Fake news. He was entirely responsible for the 4 wins and not all responsible for the 8 losses. Please get your facts straight or Deion will come correct you.
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I'm pretty sure Tim Couch had a losing record in college, and the last year was the only winning season he had. (UK went 7-5 that year.) I don't know if you mean under .500 in his final season or not, but that's the only example I could come up with off the top of my head.
Jay Cutler wasn't top 5, but he was picked #11, and Vanderbilt was 11-35 with him at the helm.
On edit: Elway had a losing record each year at Stanford, I believe. But those were different times.
Patrick Mahomes went 13-19 in college.. I hear he's kind of good at playing football.
Also, disclaimer I am NOT saying sheduer is even close to the same.
Holy Cow I'd completely forgotten that era was so bad record-wise for Texas Tech. That 2016 battle between him and Baker looms large in my memory though.
In the last two seasons, Mahomes has a TD% of 8.68%. However, the league average last year was 4.8%. If you adjust his TD% to 5%, still above LA, he goes from throwing 57 TDs in his last 18 games to only 32.85. I'll be generous and give him 33.
Now, let's adjust his passer rating. It goes from 116.5 to only 104.3 by just adjusting his TD% to normally above average. Later on, I will adjust it further to take yards into account.
Next, we have to account for him passing more than league average. He has 657 pass attempts over 18 games. The LA is 35.5/game, which equals 639, around a 2.7% reduction. Mahomes also has a flukey 9.01 Y/A, which can be adjusted to 8 (still above LA) based on the league average of 7.5. So we can estimate that over a 16 game season, his adjusted yardage is (6397.5)/18*16= 4544 yards.
Now, I will adjust his passer rating again based on these 16 game stats 4544 yards 639 attempts 426 completions (also adjusted) After this, his passer rating bottoms out at 96.66, which lands him squarely between Dak Prescott and Ben Roethlisberger last year.
His final 16 game adjusted stats: 4544 yards / 639 ATT / 426 CMP / 66.7% CMP (same) / 33 TD / 12 INT (same) / 8 Y/A / 96.7 RATE
What does this tell us? It tells us that Mahomes' perceived success in the league is largely inflated by unsustainable, wildly outlier stats in his 18 games as perceived elite talent. When you adjust for the future by bringing down his outlier stats, he regresses heavily to a slightly above average QB of 2018 Dak tierdom.
In any season, career or just final season?
'Cause Jared Goff and Cal won 1 game in 2013, went 5-7 in 2014 and won 8 in 2015 (his only winning season).
Granted this was entirely because of the tire fire defenses by Sonny Dykes, Andy Buh and Art Kaufman.
Jay Cutler went 5-6 his senior year at Vanderbilt. Drafted like 9th or 10th.
Honestly I’d prefer a great qb from a bad college team. Shows they can handle adversity and not having a talent advantage with teammates.
Guys like Josh Allen also come to mind along with others who were mentioned.
Plus Sanders is not getting drafted until after this year. He looked really good last year for a guy who had no line.
USC QBs in the 00s were mostly busts, and Bama QBs in the next decade is more of the same. I think part of the reason is like you said, their offenses just out-talent everyone and the QB doesn’t have to be as precise or sharp and don’t hone that craft as well as they should. Pretty easy to throw a 40 yard post when the WR has the corner beat by five steps and the oline gives you a clean pocket for 7 seconds
I can’t recall the name off the top of my head but pretty sure there was a Notre Dame QB in the 40s who had a losing record and threw more picks than touchdowns and won the Heisman before being a high draft pick.
What if he goes 10 like Patrick Mahomes?
Patrick Mahomes went 5-7... He had a losing college record and was still top 10 and possibly will be the GOAT when it's all said and done
If I were a GM that would be instantly disqualifying. The most successful players in the game, especially at qb, have always been those who could unite the pieces of a team. Sanders clearly isn’t on a good track to do that.
If that does happen he still won’t accept it’s because of how he acts he will just say “they don’t like seeing a confident black man” or something like that
I'd take a chance in the mid rounds if I felt like my team had a strong culture, just on the chance that Shedeur matures and gets away from his dad. But I think taking him in the 1st is asking for trouble, even if you like him as a player.
Oh god, I didn't know how much I wanted Deion to talk like a passive aggressive travel ball dad to ESPN. I can't wait for them to get drafted, I hope Shedeur goes to Chicago and Shilo goes to Minnesota.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised. But he does have talent and there's a nonzero chance he matures.
QB is valuable enough that you have to take some risks, and I think a 3rd-5th rounder would be worth it *IF* you have a strong/stable culture and feel like your locker room wouldn't be negatively affected.
Rattler just fell to the 5th round cause of how he acted and talked to/about his teammates on a reality show when he was 17/18 years old. This is a really bad look for his pro potential.
Yeah. If Shedeur was a Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence level prospect none of this would really matter, but since he’s not it will cost him just like it cost Rattler.
Taking him at all is honestly asking for a stupid amount of drama from having Deion around and creating drama if his kid if riding the bench instead of instantly starting.
Exactly. If you have a couple of Jason Kelce type of players on your team that you think can straighten him out… might be worth taking a 4th round flyer on.
It’s funny… cause the comment that came to mind when OP mentioned “least self-aware” was ANOTHER SHEDEUR SANDERS quote…
When he talked about having a chip on his shoulders because the dudes from Texas grew up with privileges … “against the odds” were his words I believe
Like he isn’t loaded with a celebrity football dad that made him a well-known name before he played a high school game… WHO THEN WAS GIFTED STARTING JOBS BECAUSE HIS DAD WAS THE COACH
Most celebrities have some level of disconnect from what the average adult has to deal with… but this kid takes the cake. And normally I wouldn’t mind if some kid was just ignorant … but he’s actively an asshole about it cause he’s so spoiled 😂
Also there is the whole don't count your chickens before they hatch thing.......if I know anything about Karma one way to tempt it is to talk shit about something in the future as if you have already done it. Wouldn't be shocked if he has a worse year and falls at out of the top 10 at all lol
He’s not his dad. He doesn’t have the ridiculous talent and athleticism that Deion had coming out of college. He will continue to get media attention but I doubt a NFL team is going to gamble on him as a number 1 pick let alone top 10 in the upcoming draft.
The NFL hasn’t had great experience with outspoken or clownish players as well TO, Ocho cinco, Antonio brown, etc etc.
They generally expect a certain level of professionalism from MoST players. And if you are gonna be a PR nightmare you better have some insane numbers.
Shadeur doesn’t have that. He’s not his dad and it’s not the 90s. He’s gonna Kaepernick himself before he even gets drafted.
Yeah, Eli was a one off.You are not gonna dictate what a present day NFL team does in ‘24.There are gonna be teams in need that won’t touch him because they aren’t gonna give a damn about what his dad thinks they should do with him. I don’t want to see him do nothing but succeed.But they are doing too much.
Not even a former player, a former teammate. lol
I can tell you one thing; what every NFL teams wants is for the leader or their franchise to be on social media talking shit about former teammates.
Professionals, especially at the QB position, are supposed to be way above that sort of thing.
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I mean, he didn’t live up to his hype, but I don’t know if I’d say he sucks. I don’t think South Carolina had much of an OLine, and seem to remember a lot of SC fans saying that Rattler was the only reason they didn’t lose almost every game. Obviously not a day one pick, but he has a lot of talent.
His biggest downfalls were being immature and performing worse under pressure, two things that Sanders has struggled even worse with.
He’s the most talented QB we’ve ever had no joke so none of us will slander him even if he wouldnt have been at most programs. He made zero negative headlines in 2+ years at SC and shook the immaturity to be named by the team as captain (I know the QB almost always does but we haven’t heard any sort of word there was pause)
Yeah, he has potential to be great if he just does his job well and has a good coach to help him through. He has an upsides to be any QB in the league at this moment.
Idk why he gets hated on so much. He has a cannon and decent pocket awareness. His biggest weakness was slow/poor decision making. He has many of the same physical characteristics as Mahomes. He could have the best career of any QB in this draft with patience and good coaching. I definitely think he is a career backup tho.
I gained a ton of respect for Rattler while at USC. Despite getting blasted every game dude when out there and tried his hardest and seemed like he really cared.
Sometimes I wonder if the extended covid years affected his time at Oklahoma. In heindsight it seems that having stacked rosters with extended covid year guys really made a difference for teams like Baylor, Pokes, and TCU. (Maybe KState but they are always kind of like that). I swear he wasn’t that bad as a freshman. He kept hitting our receivers in the hands and they kept dropping it against Iowa State. I feel like it killed him inside a little with each dropped pass. And then KState was just simply they will take advantage of you with the fundamentals of football and even an experience QB would struggle digging its way out of that. But he did just outright suck the next season and came back looking like Bart Simpson.
He never seemed bad to me. He also had insane expectations (I believe he was like top 3 Heisman favorite his freshman year before taking a single snap), which probably hurt his confidence when he inevitably disappointed. He had his worst game against his biggest rival, got replaced by a true freshman who came back to win, and was booed off the field.
The mental toll of that is probably awful, and with QB being such a mental position, there aren’t many people who could come back from that. I always rooted for him at SC because I was hoping he could overcome that, and I think he did a decent job. Hopefully he can continue to grow in New Orleans.
It’s an unpopular take for the fanbase but I don’t think our receivers had great hands more than Rattler was bad. Second year rattler was a regression even if he had some unfillable shoes. But also what if we stuck with rattler and go got to have the success he found at SC. We didn’t stick with him so we didn’t get the fruits of his labor when he was more experienced. Would have loved having a Spencer rattler when we were out there running the wild cat with Davis bevile (whom should be in jail). He certainly went through a lot with us specifically so I do have a soft spot for him too and hope he finds success.
Its crazy he could have stayed at OU and been the starter for the rest of his career too. He didn't leave OU because of Lincoln Riley or Caleb Williams. He left because of the fans. At the end of the day the adversity has made him better tho.
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It gets tiring trying to defend Spencer Rattler to people who very clearly haven't paid any attention to him since he left Oklahoma
Absolutely incorrect and you definitely didn’t watch him play any full games, if at all. We sucked this past season mainly because we literally lost 2 starting olineman on the first drive of the first game against UNC for the season and have no depth at line cause we’re fucking South Carolina. Ratt didn’t make one negative headline playing for us in 2 years and he has all the tools as advertised as a 5 star - he can make every throw and has a rocket arm. We lead the SEC in dropped passes and he still broke our single season passing TD record (we don’t exactly have any prior stars at QB I’ll be honest). 100% agree with draft evaluators that his weakness and why he never “took the next step” is erratic decision making, he tries to play hero ball and forces some deep balls no question
If he had decided to play for a better program I have zero doubt he would have put up bo nix stats and would be considered better than him
Put Ewers behind a Swiss cheese OL and he’d suck too. Rattler did very well at the end of 2022 and did good enough with what he had last year.
Don’t forget he threw for 5 TDs against #5 Tennessee in 2022.
I mean, he’s an underdeveloped QB with elite physical characteristics who got taken midway through the fifth round.
Look at where a similarly talented but underdeveloped QB, Anthony Richardson, got taken last year in the first round. Obviously comparing draft years 1:1 is a sketchy proposition, but even Aidan O’Connell got taken in the fourth round last year.
I’d be surprised if Rattler’s history of behavior *hadn’t* been at least a factor in why he went so low.
Rattler falling to the 5th probably has more to do with 6 QBs going in the first than it does any type of character concern. How early can you reasonably expect the 7th QB off the board to go?
Definitely before that, and especially with Rattler’s talent. Here’s when the seventh QB in the draft was picked, going back to the change in the draft format in 2010.
2011: Ryan Mallett, 74th pick - mid 3rd round
2012: Nick Foles, 88th pick - late 3rd round
2013: Landry Jones, 115th pick - mid 4th round
2014: Tom Savage, 135th pick - mid-4th round
2015: Trevor Siemian, 250th pick - 7th round, comp pick.
2016: Connor Cook, 100th pick - top of the 4th round.
2017: Joshua Dobbs, 135th pick - mid 4th round
2018: Kyle Laulotta, 108th pick - early 4th round
2019: Jarrett Stidham, 133rd pick - mid 4th round
2020: James Morgan, 125th pick - mid 4th round
2021: Kellen Mond, 66th pick - top of the 3rd round
2022: Chris Oladokun, 241st pick - mid 7th round
2023: Stetson Bennett, 128th pick - mid 4th round
So Rattler's the third-latest pick of that bunch.
Similarly talented? What? I have my doubts that Richardson will ever be successful in the NFL, but to say he’s similarly talented to Spencer Ratller is insanity.
Richardson had arguably the best combine performance from an athleticism perspective of anyone ever at his position. The dude ran a 4.43 40 at 6’4” 244 lbs. He also had the second strongest arm in his draft class.
So as a Florida Gator fan, Anthony Richardson was drafted so high because they think he can be very similar to Josh Allen but even better athleticism. All but like 10 of Anthony Richardsons throws in college were terrible. However, those 10 throws were the most beautiful thing ever. He also has no trouble off the field or personality issues.
I don’t think Spencer Rattler did either as he was like 18. There is no way Shedeur Sanders tanked his stock from these comments because if he throws 4500 yards 40 TDs and runs for 5 more, no GM will care about social media jabber.
The NFL has an accused sexual predator as one of its highest paid QBs, if they thought he was good they wouldn't care how he treated his teammates when he was 17 years old.
The media can't agree on whether it's that or if the teams who liked him were simply the Falcons and Broncos who both got their guy in the first round. We'll never know the real answer and it's probably both. He did himself no favors in high school, and 6 QBs in the first round makes it pretty likely that the teams really looking for a QB had somebody else higher on their board that they took.
Yeah, like if he looked like the next coming of Tom Brady (not draft Brady, like Brady after 1-3 years in the NFL) and was acting like this, that would just make him a dick. Acting like this and also not demonstrating exceptional talent is way worse.
Tons of guys get drafted high with disappointing or lackluster college records. If he plays like a first rounder he will be one regardless of how shitty Colorado is. Giant “if” but still.
Caleb Williams went 1st overall after going 7-5. Mahomes went 10th overall after going 5-7. Sometimes your team just sucks and the QB doesn’t get necessarily judged negatively for it.
Not usually the QB, though. For some reason it seems like wins matter more to their draft stock.
Edited to add that Caleb Williams won the Heisman and went 11-3 the year before so the scouts saw what he could do. However, it’s obviously not *everything*. Look at Anthony Richardson.
Wins don’t matter to their draft stock. Its all about traits and projections to the NFL. If USC’s defense was *even worse* than it was these past couple years and Caleb went 0-24 while playing the exact same as he did how could any logical person use that against him?
I don't know why his stock was so high to begin with. Most don't consider Brady Cook to be "elite" yet his stats are very similar to Sanders for 2023, despite having a *much* harder schedule in 2023 than Sanders did.
It’s has to be because of his dad.
Rattler seems very similar to Sanders. Both had a bad OLine, both are immature (though I feel like Rattler is pretty mature now compared to Sanders), both perform worse under pressure, and both had similar stats despite Rattler being in a significantly harder conference. Rattler fell to the 5th round.
How anyone thinks Sanders is a first round pick is crazy to me.
I'll even argue for Rattler that you could clearly see his progression and improvement throughout his time at SC, so with the right coach his talents can become elite. Have yet to see that with Sanders, but without a maturity change like Rattler had, the odds of that happening are low
It seemed like people who usually aren't totally full of shit had him as a good draft prospect, maybe it's the measurables or something. There's usually a QB or 2 every year that didn't do anything special that get draft hype based on tools or throwing a football really really far on a practice field
But players get dragged down in the Draft for much dumber reasons than this so he's gonna have to back it up
He’s athletic, and has a talented arm. It’s just that a QB should be a team leader, and Shaduer is showing over and over again that he has no leadership ability. While Sanders is a good prospect, teams aren’t going to ignore character issues unless they are fast and away the best talent in the draft, which Sanders hasn’t shown to be.
I don't get it either. Didn't watch a lot of their games but in their first lost they got absolutely throttled, this guy fell apart so hard. Every time he even thought he was getting pressure, he would run out the back of the pocket, guy did not know how to step up.
As a Colorado fan I just wish we could have a good team to root for for once in the last decade. Even 2016 amounted to an embarrassing PAC 12 final and bowl game.
This is my opinion, 100% not factual, I never saw Shedeur as a first round recruit. A lot can happen between now and next year. A lot of these guys do stupid shit - like taking crab legs heheh. Sometimes these occurrences hurt - most of the time they don’t. At this point in time, I am sure NFL GMs are quite familiar with dealing with guys with questionable character issues. The NFL isn’t exactly the standard bearer for respectfulness and integrity.
Haha. Hey, I’m just giving my stupid opinion, which is often wrong. I didn’t think Jordan Travis was an NFL caliber QB, but hey the Jets may prove me wrong.
Idk how betting odds would really know this. I could be wrong, but aren't they mostly determined by the behavior of the public placing bets?
The public responded to what we all thought was ridiculous, Sanders going #1 overall and bet on other people, lowering his odds. Or am I misunderstanding how that works?
This kid has bust written all over him.
I don't care if he's super athletic and is Deion's kid. He's 100% not a leader, and will bust in the NFL. Guaranteed.
Deion and his entire family are low class and immoral pieces of crap. You could never trust any of them to not stab you in the back and talk shit.
I’m not sure Shedeur gets drafted in the first round. Too much disruption caused by himself and daddy. I think many people forget that Deion had to be very actively managed by whatever team he was on so his behavior wouldn’t become disruptive. In other words they basically baby sat him at times.
And if you draft Shedeur the whole clown show is coming if you like it or not. Just not sure a team wants to stake their future on him. He’s going to be a 2nd round pick or later.
Yeah this argument makes the most sense to me. Like the best case scenario is this guy is going to turn out like the balls in NBA. Yeah they could be good but are they good enough to warrant the dad trying to coach the team and stir up drama. Idk is it worth the risk? I’d say no
Lol draft stock betting... basically just call it TMZ betting till the season starts. None of this shit will matter at the end of the day, tape will speak for itself. Unless someone saves a person drowning or pulls them out of a burning car or house there is never anything positive till the season starts again.
Almost as if media has turned sports into a reality show you can bet on now without players ever playing.
I'd suggest people put up "Shadeur is very mid at best" signs for Gameday, but given how bad they will be, I doubt we will see Colorado on there next season.
On a similar note I wonder what Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell would have posted if they had Twitter and Instagram during their college years. The Sanders family is to college football what the Ball family is to the NBA: All hype, little substance. I canNOT wait for them to go away!
I would take him off my draft board if I'm a GM. He reminds me of Manziel with his attitude. Your QB has to be a leader and this kid only cares about himself. I wonder where he got that from
Won’t matter if he balls out. Top 5 pick if he plays great. Second round pick if he struggles. Hate him or love him he has talent and NFL gm’s are always looking for a new QB
I don't know... NFL doesn't seem to care all that much anymore. A few specific teams might, but most have gone the way of the Raiders at this point. None of this would stop Vegas from drafting Sanders if they thought he had the most talent.
Remember when we used to hear about Wonderlic scores all the time? How long has that been?
And I thought it was his 2:1 sacks taken to TD passes.
You’d think the guy took take a hint and get rid of the ball sooner.
Or maybe the coaching staff could instruct their o-line on the finer points of impeding defenders paths to the QB.
All I have to say is the first time Shedeur had to play against a Average Defense (I’m going off what everyone always says) in Oregon they had that boy running around like a chicken with his head cutoff 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Calling a former player “mid” while leading your team to 4-8 is one of the least self aware statements I think I’ve ever heard.
Haven't you heard that Shedeur wasn't at all responsible for how that team did? As far as he's aware, he's absolutely perfect and everyone else sucks.
Fake news. He was entirely responsible for the 4 wins and not all responsible for the 8 losses. Please get your facts straight or Deion will come correct you.
Deion always comes correct
He kept the receipts.
Wallet must be getting pretty full at this point
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Hell nawl can’t do this
Sanders. The Lannisters of CFB
Great, now I can’t get the mental image of them all gang-banging and some poor ass mid player walks in and they have to throw him off of a tower.
Is that not canon?
Lawd Jesus!
Oh lord?!?! I got time today!!
“Do you believe now?”
That's because he always had the odds against him, and it made him who he is, which is 56th in QBR.
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It was everyone’s fault but Deion. He’s got a roster that rivals 2019 LSU.
Exactly the attitude you want for a QB and locker room leader
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Is this the, “Sheduer doesn’t play defense” argument?
Has there ever been a legit top 5 QB pick that went under .500 in a college season? I cannot think of one.
I'm pretty sure Tim Couch had a losing record in college, and the last year was the only winning season he had. (UK went 7-5 that year.) I don't know if you mean under .500 in his final season or not, but that's the only example I could come up with off the top of my head. Jay Cutler wasn't top 5, but he was picked #11, and Vanderbilt was 11-35 with him at the helm. On edit: Elway had a losing record each year at Stanford, I believe. But those were different times.
Patrick Mahomes went 13-19 in college.. I hear he's kind of good at playing football. Also, disclaimer I am NOT saying sheduer is even close to the same.
QB throws 5,000 yards and 41-10 TD-int and go 5-7. Just Kliff things.
Who even needs defense anyway
Not when you’re a pirate!
Youre swinging your sword like *this*, you gotta swing your sword like **this**
And the Cardinals hired that man
Holy Cow I'd completely forgotten that era was so bad record-wise for Texas Tech. That 2016 battle between him and Baker looms large in my memory though.
Where’s the proof Mahomes is good now
In the last two seasons, Mahomes has a TD% of 8.68%. However, the league average last year was 4.8%. If you adjust his TD% to 5%, still above LA, he goes from throwing 57 TDs in his last 18 games to only 32.85. I'll be generous and give him 33. Now, let's adjust his passer rating. It goes from 116.5 to only 104.3 by just adjusting his TD% to normally above average. Later on, I will adjust it further to take yards into account. Next, we have to account for him passing more than league average. He has 657 pass attempts over 18 games. The LA is 35.5/game, which equals 639, around a 2.7% reduction. Mahomes also has a flukey 9.01 Y/A, which can be adjusted to 8 (still above LA) based on the league average of 7.5. So we can estimate that over a 16 game season, his adjusted yardage is (6397.5)/18*16= 4544 yards. Now, I will adjust his passer rating again based on these 16 game stats 4544 yards 639 attempts 426 completions (also adjusted) After this, his passer rating bottoms out at 96.66, which lands him squarely between Dak Prescott and Ben Roethlisberger last year. His final 16 game adjusted stats: 4544 yards / 639 ATT / 426 CMP / 66.7% CMP (same) / 33 TD / 12 INT (same) / 8 Y/A / 96.7 RATE What does this tell us? It tells us that Mahomes' perceived success in the league is largely inflated by unsustainable, wildly outlier stats in his 18 games as perceived elite talent. When you adjust for the future by bringing down his outlier stats, he regresses heavily to a slightly above average QB of 2018 Dak tierdom.
Thanks, Harvard. Wait. What!?
I don't recall him ever saying shit like this.
Anthony Richardson maybe? Although he opted out of the bowl, 6-6 season under Napier in year 1
In any season, career or just final season? 'Cause Jared Goff and Cal won 1 game in 2013, went 5-7 in 2014 and won 8 in 2015 (his only winning season). Granted this was entirely because of the tire fire defenses by Sonny Dykes, Andy Buh and Art Kaufman.
Jay Cutler went 5-6 his senior year at Vanderbilt. Drafted like 9th or 10th. Honestly I’d prefer a great qb from a bad college team. Shows they can handle adversity and not having a talent advantage with teammates. Guys like Josh Allen also come to mind along with others who were mentioned. Plus Sanders is not getting drafted until after this year. He looked really good last year for a guy who had no line.
USC QBs in the 00s were mostly busts, and Bama QBs in the next decade is more of the same. I think part of the reason is like you said, their offenses just out-talent everyone and the QB doesn’t have to be as precise or sharp and don’t hone that craft as well as they should. Pretty easy to throw a 40 yard post when the WR has the corner beat by five steps and the oline gives you a clean pocket for 7 seconds
I can’t recall the name off the top of my head but pretty sure there was a Notre Dame QB in the 40s who had a losing record and threw more picks than touchdowns and won the Heisman before being a high draft pick.
Paul Hornung, AKA The Golden Boy
he was drafted as an hb though and played hb in the pros
What if he goes 10 like Patrick Mahomes? Patrick Mahomes went 5-7... He had a losing college record and was still top 10 and possibly will be the GOAT when it's all said and done
There's a guy playing in Detroit who went #1 overall.
The literal best qb in the league, 3 super bowls, 2 mvps had a losing record in college
But he wasn't a top 5 pick
Lol, they kinda missed the whole discussion there, didn’t they?
You’d think Colorado won 10+ games with how they’re talking about players couldn’t cut it at such a “great program”
Dude is honestly dumb
If I were a GM that would be instantly disqualifying. The most successful players in the game, especially at qb, have always been those who could unite the pieces of a team. Sanders clearly isn’t on a good track to do that.
If that does happen he still won’t accept it’s because of how he acts he will just say “they don’t like seeing a confident black man” or something like that
I'd take a chance in the mid rounds if I felt like my team had a strong culture, just on the chance that Shedeur matures and gets away from his dad. But I think taking him in the 1st is asking for trouble, even if you like him as a player.
You know Deion is going to take public shots at you when his son isn’t playing or is playing but playing poorly…
Oh god, I didn't know how much I wanted Deion to talk like a passive aggressive travel ball dad to ESPN. I can't wait for them to get drafted, I hope Shedeur goes to Chicago and Shilo goes to Minnesota.
Shilo is going to load trucks with plywood at Home Depot.
Tbh it’s probably to ingrained in him.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised. But he does have talent and there's a nonzero chance he matures. QB is valuable enough that you have to take some risks, and I think a 3rd-5th rounder would be worth it *IF* you have a strong/stable culture and feel like your locker room wouldn't be negatively affected.
Jerry Jones second round selection confirmed
Rattler just fell to the 5th round cause of how he acted and talked to/about his teammates on a reality show when he was 17/18 years old. This is a really bad look for his pro potential.
But he was also super inconsistent on the field in college as well.
Yeah. If Shedeur was a Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence level prospect none of this would really matter, but since he’s not it will cost him just like it cost Rattler.
Shedeur was the 56th QBR in FBS last season.
Jerry Jones second round selection confirmed
Taking him at all is honestly asking for a stupid amount of drama from having Deion around and creating drama if his kid if riding the bench instead of instantly starting.
Not to worry. They can always bring LaVar Ball in to keep Deion in line and squelch the drama.
Exactly. If you have a couple of Jason Kelce type of players on your team that you think can straighten him out… might be worth taking a 4th round flyer on.
It’s mind blowing. What a time to be alive
It’s funny… cause the comment that came to mind when OP mentioned “least self-aware” was ANOTHER SHEDEUR SANDERS quote… When he talked about having a chip on his shoulders because the dudes from Texas grew up with privileges … “against the odds” were his words I believe Like he isn’t loaded with a celebrity football dad that made him a well-known name before he played a high school game… WHO THEN WAS GIFTED STARTING JOBS BECAUSE HIS DAD WAS THE COACH Most celebrities have some level of disconnect from what the average adult has to deal with… but this kid takes the cake. And normally I wouldn’t mind if some kid was just ignorant … but he’s actively an asshole about it cause he’s so spoiled 😂
Also there is the whole don't count your chickens before they hatch thing.......if I know anything about Karma one way to tempt it is to talk shit about something in the future as if you have already done it. Wouldn't be shocked if he has a worse year and falls at out of the top 10 at all lol
Or gets injured
That’s straight up him being like his dad.
Without the raw talent to back it up.
In other words, like his dad the coach.
Bro is acting like he is Cam Newton and can will his team to a national championship.
One might even say Shedeur is “mid” himself
He’s not his dad. He doesn’t have the ridiculous talent and athleticism that Deion had coming out of college. He will continue to get media attention but I doubt a NFL team is going to gamble on him as a number 1 pick let alone top 10 in the upcoming draft.
The NFL hasn’t had great experience with outspoken or clownish players as well TO, Ocho cinco, Antonio brown, etc etc. They generally expect a certain level of professionalism from MoST players. And if you are gonna be a PR nightmare you better have some insane numbers. Shadeur doesn’t have that. He’s not his dad and it’s not the 90s. He’s gonna Kaepernick himself before he even gets drafted.
Yeah, Eli was a one off.You are not gonna dictate what a present day NFL team does in ‘24.There are gonna be teams in need that won’t touch him because they aren’t gonna give a damn about what his dad thinks they should do with him. I don’t want to see him do nothing but succeed.But they are doing too much.
Not even a former player, a former teammate. lol I can tell you one thing; what every NFL teams wants is for the leader or their franchise to be on social media talking shit about former teammates. Professionals, especially at the QB position, are supposed to be way above that sort of thing.
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Lmao in about 4-5 months this is gonna pick up some steam if Colorado isn’t like 4-0/5-1 or something like that then 😂
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Wasn't there a whole schtick during the draft that Spencer Rattler acting like a jackass in those documentaries from high school gave GMs pause?
I mean, Rattler sucks. That's what gave them pause.
I mean, he didn’t live up to his hype, but I don’t know if I’d say he sucks. I don’t think South Carolina had much of an OLine, and seem to remember a lot of SC fans saying that Rattler was the only reason they didn’t lose almost every game. Obviously not a day one pick, but he has a lot of talent. His biggest downfalls were being immature and performing worse under pressure, two things that Sanders has struggled even worse with.
He’s the most talented QB we’ve ever had no joke so none of us will slander him even if he wouldnt have been at most programs. He made zero negative headlines in 2+ years at SC and shook the immaturity to be named by the team as captain (I know the QB almost always does but we haven’t heard any sort of word there was pause)
Yeah, he has potential to be great if he just does his job well and has a good coach to help him through. He has an upsides to be any QB in the league at this moment.
Idk why he gets hated on so much. He has a cannon and decent pocket awareness. His biggest weakness was slow/poor decision making. He has many of the same physical characteristics as Mahomes. He could have the best career of any QB in this draft with patience and good coaching. I definitely think he is a career backup tho.
I gained a ton of respect for Rattler while at USC. Despite getting blasted every game dude when out there and tried his hardest and seemed like he really cared.
Rattler made me a believer two years ago. He was unconscious against UT.
Sometimes I wonder if the extended covid years affected his time at Oklahoma. In heindsight it seems that having stacked rosters with extended covid year guys really made a difference for teams like Baylor, Pokes, and TCU. (Maybe KState but they are always kind of like that). I swear he wasn’t that bad as a freshman. He kept hitting our receivers in the hands and they kept dropping it against Iowa State. I feel like it killed him inside a little with each dropped pass. And then KState was just simply they will take advantage of you with the fundamentals of football and even an experience QB would struggle digging its way out of that. But he did just outright suck the next season and came back looking like Bart Simpson.
He never seemed bad to me. He also had insane expectations (I believe he was like top 3 Heisman favorite his freshman year before taking a single snap), which probably hurt his confidence when he inevitably disappointed. He had his worst game against his biggest rival, got replaced by a true freshman who came back to win, and was booed off the field. The mental toll of that is probably awful, and with QB being such a mental position, there aren’t many people who could come back from that. I always rooted for him at SC because I was hoping he could overcome that, and I think he did a decent job. Hopefully he can continue to grow in New Orleans.
It’s an unpopular take for the fanbase but I don’t think our receivers had great hands more than Rattler was bad. Second year rattler was a regression even if he had some unfillable shoes. But also what if we stuck with rattler and go got to have the success he found at SC. We didn’t stick with him so we didn’t get the fruits of his labor when he was more experienced. Would have loved having a Spencer rattler when we were out there running the wild cat with Davis bevile (whom should be in jail). He certainly went through a lot with us specifically so I do have a soft spot for him too and hope he finds success.
Its crazy he could have stayed at OU and been the starter for the rest of his career too. He didn't leave OU because of Lincoln Riley or Caleb Williams. He left because of the fans. At the end of the day the adversity has made him better tho.
Thanks for making this comment for me It gets tiring trying to defend Spencer Rattler to people who very clearly haven't paid any attention to him since he left Oklahoma
Absolutely incorrect and you definitely didn’t watch him play any full games, if at all. We sucked this past season mainly because we literally lost 2 starting olineman on the first drive of the first game against UNC for the season and have no depth at line cause we’re fucking South Carolina. Ratt didn’t make one negative headline playing for us in 2 years and he has all the tools as advertised as a 5 star - he can make every throw and has a rocket arm. We lead the SEC in dropped passes and he still broke our single season passing TD record (we don’t exactly have any prior stars at QB I’ll be honest). 100% agree with draft evaluators that his weakness and why he never “took the next step” is erratic decision making, he tries to play hero ball and forces some deep balls no question If he had decided to play for a better program I have zero doubt he would have put up bo nix stats and would be considered better than him
Bo Nix: “what he say fuck me for?”
Put Ewers behind a Swiss cheese OL and he’d suck too. Rattler did very well at the end of 2022 and did good enough with what he had last year. Don’t forget he threw for 5 TDs against #5 Tennessee in 2022.
That Tennessee defense wasn’t good
He did not suck lol
I mean, he’s an underdeveloped QB with elite physical characteristics who got taken midway through the fifth round. Look at where a similarly talented but underdeveloped QB, Anthony Richardson, got taken last year in the first round. Obviously comparing draft years 1:1 is a sketchy proposition, but even Aidan O’Connell got taken in the fourth round last year. I’d be surprised if Rattler’s history of behavior *hadn’t* been at least a factor in why he went so low.
Rattler falling to the 5th probably has more to do with 6 QBs going in the first than it does any type of character concern. How early can you reasonably expect the 7th QB off the board to go?
Definitely before that, and especially with Rattler’s talent. Here’s when the seventh QB in the draft was picked, going back to the change in the draft format in 2010. 2011: Ryan Mallett, 74th pick - mid 3rd round 2012: Nick Foles, 88th pick - late 3rd round 2013: Landry Jones, 115th pick - mid 4th round 2014: Tom Savage, 135th pick - mid-4th round 2015: Trevor Siemian, 250th pick - 7th round, comp pick. 2016: Connor Cook, 100th pick - top of the 4th round. 2017: Joshua Dobbs, 135th pick - mid 4th round 2018: Kyle Laulotta, 108th pick - early 4th round 2019: Jarrett Stidham, 133rd pick - mid 4th round 2020: James Morgan, 125th pick - mid 4th round 2021: Kellen Mond, 66th pick - top of the 3rd round 2022: Chris Oladokun, 241st pick - mid 7th round 2023: Stetson Bennett, 128th pick - mid 4th round So Rattler's the third-latest pick of that bunch.
Similarly talented? What? I have my doubts that Richardson will ever be successful in the NFL, but to say he’s similarly talented to Spencer Ratller is insanity. Richardson had arguably the best combine performance from an athleticism perspective of anyone ever at his position. The dude ran a 4.43 40 at 6’4” 244 lbs. He also had the second strongest arm in his draft class.
Thanks for saving me time typing this out, what an odd comparison. Just talking athletics, AR is a fucking freak lol.
Rattler and ARich are nothing alike. You can be critical or hopeful of either, but what a ridiculous comparison.
And i dont even really think it’s arguable. His numbers were impressive even if he was a linebacker or tight end
Or WR. Or LB. Basically any position on the field.
So as a Florida Gator fan, Anthony Richardson was drafted so high because they think he can be very similar to Josh Allen but even better athleticism. All but like 10 of Anthony Richardsons throws in college were terrible. However, those 10 throws were the most beautiful thing ever. He also has no trouble off the field or personality issues. I don’t think Spencer Rattler did either as he was like 18. There is no way Shedeur Sanders tanked his stock from these comments because if he throws 4500 yards 40 TDs and runs for 5 more, no GM will care about social media jabber.
The NFL has an accused sexual predator as one of its highest paid QBs, if they thought he was good they wouldn't care how he treated his teammates when he was 17 years old.
The media can't agree on whether it's that or if the teams who liked him were simply the Falcons and Broncos who both got their guy in the first round. We'll never know the real answer and it's probably both. He did himself no favors in high school, and 6 QBs in the first round makes it pretty likely that the teams really looking for a QB had somebody else higher on their board that they took.
Yeah it definitely wasn’t a schtick. Multiple media heads have said multiple teams mentioned it. Not one team, multiple teams.
Gee, I couldn't imagine why taking shots at former teammates would make you less attractive to coaches and owners who want leaders as QB.
Especially when you yourself aren’t playing winning football. The kid needs to focus on his own team getting to a bowl.
Yeah, like if he looked like the next coming of Tom Brady (not draft Brady, like Brady after 1-3 years in the NFL) and was acting like this, that would just make him a dick. Acting like this and also not demonstrating exceptional talent is way worse.
His dad already made it clear, they’re looking at draft status, not program success
Shadeur should both stop tweeting dumbass digs at former teammates if he is truly focused on draft status.
Which is the irony in all of this.
Plus you'll have to deal with Prime as well
I would say his top 5 draft stock is going to be hurt by the fact they won't win more than 5 games.
Tons of guys get drafted high with disappointing or lackluster college records. If he plays like a first rounder he will be one regardless of how shitty Colorado is. Giant “if” but still.
If he played like a first round talent they would have won more games.
Caleb Williams went 1st overall after going 7-5. Mahomes went 10th overall after going 5-7. Sometimes your team just sucks and the QB doesn’t get necessarily judged negatively for it.
Caleb Williams went 7-5 with the worst defense in the nation
And sometimes you blow a 29? Point lead to stanford in a half
Not usually the QB, though. For some reason it seems like wins matter more to their draft stock. Edited to add that Caleb Williams won the Heisman and went 11-3 the year before so the scouts saw what he could do. However, it’s obviously not *everything*. Look at Anthony Richardson.
Wins don’t matter to their draft stock. Its all about traits and projections to the NFL. If USC’s defense was *even worse* than it was these past couple years and Caleb went 0-24 while playing the exact same as he did how could any logical person use that against him?
I don't know why his stock was so high to begin with. Most don't consider Brady Cook to be "elite" yet his stats are very similar to Sanders for 2023, despite having a *much* harder schedule in 2023 than Sanders did.
It’s has to be because of his dad. Rattler seems very similar to Sanders. Both had a bad OLine, both are immature (though I feel like Rattler is pretty mature now compared to Sanders), both perform worse under pressure, and both had similar stats despite Rattler being in a significantly harder conference. Rattler fell to the 5th round. How anyone thinks Sanders is a first round pick is crazy to me.
I'll even argue for Rattler that you could clearly see his progression and improvement throughout his time at SC, so with the right coach his talents can become elite. Have yet to see that with Sanders, but without a maturity change like Rattler had, the odds of that happening are low
It seemed like people who usually aren't totally full of shit had him as a good draft prospect, maybe it's the measurables or something. There's usually a QB or 2 every year that didn't do anything special that get draft hype based on tools or throwing a football really really far on a practice field But players get dragged down in the Draft for much dumber reasons than this so he's gonna have to back it up
He’s athletic, and has a talented arm. It’s just that a QB should be a team leader, and Shaduer is showing over and over again that he has no leadership ability. While Sanders is a good prospect, teams aren’t going to ignore character issues unless they are fast and away the best talent in the draft, which Sanders hasn’t shown to be.
*daddy deion* the media *needs* clicks and attention. best way to get it is…. whatever the fuck this is.
I don't get it either. Didn't watch a lot of their games but in their first lost they got absolutely throttled, this guy fell apart so hard. Every time he even thought he was getting pressure, he would run out the back of the pocket, guy did not know how to step up.
The Real Housewives of CFB can't age out fast enough for me....
More like Keeping Up With The Sanders'
Keeping Up With The Douchebags is more like it.
Dude I’m loving this
Man you just wait until somebody sues the NCAA over eligibility restrictions. Then we’ll be stuck here forever
As a Colorado fan I just wish we could have a good team to root for for once in the last decade. Even 2016 amounted to an embarrassing PAC 12 final and bowl game.
Colorado goes 3-9 this coming season and everyone is off the Deion high
Just wait until they lose to North Dakota state on opening day.
North Dakota state might actually be Favored in that one, no?
Nah, we'll just switch to laughing gas.
This is my opinion, 100% not factual, I never saw Shedeur as a first round recruit. A lot can happen between now and next year. A lot of these guys do stupid shit - like taking crab legs heheh. Sometimes these occurrences hurt - most of the time they don’t. At this point in time, I am sure NFL GMs are quite familiar with dealing with guys with questionable character issues. The NFL isn’t exactly the standard bearer for respectfulness and integrity.
Surefire way to tempt Karma is to talk shit about a possible future achievement as if you had already done it lol....
Haha. Hey, I’m just giving my stupid opinion, which is often wrong. I didn’t think Jordan Travis was an NFL caliber QB, but hey the Jets may prove me wrong.
Idk how betting odds would really know this. I could be wrong, but aren't they mostly determined by the behavior of the public placing bets? The public responded to what we all thought was ridiculous, Sanders going #1 overall and bet on other people, lowering his odds. Or am I misunderstanding how that works?
Perhaps the real story here is that NFL GMs are placing big enough bets to shift odds
Is this the market manipulation I keep hearing about on r/wallstreetbets?
You also have to be a real degen to be making bets on where Shadeur is getting drafted *now* when he has a full season to play
This kid has bust written all over him. I don't care if he's super athletic and is Deion's kid. He's 100% not a leader, and will bust in the NFL. Guaranteed.
The Browns will probably give him a record contract.
He’s also got Raiders written all over him. Who, coincidentally, need a QB.
Yeah I did hear a way too early mock draft, and they had him going to Vegas.
“A player’s draft stock seems to be falling after continuously acting like a jackass all over social media.” Hm you don’t say lol
Deion and his entire family are low class and immoral pieces of crap. You could never trust any of them to not stab you in the back and talk shit. I’m not sure Shedeur gets drafted in the first round. Too much disruption caused by himself and daddy. I think many people forget that Deion had to be very actively managed by whatever team he was on so his behavior wouldn’t become disruptive. In other words they basically baby sat him at times. And if you draft Shedeur the whole clown show is coming if you like it or not. Just not sure a team wants to stake their future on him. He’s going to be a 2nd round pick or later.
Yeah this argument makes the most sense to me. Like the best case scenario is this guy is going to turn out like the balls in NBA. Yeah they could be good but are they good enough to warrant the dad trying to coach the team and stir up drama. Idk is it worth the risk? I’d say no
He’s his father’s son
Lol draft stock betting... basically just call it TMZ betting till the season starts. None of this shit will matter at the end of the day, tape will speak for itself. Unless someone saves a person drowning or pulls them out of a burning car or house there is never anything positive till the season starts again. Almost as if media has turned sports into a reality show you can bet on now without players ever playing.
/r/CFB in September: Why are Deion and Colorado getting so much media attention? /r/CFB in May whenever Deion and Colorado do anything:
Drama always sells in the offseason
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Common sense suggests Shedeur is hurting draft stock with social media behavior
Most NFL teams don't look to draft and invite cancer to the locker room.
Daddy sure as shit aint helping it either.
I'd suggest people put up "Shadeur is very mid at best" signs for Gameday, but given how bad they will be, I doubt we will see Colorado on there next season.
Nfl teams will draft someone under manslaughter investigations in the first round. Shitty social media posts won't affect them.
Maybe if he showed his wrist watch more?
On a similar note I wonder what Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell would have posted if they had Twitter and Instagram during their college years. The Sanders family is to college football what the Ball family is to the NBA: All hype, little substance. I canNOT wait for them to go away!
Are the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on the list of Deion approved teams?
If Spencer Rattler can get docked for how he was perceived on a reality show when he was 17, then this guy better get it too
The betting odds have literally nothing to do with draft stock, particularly this early, and just mean the general public think less of him now.
I would take him off my draft board if I'm a GM. He reminds me of Manziel with his attitude. Your QB has to be a leader and this kid only cares about himself. I wonder where he got that from
Wait til they see him play
Who cares?
GMs maybe?
Duh.... No one on the team is going to his birthday party
Sometimes talent outweighs character. He ain’t one of those.
End of the day, if Shedeur can play, his BS won't matter.
Didn’t seem to hurt Caleb Williams any. If he balls out they won’t care.
Won’t matter if he balls out. Top 5 pick if he plays great. Second round pick if he struggles. Hate him or love him he has talent and NFL gm’s are always looking for a new QB
I don't know... NFL doesn't seem to care all that much anymore. A few specific teams might, but most have gone the way of the Raiders at this point. None of this would stop Vegas from drafting Sanders if they thought he had the most talent. Remember when we used to hear about Wonderlic scores all the time? How long has that been?
CJ Stroud ?
Genuine question. It's anyone really surprised by this?
And I thought it was his 2:1 sacks taken to TD passes. You’d think the guy took take a hint and get rid of the ball sooner. Or maybe the coaching staff could instruct their o-line on the finer points of impeding defenders paths to the QB.
Boys, grab yur torches, we head in’ to Bowder
This guy is so fucking annoying
Will this be covered by the lame stream media as much as they killed Caleb for painting his fingernails and having a pink phone case?
The truth is he’s just the 5th or 6th best prospect arguably, the social media presence obviously doesn’t help tho
Game results suggest Mini Prime is mid, at best.
Yeah. No. I mean I’m sure he isn’t HELPING. But if he actually has a chance at going 1.01 (clearly, he does) this doesn’t mean jack shit
Don’t worry he will hurt it far more with his actual play
He’s a douchebag, no one wants that in their locker room. That’s why he plays for his daddy.
All I have to say is the first time Shedeur had to play against a Average Defense (I’m going off what everyone always says) in Oregon they had that boy running around like a chicken with his head cutoff 🤣🤣🤣🤣