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Miataplant9099

carrey thtat thing empty chaimber cocked and holsterd for a week, pull it out and see if that badboy is still cocked if you are still unsure do another week.. if at anypoint you pull it out and its not cocked get a new gun.


number__ten

This is how I got used to carrying. I started with the mag in a different pocket, then a magazine inserted without one in the chamber, then finally one in the chamber. These days neither of my typical carry guns has a manual safety though they both do have heavy triggers.


Kiltemdead

I like the heavy trigger mentality. It's not going to go off by getting snagged on a single thread, let alone my finger grazing it during a draw. I've recently started carrying one in the chamber when I carry my glock because I know the trigger isn't super light, and I have no reason not to trust it after all of the rounds I've put through it. The two I have with manual safeties I don't mind having one in the chamber because there's a physical block, and I've done dry fire exercise with them including pulling the trigger with the safety on vs. off to see where the wall is, and if it can be reached with the safety being on. Honestly, if it makes you comfortable, I'm all for it.


Using3DPrintedPews

NY PD officer Glocks have a 12# trigger in them, if you like heavy. 🏋🏻‍♂️ I'll just go for the manual safety if I have to.


Kiltemdead

Holy damn. You really have to be determined to pull that trigger.


Using3DPrintedPews

New York Cops, need I say more. (Main part of it is because in winter they wear big old gloves, gotta add some poundage, or they'd be popping rounds off unholstering)


Extra_Drop_6081

>Main part of it is because in winter they wear big old gloves, gotta add some poundage, or they'd be popping rounds off unholstering it's actually because decades ago when they switched from revolvers to glocks the cops were too lazy/stupid to learn the new trigger so they put a shitty heavy trigger in it instead. If you can't draw and shoot in gloves without NDing that is a training issue, not a problem with the gun. anyway they're finally fixing their stupid mistake [https://www.police1.com/patrol-issues/articles/nypd-should-issue-glocks-with-a-standard-5-pound-trigger-to-all-officers-not-just-new-recruits-5iC32Rg8arabmUgV/](https://www.police1.com/patrol-issues/articles/nypd-should-issue-glocks-with-a-standard-5-pound-trigger-to-all-officers-not-just-new-recruits-5iC32Rg8arabmUgV/)


Using3DPrintedPews

Only one thing hasn't changed with them...still too stupid/lazy to learn/train. At least they're trying.... slowly.


FullPowerKamehameha

That sounds like a good idea, thanks!


deltarho

Correct answer. I did this for like 2 days when I first got my CCW. I very quickly became more nervous about not having one in the chamber and not being prepared than I was about an astronomically unlikely ND in the holster.


NobleCherryTTV

This


Practical-Idea-1512

The way I would think of it is, the holster is the manual safety. As soon as the pistol comes out then the gun is “activated” and the safety goes off. Maybe reframing it like that might help?


FullPowerKamehameha

That actually makes sense. Purchasing a good holster would help with that.


RealWeekness

I'm sold on the tenicor certum 3 because of how adjustable it is. I thought AIWB wasn't for me but with this holster I was able to make it work. But still, With all the Sig P320 issues (even if the've been corrected) i feel more comfortable with the safety on. If it wasn't for the mag release on Glocks, thats what I'd be carrying. Unfortunately I find them too difficult to manipulate and an extended mag release just doesn't cut it for me.


YellowLT

Tenicor Gang, I have a few of their holsters now.


Miataplant9099

I have two of the velo4 one for my shield an another for my g19


SpaceMan21X

Had to upvote because you are considering a Tenicor Certum 3. I have one for my PDP and it's great!! I've never been able to comfortably carry appendix until I got that holster!


GalvanizedNipples

You should purchase a good holster regardless.


Chappietime

A good holster is a must, and you may have to buy a few before you find one that works for you. Having said that, I enjoy the peace of mind that a manual safety adds. I incorporate thumbing the safety into my practice draws. If you do it enough it becomes second nature.


ToughCredit7

This is actually a great way to put it! Personally, I don’t like manual safeties on guns. Not only is it another step to take when you need to use it but I’ve heard of safeties being disengaged while holstered. In that case, you might as well just carry without the safety engaged. Your holster and trigger finger are the only safeties you need.


SumBuddyPlays

Carry every day for 3 years, never had my safety disengage while holstered. How would that even happen with a quality holster? That implies the safety isn’t covered.


SherbertCivil2448

This is a great response. Thank you for sharing.


CaptGoodvibesNMS

This is exactly how I think of it. My holster is part of my gun. They are married.


Marge_simpson_BJ

Why? Just carry a pistol with a manual safety then. Practice your thumb sweep and you're gtg.


FullPowerKamehameha

Some of the firearms that I want do not come with safeties. Specifically a CZ P10C due to quality and a great trigger. To get a good trigger for a DA/SA I would need to spend more money getting a trigger job on it.


vokebot

I think people put too much emphasis on a "good" trigger. Yes, there are triggers that are absolute shit but they are usually on guns I wouldn't buy, let alone carry. The CZ DA/SA triggers are completely fine stock. Yes you can shell out several hundred dollars to get it cajunized, or throw mcarbo replacement parts in, but all most people really need is to get used to the trigger they have and practice with it daily. Spend that money on ammo and get a feel for your gun. If you shoot a few hundred rounds and the trigger is still a big issue for whatever reason, upgrade from there. I've never had a *need* to swap parts out immediately on any CZ I've owned, I just ran some courses with the stock config and all is good.


xDUMPWEEDx

Get a CZ 75D PCR or a P-01 if you need a rail.


alltheblues

Guns like the p10c have numerous safeties built in. It’s not going off unless the trigger is pulled. How do you stop a negligent trigger pull? Good holster and don’t be dumb.


1rubyglass

You don't have to spend big money on an SA/DA to get a solid trigger. CZ P-01 is g2g out of the box


theoriginaldandan

The P-001 isn’t exactly cheap it’s double what a P10


1rubyglass

He said he would have to get a trigger job. Only thing I was commenting on.


Marge_simpson_BJ

Be honest with yourself and ask if you'll ever be comfortable without a manual safety. There is nothing wrong with wanting one despite what Internet sharpshooters say. It won't matter how good your trigger is if you're uncomfortable carrying it.


TheWhiteCliffs

Best thing I’d say is don’t insert the loaded gun into your holster while in your pants. Take the holster off, put in loaded gun, put holster in pants. That takes nearly all chances of ND’ing out of your possibilities. It’s not going off while in the holster.


Expert-Gur-7030

This. If the gun is in a quality Kydex holster covering the trigger guard there's absolutely no way it can discharge. I think it's just an illogical fear that some people have.


dports70

Don’t put your finger on the trigger and the gun won’t shoot, well that is unless you carry a sig 320, then I’d buy a different gun


TowelWasted

Finger/Trigger discipline. Practice I always hated safeties on pistol because they need to be ready. If you want to get super into it look at the trigger pull and how much pressure it takes for it to go off, learn it, practice and implement/execute


Fun_Preparation_5263

If you have one, carry a DA/SA pistol. The heavy DA trigger and the ability to press the hammer when holstering gives me good peace of mind


FullPowerKamehameha

I’m deciding between CZ P07 and P10C. DA/SA vs Striker


Fun_Preparation_5263

Go for DA/SA, the first pull is heavier, but follow up shots are very light. Lighter than most striker fired guns


busman1982

I carry a stock P-07 and the heavy DA pull gives me peace of mind. It’s also fits in my hand well and shoots well. I’d like to get ahold of a P-01 someday…


bigjerm616

If you like manual safeties, why don't you just carry with one?


FullPowerKamehameha

Some of the firearms that I want do not come with safeties. Specifically a CZ P10C due to quality and a great trigger. To get a good trigger for a DA/SA I would need to spend more money getting a trigger job on it.


Disastrous_Study_284

In that case, you can either force yourself to carry one in the chamber with no safety and trust your equipment (easier said than done). Or Israeli carry while working your way to being able to trust your equipment enough to carry one in the chamber without a safety. I'm not a fan of Israeli carry, but I'd rather somebody do that and work their way up to one in the chamber than simply leave the gun at home because one in the chamber carry is too unnerving.


FullPowerKamehameha

Thanks for the advice!


Disastrous_Study_284

No problem. Some people on this sub seem to get a little too militant about only ever carrying the way they do without much thought about those of us that had to work through some early nerves. Also, the P-10C is a great pistol. I own that along side of multiple other striker and hammer fired models from various manufacturers. It performs as well or better than my stock $600-$1000 pistols (including my un-modded CZ 75s), and at 1/2 to 1/3 of the price. Great starter gun IMO.


NotAnAnticline

Consider the Walther P99. You get a decocker, so even though there is no manual safety, you can add peace of mind with a heavier first trigger pull.


AM-64

Same with the HK P30 series if you want a hammer-fired gun. The P99 is definitely a nicer gun IMO but it's been discontinued now sadly. (Carried a P99 AS for a decade until I switch over to the P30)


StockReaction985

You don’t. You carry a 1911 like God and the Colonel intended. semi /s because I carry a manual safety p365 or a double action revolver. I hate a 5 lb trigger pointed at my junk, even inside a holster (which I will be drawing from and returning to during practice and in any defensive use). For people who grew up with Glocks, it’s normal. For people who grew up with 1911s and DA guns, it’s sketchy. I wish you luck as you make the transition.’


Terrato37

Carry it empty, then with a mag, then loaded and ready. It's different for everyone. Imo, it's just a state of mind really, overcome that and you'll be fine. My first, and current carry gun is my MR920. I shot the weapon many times at the range before carrying it, so I knew what it would and wouldn't do. Good holster helps to. Something that'll keep it..."locked down", would help.


Acid_Pastor

buy a 5rd pack of snapcaps for around $20 from your local shop or nearest sporting goods store, load a dummy round and chamber it then holster. Spend a day conceal carrying and check at the end of the day to see if the primers been struck.


Disastrous_Study_284

For me, it was just a time investment. I carried only manual safety models of striker fired pistols with the safety engaged at first. Then, after a while, I started holstering it with the safety on and flipping the safety off once holstered. After doing that for a while, I became confident enough to just operate without a safety.


Soggy_Affect6063

Peace of mind with firearms in general comes from repetitiously and meticulously cultivating safe handling practices, as well as studying and understanding firearm mechanics, over time until it’s ingrained in you as a part of your life. Give it more time, research, and practice. Eventually you will gain that comfortability.


davej1121

I've carried a GLOCK or SIG pistol nearly all of my career. Although, I itially I had a concern, I alleviated it by being diligent about the holster I used and my trigger finger discipline. Rigid type holster that covers the trigger guard and you're well on your way. If you ever want to test your carry, get a primed case without powder or a bullet and put it in the chamber. Do all the things you envision you'd need to do and see if the primed case goes POP. If so, then you'd probably need a hotter holster or different handgun for your needs. If not. No POP, then you'll be fine. Also: get training from a competent civilian defensive handgun instructor and become even more confident. I would look for credentials such as rangemaster instructor, handgun combatives instructor, instructor courses from Sig sauer, or something similar. Those are all very tough courses to pass and if they have the instructor rating for any one of those, or all of those, it means they know their s***


UpstairsSurround3438

First, get a good holster. Then try carrying it unloaded at home for a while. Get used to how it feels. Practice drawing once you get a little more comfortable. And please remember that you NEVER need to reholster fast. Nobody has died because they didn't reholster fast enough. You can get some snap caps or those laser bullets and practice dry firing after the draw.


ItsJustAnotherVoice

It’s all mental mind games. After building a glock and understanding the mechanisms, its 9 out 10 times holster/user error that causes the ND. Trigger design plays a huge role. Failure is usually due to a lack of proper maintenance in gear.


Mundane_Conflict7240

Invest in a holster that you trust won’t allow access to the trigger. The gun hardly will ever leave the holster and when it does, keep that finger off the trigger. I’ve never personally liked the manual safety, just more to have to drive into your head to flip on and off but once again, that’s personal preference. Google the internal safety mechanism for glocks and it will relax your worry a good amount.


lostriver_gorilla

Leave the gun in battery without a round in the chamber for a few months.


NapalmOverdos3

Get a holster for one of your guns that you wanna carry and keep it for home defense. Keep one in the chamber so it’s always hot. The holster and your finger are your safeties. You’ll get comfortable. I don’t actually own a carry gun with a manual safety


skydive8980

Is your concern the pistol randomly going off in the holster or NDing while you are drawing?


IndianaJones_Jr_

Do some research and deep dive on the internal safeties in a gun. I saw you're looking at the P10c, that gun will NOT fire unless you pull the trigger. The P10 in particular has a firing pin block safety. It blocks the firing pin from being struck when the trigger is in it's resting position. To fire the gun, the block is moved by actuating the trigger.


see-eye

Reminds me of one of the first episodes of Trailer Park Boys. The local bully displays his handgun to the film crew and says, "Safety always off." Ironically, that's also what I was taught by a well qualified CCW instructor. Having a safety on is different from, yet similar to, the idea of not carrying a chambered round. It will likely slow down your response time in the event of an immediate threat.


SuspiciousDig5919

The point is to disable the trigger, right? The holster disables the trigger. Same thing, you just don't have to remember to switch it off in the middle of a crisis. Think of it as an auto-safety. Holster, safety on. Draw, safety off.


Proof_Bathroom_3902

I usually carry revolvers, I only own a couple revolvers with manual safeties and never use them. Otherwise I carry a double action semi auto. No safety. Many of them don't even cock the striker until the trigger is pulled.


eenigmaa

Didn't see anyone mention a grip safety? My edc shield Ez has a grip safety, only. It will not fire unless my hand is firmly around the grip and squeezing it. Something very normal when drawing / firing, but not during everyday movements. I carry appendix too.


Smoked-Gouda789

The only safety that’s needed is the one in between your ears 🙂


Insanity8016

Just don't carry a SIG and you'll be fine.


the_almighty_walrus

I carried with the safety on for about 6 months, then started leaving it off when I got comfortable just having it on me. Now I carry a Glock.


theoriginaldandan

Sounds like you’re better off with a gun with a safety


steppinraz0r

Glocks and P10s do have safeties they just aren’t slide mounted. It takes a pretty specific motion to defeat the trigger safety and have the gun fire. The key to safe handgun carry is care when reholstering and trigger discipline. If you carry AIWB: 1) reholster slowly and methodically. 2) look at the holster mouth for obstructions. 3) Push your hips forward so the muzzle clears your legs. As far as trigger discipline goes, practice drawing over and over again with an unloaded gun. With practice it becomes second nature and you won’t have to think about it. Lastly, most NDs happen because of complacency and basic brain farts, most commonly when someone drops a mag but doesn’t also clear the chamber, then pulls the trigger. The 4 rules work! Edit: Also get a kydex or plastic molded holster from a reputable brand with full trigger coverage. I like PHLSTER, Tenicor and Raven Concealment.


rando_mness

If you already know the weapons safety rules, and have good trigger discipline, acknowledge that fact and get over it. That's what I did, pretty recently. I also got sick of having far fewer options based on a thumb safety.


Ironman650

I carry an Equalizer but do not engage the thumb safety. It has a grip safety for additional peace of mind.


Fullsend_ID10T

Would you be open to a DA/SA I carried a CZ p-01 for awhile and It had a half cock with a fire pin block and heavy double action stage, always felt ultra safe to me. I just started carring a glock because I didnt like the DA/SA.


Desperate-Oil6901

If you're not confident in your gear, you need to train with it more.


Ern-The-Burn

I leave the chamber empty in my Max with magazine in. It's takes less than a second to rack the slide. This also gives me piece of mind in case it accidently drops to the floor.