show I can't understand why they don't just recast.
Or at least have Daphne and their kid in there a lot more? And I mean they do a lot of witty writing, why not make it a sort of running joke, that we never get to see him/his face anymore… like Wilson in Home Improvement.
They can recast Simon easily. While he was a main character in season one, he hasn't been seen since — and while Regé did a good job portraying Simon, he didn't so utterly *become* his character in such an iconic manner (a lá RDJ with Tony Stark) that recasting him would be unthinkable.
He’s not a major character anymore. He could easily be replaced and I don’t think it would cause too much of a difference. He’d be in it for what, three or four scenes in a season (if that)
This! Recast the Duke and bring him and Daphne back! Literally not even a mention of Daphnes name in a season where the sibling she is closest to got married?!?! Like she wouldn't have been there!
It wasn’t the actor quitting that screwed them up, it was the bad writing. No-one forced the scriptwriters to continue making the Mondriches a part of the plot, and if they did, they could have incorporated them better by, for example, establishing Will and Benedict or Colin became such good friends, they go to each other with their problems.
I mean Will helped Colin uncover the ruby scam by cousin Jack in season 2. Benedict meets the dude from art school through Will in season 2. Benedict helped Will and Alice navigate their first ball. They had Colin’s bachelor evening at the bar and John was there too so maybe it was John that invited Will to the wedding. Lady Danbury who is very much Bridgerton family adjacent also helps Will and Alice navigate their new position in society. They are included in the Bridgerton family even without the Duke present.
Did they execute that well this season? Debatable. I think some scenes definitely could have been combined to make more time for Polin. But in principle, the Mondriches have been included in the bridgerton family since season 2, season 1 if you count the Duke.
He didn't quit, they offered them all shitty contracts for season 1 with no security. So he took on other work, before Bridgerton took off. I imagine Shondalanda were kicking rocks when they realised they should have given them better assurances after the series went huge. If you don't value who you have when you begin something, then they shouldn't expect them to stick around.
Did he quit or was he just not written in to subsequent series?
edit: No, you're right he was only contracted for 1 season but when asked to return he declined because he wanted to pursue other work (which hasn't worked out for him). It's a shame because it would have been nice to see more of Simon and Daphne.
I wish they just showed Will and Anthony becoming closer friends in season 2 or something, since Simon was kind of like a best friend to the both of them, it would be relatively easy to just push them together and have them play the role. It wouldn’t have changed anything, or taken much (or any extra, if they did it right!) time. But they couldn’t be bothered ig 🤷🏻♀️
Yeahhh it’s weird they don’t even mention him. I wonder if it’s a contract thing? Like even a line here or there about how Simon writes to their son giving advice or something.
Honestly, their plot line in season 2 was good, even without Simon's presence. It made sense, fit into the story seamlessly, and took nothing away from the main story. Whereas their storyline in s3 was so incredibly forced and straight-up boring. The writers very easily could have done something interesting with showing class differences and their true interpersonal struggles of suddenly being raised in station, but all they did was think about whether or not they should go to that night's ball. Boring.
ngl the actor who plays simon dipping after one season because he didn’t want to be known for bridgerton… really selfish tbh. and I don’t think he’s done any grand performances since. Removing Daphne (not at her own siblings weddings?!?!?!) & Simon quitting shot the show in the foot.
Edit to clarify - they don’t even so much as mention them anymore, or give explanations as to why they’re absent. even without the actor, they had options to recast or at *least* discuss them!
I’m late for the tea and Ive seen a LOT of different speculations, but why did RJP quit? Was it because of the racism thing he experienced or alluded in his previous IG posts?
And even in real life weddings, the parents of one half of the marrying couple will insist on inviting those couples they met once on a cruise because they liked their vibe, regardless of whether or not the marrying couple even knows their names, or those weird distant cousins that nobody really talks to but they went to their wedding so it's only right because they're family.
And no, this isn't from personal experience lol. I just love reading/watching wedding horror stories.
I mean, it would’ve been nice to see that invitation on screen then! Because to me their friendship was not obvious at all, they were in the same place at the same time sometimes but there wasn’t more to it that we got to see
They were drinking and hanging out together at Wills club and the bachelor party with Colin and Benedict. All four guys were friends. Will even helped a drunk John out of the club. And John was alone in the city without family, of course he would want his friend at his wedding.
It would've been so easy to directly connect it by having John extend the invitation during the drinking scene. Or Colin or Ben could've been the one to say to Will, "And surely you will be in attendance at this wedding?" with John nodding in agreement that he's invited.
It was pretty obvious to me John and Will are apart of the same friend group. And Will has become a main supporting character. Of course he was going to the wedding of one his friends and another supporting character, idk why this needs an extra scene to explain.
I feel like the art of inference is gone. Not everything needs to be explained or showed. Hes there who the f cares. Francesca or John obvi wanted them there.
Nowadays, people needed to be spoon fed by almost everything. And they also want to look for something to complain. (Even with other subreddit shows, people complain to something like "why actors don't put food into their mouth in a scene", it's exhausting). I guess we live in the time where we have too much time and nothing to do so we complain? 🤷
I'm generally okay with these kinds of changes but would be hard here with Gareth's back story -- family issues is the spoiler free version. They'd have to do a character assassination of the Mondrichs.
Absolutely they could not. Hyacinth's husband has a Simon-type thing going on with his father. Lifelong hatred for one another and whatnot, because his father is a terrible person.
Idk, I understand why the original books did this as a plot device for relationship issues but on a television show it would be a bit repetitive for 3 Bridgertons to marry men with a child abuse backstory. I foresee some changes, and to be honest this is one aspect in which I wouldn’t mind that. Watching Simon have to deal with all that was plenty; I could be ok if they figured out something different for Eloise and Hyacinth’s seasons.
Who else has a child abuse back story? I can't think of a third beyond Simon and Gareth. Gareth is a bit different in that he is told at some point in his childhood why his father hates him so much and is able to deal with it while his father is still alive. But, I agree fully that it'd be nice to see something a little fresher, as Julia Quinn unfortunately reused a lot of tropes over and over, so the stories end up feeling quite same-y. What I do hope they'll keep is the consent; Gareth is a consent king in the books. JQ had figured out consent by Hyacinth's turn.
Phillip Crane, and to a lesser extent his kids too. I personally like him but (assuming they keep him) his whole plot could definitely use some polishing.
Agreed on the consent. They seemed to go for that pretty fully for Pen and Colin so hopefully that holds.
Oh yes, I sort of remember this now. I really half-heartedly read Eloise's book because it was pretty unfortunate to me the way they damped down her character in it, so I forgot Phillip >!just beating his children to make them behave since that's how his parents treated him!<. On the real though, book spoilers incoming, I kind of liked Hyacinth/Gareth's story even though it was pretty light-hearted and forgettable overall. >!It gave a nice payoff seeing him jump through these mental hoops to first realize exactly why he was hated when his older brother was not (he was illegitimate; his father never knew who the affair partner was, but timeline-wise it couldn't have been him), and then to deal with the death of his older brother and the fact that he was the only male left to carry on the St. Clair title/name despite always having been told by his "father" that it wasn't rightfully his and he would never measure up to be good enough for it. And then Hyacinth unknowingly helps him solve the mystery of who his real father is and provides him validity when a lot of women would've left him after figuring out he was illegitimate. It's a good mix of lightheartedness and interesting depth, but it is also very reminiscent of what you'd get if you kind of combined Saphne + Benophie. JQ certainly likes to reuse her tropes.!<
Yeah, he was eyeing her with more than awe when they first met. (Edited: for some reason folks here are taking this statement to mean something obscene? I just meant he seemed extra arrested by her.)
Perhaps my recollection is off, but the only scene they had together was when she and Gregory set up the chess board to teach him to play, where they shared 4 seconds of screen time. Were you able to infer this from that brief moment, as I didn't see it?
Yeah they only had that one scene at the engagement party where they met. Hyacinth introduced herself, then Wills kid, then they went off to play with Gregory’s bow and arrow. I didn’t read too much into it, but I think it would make sense if they set them up together as we don’t know any of Lady Danbury’s children or grandchildren and it would give them a reason to keep the Mondriches around.
My point with the previous comment was more that it would be very realistic for a 12 year old to have an innocent crush, like a lot of people did back in middle school. Not that he’s dreaming about sleeping with her or anything. Penelope also had a crush on Colin from the moment they met, so it wouldn’t be shocking if Lord Kent crushes on Hyacinth and they eventually get together later on when they’re both grown up.
I feel for you because some of the comments under this very innocent statement are insane. Sometimes I can’t believe what unhinged rubbish people write and how self righteous they are. The kids are pre-teens. It’s totally legit that they have crushes and nothing wrong with suggesting they do.
It’s because you said “eyeing her”, which is heavily associated with looking someone over with sexual interest, ie “eyeing her up”. Your wording is off so people are reacting to it lol.
Yeah I knew you meant crush too, but I had to read it over twice to realize you didn’t say “eyeing her up” lol. For what its worth, I think he had a crush on her then too, and that’s what they were implying with that cute scene between them.
Thank you for helping me recognize how my words went astray.
And yeah. It was kind of darling, though I worry they are setting up a triangle (unless his middle name is Gareth).
No problem! Sorry if my tone came off as rude or anything, I was being genuine earlier about your edit, and answering the ‘why’ lol.
I agree. Tbh I’m sick of love triangles, and would rather they go the way of a childhood crush turned brief dating/ turned friends, once they get older, and if his middle name *isn’t* Gareth. And if it is… happy surprise! And not the first (or most surprising) plot twist the show has pulled on us so far.
lol you have been great. Kind and informative. I appreciate your approach very much.
And yeah. Him being Gareth and having a completely different upbringing would be a plot twist that wouldn’t surprise me (it wouldn’t be Gareth without the parent angst, imo, but there have been stranger changes).
I think this sub is also a bit downvote heavy, and people don't necessarily give each other the benefit of the doubt. But I also agree that it was meant to be a cute scene where little Mondrich was very innocently flustered in front of Hyacinth.
Exactly. Gregory and Hyacinth will need FRIENDS their age. I think they are the just establishing that for when the younger kid are older so they have someone interact with when all of their siblings have moved out.
True that. They've used many of the same background extras across the three seasons but they'll need to phase those out somewhat and introduce side characters for the younger siblings here in the next couple of seasons.
I wish we saw more from their kids and how they’re adjusting to this world because I think their perspective would have been more interesting particularly the eldest who received the title
John was visiting London from Scotland (he's the Earl of Kilmartin). It's likely most of his family members live there too and would have been too far away to attend.
Well no, because it would've taken a very long time to get from Kilmartin to London (that's why Violet was so shocked when Francesca told her she and John would be settling in Scotland - it's a journey that takes weeks). Remember that John and Francesca had a special license to marry quickly!
It’s not like historical accuracy means anything to this show, but the wedding itself wasn’t as big of a deal in the regency era. It would have been unlikely for John’s family, or any out of town family, to make the trip.
Yes! Thank you for pointing that out. And didn't John say his mother would prefer to avoid hosting a wedding breakfast? Seems she's as asocial as he is.
I think traveling for a few weeks would have been hard to arrange, and it makes sense in-universe given that Daphne and Anthony are both missing it. (In this made up world where Anthony would miss his sister's wedding in order to take his pregnant wife on a six month long dangerous ship journey).
Violet's idea to do the wedding in the country was so sensible given this. It would've been a good way to meet in the middle and give everyone ample time to attend.
Of all the things to be offended about.... this take is wild. Its a wedding. They can invite whoever they want. They are allowed to call it a small family wedding and invite non-family members. It just means they don't want a massive society wedding.
Are the Mondriches my favorite plot? No, but I can appreciate that they are not meant for me. Someone else sees themselves in them though, and that is great.
And given the arc of the Featherington family (who I have been annoyed with for two seasons but now like), I am willing to give them some space. Their storyline is likely leading somewhere.
I honestly prefer the Mondriches to the Featheringtons, I wish the plotline they were given this season was stronger but I'm glad that they've stayed in the show post-Simon.
I appreciate the Mondrich sideplot because it shows the life of the nouveau riche/recently titled family. Will had to give up his club once his son was titled because a gentleman doesn't dabble in trade. He can invest, sure, but not work himself. If you watch Queen Charlotte, you can see how the Danburys struggled to be accepted into Society during the "Great Experiment." There was a question raised on another post somewhere - why was Alice in the Queen's box? - and in my head it's because both Lady Danbury and Queen Charlotte went through that "Great Experiment" together. If that makes sense.
I like Will and Alice’s journey so far and how they’re grappling with having worked hard to establish a more sustainable long-term plan for their family, which is suddenly supplanted by something completely random and unearned - of course it’s quite right of Will to point out NOBODY in their new society really “deserves” to be where they are.
I think the show should’ve tightened up their plot a bit for this season and narrowed in on them discussing the pros and cons and adapting to the changes of their new status. Weren’t they living in a one-room home in season one? Will and Alice are clearly not hapless people, but holy crap, they went through a BIG change! I think scenes like the Mondrichs following their own rules at home and Alice feeling comfortable enough to adapt her wardrobe (but loving on the jewels) could’ve been moved to season four. That might’ve given the season three plots a little more breathing room and incorporated the Mondrichs characters in a gradual and natural way.
For example, could there have been a scene of Violet, Hyacinth, and Gregory at the Mondrichs’ house? The kids are playing together and perhaps the adults are alluding to NOT sleeping separately (Violet and Edmund definitely didn’t, right?). Hyacinth makes a rather tactless comment about how Alice continues to wear the old Lady Kent’s unfashionable wardrobe and gets scolded, but Alice is like “Hmmm, perhaps it is time for a change.”
Thank you for being cool about it. They’re getting so much hate for simply existing in the series and it’s getting annoying. You’re not going to love everything about a show and that’s OKAY.
Also, I remember from the books that Violet would push her sons to be gallant and dance with wallflowers because it was kind to make them feel included.
So it seems in character that she'd make an effort to include a family who were newly come into money but struggling to navigate their new social rank. Especially since at least two of her sons and new son in law are friendly with Mr Mondrich.
I keep seeing this word being thrown at anyone who says anything even slightly negative about the season.
Is it truly deranged behavior to ask someone to fill in a plot point they missed? Do you really, honestly feel this post is a sign of a mental imbalance? 🧐 Idk I feel lumping an entire subreddit together as mentally ill for not having the same opinion as you is unhinged behavior but whatever 🤷♀️🙃🙄
But this isn’t a missed plot. We see John bonding with Will at the club and John doesn’t have any family or friends nearby he can invite to such an occasion. It is not a missed plot point at all.
Some of the Mondrich plotline seemed random, but them attending Fran & John’s wedding made perfect sense to me. Benedict and Colin obviously have an established relationship with Will and the club and we’re shown pre-wedding scenes of John hanging out with them there too (which also provided some short but sweet moments for John himself). John is distant from the ton, both geographically and in the sense that he’s a reserved man, so it isn’t hard to believe the Mondrichs are among his closest connections - again, both geographically and figuratively!
The Mondrichs and Benedict had some good stuff this season that could’ve been revised and edited down a bit, in my opinion. But I guess we got what we got!
The scenes with John at the club are where I feel like we got to know him best. He’s not just Francesca’s love interest, he’s funny and witty and genuinely enjoys the others company and vice versa.
I'm so confused by these takes. How is a common family being thrust into society not screen worthy. Not to mention the already established connections Will has to the Duke and the Bridgertons.
Yeah, I have to wonder if part of it is that the Mondriches are friends with several of the Bridgerton men (and Simon).
I also feel like including a newly minted society family and helping them learn how to navigate society in general seems like something the Bridgerton family (and lady Danbury) would make an effort to do.
I am going to disagree with a lot of people about the Mondriches. I absolutely love that they're being brought into the Bridgerton fold more and more each year. They offer an outsiders perspective to those raised within the Ton. Love the idea of them being supportive friends to Benedict, Colin, and John, etc.
I especially love the wife, whose name I am unfortunately blanking on at the moment. She felt like a fully formed, three-dimensional character from her first introduction in Season 1. She has almost always presented as this very strong, confident, and self-possessed woman, who has great insight to offer others. She advised Simon in Season 1, her husband in Season 3, and Colin in Season 3. Even her statement during episode 5 regarding how exposing LW would ruin LW family demonstrates the kind of person she is. As the seasons go on, the Bridgertons leave their (at times) toxic ways and friends behind and need good people to relate to and enjoy time with.
The husband has also been pivotal in Simon's life in season 1, in an unfortunate (or maybe not) way in the Featheringtons lives, put his neck on the line to inform Colin in Season 2 (which led to Colin "saving" the Featheringtons), and was a good friend to B, C & J in Season 3.
Was their specific story all that interesting to me this season? No, but they had to enter society to play the supporting roles for C, B, & J and LD honestly as well.
Mondrich is S1 was besties with Simon,but after the actor left for "a bigger project" , mondrich has become good friends with Bridgerton's aswell, all the brothers hangout with Him,or in his club. Even in S1 ig Anthony was seen in Mondrich's club. Even John was hanging out with him before his wedding.
They were friends with John Sterling! Sir Mondriches was at the bachelor party and attended events with Sir Stulirling. Also he’s another Earl, it looks good to have a peer at your events.
The Mondriches are being integrated as family friends, and also I think as mentees of Danbury.
We see Will’s connection with Colin and Benedict and they even nod to a connection of their kids getting to know Hyacinth and Gregory. Will’s character is meant to based on a real figure. And I think they don’t truly take up as much plot as people have been complaining about.
I think it’s a nice side plot that’s not too taxing.❤️
Ok I have to disagree here. We’ve seen Will Mondritch interact with the Bridgertons in every season. Simon and Anthony in season 1, Colin in season 2, and Colin and Benedict this season. Will warned Colin about Jack’s scheme in season 2. And now that the Mondritches have joined the ton, it only makes sense they were invited to the wedding.
Of all the criticism of this season, this is the weakest I’ve seen so far
I actually liked having them in the show and seeing things from a different perspective. To be told “do what you want” and thinking the men could in fact do whatever, to have him be pressured to sell his bar? Eye opening that it still affected men and there were still ‘rules’ for them too.
I love girl power as much as the next person but it was quite refreshing to literally see a guy be told he cant do something, even when he had the resources and want to do it.
I feel like their outsider/nouveau riches storyline had potential, but the characters themselves are kinda bland. Like spice them uppp if they’re going to be onscreen as much as the main cast
Why was Simon and Daphne's disappearance not even addressed. They were literally not present to two Bridgerton weddings
And even Edwina was mentioned in passing lol
Because they are friends of the Duke, who is married to Daphne who is Francesca’s sister. And, because the Mondriches are now members of the Ton and were recently given a blessing from the Queen. No one dares to snub a family that the Queen has publicly approved of. So…
Francesca’s husband became acquainted with Mondrich through Colin and Benedict. They shared a bro moment the last night at the club. Not super close but maybe that’s how they came to be invited
I actually really enjoyed their story line even though it was a little disconnected. Their perspective and suddenly becoming part of society was interesting.
I assumed they were there for John. Because John was at the closing of the Mondrich club and seemed to speak openly with Will. The Mondrich son gets along well with the Bridgerton children. Lady Danbury approves of them and they are close with her. Violet is close with Lady Danbury so stands to reason they are around each other often off screen.
He's not there for Fran's side. He's there for John's.
S3 has shown him having drinks and hangouts a few times with him. John has no other available family and seems the type to not make friends easily so I can see him inviting his newest friend and wife to his wedding.
We see Benedict, Colin, and John Stirling socializing intimately with Will Mondrich before John and Francesca wed. I think it’s likely that John invited Will and Alice.
The Mondriches have gone from pivotal to character growth, to pivotal for plot lines, to an absolute waste of fucking time; at this point, they can fuck all the way off and them being at this “small family wedding” was the last straw on my patience.
I do think not having Simon is a huge lost for what they had planned for them, that now it’s kinda awkward without that connection being present in the show. But I honestly do think they’re trying to set them up for a bigger plot now that they’re as involved in the ton as everyone else on the show. But again the connection is lost without Simon being present as that was really the only connections they had to the Bridgertons, but it is nice to see Benedict/Colin also guide them this season.
They're supposed to replace Daphne and Simon. It's extra harsh when Daphne is the only living member >!not mentioned in the speech!< while those two are friends of her husband's
If you're talking about John's speech at the wedding, he didn't mention Anthony either if I recall correctly. He just mentioned the Bridgerton who where in front of him, which kind of make sense to me. These kind of speeches are meant to be heard by the people they're about.
Someone said in another thread that they may be setting up the Mondriches son (the newly titled one) as Hyacinth's love interest for a future season. Interesting theory. (I'm sure someone else mentioned it here by now but I didn't see it.)
I mean we are shown John and Mondrich hanging out and talking through the season. And the Mondrich family is close to the elder Bridgerton boys plus Simon. We also see Hy and Greg playing with their kids. Clearly the families are close…
I like the Mondritches but it did seem odd - maybe Francesca’s husband invited them?
I feel like Violet would invite them to something since other people are kind of sneering at them but the fact that it was not explained was very odd.
Maybe need a non family witness and they knew the Mondritches would keep it low key and/or would be available?
John doesn’t have a lot of friends, but there’s multiple scenes with him hanging out with Will, Benedict, and Colin at Will’s bar as they close it, and for Colin’s bucks night.
Consider that Will is one of John’s closest friends in the ton.
Don’t not recognize the extreme faults of the lazy writing and production levels of this season.
It’s not fair to the show runners to have to see criticism of thier work.
We fans should just shut up and accept that the fact, that out of nowhere, the mondriches who have no connection to Francesca and John would be at thier small intimate wedding.
Why are the Mondriches still in the show? (No, I don’t buy the “showing class differences and upward social mobility and their son is Hyacinth’s boyfriend” arguments because they’re all pointless in a show that did not bring back stories of Sienna, Genevieve and Theo Sharpe and can’t get its pairings right.
Because both the season 3 love interest and the entire Bridgerton family are white. So they shoehorn in this side plot to maintain their promise of diversity.
They could’ve made Lord Cho a main character with his new fiancée because he is friends with Anthony and Colin. This isn’t promise of diversity as much as it is tokenism. We already have very strong POC/Black actors representation in the Queen, Lady Danbury, Marcus Anderson, Genevieve Delacroix ( a MUCH more interesting character than all of the Mondriches), John Stirling and more.
It didn’t make sense that they were there in place of Kilmartin’s parents (especially because he was an ONLY CHILD?!?! Idc how shy they are, like this plot absolutely didn’t make sense)
They needed bodies to fill out the background. Why hire a few more extras when you got the Mondriches signed for the whole season? The budget must have been slashed with how few extra people were used to fill out the large gatherings. Made the ton feel empty compaired to the previous seasons where scenes were jam packed with people.
Because the writers have gone rogue and have no idea what they’re doing anymore and are just throwing the Mondriches everywhere they can for some stupid reason
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They are good friends with the Duke, who should have been there too. That actor quitting has screwed up the Mondriches plot. No one remembers from season one that the two guys were besties. Now you have to assume Simon is around (out of sight) keeping the Mondrich-Bridgerton connection going. He and Daphne also should be helping them navigate their child suddenly being nobility and their massive change in circumstances.
I’ve been saying that actually, the Mondriches were so connected to Simon their existence without so much as a mention of him is super weird. Simon disappearing stays disappointing in so many ways!
Wowww I totally forgot that was why they were around to begin with!
Yup, and before anyone comes for you - people are allowed to miss the Simon character! No one's is attacking the actor here. This is a safe space.
Thank you, I 100% respect the actors choices not to come back, especially if he didn’t feel comfortable in the role anymore, this is definitely nothing against him! But I do wish the show would’ve come up with a more elegant solution to have him around still, like a mini cameo once a season? Or even recasting him? With Daphne now vanishing as well I’m really afraid they’re setting up a pattern of just dropping the characters who already had their season, which would be such a shame!
Honestly, they should have just recast the Duke.
I think Alfie Enoch would be a good replacement and he has already worked for Shonda Rhimes when he did _How to Get Away with Murder_.
Omg I forgot about Alfie Enoch existence, he would be a 10/10 replacement!
Alfie or Lucien Laviscount!
Lucien would be DIVINE!!! 🤩
My vote is also on Lucien Laviscount. They somewhat have the same appeal.
Oh wow. I just googled him and yeah definitely Lucian >>> Alfie
Lucien is perfect! and he already has collaborated with Netflix because Emily in Paris.
He’s so attractive but I feel he doesn’t give off ”rake” vibes. Lucien Laviscount would be amazing, I’m dying for him to get on the show somehow
I saw him in Romeo and Juliet at the Globe and can confirm he does!
So jealous! Want to see Shakespeare at the Globe someday soon
Eh, it's ok, RSC in Stratford is better imo
Yea. He’s got those innocent puppy eyes.I can’t picture him as The Duke at all 😭
Alfie would EAT. His voice is so deep
You’ve convinced me!! I honestly believe Alfie Enoch should be recasted as the duke, even though he gives sweet boy vibes. The duke isn’t a rake anymore and I’m assuming he’s more docile now that he has a wife. Plus he’s also attractive 🤭 I don’t think many fans would be mad since rege is the one who jumped ship.
I wanted him for Michael 😩
Omg how did I never think of this, they actually look like brothers
I saw Austin Scott on Broadway in two different shows and always thought he could pull the part off.
Please not Mr. Longneck. That's all I see when I look at him. So. Much. Neck. But I agree they should have just recast.
I like his neck, it’s unique. Plus, more neck to trail kisses on up to his face.
It's not that hard. Sense 8 replaced an actor and when someone said he looked different the character just said he switched barbers.
It happens all the time, and basically since the invention of TV. The switched Cousin Mary on *The Munsters,* Darrin on *Bewitched,* Lionel on *The Jeffersons,* Aunt Viv in *The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air,* Becky in *Roseanne.* the list could go in and on. With all the wild and bold choices they make for this show I can't understand why they don't just recast.
Or at least have Daphne and their kid in there a lot more? And I mean they do a lot of witty writing, why not make it a sort of running joke, that we never get to see him/his face anymore… like Wilson in Home Improvement.
They should have changed the dynamic between Daphne and the wife to portray how close the husbands are since we no longer have the Duke
Audrey and Rusty in National Lampoon's.
I loved that scene 💜
I agree. This is supposed to be a show about a family and when important members don't show up to events and aren't even mentioned it falls flat.
Yeah, it's like suddenly she got married and then then forgot she had a family. And they are supposed to be a close-knit family!
If they can recast Francesca, why not Simon?
Because she wasn’t a major character yet.
They can recast Simon easily. While he was a main character in season one, he hasn't been seen since — and while Regé did a good job portraying Simon, he didn't so utterly *become* his character in such an iconic manner (a lá RDJ with Tony Stark) that recasting him would be unthinkable.
He’s not a major character anymore. He could easily be replaced and I don’t think it would cause too much of a difference. He’d be in it for what, three or four scenes in a season (if that)
Fair.
Definitely. Why he and Daphne were never at either wedding and they didn't even speak about their absence all of season 3 was v weird
Agreed!
They could replace him with letters! Letter writing is already an established thing!
They could, but Phoebe's said she isn't interested in coming back either, so it wouldn't make sense to have Simon around and not Daphne.
This! Recast the Duke and bring him and Daphne back! Literally not even a mention of Daphnes name in a season where the sibling she is closest to got married?!?! Like she wouldn't have been there!
Even if the Duke were still in the show, I still feel like your inlaw’s best friends shouldn’t be at your teeny tiny wedding 😂
It wasn’t the actor quitting that screwed them up, it was the bad writing. No-one forced the scriptwriters to continue making the Mondriches a part of the plot, and if they did, they could have incorporated them better by, for example, establishing Will and Benedict or Colin became such good friends, they go to each other with their problems.
I mean Will helped Colin uncover the ruby scam by cousin Jack in season 2. Benedict meets the dude from art school through Will in season 2. Benedict helped Will and Alice navigate their first ball. They had Colin’s bachelor evening at the bar and John was there too so maybe it was John that invited Will to the wedding. Lady Danbury who is very much Bridgerton family adjacent also helps Will and Alice navigate their new position in society. They are included in the Bridgerton family even without the Duke present. Did they execute that well this season? Debatable. I think some scenes definitely could have been combined to make more time for Polin. But in principle, the Mondriches have been included in the bridgerton family since season 2, season 1 if you count the Duke.
He didn't quit, they offered them all shitty contracts for season 1 with no security. So he took on other work, before Bridgerton took off. I imagine Shondalanda were kicking rocks when they realised they should have given them better assurances after the series went huge. If you don't value who you have when you begin something, then they shouldn't expect them to stick around.
I don't even remember Mondrich being in the first season it seems like so long ago. lol
He was the boxer friend of Simon.
And a little bit of Anthony thru the Duke.
Did he quit or was he just not written in to subsequent series? edit: No, you're right he was only contracted for 1 season but when asked to return he declined because he wanted to pursue other work (which hasn't worked out for him). It's a shame because it would have been nice to see more of Simon and Daphne.
He only had a 1-season contract. He didn’t quit.
I wish they just showed Will and Anthony becoming closer friends in season 2 or something, since Simon was kind of like a best friend to the both of them, it would be relatively easy to just push them together and have them play the role. It wouldn’t have changed anything, or taken much (or any extra, if they did it right!) time. But they couldn’t be bothered ig 🤷🏻♀️
Yes. They don’t even need to recast, just a casual mention here and there to remind the viewers would suffice.
Yeahhh it’s weird they don’t even mention him. I wonder if it’s a contract thing? Like even a line here or there about how Simon writes to their son giving advice or something.
Honestly, their plot line in season 2 was good, even without Simon's presence. It made sense, fit into the story seamlessly, and took nothing away from the main story. Whereas their storyline in s3 was so incredibly forced and straight-up boring. The writers very easily could have done something interesting with showing class differences and their true interpersonal struggles of suddenly being raised in station, but all they did was think about whether or not they should go to that night's ball. Boring.
The actor quitting doesn’t have anything to do with it
ngl the actor who plays simon dipping after one season because he didn’t want to be known for bridgerton… really selfish tbh. and I don’t think he’s done any grand performances since. Removing Daphne (not at her own siblings weddings?!?!?!) & Simon quitting shot the show in the foot. Edit to clarify - they don’t even so much as mention them anymore, or give explanations as to why they’re absent. even without the actor, they had options to recast or at *least* discuss them!
I wish they would recast Simon fr.
Ohhhh this makes sense now! I’ve literally been so confused about them and I forgot that that was the connection
I’m late for the tea and Ive seen a LOT of different speculations, but why did RJP quit? Was it because of the racism thing he experienced or alluded in his previous IG posts?
He didn't quit. He had 1 year contract for series. When the time came he simply decided to not signed new contract
Ahh, yes. Thank you! I forgot about this even though it was so prominent in the first season
John and Will were hanging out and became friends. Francesca is not the only one allowed to invite people to the wedding.
That's what I assumed, John must have invited Will and his family. He didn't have anyone from his family so it makes sense then
And even in real life weddings, the parents of one half of the marrying couple will insist on inviting those couples they met once on a cruise because they liked their vibe, regardless of whether or not the marrying couple even knows their names, or those weird distant cousins that nobody really talks to but they went to their wedding so it's only right because they're family. And no, this isn't from personal experience lol. I just love reading/watching wedding horror stories.
I mean, it would’ve been nice to see that invitation on screen then! Because to me their friendship was not obvious at all, they were in the same place at the same time sometimes but there wasn’t more to it that we got to see
They were drinking and hanging out together at Wills club and the bachelor party with Colin and Benedict. All four guys were friends. Will even helped a drunk John out of the club. And John was alone in the city without family, of course he would want his friend at his wedding.
It would've been so easy to directly connect it by having John extend the invitation during the drinking scene. Or Colin or Ben could've been the one to say to Will, "And surely you will be in attendance at this wedding?" with John nodding in agreement that he's invited.
It was pretty obvious to me John and Will are apart of the same friend group. And Will has become a main supporting character. Of course he was going to the wedding of one his friends and another supporting character, idk why this needs an extra scene to explain.
> idk why this needs an extra scene to explain. I don't either. I suggested a single line in an existing scene.
You want to see invitation on screen when there's not enough screen time for Polin!? Like...whut?
I feel like the art of inference is gone. Not everything needs to be explained or showed. Hes there who the f cares. Francesca or John obvi wanted them there.
People are just looking for shit to complain about now
THIS
I'll second this.
Nowadays, people needed to be spoon fed by almost everything. And they also want to look for something to complain. (Even with other subreddit shows, people complain to something like "why actors don't put food into their mouth in a scene", it's exhausting). I guess we live in the time where we have too much time and nothing to do so we complain? 🤷
You want to be spoon fed every nuance and explanation? *That* makes for boring television.
Agree with you. To me, John was at the club as a guest of the Bridgerton brothers. I saw no friendship developed between John and Will.
They drink together after hours. They’re friends for life.
This! He didn’t have family so why couldn’t he have close friends there?
It was weird that John's family wasn't there. Dies anyone know why they didn't come? Was it only to avoid casting actors for his parents?
Yeah I thought about that too
I think it's meant to build the connection between the two families for future seasons
I have a feeling that show Hyacinth could end up with their son
Sameee she will become lady Kent 100% sure
I sure hope not. I love Hyacinth's book. 😭
They can just insert the personality of Hyacinths love interest onto Will’s son and keep the story the same
I'm generally okay with these kinds of changes but would be hard here with Gareth's back story -- family issues is the spoiler free version. They'd have to do a character assassination of the Mondrichs.
Absolutely they could not. Hyacinth's husband has a Simon-type thing going on with his father. Lifelong hatred for one another and whatnot, because his father is a terrible person.
Idk, I understand why the original books did this as a plot device for relationship issues but on a television show it would be a bit repetitive for 3 Bridgertons to marry men with a child abuse backstory. I foresee some changes, and to be honest this is one aspect in which I wouldn’t mind that. Watching Simon have to deal with all that was plenty; I could be ok if they figured out something different for Eloise and Hyacinth’s seasons.
Who else has a child abuse back story? I can't think of a third beyond Simon and Gareth. Gareth is a bit different in that he is told at some point in his childhood why his father hates him so much and is able to deal with it while his father is still alive. But, I agree fully that it'd be nice to see something a little fresher, as Julia Quinn unfortunately reused a lot of tropes over and over, so the stories end up feeling quite same-y. What I do hope they'll keep is the consent; Gareth is a consent king in the books. JQ had figured out consent by Hyacinth's turn.
Phillip Crane, and to a lesser extent his kids too. I personally like him but (assuming they keep him) his whole plot could definitely use some polishing. Agreed on the consent. They seemed to go for that pretty fully for Pen and Colin so hopefully that holds.
Oh yes, I sort of remember this now. I really half-heartedly read Eloise's book because it was pretty unfortunate to me the way they damped down her character in it, so I forgot Phillip >!just beating his children to make them behave since that's how his parents treated him!<. On the real though, book spoilers incoming, I kind of liked Hyacinth/Gareth's story even though it was pretty light-hearted and forgettable overall. >!It gave a nice payoff seeing him jump through these mental hoops to first realize exactly why he was hated when his older brother was not (he was illegitimate; his father never knew who the affair partner was, but timeline-wise it couldn't have been him), and then to deal with the death of his older brother and the fact that he was the only male left to carry on the St. Clair title/name despite always having been told by his "father" that it wasn't rightfully his and he would never measure up to be good enough for it. And then Hyacinth unknowingly helps him solve the mystery of who his real father is and provides him validity when a lot of women would've left him after figuring out he was illegitimate. It's a good mix of lightheartedness and interesting depth, but it is also very reminiscent of what you'd get if you kind of combined Saphne + Benophie. JQ certainly likes to reuse her tropes.!<
This better be it because it could be so cuteee
I thought so too but it could have been foreshadowed in a better way!!
I was thinking the same thing! She's barely older than him.
Yeah, he was eyeing her with more than awe when they first met. (Edited: for some reason folks here are taking this statement to mean something obscene? I just meant he seemed extra arrested by her.)
As a child? I'm not sure I saw that
You didn’t have an innocent crush on someone when you were 12?
Perhaps my recollection is off, but the only scene they had together was when she and Gregory set up the chess board to teach him to play, where they shared 4 seconds of screen time. Were you able to infer this from that brief moment, as I didn't see it?
Yeah they only had that one scene at the engagement party where they met. Hyacinth introduced herself, then Wills kid, then they went off to play with Gregory’s bow and arrow. I didn’t read too much into it, but I think it would make sense if they set them up together as we don’t know any of Lady Danbury’s children or grandchildren and it would give them a reason to keep the Mondriches around. My point with the previous comment was more that it would be very realistic for a 12 year old to have an innocent crush, like a lot of people did back in middle school. Not that he’s dreaming about sleeping with her or anything. Penelope also had a crush on Colin from the moment they met, so it wouldn’t be shocking if Lord Kent crushes on Hyacinth and they eventually get together later on when they’re both grown up.
He just seemed extra interested and arrested by hyacinth. They are both kids, so not sure there is a problem.
I feel for you because some of the comments under this very innocent statement are insane. Sometimes I can’t believe what unhinged rubbish people write and how self righteous they are. The kids are pre-teens. It’s totally legit that they have crushes and nothing wrong with suggesting they do.
It’s because you said “eyeing her”, which is heavily associated with looking someone over with sexual interest, ie “eyeing her up”. Your wording is off so people are reacting to it lol.
I would have thought the word awe put it into context lol I’ll just need to be a better writer.
Yeah I knew you meant crush too, but I had to read it over twice to realize you didn’t say “eyeing her up” lol. For what its worth, I think he had a crush on her then too, and that’s what they were implying with that cute scene between them.
Thank you for helping me recognize how my words went astray. And yeah. It was kind of darling, though I worry they are setting up a triangle (unless his middle name is Gareth).
No problem! Sorry if my tone came off as rude or anything, I was being genuine earlier about your edit, and answering the ‘why’ lol. I agree. Tbh I’m sick of love triangles, and would rather they go the way of a childhood crush turned brief dating/ turned friends, once they get older, and if his middle name *isn’t* Gareth. And if it is… happy surprise! And not the first (or most surprising) plot twist the show has pulled on us so far.
lol you have been great. Kind and informative. I appreciate your approach very much. And yeah. Him being Gareth and having a completely different upbringing would be a plot twist that wouldn’t surprise me (it wouldn’t be Gareth without the parent angst, imo, but there have been stranger changes).
I think this sub is also a bit downvote heavy, and people don't necessarily give each other the benefit of the doubt. But I also agree that it was meant to be a cute scene where little Mondrich was very innocently flustered in front of Hyacinth.
Exactly. Gregory and Hyacinth will need FRIENDS their age. I think they are the just establishing that for when the younger kid are older so they have someone interact with when all of their siblings have moved out.
True that. They've used many of the same background extras across the three seasons but they'll need to phase those out somewhat and introduce side characters for the younger siblings here in the next couple of seasons.
I wish we saw more from their kids and how they’re adjusting to this world because I think their perspective would have been more interesting particularly the eldest who received the title
And to add none of the John’s family was present. So, may be they are the black replacement family there…
John was visiting London from Scotland (he's the Earl of Kilmartin). It's likely most of his family members live there too and would have been too far away to attend.
I mean if anything I’d think they’d want to make the effort for his wedding!
Well no, because it would've taken a very long time to get from Kilmartin to London (that's why Violet was so shocked when Francesca told her she and John would be settling in Scotland - it's a journey that takes weeks). Remember that John and Francesca had a special license to marry quickly!
It’s not like historical accuracy means anything to this show, but the wedding itself wasn’t as big of a deal in the regency era. It would have been unlikely for John’s family, or any out of town family, to make the trip.
Yes! Thank you for pointing that out. And didn't John say his mother would prefer to avoid hosting a wedding breakfast? Seems she's as asocial as he is.
I think traveling for a few weeks would have been hard to arrange, and it makes sense in-universe given that Daphne and Anthony are both missing it. (In this made up world where Anthony would miss his sister's wedding in order to take his pregnant wife on a six month long dangerous ship journey).
Violet's idea to do the wedding in the country was so sensible given this. It would've been a good way to meet in the middle and give everyone ample time to attend.
Of all the things to be offended about.... this take is wild. Its a wedding. They can invite whoever they want. They are allowed to call it a small family wedding and invite non-family members. It just means they don't want a massive society wedding. Are the Mondriches my favorite plot? No, but I can appreciate that they are not meant for me. Someone else sees themselves in them though, and that is great. And given the arc of the Featherington family (who I have been annoyed with for two seasons but now like), I am willing to give them some space. Their storyline is likely leading somewhere.
I honestly prefer the Mondriches to the Featheringtons, I wish the plotline they were given this season was stronger but I'm glad that they've stayed in the show post-Simon.
I appreciate the Mondrich sideplot because it shows the life of the nouveau riche/recently titled family. Will had to give up his club once his son was titled because a gentleman doesn't dabble in trade. He can invest, sure, but not work himself. If you watch Queen Charlotte, you can see how the Danburys struggled to be accepted into Society during the "Great Experiment." There was a question raised on another post somewhere - why was Alice in the Queen's box? - and in my head it's because both Lady Danbury and Queen Charlotte went through that "Great Experiment" together. If that makes sense.
I like Will and Alice’s journey so far and how they’re grappling with having worked hard to establish a more sustainable long-term plan for their family, which is suddenly supplanted by something completely random and unearned - of course it’s quite right of Will to point out NOBODY in their new society really “deserves” to be where they are. I think the show should’ve tightened up their plot a bit for this season and narrowed in on them discussing the pros and cons and adapting to the changes of their new status. Weren’t they living in a one-room home in season one? Will and Alice are clearly not hapless people, but holy crap, they went through a BIG change! I think scenes like the Mondrichs following their own rules at home and Alice feeling comfortable enough to adapt her wardrobe (but loving on the jewels) could’ve been moved to season four. That might’ve given the season three plots a little more breathing room and incorporated the Mondrichs characters in a gradual and natural way. For example, could there have been a scene of Violet, Hyacinth, and Gregory at the Mondrichs’ house? The kids are playing together and perhaps the adults are alluding to NOT sleeping separately (Violet and Edmund definitely didn’t, right?). Hyacinth makes a rather tactless comment about how Alice continues to wear the old Lady Kent’s unfashionable wardrobe and gets scolded, but Alice is like “Hmmm, perhaps it is time for a change.”
Thank you for being cool about it. They’re getting so much hate for simply existing in the series and it’s getting annoying. You’re not going to love everything about a show and that’s OKAY.
Also, I remember from the books that Violet would push her sons to be gallant and dance with wallflowers because it was kind to make them feel included. So it seems in character that she'd make an effort to include a family who were newly come into money but struggling to navigate their new social rank. Especially since at least two of her sons and new son in law are friendly with Mr Mondrich.
This sub is getting unhinged
I keep seeing this word being thrown at anyone who says anything even slightly negative about the season. Is it truly deranged behavior to ask someone to fill in a plot point they missed? Do you really, honestly feel this post is a sign of a mental imbalance? 🧐 Idk I feel lumping an entire subreddit together as mentally ill for not having the same opinion as you is unhinged behavior but whatever 🤷♀️🙃🙄
But this isn’t a missed plot. We see John bonding with Will at the club and John doesn’t have any family or friends nearby he can invite to such an occasion. It is not a missed plot point at all.
The poster missed it. Which is why she is asking for clarification. That is not unhinged behavior.
There was more than one scene with John at Will’s club? They were clearly friends!
Some of the Mondrich plotline seemed random, but them attending Fran & John’s wedding made perfect sense to me. Benedict and Colin obviously have an established relationship with Will and the club and we’re shown pre-wedding scenes of John hanging out with them there too (which also provided some short but sweet moments for John himself). John is distant from the ton, both geographically and in the sense that he’s a reserved man, so it isn’t hard to believe the Mondrichs are among his closest connections - again, both geographically and figuratively! The Mondrichs and Benedict had some good stuff this season that could’ve been revised and edited down a bit, in my opinion. But I guess we got what we got!
The scenes with John at the club are where I feel like we got to know him best. He’s not just Francesca’s love interest, he’s funny and witty and genuinely enjoys the others company and vice versa.
I believe John had become friends with Will.
I'm so confused by these takes. How is a common family being thrust into society not screen worthy. Not to mention the already established connections Will has to the Duke and the Bridgertons.
Yeah, I have to wonder if part of it is that the Mondriches are friends with several of the Bridgerton men (and Simon). I also feel like including a newly minted society family and helping them learn how to navigate society in general seems like something the Bridgerton family (and lady Danbury) would make an effort to do.
Will is friends with John. The way ya'll complain about the Mondritches is very sus
their scenes are boring, s1 scenes were so much better
Why are they still in the series at all? How has their presence furthered the main storyline?
I am going to disagree with a lot of people about the Mondriches. I absolutely love that they're being brought into the Bridgerton fold more and more each year. They offer an outsiders perspective to those raised within the Ton. Love the idea of them being supportive friends to Benedict, Colin, and John, etc. I especially love the wife, whose name I am unfortunately blanking on at the moment. She felt like a fully formed, three-dimensional character from her first introduction in Season 1. She has almost always presented as this very strong, confident, and self-possessed woman, who has great insight to offer others. She advised Simon in Season 1, her husband in Season 3, and Colin in Season 3. Even her statement during episode 5 regarding how exposing LW would ruin LW family demonstrates the kind of person she is. As the seasons go on, the Bridgertons leave their (at times) toxic ways and friends behind and need good people to relate to and enjoy time with. The husband has also been pivotal in Simon's life in season 1, in an unfortunate (or maybe not) way in the Featheringtons lives, put his neck on the line to inform Colin in Season 2 (which led to Colin "saving" the Featheringtons), and was a good friend to B, C & J in Season 3. Was their specific story all that interesting to me this season? No, but they had to enter society to play the supporting roles for C, B, & J and LD honestly as well.
Cause they were invited.
Mondrich is S1 was besties with Simon,but after the actor left for "a bigger project" , mondrich has become good friends with Bridgerton's aswell, all the brothers hangout with Him,or in his club. Even in S1 ig Anthony was seen in Mondrich's club. Even John was hanging out with him before his wedding.
They were friends with John Sterling! Sir Mondriches was at the bachelor party and attended events with Sir Stulirling. Also he’s another Earl, it looks good to have a peer at your events.
The Mondriches are being integrated as family friends, and also I think as mentees of Danbury. We see Will’s connection with Colin and Benedict and they even nod to a connection of their kids getting to know Hyacinth and Gregory. Will’s character is meant to based on a real figure. And I think they don’t truly take up as much plot as people have been complaining about. I think it’s a nice side plot that’s not too taxing.❤️
Ok I have to disagree here. We’ve seen Will Mondritch interact with the Bridgertons in every season. Simon and Anthony in season 1, Colin in season 2, and Colin and Benedict this season. Will warned Colin about Jack’s scheme in season 2. And now that the Mondritches have joined the ton, it only makes sense they were invited to the wedding. Of all the criticism of this season, this is the weakest I’ve seen so far
I kind of see your point, but I actually enjoyed their storyline so I didn't even notice LOL
I thought it was weird at first but they're so hot that it offsets the randomness.
The last season also showed that the Mondriches are good friends with the Bridgerton brothers (Colin, Benedict).
I actually liked having them in the show and seeing things from a different perspective. To be told “do what you want” and thinking the men could in fact do whatever, to have him be pressured to sell his bar? Eye opening that it still affected men and there were still ‘rules’ for them too. I love girl power as much as the next person but it was quite refreshing to literally see a guy be told he cant do something, even when he had the resources and want to do it.
I feel like their outsider/nouveau riches storyline had potential, but the characters themselves are kinda bland. Like spice them uppp if they’re going to be onscreen as much as the main cast
Why was Simon and Daphne's disappearance not even addressed. They were literally not present to two Bridgerton weddings And even Edwina was mentioned in passing lol
Because they are friends of the Duke, who is married to Daphne who is Francesca’s sister. And, because the Mondriches are now members of the Ton and were recently given a blessing from the Queen. No one dares to snub a family that the Queen has publicly approved of. So…
Francesca’s husband became acquainted with Mondrich through Colin and Benedict. They shared a bro moment the last night at the club. Not super close but maybe that’s how they came to be invited I actually really enjoyed their story line even though it was a little disconnected. Their perspective and suddenly becoming part of society was interesting.
Friends of the family
I assumed they were there for John. Because John was at the closing of the Mondrich club and seemed to speak openly with Will. The Mondrich son gets along well with the Bridgerton children. Lady Danbury approves of them and they are close with her. Violet is close with Lady Danbury so stands to reason they are around each other often off screen.
He's not there for Fran's side. He's there for John's. S3 has shown him having drinks and hangouts a few times with him. John has no other available family and seems the type to not make friends easily so I can see him inviting his newest friend and wife to his wedding.
I believe it's his friendship with the Bridgerton boys. But also because he became friends with John as well.
We see Benedict, Colin, and John Stirling socializing intimately with Will Mondrich before John and Francesca wed. I think it’s likely that John invited Will and Alice.
The Mondriches have gone from pivotal to character growth, to pivotal for plot lines, to an absolute waste of fucking time; at this point, they can fuck all the way off and them being at this “small family wedding” was the last straw on my patience.
I do think not having Simon is a huge lost for what they had planned for them, that now it’s kinda awkward without that connection being present in the show. But I honestly do think they’re trying to set them up for a bigger plot now that they’re as involved in the ton as everyone else on the show. But again the connection is lost without Simon being present as that was really the only connections they had to the Bridgertons, but it is nice to see Benedict/Colin also guide them this season.
They're supposed to replace Daphne and Simon. It's extra harsh when Daphne is the only living member >!not mentioned in the speech!< while those two are friends of her husband's
If you're talking about John's speech at the wedding, he didn't mention Anthony either if I recall correctly. He just mentioned the Bridgerton who where in front of him, which kind of make sense to me. These kind of speeches are meant to be heard by the people they're about.
I thought he does mention him. It's still odd considering how close the whole family is presented as
Someone said in another thread that they may be setting up the Mondriches son (the newly titled one) as Hyacinth's love interest for a future season. Interesting theory. (I'm sure someone else mentioned it here by now but I didn't see it.)
It feels like they are trying to set up a Mondrich spin-off.
Why is no one asking why Lady Danbury stayed in that one scene when the Queen told everyone but the Bridgertons to leave?
Also, why did Lady Danbury stay behind when Queen Charlotte ordered everyone but Bridgertons out of the room?
Them at the bridal shower & penelopes sisters weren’t
omg thank you for asking this question. I wondered the same thing 😂
Because they have been good friends of the Bridgertons since before their introduction to the ton…
Their storyline is interesting but not enough for it to take as much prominence as it did out of this season.
He was drinking with John the night before the club closed. I assumed they were friends.
I mean per the drinking scenes it appears Mr.Mondrich and John are friends.
I mean we are shown John and Mondrich hanging out and talking through the season. And the Mondrich family is close to the elder Bridgerton boys plus Simon. We also see Hy and Greg playing with their kids. Clearly the families are close…
I literally fastforwarded every time they were on screen because the plot was such a random sidebar and had nothing to do with anything.
Daphne and her family weren’t invited, kanthony was on a ship, they had to fill the drawing room with people
I figured they were good family friends at that point
I like the Mondritches but it did seem odd - maybe Francesca’s husband invited them? I feel like Violet would invite them to something since other people are kind of sneering at them but the fact that it was not explained was very odd. Maybe need a non family witness and they knew the Mondritches would keep it low key and/or would be available?
John doesn’t have a lot of friends, but there’s multiple scenes with him hanging out with Will, Benedict, and Colin at Will’s bar as they close it, and for Colin’s bucks night. Consider that Will is one of John’s closest friends in the ton.
Don’t not recognize the extreme faults of the lazy writing and production levels of this season. It’s not fair to the show runners to have to see criticism of thier work. We fans should just shut up and accept that the fact, that out of nowhere, the mondriches who have no connection to Francesca and John would be at thier small intimate wedding.
Without spoilers, in the books Fenashseca’s story continues beyond what has been shown and I have heard is one of the most upsetting books
Why are the Mondriches still in the show? (No, I don’t buy the “showing class differences and upward social mobility and their son is Hyacinth’s boyfriend” arguments because they’re all pointless in a show that did not bring back stories of Sienna, Genevieve and Theo Sharpe and can’t get its pairings right.
Because both the season 3 love interest and the entire Bridgerton family are white. So they shoehorn in this side plot to maintain their promise of diversity.
They could’ve made Lord Cho a main character with his new fiancée because he is friends with Anthony and Colin. This isn’t promise of diversity as much as it is tokenism. We already have very strong POC/Black actors representation in the Queen, Lady Danbury, Marcus Anderson, Genevieve Delacroix ( a MUCH more interesting character than all of the Mondriches), John Stirling and more.
It didn’t make sense that they were there in place of Kilmartin’s parents (especially because he was an ONLY CHILD?!?! Idc how shy they are, like this plot absolutely didn’t make sense)
I just finished watching that episode and I had the exact same thought. Their whole story line was weirdly wedged in this season.
It was absurd
The writers keep trying to squeeze in the mondrichs even though their plot doesn’t make sense without simon
What’s the Mondriches role in the books??
They needed bodies to fill out the background. Why hire a few more extras when you got the Mondriches signed for the whole season? The budget must have been slashed with how few extra people were used to fill out the large gatherings. Made the ton feel empty compaired to the previous seasons where scenes were jam packed with people.
Because the writers have gone rogue and have no idea what they’re doing anymore and are just throwing the Mondriches everywhere they can for some stupid reason