Federal actually does seem to make 150 grain 9mm hst, but I don’t know why one would buy it over 147 grain unless it runs better
https://bulkmunitions.com/9mm-150-gr-hst-jhp-federal-premium-p9hst5s-200-rounds/
somehow the 3 extra grains and probably a difference in bullet geometry makes it a hell of a lot better in subcompact barrels. nothing has better expansion. it's a shame they seem to have discontinued it along with their other micro hsts in 38, those were also phenomenal.
Do some research, HST in many many third party tests performs better than the competition.
Also, the bullet is crimped and sealed much better. I had constant issues with Hornady bullets sinking into the brass. I've never had an HST budge on me.
All day everyday. I said it in another thread, but I shot probably a thousand rounds of the 124 grain through my glock 19.4 and I have not had a single failure. It is excessively proven ammo.
Do you have to order it online? I want to load HST as well but it seems to not be available in my area or gun stores just aren't carrying it. I can find Hornady American Gunner which is what I'm using for now, and Critical Defense and Sig V Crown (which I've thought about).
You gotta buy in bulk to really make a difference. Buying 50rds at a time is costly. They get you with the shipping. This is one of the best deals I've found.
https://www.flipammo.com/products/federal-premium-ammunition-5753-cec80524-bc3a-45ff-9b79-8dce51d2bcbc
Sig V Crown would be my choice out of the 3 that are locally available to you, but you'd still be better off ordering a few hundred rounds of HST and call it a day
I've had multiple boxes of CD ammo for my bedside 9mm (PPQ M2). If I have it in the chamber more than twice, it starts setting back. I keep buying it because I love how easily it cycles, even if set back far enough that it would pass as .380! I take it to the range long before I let it get that bad now.
The thing about Critical defense I like is they have the ring that goes around the bullet so you can see when it’s been set back even the smallest bit and it’s time to use a new rounds
One of them. There's also the Xtreme Penetrator. I got a couple of boxes of those to play around with on the range, if I ever get time to get to that side of my property.
That's something I've thought about with every load I've used. Other side of the coin is under penetration when it comes to clothing in colder weather, less of a concern but still there. I've done some Paul Harrell style tests of my own and I'm fairly comfortable with my choice.
People are still sleeping on those rounds, when they may actually be better than hollow points. For the nonbelievers, see page 32/33 of this joint agency test.
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31110&d=1538934056
Edit: G9 rounds are similar and seem just as nasty.
Wow! Superb resource - this is an excellent, detailed, professional report on defensive pistol ammunition. Top-quality reference material to download and save.
It's about the design priorities, and a number of test results, of different defensive pistol calibers and bullets - by caliber and by bullet type (i.e. review of calibers by bullet type, and review of bullet-types by caliber)
Great background on terminal performance, wounding & incapacitation, ballistics, review of prior tests, ammunition types, calibers, testing methodology (gel, barriers, animal tissue // assement of penetration, reliability, barrier performance, wound cavity), charts of ammunition tested, results & discussion by bullet type, results & discussion by caliber. Highlighting of which calibers are most successful with which bullet types (it varies, but 9mm=fast solid copper, 45=heavy hollow point).
This, along with Lucky Gunner's self-defense pistol ammunition tests, should be widely known - excellent resources.
(backup link: [https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31110&d=1538934056](https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31110&d=1538934056) )
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Great barrier and hoodie penetration Sizzles 🦾🇺🇸
HST and Gold Dot are two of the better-performing rounds, but they’re not some official “golden standard.” That’s just online hive-mind. Critical Duty, Critical Defense, and V-Crown perform similarly.
EDIT: Its hilarious to watch the hive-mind crowd throw a temper tantrum when one suggests that there are viable defensive rounds outside of HST and Gold Dot. What a bunch of tools.
It is hilarious people will spend 10 minutes on an internet forum and think they know absolutely everything because they read a repeated opinion of a few strangers, who may be 13 years old for all they know.
The same people who have 8 gizmos bolted to their gun at all times. Petrified to go to a grocery store with less than 68 rounds of ammo.
Getting a little off topic with my rant but im waiting for the EDC carry posts that include an extra human being just in case they see Bin Laden at Dollar General and need covering fire.
A high percentage of the largest law enforcement agencies use Gold Dots and HST. Their may not be a gold standard, but those agencies spend millions of dollars on testing and choose those rounds for a reason.
In the lucky gunner tests Hst 124 +p had 32% larger expansion diameter then 115 gr critical defense, and even higher % against 135gr critical duty +p and regular, I feel like that performance increase is too high to call it similar, not that critical defense/duty won't get the job done, I personally carry it along with hst.
Personally, I’d rather go with the round that penetrates closer to 12” than 18” for defensive carry ammo. And I also don’t like to shoot +p ammo in my handguns because, as you said, regular pressure ammo will also get the job done. So why put the excess wear and tear on my components while training? There are multiple factors to consider when selecting a defensive round and some people rank them differently.
What I look at in the gel tests is (1) which rounds consistently expand well and (2) which rounds consistently penetrate well enough but don’t over-penetrate. Using those criteria, it’s easy to see which brands/weights will work well enough and what will not work nearly as well. Parsing beyond that seems pointless to me because shot placement is the overriding factor at that point.
I run Underwood Extreme Defender in my .380 though there is a mag full of Hornady Critical Defense in my fanny pack.
I used to carry Federal HydroShock for my .45 ACP, but the recoil is a bit much so I am shifting to standard pressure Speer Gold Dot.
My .32 ACP Seecamp is getting spruced up at the factory. I will run some tests but I hope to carry the Underwood in it as well.
Sadly, my Walther P22Q doesn’t like 22lr Punch. It was going to be my wife’s house gun, but I have been pretty disappointed with the Walther on a number of levels and wonder why I bought it!
It does function okay with CCI fodder, so it is shootable. Otherwise it would be up for sale on Gun Broker!
There’s basically three options. Gold Dot, Federal HST, and Hornady Critical Duty/Critical Defense. Generally in that order.
There’s a handful of others that are semi acceptable. Sig Sauer V Crown. Any of Winchesters various self defense loadings like Ranger T, PDX1 or whatever they call it now. But these are definitely a step below everything else.
Liberty is garbage. Unproven. Unreliable. Doesn’t penetrate deep enough. I wouldn’t bet my life on it at all. CCW is about increasing your odds of survival, so carry ammo with a proven track record.
I agree. I always list them together but honestly I almost feel like Critical Defense belongs in that second tier. It’s at the bottom end of “adequate” on the penetration scale.
Winchester Ranger Series ammo is law enforcement ammo, not normally available for regular folks. It's quality stuff, far better than lots of other ammo.
Hornady Critical Duty and Critical Defense are also both different rounds with different bullets.
In some jurisdictions where hollow points are not allowed, I like an fmj, flat point like Win service grade 115 (very snappy). For heavier bullets, any fmj with a flat point.
Not those. Use to carry them in my Shield+ and loved the lightweight factor + they sounded cool as fuck. However, after watching some ballistic gel tests they literally act like grenades. They blow up the second they hit soft tissue and have disappointing penetration. A nasty round but not something I would count on when there's simply more reliable options. You do you tho, you'll never have to worry about over penetration and it's definitely devastating enough to take someone out of the fight. I'll try and link the video I watched below if I can find it, it's been a while.
Using a .45 1911… usually Hornady critical duty. But I’ve been experimenting with the Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman and working on getting their CCW line as well. I find myself less in the city and more outside near or in the mountains as of late though.
Federal 115gr Hi-Shock JHP if I’m carrying the 9mm and 185gr Hornady Critical Defense if I’m carrying the .45. Sometimes though I’ll carry 230gr +P JHP by Federal or Hornady rounds in the .45 as I really like how they perform.
To this day I cannot understand why people with no experience think they know better than actual professionals who never select boutique rounds for good reason.
My CCW instructor was FBI SWAT trainer for 20 years and gave us the lengthy rundown of why it is best to go with whatever the current FBI barrier blind testing winner. For the past few years that has been the Hornady Critical Duty (or Defense if your pistol isn’t rated for +p) round. The critical duty rounds have been picked consistent number of times in recent history.
So I run Duty ammo even tho it’s more expensive due to Defense propensity to compress after a few times in the chamber.
Paul harrel admits his tests arent scientiffic and are for "entertainment purposes only"
I love the guy, too, and have been a viewer for years. But his videos cannot be used as evidence
Do with this what you will. I have Hornady Critical Defense right now, but may switch to HST.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm
Currently I’m using Hst or gold dots for 9mm, gold dots for 380, golden sabers for 38spcl, critical defense for 357mag, sig vcrown for 10mm and HST for 45acp.
For the house, 62gr gold dots in 223.
Federal HST 147 grain or 124 +p
if that's unavailable I'll gladly take Speer Gold Dot 147 grain or 124 +p.
I see 0 difference performance wise between any of those rounds in my Glocks (for my Sigs I only do Federal HST).
Federal 124 gr. HST. I've been carrying a full size with the standard pressure stuff but got a few boxes of +P for my subcompacts. I'll probably gradually phase that into my stash as I use up the older standard loads, just to have one common ammo for all my "serious" 9mms.
I’ve been into rifle’s lately, but Federal HST has been my stuff…. Until they sold out sadly. So I don’t know now… I’m not a Hornady fan honestly, but might have to go with them now.
Federal HST
I run 147, you?
124
124 +P
Same dawg! It slaps.
150 gr
I did just assume 9mm huh
Federal actually does seem to make 150 grain 9mm hst, but I don’t know why one would buy it over 147 grain unless it runs better https://bulkmunitions.com/9mm-150-gr-hst-jhp-federal-premium-p9hst5s-200-rounds/
They make a 150 for micro and sub compacts
somehow the 3 extra grains and probably a difference in bullet geometry makes it a hell of a lot better in subcompact barrels. nothing has better expansion. it's a shame they seem to have discontinued it along with their other micro hsts in 38, those were also phenomenal.
Hst of any grain is impossible to find at the local shops.
Wow I really learn a lot on this sub. You guys rock
Second this. Or gold dot 135s. I default to these 2 without a second thought
There's a reason many professionals are issued hst
Same with Gold Dots. I carry Gold Dot G2 124s when I can find them and HST 124s are my #2.
Contracts………
Do some research, HST in many many third party tests performs better than the competition. Also, the bullet is crimped and sealed much better. I had constant issues with Hornady bullets sinking into the brass. I've never had an HST budge on me.
Hornady stays sinking into the brass
Most annoying shit ever especially for how much they cost.
Given for performance......... With all the options both from federal and other companies hst was selected
Department of defense is all in on these after their testing Superior to hollow points per their report Current times
All day everyday. I said it in another thread, but I shot probably a thousand rounds of the 124 grain through my glock 19.4 and I have not had a single failure. It is excessively proven ammo.
Do you have to order it online? I want to load HST as well but it seems to not be available in my area or gun stores just aren't carrying it. I can find Hornady American Gunner which is what I'm using for now, and Critical Defense and Sig V Crown (which I've thought about).
Order online, in the 50 round LE boxes for best price. Cabelas near me usually has some. Academy gets some in store every once in a while too.
Check out www.ammoseek.com. You'll find much better deals there than academy and cabelas.
I did say buy online in 50 round LE boxes for best price…. He did also express interest in stores that carry it
You gotta buy in bulk to really make a difference. Buying 50rds at a time is costly. They get you with the shipping. This is one of the best deals I've found. https://www.flipammo.com/products/federal-premium-ammunition-5753-cec80524-bc3a-45ff-9b79-8dce51d2bcbc
Sig V Crown would be my choice out of the 3 that are locally available to you, but you'd still be better off ordering a few hundred rounds of HST and call it a day
Exactly, if it didn't pass the piss test I don't want it
I saw them silver coated ones? For you know.. other beings
Werewolves?
Creatures of the night.
When does it begin? ;)
Pretty sure a normal 9 can drop a lot lizard.
💀
🤣
Nickel not silver
Federal HST's or Speer Gold Dots.
It really is this simple.
Carry both of these in separate mags for my 9mm. underwood in my .380 and .38.
Wtf are you me
Hornady critical duty.
This is what I carry.
This guy knows what’s up ^
Whatever is on sale lol
115g Hornady critical defense -- yes aware of the setback concern. I check every time i load or unload, and I shoot the top round regularly
I've had Critical Defense for two years now, and never seen any setback issues. I genuinely do not know how people have so many issues with this.
I so far have had none. But I'm vigilant because I keep seeing reddit posts lol
Same, my shield doesn’t have any issue but I won’t seat anything more than once in my Lcp.
I've had multiple boxes of CD ammo for my bedside 9mm (PPQ M2). If I have it in the chamber more than twice, it starts setting back. I keep buying it because I love how easily it cycles, even if set back far enough that it would pass as .380! I take it to the range long before I let it get that bad now.
I keep an eye on mine as I had one round begin to set back, so I removed it and always check closely now. Was only the one round for me though
Same here. The sights on my Taurus G3c are regulated for 115gr ammo. Of all the 115s I've tried the critical defense is by far the most accurate.
The thing about Critical defense I like is they have the ring that goes around the bullet so you can see when it’s been set back even the smallest bit and it’s time to use a new rounds
124gr Gold Dot
Underwood 68gr Xtreme Defender Platinum Edition
Underwood Xtreme Defender 90gr.
Is that the solid copper projectile? If so that's what I carry as well.
One of them. There's also the Xtreme Penetrator. I got a couple of boxes of those to play around with on the range, if I ever get time to get to that side of my property.
I dream about being able to walk into my yard and shoot. Damn suburbs get cranky about that.
Getting out of the burbs was one of the best decisions I ever made.
I use 68gr +p
ditto
I carry this to. Any concerns with over penetration?
That's something I've thought about with every load I've used. Other side of the coin is under penetration when it comes to clothing in colder weather, less of a concern but still there. I've done some Paul Harrell style tests of my own and I'm fairly comfortable with my choice.
People are still sleeping on those rounds, when they may actually be better than hollow points. For the nonbelievers, see page 32/33 of this joint agency test. https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31110&d=1538934056 Edit: G9 rounds are similar and seem just as nasty.
Wow! Superb resource - this is an excellent, detailed, professional report on defensive pistol ammunition. Top-quality reference material to download and save. It's about the design priorities, and a number of test results, of different defensive pistol calibers and bullets - by caliber and by bullet type (i.e. review of calibers by bullet type, and review of bullet-types by caliber) Great background on terminal performance, wounding & incapacitation, ballistics, review of prior tests, ammunition types, calibers, testing methodology (gel, barriers, animal tissue // assement of penetration, reliability, barrier performance, wound cavity), charts of ammunition tested, results & discussion by bullet type, results & discussion by caliber. Highlighting of which calibers are most successful with which bullet types (it varies, but 9mm=fast solid copper, 45=heavy hollow point). This, along with Lucky Gunner's self-defense pistol ammunition tests, should be widely known - excellent resources. (backup link: [https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31110&d=1538934056](https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31110&d=1538934056) )
https://preview.redd.it/fqtozu67thrc1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=c34cf5a3771805b477cad6e66cae177877e8cc9c Great barrier and hoodie penetration Sizzles 🦾🇺🇸
Yep these! I use the 68gr but same same
Liberty is garbage ammo. HST or Speer Gold dot is the golden standard
HST and Gold Dot are two of the better-performing rounds, but they’re not some official “golden standard.” That’s just online hive-mind. Critical Duty, Critical Defense, and V-Crown perform similarly. EDIT: Its hilarious to watch the hive-mind crowd throw a temper tantrum when one suggests that there are viable defensive rounds outside of HST and Gold Dot. What a bunch of tools.
It is hilarious people will spend 10 minutes on an internet forum and think they know absolutely everything because they read a repeated opinion of a few strangers, who may be 13 years old for all they know. The same people who have 8 gizmos bolted to their gun at all times. Petrified to go to a grocery store with less than 68 rounds of ammo. Getting a little off topic with my rant but im waiting for the EDC carry posts that include an extra human being just in case they see Bin Laden at Dollar General and need covering fire.
A high percentage of the largest law enforcement agencies use Gold Dots and HST. Their may not be a gold standard, but those agencies spend millions of dollars on testing and choose those rounds for a reason.
In the lucky gunner tests Hst 124 +p had 32% larger expansion diameter then 115 gr critical defense, and even higher % against 135gr critical duty +p and regular, I feel like that performance increase is too high to call it similar, not that critical defense/duty won't get the job done, I personally carry it along with hst.
Personally, I’d rather go with the round that penetrates closer to 12” than 18” for defensive carry ammo. And I also don’t like to shoot +p ammo in my handguns because, as you said, regular pressure ammo will also get the job done. So why put the excess wear and tear on my components while training? There are multiple factors to consider when selecting a defensive round and some people rank them differently. What I look at in the gel tests is (1) which rounds consistently expand well and (2) which rounds consistently penetrate well enough but don’t over-penetrate. Using those criteria, it’s easy to see which brands/weights will work well enough and what will not work nearly as well. Parsing beyond that seems pointless to me because shot placement is the overriding factor at that point.
I'm with you on +p. More is not always better. Why would I want more recoil for the same wound?
Underwood
Hst
Wife and I both carry critical defense, I also have some 365 crown v in my sig
Is the 365 crown designed specifically for the 365? Or is it just a name they gave it
Supposedly it was designed just for it
Sig’s web site says that it was designed for short-barrel pistols, but they undoubtedly tested it heavily using one or more of their 365 models.
Hornady Critical Defense in my P365 and Critical Duty in my P226 or 1911.
Always federal HST or federal punch.
Im using the Winchester Silvertip JHP 147 grain… accurate and never failed when I shoot them in the range…
V-Crown
Fellow V-Crown enjoyer
124 gr +p Speer Gold Dots
werewolfs?
No, it’s a 100% copper projectile.
Gold Dot in my 9. Underwood Extreme Defender in my LCP Max.
I run Underwood Extreme Defender in my .380 though there is a mag full of Hornady Critical Defense in my fanny pack. I used to carry Federal HydroShock for my .45 ACP, but the recoil is a bit much so I am shifting to standard pressure Speer Gold Dot. My .32 ACP Seecamp is getting spruced up at the factory. I will run some tests but I hope to carry the Underwood in it as well. Sadly, my Walther P22Q doesn’t like 22lr Punch. It was going to be my wife’s house gun, but I have been pretty disappointed with the Walther on a number of levels and wonder why I bought it! It does function okay with CCI fodder, so it is shootable. Otherwise it would be up for sale on Gun Broker!
Speer gold dot
There’s basically three options. Gold Dot, Federal HST, and Hornady Critical Duty/Critical Defense. Generally in that order. There’s a handful of others that are semi acceptable. Sig Sauer V Crown. Any of Winchesters various self defense loadings like Ranger T, PDX1 or whatever they call it now. But these are definitely a step below everything else. Liberty is garbage. Unproven. Unreliable. Doesn’t penetrate deep enough. I wouldn’t bet my life on it at all. CCW is about increasing your odds of survival, so carry ammo with a proven track record.
I love those Sig V-Crown rounds, I stocked up on a bunch of them a few years ago when they were the only plentiful option.
Critical duty > critical defense Only due to the defense being prone bad seating
I agree. I always list them together but honestly I almost feel like Critical Defense belongs in that second tier. It’s at the bottom end of “adequate” on the penetration scale.
Winchester Ranger Series ammo is law enforcement ammo, not normally available for regular folks. It's quality stuff, far better than lots of other ammo. Hornady Critical Duty and Critical Defense are also both different rounds with different bullets.
Is it? I have some I got from a LGS a while back. 😂 Haven’t run it yet because I didn’t see where I could get it online. Guess that explains it. 😂
Speer gold dot.
In some jurisdictions where hollow points are not allowed, I like an fmj, flat point like Win service grade 115 (very snappy). For heavier bullets, any fmj with a flat point.
How’s the point of impact with those? Usually seen the 50 grain 9mm not align even close to the sights at moderate ranges.
Underwood, Underwood, and Underwood. Which actual round depends on the gun and where I'm going with it.
Winchester white box
For vampires?
Expecting to run into werewolves?
As a heathen I carry handloads in my 357 and 38 firearms, boo me if you like, my 140gr load has got that slap.
I don't like feds. But when I do. It's federal HST
147gr +P GD. [sic]
Critical defense.
Federal HST
Not those. Use to carry them in my Shield+ and loved the lightweight factor + they sounded cool as fuck. However, after watching some ballistic gel tests they literally act like grenades. They blow up the second they hit soft tissue and have disappointing penetration. A nasty round but not something I would count on when there's simply more reliable options. You do you tho, you'll never have to worry about over penetration and it's definitely devastating enough to take someone out of the fight. I'll try and link the video I watched below if I can find it, it's been a while.
https://youtu.be/nyLVu_3pOO4?si=FkRc6gE1DqawJ21_ Not the video I was orginally thinking of but it's Paul Harrel so I still recommend
Upvote for Paul
Right now I’m carrying Sig HP’s in my Shield .45
Federal 9BP-LE. I'll switch to HST or Winchester Ranger LE when that runs out.
Hornady critical defense(NJ)
Using a .45 1911… usually Hornady critical duty. But I’ve been experimenting with the Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman and working on getting their CCW line as well. I find myself less in the city and more outside near or in the mountains as of late though.
I have a 1911 in .45 that I love shooting but have no idea what to carry with it.
115 gr Hornady Critical Defense for my P365 147 gr HST for my full-size home defense pistol
Underwood 230gr +P, but still researching other 45acp options. When I carried 9mm, it was 124gr HSTs or Rangers.
Hornady Critical defense in my sub compacts, Critical Duty/fed HST in my compacts & full size pistols
You fighting werewolves?
Sig V-crown or underwood +p
.45 230 gr FMJ. Or, .410 Dragon's Breath and a game load.
9mm hst
147 grain federal HST
Winchester Silvertip 124 +P
I got IBS so you KNOW I’m carrying that Critical Duty
Federal HSTs because I'm not trying to tickle anyone. I want them stopped cold.
Gold Dot 124gt +P I'm all my 9mm. Underwood 10mm 135gr JHP for my G29.
HST 147
124gr HST
Liberty Civil Defense from day one...
Gold Dot 125gr +P
147 Federal Hst.
.380 is sig v-crown 9mm is Critical Defense currently but also like HST and Gold Dot
Federal HST 124gr As is tradition…
Federal 115gr Hi-Shock JHP if I’m carrying the 9mm and 185gr Hornady Critical Defense if I’m carrying the .45. Sometimes though I’ll carry 230gr +P JHP by Federal or Hornady rounds in the .45 as I really like how they perform.
Gold dot 124 +P cycles my APX nicely.
G9 or Speer gold dot
I carry bullets
federal HST in my sig and hornady critical defense 357 magnum in my revolver
Sig Elite V-Crown, FHST and SGD. Zero issues with any of those 3 while training.
Hst
Federal HST
To this day I cannot understand why people with no experience think they know better than actual professionals who never select boutique rounds for good reason.
G9 external hollow points or Hornady Critical Defense/Duty.
Under wood
Under appreciated. I carry Underwood and almost everything I CCW. Liberty is awesome too, but Underwood is just consistent as all hell.
My CCW instructor was FBI SWAT trainer for 20 years and gave us the lengthy rundown of why it is best to go with whatever the current FBI barrier blind testing winner. For the past few years that has been the Hornady Critical Duty (or Defense if your pistol isn’t rated for +p) round. The critical duty rounds have been picked consistent number of times in recent history. So I run Duty ammo even tho it’s more expensive due to Defense propensity to compress after a few times in the chamber.
Quality ammo (Speer Gold Dots or HST depending on what's in stock) Definitely not meme ammo like this
Here’s Paul Harrell testing the ammo https://youtu.be/nyLVu_3pOO4?si=rVh-oAEgxXW1Mbad
Paul harrel admits his tests arent scientiffic and are for "entertainment purposes only" I love the guy, too, and have been a viewer for years. But his videos cannot be used as evidence
Currently Barnes TAC XPD 115g +p, usually HST
Do with this what you will. I have Hornady Critical Defense right now, but may switch to HST. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm
HST or hornady critical
Right now just Federal Classic JHP, they're cheap and I've put enough through my gun to know they're reliable. I plan to get some HSTs soon
At the moment it’s Hornady Critical Defense 115gr
Norma monolithic holopoints or Sig v crown 115 grain
Currently I’m using Hst or gold dots for 9mm, gold dots for 380, golden sabers for 38spcl, critical defense for 357mag, sig vcrown for 10mm and HST for 45acp. For the house, 62gr gold dots in 223.
Winchester Silvertip 147gr JHP
Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot, both 124 gr +P
Federal hst 124 standard or +p depending on what I find at the time. For full and sub compact. And then hornady critical defense for my compacts.
Speer gold dot
Looks like you’re about to go fight some werewolves with some silver bullets
Federal HST
Speer Gold Dot in all my carry and home defense pistols
Underwood XTP
Speer Gold Dot +p
Federal HSTs in 30 Super Carry and 9x19. Underwood Xtreme Defender in .380 ACP.
Fiochi 124 grain XTP in my 9mm Hornady 85 grain xtp in 32 H&R mag in my 327 revolver
Big Buffalo Bore 115gr +p+, Underwood Xtreme penetrator 115gr +p.
you hunting vampires?
Same as you man.
You defending against werewolves?
Dont forget that it also pierces level 3 body armor
Either Hornady Critical Defense or Underwood Extreme Defender.
90gr Underwood Xtreme Defender.
Federal HST 147 grain or 124 +p if that's unavailable I'll gladly take Speer Gold Dot 147 grain or 124 +p. I see 0 difference performance wise between any of those rounds in my Glocks (for my Sigs I only do Federal HST).
Currently Speer gold dot, open to upgrading to G9 after some testing.
Critical duty or hst
Gold Dot
Barnes TAC XPD 9 115g
124gr +p hst
Gold dot and hst.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/ Really all the information you need to be well informed
Federal 124 gr. HST. I've been carrying a full size with the standard pressure stuff but got a few boxes of +P for my subcompacts. I'll probably gradually phase that into my stash as I use up the older standard loads, just to have one common ammo for all my "serious" 9mms.
Federal 124 grain +P HST for me.
Gold dot +p
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr
I’ve been into rifle’s lately, but Federal HST has been my stuff…. Until they sold out sadly. So I don’t know now… I’m not a Hornady fan honestly, but might have to go with them now.
Loaded mag is 124 gr federal hollow points, spare mag is 115 gr hornady critical defense
Speer Gold Dot
RPGs
Hunting some werewolves?
124gr Federal HST Law Enforcement.
Federal HST 124gr. Tried Gold Dot 135gr but it was a lil spicy for me.