it does look like the gun was messed with..
https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/source-new-evidence-about-gun-led-to-dropping-of-charges-against-baldwin/article_e94b58f8-8698-5a76-9bb8-79e592d6a767.html
I honestly don't know what to believe on this anymore but i do believe he'd try to "act" his way out of a felony for sure.
This article has no pictures or evidence the gun was messed with and the prosecution didnât site that as the reason they dropped the charges. It looks more like baldwinâs layers successfully got the prosecutor kicked off the case and a âfriendlierâ prosecutor was installed who did Baldwin a favor.
Well I don't know about all that.
I do know that the prosecutor that brought the manslaughter charge was a political hack (literally her last job) so I suspect she's screwed it up more like politicians do most things. Then quit when she couldn't save it, again typical for politicians.
city news has it too but isn't specific on the gun defect(s)
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/04/21/manslaughter-charge-against-alec-baldwin-will-be-dismissed/
I also wouldn't be surprised if the FBI crime lab screwed up again considering they destroyed the gun, again, prosecutors hate that.
This whole b.s. scenario was never taken as seriously as it should have been, from long before the shooting to still today.
They let me add my 365 spectre comp no problem, in fact all variants of my 365 are just listed as 365. The 320 will go in as 320. The SSE issue they had was with the AR pistol platform, not that it was single shot. The CA320 should be fine, they just donât want you carrying essentially a shoulderable weapon
When was your permit issued? There was one guy a month back that reported that the department was now refusing to add P365/P320s to permits since they are so modular. For reference, I had no issue with mine but that was last year.
This has always been a SIG issue and theyâve recalled the P365, M320 due to drop fire issues and they had to correct the design on the 226 and 229 so that if you lowered the hammer and dropped it it wouldnât go off (which it still does). The issue with the P320 is that sumbitch just goes off for no reason. I get there are a LOT of Sig Fanboys but just because itâs a new addition to the roster doesnât make it a great gun
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/04/sig-sauer-p320-upgrade-safety/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/04/11/sig-sauer-p320-fires-on-own/
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/03/wounded-officers-sue-sig-sauer-say-gun-goes-off-itself.html
Has anybody been able to replicate the gun firing on its own without pulling the trigger after the drop safety issue fix? Seems like a lot of claims of p320âs firing on their own without anybody being able to replicate it.
Not that Iâve seen. Thereâs some 10-20 police officers involved in the lawsuits claiming it did but if theyâve been able to recreate said issue nothings been posted or leaked. There was one redditor who was shooting a competition with a p320 variant and it went off after he holstered and raised his hands, no videos of it happening only some pictures. As you can imagine the comments range from that the gun went off on its on, the cheap OWB holster he was using was the issue, or his shirt was loose and folding over the holster there by pulling the trigger.
Ian with Forgotten Weapons did a video about the p320 that I linked in a response to the OP.
Basically if you dropped it at just the right very specific angle with just the right amount of force, it would go off. Even if you didnât stay in the loop and didnât get the recall service, itâs insanely unlikely to happen. This was only affecting batches from many years ago as I understand it
IIRC thereâs enuf inertia in the trigger itself to effectively pull the trigger on some examples of the gun if dropped backstrap side down at the right angle.
Has anybody actually shot their own leg with a p320 âgoing off on its own?â If so, letâs rename Glock leg to Sig leg. If not, Glock still holds the record for most legs shot âgoing off on their own.â
Last one I saw was this one
P1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjo62vSYZk&pp=ygURZ3VuZ2hpcyBraGFuIHAzMjA%3D
P2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaSb\_cbMyj8&pp=ygURZ3VuZ2hpcyBraGFuIHAzMjA%3D
I'm not saying I don't believe him but is it possible that this was possible operator error? I say this because it happened while at a competition shooting course
Yea, possible. It's just pretty nuts how many NDs or operator errors when it comes to the 320. I really like the modular concept, in fact I own a 365, but I'm holding off on a 320 for a few years until all this gets sorted out.
Go back 5-10 years and you'll find lots of reports of NDs with Glocks. It's what happens when a new firearm that enters mainstream, particularly with police, who are generally not well trained yet handle/holster/unholster their service gun every day.
The P320 had a specific issue where when dropped on the back of the slide at the specific angle it could fire, and Sig did make changes.
Not sure what you consider overly sensitive. I can tell you it's lighter but crisper than my XD9.
I think someone here posted and said the pull was 3-4 lbs depending on where on the flat trigger you pulled.
Hmmm, wonder how newly adoption of the p320 could trigger NDs. Glock, I can understand, it's not the first striker fired semi auto, but being that the operation is different, with the scissor trigger safety and lack of a hammer, I could see how.
Ian on Forgotten Weapons actually did a video on this: [LINK](https://youtu.be/QusWrho19zE)
Things like people wrapped it in a cloth and put it in their bag. I know in Canada the person was using a modified P226 holster.
Basically, probably a lot of Frequency Bias, a real issue happened at the begining so any issues since are in the spotlight.
The drop safety issue was a real issue, but then any NDs involving the P320 got blamed on the design so the drop safety issue turned into "fires without pulling the trigger" or "Fires out of Battery."
I'm kinda skeptical about this one because competitive shooters are more likely to film themselves shooting. No other competitive shooter has had one fail like his.
I do believe the out of battery detonations, but that could be the gun also running really dirty, and also the P320 Legion being a bit under sprung compared to a stock P320
Also could be something that snagged his trigger while holstering, like his shirt.
the top of the magazine can directly hit the ejector which will bend it.
heres a twitter post that shows how it can happen; https://twitter.com/chairmanwon/status/1650120030942556160?s=20
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The P320 Legion is undersprung from the factory (12 lbs). These competitive shooters are shooting thousands of rounds, which wears down an already undersprung spring.
The M17 and stock P320 has an 18lb spring meant for NATO +P loads.
If you put a spicy round in an undersprung gun, it'll detonate while out of battery.
Trash? Far from it. Itâs highly modular and can be anything from a basic P320 to as competition ready as a P320 Max.
If itâs not your thing, simply move on. Donât shit on someone who happens to like it or a manufacturer who has gone above and beyond to find loop holes in our shitty laws.
Be better.
Waiting for some new gun owner idiot to convert his SSE 320, get arrested and swear he didnât hear about the 2018 CADOJ memo because he just canât be fucked to do research
Not if you put on your britches and tri corn hat
TALLYHO LADS!
every gun will go off if you pull the trigger and lie about it.
slow down there alec baldwin
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it does look like the gun was messed with.. https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/source-new-evidence-about-gun-led-to-dropping-of-charges-against-baldwin/article_e94b58f8-8698-5a76-9bb8-79e592d6a767.html I honestly don't know what to believe on this anymore but i do believe he'd try to "act" his way out of a felony for sure.
This article has no pictures or evidence the gun was messed with and the prosecution didnât site that as the reason they dropped the charges. It looks more like baldwinâs layers successfully got the prosecutor kicked off the case and a âfriendlierâ prosecutor was installed who did Baldwin a favor.
Well I don't know about all that. I do know that the prosecutor that brought the manslaughter charge was a political hack (literally her last job) so I suspect she's screwed it up more like politicians do most things. Then quit when she couldn't save it, again typical for politicians. city news has it too but isn't specific on the gun defect(s) https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/04/21/manslaughter-charge-against-alec-baldwin-will-be-dismissed/ I also wouldn't be surprised if the FBI crime lab screwed up again considering they destroyed the gun, again, prosecutors hate that. This whole b.s. scenario was never taken as seriously as it should have been, from long before the shooting to still today.
How do you destroy the gun?
At least you'll look cool
If you put an Olight on it, you'll be in possession of an actual WMD, so beware.
What IA donât allow ca320 on your Ccw?
Can you add to Oc Ccw?
Yup
Wait seriously? How do you know that?
They let me add my 365 spectre comp no problem, in fact all variants of my 365 are just listed as 365. The 320 will go in as 320. The SSE issue they had was with the AR pistol platform, not that it was single shot. The CA320 should be fine, they just donât want you carrying essentially a shoulderable weapon
When was your permit issued? There was one guy a month back that reported that the department was now refusing to add P365/P320s to permits since they are so modular. For reference, I had no issue with mine but that was last year.
Oh damn, October â22 I have multiple 365s on mine with the same serial number but I filed them as xl x etc
I'm more worried about the bent ejectors tbh.
buy one that doesn't bend then.
This has always been a SIG issue and theyâve recalled the P365, M320 due to drop fire issues and they had to correct the design on the 226 and 229 so that if you lowered the hammer and dropped it it wouldnât go off (which it still does). The issue with the P320 is that sumbitch just goes off for no reason. I get there are a LOT of Sig Fanboys but just because itâs a new addition to the roster doesnât make it a great gun https://www.thetrace.org/2023/04/sig-sauer-p320-upgrade-safety/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/04/11/sig-sauer-p320-fires-on-own/ https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/03/wounded-officers-sue-sig-sauer-say-gun-goes-off-itself.html
Has anybody been able to replicate the gun firing on its own without pulling the trigger after the drop safety issue fix? Seems like a lot of claims of p320âs firing on their own without anybody being able to replicate it.
Yea a little high above back with a rubber mallet will set it off on the older (prefix?) models. start around 6min mark. https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA
Yup, thatâs why I asked about replicating this after the drop safety issue fix.
Not that Iâve seen. Thereâs some 10-20 police officers involved in the lawsuits claiming it did but if theyâve been able to recreate said issue nothings been posted or leaked. There was one redditor who was shooting a competition with a p320 variant and it went off after he holstered and raised his hands, no videos of it happening only some pictures. As you can imagine the comments range from that the gun went off on its on, the cheap OWB holster he was using was the issue, or his shirt was loose and folding over the holster there by pulling the trigger. Ian with Forgotten Weapons did a video about the p320 that I linked in a response to the OP.
https://youtu.be/QusWrho19zE
What recall did the p365 have?
No known drop issues with P365. As I recall, the early batches had improperly treated firing pins that could break.
Basically if you dropped it at just the right very specific angle with just the right amount of force, it would go off. Even if you didnât stay in the loop and didnât get the recall service, itâs insanely unlikely to happen. This was only affecting batches from many years ago as I understand it
I thought that was only an issue on ever an issue on the P320.
Youâre right, I read that too fast. Not aware of a p365 issue
IIRC thereâs enuf inertia in the trigger itself to effectively pull the trigger on some examples of the gun if dropped backstrap side down at the right angle.
Has anybody actually shot their own leg with a p320 âgoing off on its own?â If so, letâs rename Glock leg to Sig leg. If not, Glock still holds the record for most legs shot âgoing off on their own.â
"My glock went off when I was trying to clean it"
p320 fudds will also conveniently forget about the glocknade too
When was the last documented case of the p320 firing on its own?
Last one I saw was this one P1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjo62vSYZk&pp=ygURZ3VuZ2hpcyBraGFuIHAzMjA%3D P2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaSb\_cbMyj8&pp=ygURZ3VuZ2hpcyBraGFuIHAzMjA%3D
I'm not saying I don't believe him but is it possible that this was possible operator error? I say this because it happened while at a competition shooting course
Yea, possible. It's just pretty nuts how many NDs or operator errors when it comes to the 320. I really like the modular concept, in fact I own a 365, but I'm holding off on a 320 for a few years until all this gets sorted out.
Go back 5-10 years and you'll find lots of reports of NDs with Glocks. It's what happens when a new firearm that enters mainstream, particularly with police, who are generally not well trained yet handle/holster/unholster their service gun every day. The P320 had a specific issue where when dropped on the back of the slide at the specific angle it could fire, and Sig did make changes.
I can see that. Does the 320 have an overly sensitive trigger? I never fired one.
Not sure what you consider overly sensitive. I can tell you it's lighter but crisper than my XD9. I think someone here posted and said the pull was 3-4 lbs depending on where on the flat trigger you pulled.
Hmmm, wonder how newly adoption of the p320 could trigger NDs. Glock, I can understand, it's not the first striker fired semi auto, but being that the operation is different, with the scissor trigger safety and lack of a hammer, I could see how.
Ian on Forgotten Weapons actually did a video on this: [LINK](https://youtu.be/QusWrho19zE) Things like people wrapped it in a cloth and put it in their bag. I know in Canada the person was using a modified P226 holster. Basically, probably a lot of Frequency Bias, a real issue happened at the begining so any issues since are in the spotlight. The drop safety issue was a real issue, but then any NDs involving the P320 got blamed on the design so the drop safety issue turned into "fires without pulling the trigger" or "Fires out of Battery."
Wow, fresh video! Thanks for sharing.
I'm kinda skeptical about this one because competitive shooters are more likely to film themselves shooting. No other competitive shooter has had one fail like his. I do believe the out of battery detonations, but that could be the gun also running really dirty, and also the P320 Legion being a bit under sprung compared to a stock P320 Also could be something that snagged his trigger while holstering, like his shirt.
fwiw if anyone dosen't know the p320 has a flaw where any magazine can bend the ejector (which you cannot replace) during a regular reload.
I hadnât heard about this. Can you elaborate ?
the top of the magazine can directly hit the ejector which will bend it. heres a twitter post that shows how it can happen; https://twitter.com/chairmanwon/status/1650120030942556160?s=20
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The P320 Legion is undersprung from the factory (12 lbs). These competitive shooters are shooting thousands of rounds, which wears down an already undersprung spring. The M17 and stock P320 has an 18lb spring meant for NATO +P loads. If you put a spicy round in an undersprung gun, it'll detonate while out of battery.
I'm not a gun nerd, so I'll take your word for it. But sounds like it makes sense.
More like i ran crap ammo issue. double charge issue
Don't people run crap ammo through all pistols?
Yup. Google âGlock kaboomâ and see what happens to other pistols that get trash ammo ran through them.
How about CZ??
Whatâs a 320?
A CA 320 is a single shot only version of a Sig p320.
It's trash is what it is.
Trash? Far from it. Itâs highly modular and can be anything from a basic P320 to as competition ready as a P320 Max. If itâs not your thing, simply move on. Donât shit on someone who happens to like it or a manufacturer who has gone above and beyond to find loop holes in our shitty laws. Be better.
Iâve owned a Sig P320 for six years and it really ainât all that.
Agreed
Seems like there is Alec Barwin in all p320 related post! 𤣠
Fuck SIG
Waiting for some new gun owner idiot to convert his SSE 320, get arrested and swear he didnât hear about the 2018 CADOJ memo because he just canât be fucked to do research