Oh perfect, so mostly jobs that already have a ton of local competition in a sector that is already drastically underpaid compared to our American counterparts. Perfect, just what we need.
Honestly we gotta close the doors on any new tech (especially entry level) or food workers, what a fucking mess. Trades, healthcare, and educational workers are what comes to my mind when I think about what Canada actually needs. They need to be prioritized.
Seriously, STEM is one of the key paths to middle class in the country. I’m a tech contractor and I’ve worked with all major banking and telecom employers in the last five years. When I go on-site, entire floors of buildings are recent immigrants from one specific area. Meanwhile, most Canadians that I went to school with bailed overseas.
yes, and the knock on effect is the talented and trained/skilled ones leave. so you are left with a ton of new grads and junior professionals and very few people to train them or produce new jobs.
This exactly, we're all screwed because we're so acclimated to divide and conquer bs. More construction than any other point in this lifetime and union wages DECLINE.
This is directly opposing supply and demand.
I see it another way. For every 5 tradesman that leave their industry only one will join. This has lead to a drastic increase in pay for these skilled positions. I’m an automotive tech and I plan on doing a pre apprenticeship with my son when he turns 16. Sooner or later the trades will be undeniable with this pay system based off currently employed journeymen.
Honestly man, I've been doing this shit for 10 years.
Software engineering skills themselves aren't actually useful anymore. I mean that. Canada doesn't really have anything important it produces in the software space. Plus, the field is so fucked right now that there isn't really a software development minimum standard anymore. I mean, have you seen some of the apps developed by canadian companies?
What literally matters is nepotism. Make friends with people whose parents work at a company you want to work at. Or if your parents work at a company, beg them to beg their company for an internship
Will do! I try my best to make friends in and out classes, and I have serval simple but interesting side projects that are getting more complicated as I go. I genuinely love coding
No.
The doom-sayers are over-exaggerating things.
The keys to success in IT are:
- Shoot your shot, but accept rejection.
- Be realistic about your abilities. "Fake it until you make it" is only valid if you're willing to work until 3am to do the things you said you were qualified for but weren't really, and at 3am, you pull it off.
- Learn to do things someone else's way first then be able to prove why YOUR way is better.
- DOCUMENT! DOCUMENT! DOCUMENT! Documentation will save your ass.
- DO NOT!!! EVER!!! and I mean EVER do unauthorized work. No ticket, no work. No email, no work. If your boss says, "Can you do this thing". Say, "Can you put it in an email so I can properly understand and implement your request, and ask questions if necessary?"
- Funny problem solving charts (did you fuck with it? Can you blame someone else) are more accurate than first thought.
- You are replaceable and expendable, and the moment it benefits the company they WILL replace you.
- Did I mention documentation?
- Did I mention no tickets, no work?
- If you're good at something, don't do it for free. Unless requested to do so, via a ticket/email.
Yeah, I am a manager in tech, and my company can't fill the jobs we have, but we have high requirements. A senior needs to be a senior, not some dude with 4 years front end experience applying for a backend role.
Even for QA (my group) I get 100s of applicants, but none of them are qualified.
There are both experienced and new grad Canadians looking for work in trades, tech and in F&B. Like there’s really no shortage.
Every 6 months there are hundreds if not thousands of new grads, graduating who can be trained.
Food service supervisors 😂😂😂
And I know over 10 CANADIAN IT / computer programmers (my dad is one of them) that have been laid off and can’t find work.
I’m a site superintendent for a residential construction company and the only people applying for site jobs are Indians and they have NO experience or knowledge in the field let alone Canadian building practices. And no ability to communicate.
Red-seal journeymen in the trades have to update their qualifications if they go to a different province within Canada, but we’re going to let people who maybe build mud huts come build according to our standards?
This country is so fucked.
The fact that they are here and unable to communicate is a mistake. Yeah it sounds racist but what kind of job can you do if you can speak with anyone? I've met a cleaner last time, I was just asking something about the place but he ended up shouting at me LMAO.
Them people still building mud huts huh? And flying over in mud planes lol. This country is fucked, just like a few of the citizens as we can see 😂
Great build standards too btw.
>they have NO experience or knowledge in the field let alone Canadian building practices.
Heaven forbid that any construction company should *train* anyone!
It's not rocket science, FFS!
Kinda hard if u can’t communicate with them
My schooling was 4 years to be a superintendent (architect) and for a trade certification (red seal) is 5 years.
Also these students are known to not show up for classes so idk about learning they’d be doing.
Might as well teach Canadians. You missed the point advocating for replacing Canadian labour lol
Not rocket science but if building was so easy maybe we wouldn’t have SUCH a housing crisis
Communication will improve soon enough, if you give them a chance.
The notion that everyone on site needs to be a red seal tradesman with 5 years of training (lol- you can turn out a fucking *doctor* in that timescale) to be productive is absurd.
ok yeah let’s not use qualified people and then get mad when things are not up to standards and take longer than expected and needed.
I still don’t understand why we’d spend the money to bring these people over and train them when there’s tens of thousands of Canadians who work in construction that have been laid off and are waiting for the unions to give them work again. the same group of people who all want to come to Canada are the people who show up to site for their framewalk in flipflops and with children and babies on an active construction site even though they’re sent rules ahead of time ✨communication✨
so many people have been laid off because there’s not enough new projects starting because no one can afford to buy anymore because of the influx of new people in Canada and the influx of “investment” properties and rent gouging. Also a lot of people from different countries have become proficient in forging mortgage documents and financing records which since the CRA is cracking down on that, cuts even more people out of the new build market.
There’s no use in continuing to build and bringing people in to build if 95% of Canadians can’t afford what’s being built. On my site townhomes start at $1.2 million and detached $1.6 million. All townhomes are bought by investors and then sit empty. Condos are not great for everyone as condo fees are crazy and they aren’t great for raising kids, still new starts on condos are way down because they to are not affordable to most which means lots of Canadian high-rise workers are also with our work right now.
it’s crazy that you might not know EVERYTHING going on in an industry you’re not a part of.
>I still don’t understand why we’d spend the money to bring these people over and train them when there’s tens of thousands of Canadians who work in construction that have been laid off
I don't know. Perhaps they should try getting off their arses and applying for jobs at your site, since you claim that...
>I’m a site superintendent for a residential construction company and the only people applying for site jobs are Indians
Because my job site doesn’t need more tradespeople, it’s slow like the rest of the industry. That was implied as that’s what union workers are; tradespeople, but like we’ve already established you don’t know everything about construction, so you didn’t catch that.
lol that comment was referencing hiring assistant superintendents where you ABSOLUTELY need someone with experience who knows what they’re doing.
And just because they’re applying it doesn’t mean we have job postings, it means they’re spamming HR and individual workers on linkedin because we’re a huge company and they’re hoping they’ll get sponsored to come here.
If it’s so easy maybe you should try it! And then while you’re at it you can see how disrespectful some cultures are, especially to women like myself.
I don’t feel like getting an MOL violation fine for these people being unsafe because they have proven they can’t follow our rules and don’t want to listen, especially to a women.
Please read and research beyond CBC news, it’s not all rainbows and sunshine.
How in the hell do you manage to get downvoted by 7 people in the SECOND subreddit for Canadian housing?
You've got a talent for saying all the wrong things with 100% confidence
Once the condos and commercial buildings currently being built are completed there are going to be lots of unemployed people in trades. Most developers have cancelled future builds that weren’t already underway. The number of cranes you see will be cut by 75% and it will take years before we see new ones. The smaller builders started their layoffs late last year - the big players still have to finish what they started.
Bingo. We have a bunch of projects waiting for interest rates to fall before they start. Everything came to a halt around October, most of which needed to be finished. There were still unsold condo units at time of completion.
20+ years of IT recruitment. Run my own boutique firm. Last 5 years, 90% of applicants are Indians here "studying" / post grad work permit/ work permit. A lot of them get jobs because they will take less $ when a middle manager at ABC consulting or IT company that is also Indian and will hire them for bigger profit margins.
Even if we try to submit other races, we are still forced to submit 50 % from India. In 20 years I've had 1 person try to cheat on an Interview/technical assessment, last 5 years , every 2nd candidate recently from India is either caught cheating, lying, faking experience on resume, you name it. It's sad. In another 10 years 90% of canadian IT folks will be from India at this pace.
Lol I remember when Monster used to mark people from India as diversity hire candidates. Lol!! Find me a white guy now )
It's a whole nation of scammers, physically weak Indians that communicate at kindergarten level , it's like talking to toddler .
On-top of that they work for peanuts stealing jobs from our people , no more indians are welcome in Canada .
Doesn’t stop them from using fake nursing degrees and passing the nclex. All you have to do is pass it. It’s the practical side that then becomes very obvious and very scary for staff and patients to watch
People coming to Canada through the front door through the point system are not the problem. It's the easily exploitable loopholes that should concern us. Those include the TFW program and accidentally losing passport upon entry to Canada on a visitor's visa.
People coming through Canadas front door ARE a problem. The government is letting people in with no regard for what it's doing to our labour and housing markets. Housing in this country is disgustingly expensive, tech is in the worst job market in decades, and yet, from all over the world, they keep coming.
Are these people just straight up allergic to manual labour? I blame Hollywood for this. Make actors in roles have realist jobs. I’m not saying ditch digger either. legit trades are drowning in work and no one to do the job.
> Canada could need more than 500,000 additional construction workers to build the homes needed between now and 2030, according to a report by Royal Bank of Canada.
> Last year, Canada welcomed some 470,000 new permanent residents, and 2.9 per cent had trade occupations, including carpenters, contractors, electricians, plumbers and welders, the data showed.
https://financialpost.com/real-estate/immigration-boost-trudeau-homebuilding-ambition
We got a lot of temp foreign workers
or straight up under the table illegals on construction sites. Labor taking $20hr while the company bringing them into Canada charges $60hr. It’s a racket.
This also drives down the quality of work.
So, immigrants get well-paying jobs - bad
Immigrants take up jobs no one wants to do - bad
Immigrants have to take up an extra job to have their qualifications recognized - bad
You can't win.
Oh perfect, so mostly jobs that already have a ton of local competition in a sector that is already drastically underpaid compared to our American counterparts. Perfect, just what we need. Honestly we gotta close the doors on any new tech (especially entry level) or food workers, what a fucking mess. Trades, healthcare, and educational workers are what comes to my mind when I think about what Canada actually needs. They need to be prioritized.
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Seriously, STEM is one of the key paths to middle class in the country. I’m a tech contractor and I’ve worked with all major banking and telecom employers in the last five years. When I go on-site, entire floors of buildings are recent immigrants from one specific area. Meanwhile, most Canadians that I went to school with bailed overseas.
fellow bell employee?
yes, and the knock on effect is the talented and trained/skilled ones leave. so you are left with a ton of new grads and junior professionals and very few people to train them or produce new jobs.
^^despite what's reported trades are also being pushed down by this. And alot of trades are vastly underpaid when compared to American counterparts
This exactly, we're all screwed because we're so acclimated to divide and conquer bs. More construction than any other point in this lifetime and union wages DECLINE. This is directly opposing supply and demand.
Turns out when you have a "world" of supply it tips the scales
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We're already being paid half of what Americans are. It's going to be a minimum wage job pretty soon.
As a 1st year comp sci student, give it to me straight, am I fucked? (I’m in co-op and my first work term is soon)
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Yeah I’m usually for immigration but I don’t think we can call this immigration anymore, sadly
Almost all Canadians are for measured, judicious, mutually beneficial immigration. But that's not what we have now.
I see it another way. For every 5 tradesman that leave their industry only one will join. This has lead to a drastic increase in pay for these skilled positions. I’m an automotive tech and I plan on doing a pre apprenticeship with my son when he turns 16. Sooner or later the trades will be undeniable with this pay system based off currently employed journeymen.
Honestly man, I've been doing this shit for 10 years. Software engineering skills themselves aren't actually useful anymore. I mean that. Canada doesn't really have anything important it produces in the software space. Plus, the field is so fucked right now that there isn't really a software development minimum standard anymore. I mean, have you seen some of the apps developed by canadian companies? What literally matters is nepotism. Make friends with people whose parents work at a company you want to work at. Or if your parents work at a company, beg them to beg their company for an internship
Will do! I try my best to make friends in and out classes, and I have serval simple but interesting side projects that are getting more complicated as I go. I genuinely love coding
Just get a job in America like everyone in UWaterloo is doing.
No. The doom-sayers are over-exaggerating things. The keys to success in IT are: - Shoot your shot, but accept rejection. - Be realistic about your abilities. "Fake it until you make it" is only valid if you're willing to work until 3am to do the things you said you were qualified for but weren't really, and at 3am, you pull it off. - Learn to do things someone else's way first then be able to prove why YOUR way is better. - DOCUMENT! DOCUMENT! DOCUMENT! Documentation will save your ass. - DO NOT!!! EVER!!! and I mean EVER do unauthorized work. No ticket, no work. No email, no work. If your boss says, "Can you do this thing". Say, "Can you put it in an email so I can properly understand and implement your request, and ask questions if necessary?" - Funny problem solving charts (did you fuck with it? Can you blame someone else) are more accurate than first thought. - You are replaceable and expendable, and the moment it benefits the company they WILL replace you. - Did I mention documentation? - Did I mention no tickets, no work? - If you're good at something, don't do it for free. Unless requested to do so, via a ticket/email.
Yeah, I am a manager in tech, and my company can't fill the jobs we have, but we have high requirements. A senior needs to be a senior, not some dude with 4 years front end experience applying for a backend role. Even for QA (my group) I get 100s of applicants, but none of them are qualified.
Alot of that work has been sent to India because of the cheap labour ! Won't be any jobs left here eventually!!
There are both experienced and new grad Canadians looking for work in trades, tech and in F&B. Like there’s really no shortage. Every 6 months there are hundreds if not thousands of new grads, graduating who can be trained.
Food service supervisors 😂😂😂 And I know over 10 CANADIAN IT / computer programmers (my dad is one of them) that have been laid off and can’t find work. I’m a site superintendent for a residential construction company and the only people applying for site jobs are Indians and they have NO experience or knowledge in the field let alone Canadian building practices. And no ability to communicate. Red-seal journeymen in the trades have to update their qualifications if they go to a different province within Canada, but we’re going to let people who maybe build mud huts come build according to our standards? This country is so fucked.
The fact that they are here and unable to communicate is a mistake. Yeah it sounds racist but what kind of job can you do if you can speak with anyone? I've met a cleaner last time, I was just asking something about the place but he ended up shouting at me LMAO.
it’s like a Tim Hortons when ur entire order is wrong, that’s using fundamental English and they still can’t do it
Have you had the one where they get super angry when you go to exchange the coffee they fucked up? It’s lovely.
I genuinely love seeing them get angry, warms my sad little Canadian heart
Food service supervisor is just a fancy name for uber eats driver
Them people still building mud huts huh? And flying over in mud planes lol. This country is fucked, just like a few of the citizens as we can see 😂 Great build standards too btw.
>they have NO experience or knowledge in the field let alone Canadian building practices. Heaven forbid that any construction company should *train* anyone! It's not rocket science, FFS!
Kinda hard if u can’t communicate with them My schooling was 4 years to be a superintendent (architect) and for a trade certification (red seal) is 5 years. Also these students are known to not show up for classes so idk about learning they’d be doing. Might as well teach Canadians. You missed the point advocating for replacing Canadian labour lol Not rocket science but if building was so easy maybe we wouldn’t have SUCH a housing crisis
Communication will improve soon enough, if you give them a chance. The notion that everyone on site needs to be a red seal tradesman with 5 years of training (lol- you can turn out a fucking *doctor* in that timescale) to be productive is absurd.
ok yeah let’s not use qualified people and then get mad when things are not up to standards and take longer than expected and needed. I still don’t understand why we’d spend the money to bring these people over and train them when there’s tens of thousands of Canadians who work in construction that have been laid off and are waiting for the unions to give them work again. the same group of people who all want to come to Canada are the people who show up to site for their framewalk in flipflops and with children and babies on an active construction site even though they’re sent rules ahead of time ✨communication✨ so many people have been laid off because there’s not enough new projects starting because no one can afford to buy anymore because of the influx of new people in Canada and the influx of “investment” properties and rent gouging. Also a lot of people from different countries have become proficient in forging mortgage documents and financing records which since the CRA is cracking down on that, cuts even more people out of the new build market. There’s no use in continuing to build and bringing people in to build if 95% of Canadians can’t afford what’s being built. On my site townhomes start at $1.2 million and detached $1.6 million. All townhomes are bought by investors and then sit empty. Condos are not great for everyone as condo fees are crazy and they aren’t great for raising kids, still new starts on condos are way down because they to are not affordable to most which means lots of Canadian high-rise workers are also with our work right now. it’s crazy that you might not know EVERYTHING going on in an industry you’re not a part of.
>I still don’t understand why we’d spend the money to bring these people over and train them when there’s tens of thousands of Canadians who work in construction that have been laid off I don't know. Perhaps they should try getting off their arses and applying for jobs at your site, since you claim that... >I’m a site superintendent for a residential construction company and the only people applying for site jobs are Indians
Because my job site doesn’t need more tradespeople, it’s slow like the rest of the industry. That was implied as that’s what union workers are; tradespeople, but like we’ve already established you don’t know everything about construction, so you didn’t catch that. lol that comment was referencing hiring assistant superintendents where you ABSOLUTELY need someone with experience who knows what they’re doing. And just because they’re applying it doesn’t mean we have job postings, it means they’re spamming HR and individual workers on linkedin because we’re a huge company and they’re hoping they’ll get sponsored to come here. If it’s so easy maybe you should try it! And then while you’re at it you can see how disrespectful some cultures are, especially to women like myself. I don’t feel like getting an MOL violation fine for these people being unsafe because they have proven they can’t follow our rules and don’t want to listen, especially to a women. Please read and research beyond CBC news, it’s not all rainbows and sunshine.
How in the hell do you manage to get downvoted by 7 people in the SECOND subreddit for Canadian housing? You've got a talent for saying all the wrong things with 100% confidence
Nah. I've got over a thousand karma points, despite going looking for trouble. ;)
God you're delusional. Stop playing hero and start paying attention.
Get off your high horse
I'm perfectly grounded.
Advertising and marketing professionals? They aren't even from North America how the hell are they "experts" lmao. They don't understand our culture.
Once the condos and commercial buildings currently being built are completed there are going to be lots of unemployed people in trades. Most developers have cancelled future builds that weren’t already underway. The number of cranes you see will be cut by 75% and it will take years before we see new ones. The smaller builders started their layoffs late last year - the big players still have to finish what they started.
Bingo. We have a bunch of projects waiting for interest rates to fall before they start. Everything came to a halt around October, most of which needed to be finished. There were still unsold condo units at time of completion.
20+ years of IT recruitment. Run my own boutique firm. Last 5 years, 90% of applicants are Indians here "studying" / post grad work permit/ work permit. A lot of them get jobs because they will take less $ when a middle manager at ABC consulting or IT company that is also Indian and will hire them for bigger profit margins. Even if we try to submit other races, we are still forced to submit 50 % from India. In 20 years I've had 1 person try to cheat on an Interview/technical assessment, last 5 years , every 2nd candidate recently from India is either caught cheating, lying, faking experience on resume, you name it. It's sad. In another 10 years 90% of canadian IT folks will be from India at this pace. Lol I remember when Monster used to mark people from India as diversity hire candidates. Lol!! Find me a white guy now )
We really need Wage Tariffs. Half of these jobs are already outsourced to Indian firms like InfoSys and TCS.
It's a whole nation of scammers, physically weak Indians that communicate at kindergarten level , it's like talking to toddler . On-top of that they work for peanuts stealing jobs from our people , no more indians are welcome in Canada .
Where are the heathcare workers? Doctors, dentiist?
their medicine and dentistry degrees don’t transfer over, doubt the nursing does either
Doesn’t stop them from using fake nursing degrees and passing the nclex. All you have to do is pass it. It’s the practical side that then becomes very obvious and very scary for staff and patients to watch
Software engineers. Yeah we couldn’t find any of those in Canada. Wtf
Don’t forget Bell call agents. Especially when you need something done quickly. Fuuuck me.
To be fair the software ones aren’t very skilled either
People coming to Canada through the front door through the point system are not the problem. It's the easily exploitable loopholes that should concern us. Those include the TFW program and accidentally losing passport upon entry to Canada on a visitor's visa.
People coming through Canadas front door ARE a problem. The government is letting people in with no regard for what it's doing to our labour and housing markets. Housing in this country is disgustingly expensive, tech is in the worst job market in decades, and yet, from all over the world, they keep coming.
As for people coming in through the front door, the people themselves aren't the problem, just the numbers are.
The country doesnt need those professions anymore. We produce enough and the tech industry is contracting due to higher interest rates
Well, I guess they don’t need anywhere to live, we have the “social capacity.”
That's ok. The housing stock is gonna build itself.
Are these people just straight up allergic to manual labour? I blame Hollywood for this. Make actors in roles have realist jobs. I’m not saying ditch digger either. legit trades are drowning in work and no one to do the job.
> Canada could need more than 500,000 additional construction workers to build the homes needed between now and 2030, according to a report by Royal Bank of Canada. > Last year, Canada welcomed some 470,000 new permanent residents, and 2.9 per cent had trade occupations, including carpenters, contractors, electricians, plumbers and welders, the data showed. https://financialpost.com/real-estate/immigration-boost-trudeau-homebuilding-ambition
And it shows in all the buildings going up
Notice how they are NOT healthcare workers....we aren't paying healthcare professionals enough to come or to stay in Canada
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Oh wooow I'm shocked to hear that we aren't getting a) medical professionals b) skilled tradespeople. Who could have predicted this?
We got a lot of temp foreign workers or straight up under the table illegals on construction sites. Labor taking $20hr while the company bringing them into Canada charges $60hr. It’s a racket. This also drives down the quality of work.
So, immigrants get well-paying jobs - bad Immigrants take up jobs no one wants to do - bad Immigrants have to take up an extra job to have their qualifications recognized - bad You can't win.