That 1st round draft pick for a 30 year old goalie with one year left on their contact is pretty good on its own.
I know we didn’t free up that much cap but are people forgetting ullmark is gonna want more than 4-5 million next year. It’s not like he was going to sign the exact same contract
He faced basically the same number of high danger chances last season. He is significantly worse than Ullmark and Swayman. The Bruins may make him better but that is a silly risk to take for 3 million
Sens fan here, while Korpi was brutal last season, the team in front of him wasn’t good to say the least. Also, he got laser eye surgery this off season. And I honestly think that will help with cutting down the bad goals he allowed. He would make great saves in tight but let in muffins from far. Many were speculating he had vision issues.. so I honestly don’t think it’s that far fetched that he can bounce back.
Other Ottawa fan here. Never heard of this. Googling "[korpisalo laser eye surgery](https://www.google.com/search?q=korpisalo+laser+eye+surgrey&sca_esv=e2999e5afe90a665&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJJcb8NFDwcVOTHaTulVI-bBsn9Ew%3A1719499700179&ei=tHt9Zv3OCviY5OMPn4eUyA0&ved=0ahUKEwj9-MfGg_yGAxV4DHkGHZ8DBdkQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=korpisalo+laser+eye+surgrey&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiG2tvcnBpc2FsbyBsYXNlciBleWUgc3VyZ3JleTIHECMYsAIYJzIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjPsAFQ7qwBWO6sAXACeACQAQCYAVegAVeqAQExuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIDoAJzwgIOEAAYgAQYsAMYhgMYigXCAgsQABiABBiwAxiiBJgDAOIDBRIBMSBAiAYBkAYHkgcBM6AHvAU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)" also gave zero relevant results, so no.
He was right about Ottawa's defence being absolutely awful last season, though.
I don't think so. The Lasik talk stems from Dave Poulin alluding to Korpisalo possibly needing eye surgery at a post season event with season ticket holders. Don't think that was a comment made in jest, but I haven't heard anything about Korpi actually getting the surgery.
The defense wasn't good but you are ignoring that Korpi let in the first goal on the first 5 shots in 25 games, in other games he would let in a beach ball from the blue line after the Sens had just came back from down 2/3-0. The numbers don't lie, Korpi was the worst tender for low danger shots and his Saves above average are worse than goalies who played on the worst teams in the NHL. He averaged .886 Save % even after the Sens had Martin as the coach and were actually playing decent hockey away from the puck.
I agree on the risk bit, saying that they got the best they could with no extension in place, I still feel they should’ve stayed with the rotation for the year and deal him at the deadline.
This is the only problem. If they just left Korpisalo out of the entire deal it's a much better trade. But still, it's not a bad trade at all. People were just expecting to fill in the place of Bergeron and Krejci and that was never gonna happen by trading just Ullmark.
Chill out we got a veteran back up for 3 million a year and a 1st round pick. He won't be playing anywhere near as much as Ulmark probably more of 80-20 split instead of 50-5]0
I’d imagine it was part of the agreement for the pick, and it also give them another season to build bussi up and get him ready. I think he needs one more season and we can call him up as sways back up. Probably keep korp one season. Cough up the 4mil and trade him next season to a team that needs him for a later round draft pick or something. Won’t be a huge return but the 1st round pick makes up for it, to me at least.
Hope I’m wrong and this trade doesn’t completely suck. This coming from someone that was looking at the cap space as a win in an Ullmark trade given our needs
Realistic expectation were:
- waiting out teams until they outbid in what is now especially a very thin goalie market
- not taking back what is still a very bad goalie contact
- getting an actual 1st rounder because 25th in this draft is a 2nd rounder
- at least someone with some potential not kastelic who is replaceable in free agency with league minimum signings
- or if the returns are bad then ofc keep him
Idk stuff like that ultimately?
Yeesh
Sweeney should be roasted af for this
Flames got a first next year with no returning bad contact PLUS a reasonable defensive prospect for a goalie who is older and hasn't ever won the Vezina. Truly shocked the return for Ullmark isn't similar
Yes, Ullmark had a 16 team no trade clause. Markstrom had a full no movement clause. He had to give Calgary the go ahead to talk to literally any teams, otherwise they were totally hamstrung.
Pasta was a 25th overall pick... so you saying a 25th overall is a 2nd rounder is so untrue. It is still the first round and talent can come from deeper in the draft (Marchy, Krug undrafted)
Did you really think they were going to get a 1 or 2C for the guy? Even without his NMC it was never going to happen. Yeah a little better pick than 25 would've been great but it's about what is expected.
I was predicting a second rounder and a low ranking player so I think Sweeney over achieved
There is no market for goalies….especially when they have one year left
Korpisalo will come I. To the B’s system and play well in a platoon with Swayman.
Once he gets his confidence and stats up the Bs will flip him to a team needing a goalie
Sens fan here; this is what I was expecting. You guys have the luxury of not needing him as the #1 and can shelter him until he regains form and confidence under a better goalie coach. Good luck with the future yield he provides.
Yes, the Korposolo contract is what makes it pointless. Pick is nice but, 3 mill for a backup goalie over next 4 years I simply can't get behind the logic.
Beyond Bussi? Not really. DiPietro had his development path destroyed by Vancouver when they insisted on playing him four years too early, and Keyser may never be an NHL goalie. Reid Dyck is re-entering the draft, and the last guy is Phillip Svedeback, whom I know very little about and is never mentioned in any prospect rankings for the Bruins.
Bussi is the only one left with any real potential. We're hoping he's ready for NHL backup duties. 20-30 games should be enough to see what we have with the guy. Worst comes to worst... Our defense is better than any that Korpi has had in front of him for his entire career.
That said, I'd expect a buyout next summer if he can't rebound from the shitty year he just had in Ottawa.
Tell that to Jack Campbell. Or, how about Martin Jones? It happens more than you'd think. Sometimes a guy just doesn't play up to NHL standards and gets sent to the minors for a reset, commonly for goalies. Even 3M per year goalies.
Korpisalo is also a buyout candidate, a buyout which would never reach 2M against the cap, if they decide to go that route. Which is fairly likely.
I understand that “it happens” but if you seriously think the bruins are acquiring Korpisalo as dead cap for the next 4 seasons without giving him a chance first you’re just straight up wrong. Even Campbell and jones were there teams starters for at least an entire season before being sent down. Korpisalo will get a year as the backup and see if he’s cooked or not, he won’t instantly be behind Bussi
He holds the record for most saves made in a game at 85/88 when he had the best goalie performance of all time. Do you even consider yourself a hockey fan?
The best goalie performance of all time? We're not talking about Ben Scrivens here, we're talking about korpisalo. Also that game has an asterisk because it went to FIVE FREAKING OVERTIMES. And the Jackets still lost that game. And the series.
Getting shelled in a game where nobody on either team could score means nothing when you look at the rest of his stats. Seth Jones holds the record for most ice time ever by a skater because of that game, are you telling me that was the best defensive performance of all time? I watched that whole game. It wasn't. It was sloppy, nobody could connect on a pass, and most of the shots that made it through on both ends just hit the goalies in the crest.
It was a boring ass game, and if I wasn't a hockey fan, there's no way in hell I would've watched it, partially because that was the bubble year and nobody was in the building.
But to say korpisalo is worth more than a fifth round pick because of one anomalous game that went for 9 hours 4 years ago? That's insane. I think your definition of greatness is a bit skewed.
TL;DR: way to cherry pick a random stat there, bud. He's never won a playoff series and is barely a backup on 30/32 teams in this league.
Korpisalo is going to excel in Boston because it's Boston. And Ullmark will flounder in Ottawa because it's Ottawa. I think that we can agree on.
But not recognize the signicance in stopping 85 shots in one game is pretty fucked up.
LMFAO Korpi couldn't save beach balls this past season, also Ullmark played in Buffalo when they were the worst team in hockey and he still put up good numbers.
Sens fan coming in peace.
Free agent signing by the Sens. Maybe he can be moved since OTT retained 25% but last season he was abysmal.
Almost every game he let in 1-2 softies.
I believe he had laser eye surgery after the season so hopefully for you guys he has a bounce back year should you not flip him.
And a couple years later they drafted frederic very late in the first round. Its not nothing man, he was our backup goalie, yes he was WAY better than a backup goalie but were we gonna re sign this dude? We really went with swayman as our guy in the playoffs and u know it wasnt him that got us bounced from the playoffs, it was our lackluster offense
Technically it’s the B’s original first rounder, though? Maybe stop being so good, so the first round picks aren’t essentially second rounders? 🤔
Obviously I’m kidding (although I respect the Bruins and love the organization; they are my adopted American/2nd team) and in all seriousness, I certainly understand how Boston fans could view this as an underpay, as I thought for sure we were giving up Chychrun or Chabot to make this happen. (My text to my husband verbatim was “Fucking robbery, let’s goooo!).
I know it may not be a consolation at this moment, but we didn’t hate Kastelic, and if you keep him in your system, he may flourish. If you don’t, well there are worse players we could have flipped that would not provide decent trade value for whatever else is in the works for your team heading into the draft and free agency.
Getting a 1st rnd pick for a 30 year old goalie who is under contract for 1 year seems like a pretty good trade, considering you could lose him gor nothing next year
We got a 1st rounder and more cap space. You arent going to fleece everyone with every trade. Korpisalo makes me nervous but i trust goalie bob to coach him up. I think it’ll really depend on who we draft. There are some centers mocked around 25 that project to be solid NHLers, but we won’t know until they pick them
The problem I have is mostly around getting another bottom 6 forward and a goalie who was the 2nd worst in the league and costs $3 mil per year for years
If you hate the trade- blame Ullmark. He blocked the trade last season and called his shot. I know the response is “it’s his right”. Sure. Doesn’t change the fact that he fucked us.
Reasonable return honestly. Remember he veto’d two other trades before this one, Sweeneys hands were tied. And I’m sure he wanted that salary to go into free agency
I have no problem with this deal. We are back in the first round of the draft and made some additional cap space. I agree that we may flip Korposalo for an additional pick, but his cap is fairly low so he would be a cheap backup if not
Flames fan, you guys should’ve got a better forward, better pick or more salary retained.
I consider Markstrom to have less value then ullmark and we got a potential top 4 d
Trade is fine. We got draft capital, a solid backup at a solid cap hit.. the throw in center feels like a waste. Bottom 6 is already crowded and solid as is. Wouldve rathered chych and the 1st but the trade isn’t terrible
Why did we get a fucking goalie? We had two we really liked. What was the fucking point of this, other than the cap? I’ve never heard of the forward, but I also don’t know who plays for the Sens. Someone explain this.
Also don't get Korpisalo being included, but at 57, with bad knees and not being able to skate, I only scored 5 fewer goals than Kastelic did last season. So yeah...........great pickup 😒😖🤨
Nope. Not disgusted. Ullmark was going to walk after next season. Bruins got a first rounder for him instead of letting him go for nothing. Bruins probably saw that trade deadline goalie trades get less return than in the offseason. I’d look for them to trade that first rounder. Maybe Sweeney packages the first rounder and Korpi (and something else) for a bonafide center.
The offseason is just beginning and there’s a number of potential GM plays to make before camp.
It’s also worth noting how pissed off people were when Sweeney gave Ullmark his 4 year extension. Bruins have elite goalie coaching, maybe the best in the league. They also have a better def than Ottawa (and CBJ). IMO, Korpisalo could be a great backup…he will cost 2 million/ year less for the next 3 years than we paid Ullmark for the last three years….AND we got a first rounder(asset) plus a depth player(another asset).
IMO, way too many people are evaluating this deal all wrong
I think its too much money for Korpisalo. But honestly when we first signed Ullmark I thought both the money and term were too much, so sometimes first impressions are wrong. Hopefully thats the case here
No. What was your expectation? The list of potential teams he’d go to was essentially non existent. You don’t think Ottawa knew this? If you were expecting #7 overall for a goalie that got benched in the playoffs and has one year left…i want what you’re smoking.
Calculations show that the cost to take on a $3M contract is a first round pick. So the Bruins got the first rounder in exchange for taking the $3M off Ottawa's cap. The remainder of the trade is Kastelic for Ullmark.
I think just a second round pick, straight up, for Ullmark would have been better for the Bruins. A part of moving Ullmark was the cap savings. This trade clears about $1.1M, not the $4.2M I think we were expecting.
I think most agree that the worst part is the Korp $3M contract. if that was the price of the first round pick, then we should have done something else. cap over picks, especially when we are food at finding college prospects
Our main goal was to get cap space back for FA’s or get some futures and we failed miserably. The first is pretty much to take an overpaid backup, so we traded Ullmark for a 4th line duster and 1.1 mil in cap space…. We should have just traded him for a 2nd so we could have saved some money. Big L for Sweeney and this L could turn into a 6 year buyout smh…
Yeah it’s a disgusting return we basically gave him away for free, the 25th pick is barely enough compensation for us taking Korpisalos garbage contract, 75% of it anyway
A reminder that Pasternak was picked 25th overall in 2019. This was a good deal. You can get a very good player with that pick and have a capable back up goalie. We had a good run with the tandem of Swayman and Ullmark, but with a year left, the cap, and knowing Ullmark will want more money, this was a pretty good move.
Let's be honest here, these people making these decisions for the Bruins are the same people who thought signing Lucic was a good idea. Will be an interesting summer, hopefully someone makes some good moves or the Bruins might have a rough season.
Getting Korpisalo was weird, but I was happy about getting a first. It’s tough to get a big haul for a guy with one year left and seems to have indicated that he probably won’t be negotiating an extension right away (according to 32 Thoughts). I’m fine with it, I didn’t have massive expectations.
Maybe this is blind optimism but IMO there's gotta be more going on here. I'll be disgusted if this trade stays as-is but I can't see this being the end game. Despite a bunch of fumbles I do give Sweeney more credit than that... but damn this SUCKS if this is it. Assuming, hoping, we can flip Korpisalo
Oh 100% and I’m not disgusted with losing Ullmark because that was inevitable… I’m disgusted with the fact that we got two absolute no names in exchange for an elite goalie. 25th in the first round is aight but I was hopeful that we’d get someone (who’s already in the league) that’s capable of putting up numbers for us.
Oh well. I guess we’ll just have to wait and pray that Sweeney puts that cap space to good use on the front end.
Yes the League is changing. More and more teams have 2 good goalies and one good and one ok back up. As a team we should've recognized this. Is he expensive yes. But he is 100% worth the money. Having 2 great goalies has been a backbone of the team for the past 2 years and made us a much stronger team.
PENS fan jumping in to see what yinz all were thinking… Jarry is going up for grabs as well. But I’m more sad seeing Linus & Jeremy being split up. What a duo. Won’t see a pair like them again in quite awhile imo.
Can someone explain the logic beyond how the Senators were in a better position. I mean four years for the leagues worst goalie? When the main aspect was to clear cap space for a big Swayman deal and have room to sign needed talent. Now it looks worse in the long run cap space wise. It seems they were better off not trading Ulmark at this point. I guess they could buy him out for 1-2 mil cap hit for 8 years. I dont it being a hard cap league with a low cap the money is worth more. The 25th pick is good but idk if it was worth by the sounds of it maybe the worst goalie in the league for 4 years with a 10 team no trade. Also our third goalie could get claimed on waivers after just signing a new contract yesterday if we try to send him down.
you could have just stopped at the first round pick and let the sens deal with their own goaltending mess; but they new Sweeney had to make a move and there weren't other options he gets killed on deals it seems every time he makes one he has to include something or take on salary. So they think that both Bussi and Dipeitro arent nhl caliber backups ?
I am just seeing this question, so I apologize if I'm beating the dead horse a little more.
Giving up a Vezina winning goalie for a backup whose numbers suck and has been passed around the league like a joint. A bottom 6 center because the Bruins don't have enough of those already. The 25th pick of the draft that will end up getting another DeBust or AHL lifer for it. Unless the Bruins trade the backup and the pick for a decent player, this trade sucks a bag of dicks.
Everyone points to Ullmark's age. Well, Tim Thomas was 37 when we won the Cup. I have a feeling this trade will bite us in the ass with a Sens team who, for whatever reason, beat the Bruins.
Dudes a Vezina winner still arguably at his peak. This team desperately needs offense, and they do...this? A forward who won't see the light of day and statistically the worst goaltender in the league last season?
I mean, Neely & co. have a history of ass decisions but this has to be pretty high up there. Would have been better off flipping him at the deadline if this was going to be the return.
I agree, it’s a shitty deal.
Basically got rid of Ullmark to undo the Bertuzzi trade and d we have to pay korpisalo (who sucks ass) for the privilege.
It’s not the worst trade ever but I’d rather keep Ullmark for the year and get nothing.
Well at least cam gets to have his buddy as a gm still instead of firing him 5 or 6 years ago like they should have.
And isn't the REAL cup the friends we should have shit canned along the way?
Not sure what the realistic expectation was? If he was signed longer maybe but he can walk next year.
That 1st round draft pick for a 30 year old goalie with one year left on their contact is pretty good on its own. I know we didn’t free up that much cap but are people forgetting ullmark is gonna want more than 4-5 million next year. It’s not like he was going to sign the exact same contract
The realistic expectation was to not take on statistically the worst goalie in hockey for 3 mil per. I’d imagine.
He won’t be the worst goalie in the Bruins system and culture.
He faced basically the same number of high danger chances last season. He is significantly worse than Ullmark and Swayman. The Bruins may make him better but that is a silly risk to take for 3 million
Sens fan here, while Korpi was brutal last season, the team in front of him wasn’t good to say the least. Also, he got laser eye surgery this off season. And I honestly think that will help with cutting down the bad goals he allowed. He would make great saves in tight but let in muffins from far. Many were speculating he had vision issues.. so I honestly don’t think it’s that far fetched that he can bounce back.
He didn’t actually get laser eye surgery did he
They just call it “laser upper body surgery” in the playoffs that’s why it’s a bit confusing
Other Ottawa fan here. Never heard of this. Googling "[korpisalo laser eye surgery](https://www.google.com/search?q=korpisalo+laser+eye+surgrey&sca_esv=e2999e5afe90a665&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJJcb8NFDwcVOTHaTulVI-bBsn9Ew%3A1719499700179&ei=tHt9Zv3OCviY5OMPn4eUyA0&ved=0ahUKEwj9-MfGg_yGAxV4DHkGHZ8DBdkQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=korpisalo+laser+eye+surgrey&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiG2tvcnBpc2FsbyBsYXNlciBleWUgc3VyZ3JleTIHECMYsAIYJzIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjPsAFQ7qwBWO6sAXACeACQAQCYAVegAVeqAQExuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIDoAJzwgIOEAAYgAQYsAMYhgMYigXCAgsQABiABBiwAxiiBJgDAOIDBRIBMSBAiAYBkAYHkgcBM6AHvAU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)" also gave zero relevant results, so no. He was right about Ottawa's defence being absolutely awful last season, though.
I don't think so. The Lasik talk stems from Dave Poulin alluding to Korpisalo possibly needing eye surgery at a post season event with season ticket holders. Don't think that was a comment made in jest, but I haven't heard anything about Korpi actually getting the surgery.
The defense wasn't good but you are ignoring that Korpi let in the first goal on the first 5 shots in 25 games, in other games he would let in a beach ball from the blue line after the Sens had just came back from down 2/3-0. The numbers don't lie, Korpi was the worst tender for low danger shots and his Saves above average are worse than goalies who played on the worst teams in the NHL. He averaged .886 Save % even after the Sens had Martin as the coach and were actually playing decent hockey away from the puck.
I agree on the risk bit, saying that they got the best they could with no extension in place, I still feel they should’ve stayed with the rotation for the year and deal him at the deadline.
Ullmsrk really improved in the Bruins system and I'm hoping Korpisalo will as well.
Exactly
I just can’t understand why we would take back a goalie with 4 years left on his contract. Brutal unless we can get someone to take Korpisalo
This is the only problem. If they just left Korpisalo out of the entire deal it's a much better trade. But still, it's not a bad trade at all. People were just expecting to fill in the place of Bergeron and Krejci and that was never gonna happen by trading just Ullmark.
Ottawa is paying 25% of his salary, and we have plenty of cap space to sign 2-3 impact players. It's a pretty good looking free agent class
Chill out we got a veteran back up for 3 million a year and a 1st round pick. He won't be playing anywhere near as much as Ulmark probably more of 80-20 split instead of 50-5]0
Exactly - I knew we were going to bring back an impact player for him but was at least expecting to clear his cap hit.
If Korpisalo isn't in the trade, the Bruins wouldn't have gotten the first round pick.
I’d imagine it was part of the agreement for the pick, and it also give them another season to build bussi up and get him ready. I think he needs one more season and we can call him up as sways back up. Probably keep korp one season. Cough up the 4mil and trade him next season to a team that needs him for a later round draft pick or something. Won’t be a huge return but the 1st round pick makes up for it, to me at least.
Hope I’m wrong and this trade doesn’t completely suck. This coming from someone that was looking at the cap space as a win in an Ullmark trade given our needs
Realistic expectation were: - waiting out teams until they outbid in what is now especially a very thin goalie market - not taking back what is still a very bad goalie contact - getting an actual 1st rounder because 25th in this draft is a 2nd rounder - at least someone with some potential not kastelic who is replaceable in free agency with league minimum signings - or if the returns are bad then ofc keep him Idk stuff like that ultimately? Yeesh Sweeney should be roasted af for this
Flames got a first next year with no returning bad contact PLUS a reasonable defensive prospect for a goalie who is older and hasn't ever won the Vezina. Truly shocked the return for Ullmark isn't similar
With an extra year of term.
They were working around a NMC for half the teams and the remainder of the teams all have decent goalies. The options are not the same
Markstrom had a FULL NMC? Doesn't that make it a harder position for Calgary?
No, Ullmark did. With 16 teams. Including some that Boston asked him about and got denied
Yes, Ullmark had a 16 team no trade clause. Markstrom had a full no movement clause. He had to give Calgary the go ahead to talk to literally any teams, otherwise they were totally hamstrung.
So did Markstrom.
True ullmark probably wanted to be guaranteed to be the #1
Pasta was a 25th overall pick... so you saying a 25th overall is a 2nd rounder is so untrue. It is still the first round and talent can come from deeper in the draft (Marchy, Krug undrafted)
Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshun were 13th,14th and 15th. Pastrnak at 25the and Bergeron at 46th were flukes.
A first round pick is a great return. The cap space alone makes it worth it.
Did you really think they were going to get a 1 or 2C for the guy? Even without his NMC it was never going to happen. Yeah a little better pick than 25 would've been great but it's about what is expected.
I was predicting a second rounder and a low ranking player so I think Sweeney over achieved There is no market for goalies….especially when they have one year left Korpisalo will come I. To the B’s system and play well in a platoon with Swayman. Once he gets his confidence and stats up the Bs will flip him to a team needing a goalie
I had a 2nd this yr and a 3rd next. This one moves the ball a yard or two.
Sens fan here; this is what I was expecting. You guys have the luxury of not needing him as the #1 and can shelter him until he regains form and confidence under a better goalie coach. Good luck with the future yield he provides.
Yes, the Korposolo contract is what makes it pointless. Pick is nice but, 3 mill for a backup goalie over next 4 years I simply can't get behind the logic.
There flipping him
I sure hope so
To the Leafs?
no point, they don't have another tuukka rask waiting in the wings that they want to give away
Is he worth anything? I feel like he's a bum and I don't understand why we got him at all
There’s a market for Korpisalo?
Yes for a backup
They absolutely are. Wouldn’t be surprised to see another percentage of salary retained but he’s going somewhere else
Hard to flip a shitty asset
Technically only $2m but flip him
Technically $2m? They retained 25% of 4mil makes it 3 million
Dont be using your pesky facts and logic to destroy my mistake.
Lol I was hoping you were right
More cap space...got the 1st rounder back Now.flip the goalie to LA for a 2nd rounder
Sens fan here, he’s worth maybe a 5th
Not even worth that at his peak in Columbus. No, he's gonna play in Providence. He's insurance so they don't have to waive Bussi after training camp.
Isn’t there a solid line up of young goalies in the Bruins farm teams?
Beyond Bussi? Not really. DiPietro had his development path destroyed by Vancouver when they insisted on playing him four years too early, and Keyser may never be an NHL goalie. Reid Dyck is re-entering the draft, and the last guy is Phillip Svedeback, whom I know very little about and is never mentioned in any prospect rankings for the Bruins. Bussi is the only one left with any real potential. We're hoping he's ready for NHL backup duties. 20-30 games should be enough to see what we have with the guy. Worst comes to worst... Our defense is better than any that Korpi has had in front of him for his entire career. That said, I'd expect a buyout next summer if he can't rebound from the shitty year he just had in Ottawa.
He’s gonna start the year as the backup. You don’t pay 3 million a year to a ahl goalie.
Tell that to Jack Campbell. Or, how about Martin Jones? It happens more than you'd think. Sometimes a guy just doesn't play up to NHL standards and gets sent to the minors for a reset, commonly for goalies. Even 3M per year goalies. Korpisalo is also a buyout candidate, a buyout which would never reach 2M against the cap, if they decide to go that route. Which is fairly likely.
I understand that “it happens” but if you seriously think the bruins are acquiring Korpisalo as dead cap for the next 4 seasons without giving him a chance first you’re just straight up wrong. Even Campbell and jones were there teams starters for at least an entire season before being sent down. Korpisalo will get a year as the backup and see if he’s cooked or not, he won’t instantly be behind Bussi
He holds the record for most saves made in a game at 85/88 when he had the best goalie performance of all time. Do you even consider yourself a hockey fan?
The best goalie performance of all time? We're not talking about Ben Scrivens here, we're talking about korpisalo. Also that game has an asterisk because it went to FIVE FREAKING OVERTIMES. And the Jackets still lost that game. And the series. Getting shelled in a game where nobody on either team could score means nothing when you look at the rest of his stats. Seth Jones holds the record for most ice time ever by a skater because of that game, are you telling me that was the best defensive performance of all time? I watched that whole game. It wasn't. It was sloppy, nobody could connect on a pass, and most of the shots that made it through on both ends just hit the goalies in the crest. It was a boring ass game, and if I wasn't a hockey fan, there's no way in hell I would've watched it, partially because that was the bubble year and nobody was in the building. But to say korpisalo is worth more than a fifth round pick because of one anomalous game that went for 9 hours 4 years ago? That's insane. I think your definition of greatness is a bit skewed. TL;DR: way to cherry pick a random stat there, bud. He's never won a playoff series and is barely a backup on 30/32 teams in this league.
Korpisalo is going to excel in Boston because it's Boston. And Ullmark will flounder in Ottawa because it's Ottawa. I think that we can agree on. But not recognize the signicance in stopping 85 shots in one game is pretty fucked up.
LMFAO Korpi couldn't save beach balls this past season, also Ullmark played in Buffalo when they were the worst team in hockey and he still put up good numbers.
Didn't LA send him to OTT in the first place? Don't think they'll be taking him back
He left LA as FA last year
Sens fan coming in peace. Free agent signing by the Sens. Maybe he can be moved since OTT retained 25% but last season he was abysmal. Almost every game he let in 1-2 softies. I believe he had laser eye surgery after the season so hopefully for you guys he has a bounce back year should you not flip him.
LA’s GM would be fired if they did that. This isn’t NHL 24
A first rounder is good no?
25th is shit!!!!
Wasn't pasta picked 25th?
The draft is a crapshoot no matter the pick. Just less of a crapshoot before 10.
THE BRUINS LAST TIME THEY PICKED 25TH THEY DRAFTED MR PASTA Edit: this is not an angry reply, capitalization for emphasis
Even a blind squirrel stumbles across a nut every so often
And a couple years later they drafted frederic very late in the first round. Its not nothing man, he was our backup goalie, yes he was WAY better than a backup goalie but were we gonna re sign this dude? We really went with swayman as our guy in the playoffs and u know it wasnt him that got us bounced from the playoffs, it was our lackluster offense
Technically it’s the B’s original first rounder, though? Maybe stop being so good, so the first round picks aren’t essentially second rounders? 🤔 Obviously I’m kidding (although I respect the Bruins and love the organization; they are my adopted American/2nd team) and in all seriousness, I certainly understand how Boston fans could view this as an underpay, as I thought for sure we were giving up Chychrun or Chabot to make this happen. (My text to my husband verbatim was “Fucking robbery, let’s goooo!). I know it may not be a consolation at this moment, but we didn’t hate Kastelic, and if you keep him in your system, he may flourish. If you don’t, well there are worse players we could have flipped that would not provide decent trade value for whatever else is in the works for your team heading into the draft and free agency.
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2 million really after we bury Kalestic in the minors
If thats the plan then why take him ? Bruins have a Vezina winner being dealt surely this wasnt a deal breaker
Yeahhhh it’s a shitty trade, we must have our eyes on someone going late in the 1st. Still don’t like Don as a GM
Or flip the 1 for a center
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25th overall pick**
Oops lol
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Getting a 1st rnd pick for a 30 year old goalie who is under contract for 1 year seems like a pretty good trade, considering you could lose him gor nothing next year
We got a 1st rounder and more cap space. You arent going to fleece everyone with every trade. Korpisalo makes me nervous but i trust goalie bob to coach him up. I think it’ll really depend on who we draft. There are some centers mocked around 25 that project to be solid NHLers, but we won’t know until they pick them
The problem I have is mostly around getting another bottom 6 forward and a goalie who was the 2nd worst in the league and costs $3 mil per year for years
What were you expecting?
To just get the first for Ullmark honestly. It's a late pick and after Markstrom I thought that would be a fair deal
If you hate the trade- blame Ullmark. He blocked the trade last season and called his shot. I know the response is “it’s his right”. Sure. Doesn’t change the fact that he fucked us.
His contract is almost up, sens were essentially just trading for 1 year of ullmark.
Reasonable return honestly. Remember he veto’d two other trades before this one, Sweeneys hands were tied. And I’m sure he wanted that salary to go into free agency
He didn’t clear up a lot of salary tho
I have no problem with this deal. We are back in the first round of the draft and made some additional cap space. I agree that we may flip Korposalo for an additional pick, but his cap is fairly low so he would be a cheap backup if not
Flames fan, you guys should’ve got a better forward, better pick or more salary retained. I consider Markstrom to have less value then ullmark and we got a potential top 4 d
Trade is fine. We got draft capital, a solid backup at a solid cap hit.. the throw in center feels like a waste. Bottom 6 is already crowded and solid as is. Wouldve rathered chych and the 1st but the trade isn’t terrible
Why did we get a fucking goalie? We had two we really liked. What was the fucking point of this, other than the cap? I’ve never heard of the forward, but I also don’t know who plays for the Sens. Someone explain this.
Also don't get Korpisalo being included, but at 57, with bad knees and not being able to skate, I only scored 5 fewer goals than Kastelic did last season. So yeah...........great pickup 😒😖🤨
Nope. Not disgusted. Ullmark was going to walk after next season. Bruins got a first rounder for him instead of letting him go for nothing. Bruins probably saw that trade deadline goalie trades get less return than in the offseason. I’d look for them to trade that first rounder. Maybe Sweeney packages the first rounder and Korpi (and something else) for a bonafide center. The offseason is just beginning and there’s a number of potential GM plays to make before camp. It’s also worth noting how pissed off people were when Sweeney gave Ullmark his 4 year extension. Bruins have elite goalie coaching, maybe the best in the league. They also have a better def than Ottawa (and CBJ). IMO, Korpisalo could be a great backup…he will cost 2 million/ year less for the next 3 years than we paid Ullmark for the last three years….AND we got a first rounder(asset) plus a depth player(another asset). IMO, way too many people are evaluating this deal all wrong
I reserve the right on making any comment until after the trade deadline next season and where they are in the standings …
Just let Bob Essensa cast his spell on him and flip him at the deadline for a 2.
I imagine once Swayman is resigned they will look to move Korpisalo. $3 mil is an expensive backup.
I think its too much money for Korpisalo. But honestly when we first signed Ullmark I thought both the money and term were too much, so sometimes first impressions are wrong. Hopefully thats the case here
Yes. The Ullmark trade was inevitable but trading him for Korpisalo???? Not sure what was going on in Sweeney’s empty skull
Korpi will be as good as Ullmark on the Bruins- good backup. Locked up an cheap. Plus a first. Not bad.
No. What was your expectation? The list of potential teams he’d go to was essentially non existent. You don’t think Ottawa knew this? If you were expecting #7 overall for a goalie that got benched in the playoffs and has one year left…i want what you’re smoking.
Going into a contract year - we don’t need 2 goalies of that level. Get a forward, a decent pick and a solid backup. What were you expecting?
Calculations show that the cost to take on a $3M contract is a first round pick. So the Bruins got the first rounder in exchange for taking the $3M off Ottawa's cap. The remainder of the trade is Kastelic for Ullmark. I think just a second round pick, straight up, for Ullmark would have been better for the Bruins. A part of moving Ullmark was the cap savings. This trade clears about $1.1M, not the $4.2M I think we were expecting.
I think most agree that the worst part is the Korp $3M contract. if that was the price of the first round pick, then we should have done something else. cap over picks, especially when we are food at finding college prospects
if you know hockey, you know it’s a great trade for boston
This fan base thinks we should’ve got Conor Mcdavid for ullmark and anything less than that was a miss.
Didn’t know we were rebuilding like this
Bummer that the rumors weren’t around me as and Carolina. Maybe these are pieces moving towards Ellias lindholm?
I’m hoping the panthers can’t afford to keep Reinhart in the off season when he becomes a UFA and we snag him
Not opposed to him but he kinda fills the same role as pasta. Not really a dominant center and tends to play more on the wing especially on the PP
I was ready to give him away for like a 3rd or 4th, so I'm very content with this return.
Sweeney had pocket aces Folded Dropped 100k worth of chips on the ground
At first yes , but this is only the first shot in a long off-season, I will reserve judgement until I see the other moves going.
We all know this was a trade that needed to happen at the deadline this past season, now we get the junior varsity trade instead of a real trade, smh
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Yes.
That's the final installment for Big Z , your debt is now paid in full , tks 😘
I think their hands were tied because ulmark didn’t agree to sign an extension
They're going to take the 1st rounder and something else to get that disgruntled kid from Winnipeg.
Which disgruntled kid?
Rutger McGroarty
Oh yah..he's not even on the team I forget about him. Strange being disgruntled without playing a single game.
Either way he doesn't want to sign with Winnipeg and the way he's played at Michigan he looks better than any young players we have.
Yah he looked nice in the WJC
Absolutely disgusted.
It was a no-win situation...the best part of that was the 1st round pick.
The only thing good about the deal is that they gave nothing else up beyond Linus. That C they got is a joke. Hopefully the pick turns into something.
As a leafs fan I’m annoyed. I just know Kastelic is going to be a template annoying bruin
Ugh! Lemme guess who the mastermind idiot was behind this deal...
It's the failure I expected. Millions squandered, no first line center. 🙄
Our main goal was to get cap space back for FA’s or get some futures and we failed miserably. The first is pretty much to take an overpaid backup, so we traded Ullmark for a 4th line duster and 1.1 mil in cap space…. We should have just traded him for a 2nd so we could have saved some money. Big L for Sweeney and this L could turn into a 6 year buyout smh…
Korpisalo's a BUM
Yeah it’s a disgusting return we basically gave him away for free, the 25th pick is barely enough compensation for us taking Korpisalos garbage contract, 75% of it anyway
A reminder that Pasternak was picked 25th overall in 2019. This was a good deal. You can get a very good player with that pick and have a capable back up goalie. We had a good run with the tandem of Swayman and Ullmark, but with a year left, the cap, and knowing Ullmark will want more money, this was a pretty good move.
Let's be honest here, these people making these decisions for the Bruins are the same people who thought signing Lucic was a good idea. Will be an interesting summer, hopefully someone makes some good moves or the Bruins might have a rough season.
So should we expect a tandem again or is sway going full time with rest ? They're still going to hug bet
Getting Korpisalo was weird, but I was happy about getting a first. It’s tough to get a big haul for a guy with one year left and seems to have indicated that he probably won’t be negotiating an extension right away (according to 32 Thoughts). I’m fine with it, I didn’t have massive expectations.
Maybe this is blind optimism but IMO there's gotta be more going on here. I'll be disgusted if this trade stays as-is but I can't see this being the end game. Despite a bunch of fumbles I do give Sweeney more credit than that... but damn this SUCKS if this is it. Assuming, hoping, we can flip Korpisalo
its almost impossible to keep two really good goalies for multiple years. They are too much of a commodity
Oh 100% and I’m not disgusted with losing Ullmark because that was inevitable… I’m disgusted with the fact that we got two absolute no names in exchange for an elite goalie. 25th in the first round is aight but I was hopeful that we’d get someone (who’s already in the league) that’s capable of putting up numbers for us. Oh well. I guess we’ll just have to wait and pray that Sweeney puts that cap space to good use on the front end.
Yes
fucking stupid i cheer for the SENS so this pissed me off.
Umm just wondering but why are you pissed? lol. You just got an elite goaltender while we got two no-names and a sketchy pick.
Doesn't make much sense to me, hopefully they buyout Korpisalo and keep their two Ahl guys
Makes the return for Markstrom look pretty good.
i’ll miss the bear hug ☹️
Sweeney can’t draft. Hopefully he flips the pick and maybe a prospect for a proven center or defenseman.
Yes the League is changing. More and more teams have 2 good goalies and one good and one ok back up. As a team we should've recognized this. Is he expensive yes. But he is 100% worth the money. Having 2 great goalies has been a backbone of the team for the past 2 years and made us a much stronger team.
PENS fan jumping in to see what yinz all were thinking… Jarry is going up for grabs as well. But I’m more sad seeing Linus & Jeremy being split up. What a duo. Won’t see a pair like them again in quite awhile imo.
Can someone explain the logic beyond how the Senators were in a better position. I mean four years for the leagues worst goalie? When the main aspect was to clear cap space for a big Swayman deal and have room to sign needed talent. Now it looks worse in the long run cap space wise. It seems they were better off not trading Ulmark at this point. I guess they could buy him out for 1-2 mil cap hit for 8 years. I dont it being a hard cap league with a low cap the money is worth more. The 25th pick is good but idk if it was worth by the sounds of it maybe the worst goalie in the league for 4 years with a 10 team no trade. Also our third goalie could get claimed on waivers after just signing a new contract yesterday if we try to send him down.
you could have just stopped at the first round pick and let the sens deal with their own goaltending mess; but they new Sweeney had to make a move and there weren't other options he gets killed on deals it seems every time he makes one he has to include something or take on salary. So they think that both Bussi and Dipeitro arent nhl caliber backups ?
In step Bussi
Korpisalo will not be on the bruins roster to start the season
Social media was a huge mistake
How could they do this to me. And during pride month.
It’s more than Wpg was offered for Hellybuck last summer…. Allegedly
I am, Ottawa just got *way* better.
I am just seeing this question, so I apologize if I'm beating the dead horse a little more. Giving up a Vezina winning goalie for a backup whose numbers suck and has been passed around the league like a joint. A bottom 6 center because the Bruins don't have enough of those already. The 25th pick of the draft that will end up getting another DeBust or AHL lifer for it. Unless the Bruins trade the backup and the pick for a decent player, this trade sucks a bag of dicks. Everyone points to Ullmark's age. Well, Tim Thomas was 37 when we won the Cup. I have a feeling this trade will bite us in the ass with a Sens team who, for whatever reason, beat the Bruins.
No. Because I live in the real world.
Dudes a Vezina winner still arguably at his peak. This team desperately needs offense, and they do...this? A forward who won't see the light of day and statistically the worst goaltender in the league last season? I mean, Neely & co. have a history of ass decisions but this has to be pretty high up there. Would have been better off flipping him at the deadline if this was going to be the return.
Nope. They can’t keep retaining both tenders when they can’t score, can’t get out of their own end and other issues.
This trade did absolutely nothing to address those issues. It didn't even free up much cap space.
True
I agree, it’s a shitty deal. Basically got rid of Ullmark to undo the Bertuzzi trade and d we have to pay korpisalo (who sucks ass) for the privilege. It’s not the worst trade ever but I’d rather keep Ullmark for the year and get nothing.
Vezina trophy winner for zero….are you kidding me…fire Sweeney
Well at least cam gets to have his buddy as a gm still instead of firing him 5 or 6 years ago like they should have. And isn't the REAL cup the friends we should have shit canned along the way?
Cam is equally culpable and maybe even primarily responsible for some of our bad moves, I fear
I've been sitting here getting angrier by the second, see.s like a horrid trade
Puzzling trade since Korpisalo was one of the worst nhl goalies last year. Based on that report who would want him?
Yes absolutely
If you are t then you’re not a bruins fan simple as that
Let’s just start at the top. Get rid of Neely and Sweeney first.
The same first, Korpisalo without salary retention and Shane Pinto would have been a better return.