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ContentThug

There isn't. Anything you do say will be interpreted as rude.


zephyrmox

Yup, this is one you just suck up.


rasteri

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get drunk on a train.


Abquine

I was just thinking sitting next to the manager was always handy when travelling as he paid, plus after a couple you could get all sorts of juicy tit bits out of him šŸ˜‚


mrtheduke

Nb. Messing with his tit bits may result in a strongly worded email from HR.


Deep-Albatross-9152

I'm just glad he or she didn't use the awful and incorrect "tid bit"


Strong_Engineering95

So today I thought I learned that tidbit is incorrect. However, it is just the form generally preferred in the US and NA. It's not actually incorrect, and originates from the phrase 'tyd bit' https://sesquiotic.com/2014/05/04/titbit-tidbit/ https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/titbit


PurplePhilosopher820

I'm more irritated than I should be that you've written "US and NA" rather than "US and Canada"


Abquine

Nah, he was a lascivious git and would have loved it šŸ˜‚


KnownBandit

Pause


Ravenser_Odd

Sit next to the manager, but wear headphones and a sleep mask for the entire journey.


Ro0z3l

Sounds like you need the Cinco Face Time Party Snoozer!


JustAMan1234567

The manager is basically just a chilled out entertainer.


Individual_Milk4559

Friend first, boss second. Probably entertainer third


TehBigD97

Everet, Milligan, Cleese.... Sessions.


flexo_24

Thatā€™s not me in bed with another man called David


winch25

I suppose I've created an atmosphere where I'm a friend first and a boss second. Probably an entertainer third.


Scared_Cricket3265

I hope he brings his guitar.


Lumpy_Ice_2618

šŸŽµšŸŽµšŸŽµ Free Love on the Free Love Freeway šŸŽµšŸŽµšŸŽµ


UpForConversations

That's lunch


Rosswaldo

Winnersh


1lemony

The love is free and the freeways hard


Generic-Name237

**I got some** hot love on the hot love highway, goinā€™ home, cause my babyā€™s gone!


Friendly_Captain9042

Sheā€™s deeaaaddd. Sheā€™s not dead!


PepsiMaxismycrack

We add this line to sooooo many songs when we are singing them


Kvothe_XIX

On the Free Love Railway, surely!?


TheToolman04

He went home at lunch and got it.


Jonny_Segment

There goes David Brent. I must remember to thank him.


Frosty_Ad5725

He went home to get it


Ok-Understanding9891

I prefer a flan


AlShapone

He went home to get it.


Over_Recording_3979

He'll go home to get it anyway


G0RTEK

My name is David I can verify this


Gullible-Function649

I read this as cheese sessions and was about to volunteer to sit next next to your manager.


bbw4me1234

Tremendous šŸ˜‚


CheesyMoustache

Strings to Brent's bow ... a) philanthropist


cbren88

ā€œBrent mused.ā€


TheGrandPudu

Brent quipped...


captainsquawks

Both in our thirties.


Jonny_Segment

*Born in* the ā€™30s, more like!


Legitimate-Assist819

Look at the state of you


Horombey

Hungā€¦ like a shire horse


Smooth_Control3813

Assistant TO the Manager


BassIck

Agreed. It would be less complicated to murder him.


DGSmith2

Bonus points if you find someone on the train to do it.


Extension-Cucumber69

I canā€™t think of any precedent that would suggest finding a Stranger on a Train to do that for you would be a bad idea


Glass-State-20

Throw manager from the train!


PepsiMaxismycrack

Criss cross!


desutiem

Correct answer. Just take the L - accept it will be a long work day. Itā€™s better for the long haul.


FatStoic

More than rude, the manager will think OP doesn't like them personally.


Actual-Money7868

Don't think he does tbf šŸ˜‚


kidad

I travel a lot with work, and while what you say is generally true, thereā€™s wiggle room. Think about when you are on a long journey with a friend - what would you do then? On an 8 hour flight with my wife, for example, we donā€™t chat the whole way. We read, watch movies, listen to podcasts etc. Weā€™ll obviously check in with each other now and then, but you get the situation as Iā€™m sure it is one youā€™re familiar with. With a work colleague, it is not identical, but you can take some of it and apply. If you bring your laptop and are getting ahead with work for the day - perfect. You might not even be working the whole time - they wonā€™t know. How about a newspaper or book? Let the chat lull and have a read. Itā€™s not rocket science, but use your common sense here. You canā€™t ignore your colleague completely, but you also donā€™t have to entertain each other for hours.


throwmeawayidontknow

I think it depends how often you're travelling together, if its something that's usually done and how long the journey is. The longer the journey the less rude it is to busy yourself. If you travel often it becomes more casual because of that. I think its rude in this case because the manager seems excited about it, I just think there are some social expectations that go along with work and you can't avoid it without seeming rude. Not that it is rude, but people will think it is more often than not.


rogog1

"Accidentally" booked the train before and had to rush to make it on the day, so didn't let boss know. Ignore messages along the way. They probably won't really care anyway.


No_Butterscotch_9527

This post is a beautiful collision of Britishness and Redditism


pootsmanuva

Beautiful. It really is. Have spent the evening with some Germans trying to explain all manner of British-ness from eating sausages for breakfast (wurst? For breakfast?) to what "spill the beans" means - adding to more breakfast confusion. I've got no chance of explaining this sub šŸ„°


AssumptionEasy8992

Very strange, seeing as a traditional Bavarian breakfast isā€¦ sausages


TheHeroYouNeed247

I remember trying to explain to Americans what a "cheeky nandos" (or just a cheeky-anything) means. Sometimes you stop and realise how stupid some of it must sound.


hayh

I've lived in this country for 16 years and I still don't understand it. Anytime I ask someone to explain they just shrug and admit it's stupid. I get that it's stupid but what does it mean šŸ¤£


I-am-Chubbasaurus

As I understand it, what makes it cheeky is that it's a treat you haven't necessarily "earned" or aren't really supposed to be having. Tbh, it's less stupid and more revealing that apparently it's so ingrained we can't allow ourselves to just have something nice for the sake of having something nice. We have to do something to "earn" it first.


hayh

That's the best (read: only) explanation I've had, thank you!


FullMetalCOS

Whatā€™s really stupid about it is the belief that Nandoā€™s is a treat. Itā€™s just fucking chicken


ImaBluntCunt

TIL having a ā€œcheeky Nandosā€ = šŸ“šŸ†


Steve1980UK

If I ever hear anyone say 'Cheeky Nando's' I grimace, a little bit of sick comes up and I think... What a whopper! And not the Burger King kind.


Professional-Two8098

We say cheeky in front of lots of things. A wee cheeky wine tonight etc. Nandoā€™s was just really popular at the time with lads etc . It just means you probably shouldnā€™t really be doing it but youā€™re gonna be cheeky and do it anyway to treat yourself. Whatā€™s so hard to understand?


SkunkDiplo

The cheeky Nandos is not a Nandos which is unearned. It's a Nandos which is squeezed in to the schedule unexpectedly, so becomes cheeky.


Environmental-Bag-77

It's a collision of naivity and bad manners.


Breaking-Dad-

I understand your point but I cannot imagine getting the same train as my manager or any colleague and not sitting with them, it's just the nature of things. Have things changed in this regard? I'd definitely say you don't want to lose your seat reservation though, so sit there and let your manager find you. If it is busy it won't happen.


5n0wgum

I'm an older millennial and worked with a younger millennial. He had to go to London with our boomer boss for an event. Our boss assumed they would hang out in the hotel and go for a curry after work etc. I assumed this would be the case, like being away from home and having a few beers with a work colleague type of thing. The younger lad was like no chance. He made all these plans to spend time on his own and to visit friends in London after work etc. Our boss was visibly hurt by the idea.


_Yalan

I'm a millennial and have done both, the difference being when I've wanted to take advantage of geography to visit friends or make plans, I've voiced that desire in passing in front of the people I'm travelling with at the point of the trip being mentioned. In my opinion it would be incredibly rude to ditch someone on the day.


Manannin

Exactly. Coming from someone who tried otherwise and ended up coming across dickish or passive aggressive,Ā  the best way to address it is early, directly and clearly stating intentions.


milly_nz

This. Iā€™m Gen X and have done exactly the same. So long as you raise it immediately the trip is mentioned - AND get everyoneā€™s agreement - most colleagues have no problem. Doing it on the regular would be rude. But if itā€™s only occasional (and because the person/reason is very important in your life) then there is rarely any pushback.


minimalisticgem

Maybe I just donā€™t get it. If youā€™re on a business trip youā€™re expected to hang out with your coworkers and boss the whole timeā€¦?


Wanderlustfull

>In my opinion it would be incredibly rude to ditch someone on the day. Counterpoint - it's just as rude to assume someone is entitled to your time outside of work hours, even if you are on a work trip. At least ask or invite.


tup99

Thatā€™s not the norm though. Youā€™re using logic over custom, but in reality rudeness is determined in relation to custom not logic


Rich_Photograph2859

If ur travelling to somewhere with someone how is it rude to assume theyā€™ll be hanging out with you šŸ˜­


Safe_Community5357

It's work. How is that concept, not hitting home? "I want to be best for "the work thing", so I'm going to nap on the train and clear my head on my own when we get there see you at the "work thing". It's not hard to be honest or lie. Whichever.


Rich_Photograph2859

Why did you put the comma in that sarky sentence? Genuinely wondering. Was it to be extra sarky. It doesnā€™t fit :P


bifurious02

>In my opinion it would be incredibly rude to ditch someone on the day Id say it's more rude to feel entitled to somebody's time just cause you're on a work trip together


Connell95

Youā€™re on a work tripĀ - the clue is kind of in the name. Itā€™s hardly a surprise that people will often expect to hang out together a bit in the evening. Itā€™s basic rapport-building ā€“ shouldnā€™t be the most challenging thing in the world.


osrsOllie

Iā€™m 23 and I would have assumed that we would be hanging out haha , you always want to impress your boss and outside of work is the time to do it


james_pic

Don't go out for dinner with your boss because you want to try to impress them. Go out for dinner with your boss because they're paying.


[deleted]

Iā€™m really not that broke that this would ever be the reason. Iā€™d go for the progression on my career, not for some free chicken.


ian9outof10

Yeah, itā€™s good bonding time. We used to do it and a few beers and food and someone will do or say something mildly stupid thatā€™ll amuse everyone for a bit.


Keggs123

You can normally tell the colleagues who have been of work trips together, they have a tighter bond, and normally a better relationship. I would certainly want that with my boss.


Safe_Community5357

No... It really is not. A good boss understands cost. If you give him your time for free.... You are a mug.


QuickShort

I'm a medium millenial and I'd expect that any evening plans would be made in advance, with the company paying if we were going to dinner or the pub. Nothing too involved, just a "who's in" in slack.


tofer85

If youā€™re a medium, you should be able to read their mindsā€¦


spectrumero

But remember - a well done medium is rare.


New-Eye-1919

I had this a few years back, was on a long term project so staying in a hotel with the rest of the project leads. We had our own projects going on, in the same geographical region so work put us all up together. Most of us would meet up after work, get food, few drinks etc. There was one lad who, for whatever reason, just didn't....ever. It created a distinct rift - for one, most of us did take it a bit personally. Wouldn't ever even nip in for a beer. And for two, he found himself quite left out because we were debriefing most nights, sharing issues/pain points/tips and so on. I can see both sides - I did a few weeks abroad, with a manager who may aswell have been my grandad. It was fucking hard work, and I did tactically retreat a few times and tell him I'd got my own plans. Again, though, we did do stuff - it's just....playing nice isn't it. I think people who actively avoid this stuff are missing out - getting a personal connection with people is good.


pootsmanuva

I know Casual is all about the bants, etc, but I would make a plea to consider the neurodiverse amongst us. When I have to do all day work things with actual people, I finding it very mentally and physically draining, like my social battery is run down, and the thought of having to spend more time with people would make me want to actually weep. When my line manager cottoned on to this, and explained to the rest of the team, everyone understood just fine. And with the upside of when I did socialise out of hours, it was all the better! People "actively avoid" things for more reasons than meet the eye, innit. Right. Rant over, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk etc etc


NoTtHeFaCe1963

I am currently sat in this situation. Like, in the hotel room right now. There are two pregnant women in my team, and everyone else has kids. It is all they talk about, no exaggeration. I am infertile and have no interest in having kids besides. We went out for dinner and drinks and in the entire three hours, I literally said two sentences. I wished more than anything that I could have just taken a book into a nice restaurant and read for a bit with dinner.. As nice as I am sure they all can be, there is just no space for me to connect and I really just wanna go home...


Parsley-Playful

I'm Autistic and Gen X. To work, I'm performing a character, and that's *exhausting AF*. When I finish work, and the time leading up to work, are transition times, & I'm mentally processing. I'm frequently unable to speak at these times. If I'm forced to socialise in these times, I will start to shut down, or even meltdown. If I see people I work with on the bus, I ignore them. I *have* to. (I have emailed people who take the same bus as me and explained what's happening). I know that in regular-person-world that reads as rude, but in my world, all their rules - forcing people to be social etc - is extremely rude. In answer to OP's question, I would say to the boss that the journey is essential processing time, and will allow me to be able to be present and fresh during the day, and ask if we can catch up with coffee once we arrive. After 50 years of trying to fit in to regular-people-rules, resulting in nightly meltdowns, I need to be Autistic first and British second.


ManyFaces1984

What a refreshing post to read, so relatable. Well Done.


silasgoldeanII

yes, exactly. It's very hard though isn't it, as you know how it's being perceived.


No_Flan7305

It's weird, this def used to be me when I was in my 20s. I felt so overstimulated, and in new places, around a lot of new stuff and plans, I needed as much rest time as possible. Every interaction when i was younger felt like a little social quiz that I could fail if I didn't put full conventration into the interaction. I didn't want to spend time with my boss or other people or strangers, i wanted to do the thing and go back to my hotel room and relax. I was tired, it was tiring. I didn't dislike them, it was just a lot! In my 30s, it's not my favorite thing to do, but it's bearable and I can force myself to have a decent time. I see the value in having those moments with my coworkers where we get to know eachother beyond all the stuff we have to force eachother to do. It creates a moment where we can be people and remember that when our day to day stuff hits. My relationships are better with people now. I do actually slightly get something out of it now that benefits us all. That said, as a millenial I would never hold it against someone else for wanting to just ride alone, eat alone, rest, and get the job done. I get it, and it doesn't mean they don't like me or my company. I think maybe that's just a weird conept for older generations or neurotypical people who don't ever feel that overstim/social drain.


marbleyarncake

Yeah, Iā€™m ND and my company have at my request excluded me from having to attend mandatory company events where thereā€™s socialisation because after a day of work my social battery is often in minus figures and I have to spend an evening being quiet to recover. Weā€™re a young firm with a really good DEI initiative and I am very open about why I donā€™t socialise with colleagues if they ask. Seeing people in this sub expecting 10+ hours of being around people inside and outside of work hours are genuinely making me break out in goosebumps šŸ˜‚


silasgoldeanII

yeah I've done this throughout my career too. People take it as being rude but honestly sometimes I just don't have it in me. Now I'm older it's a bit better but over the years it's been a big issue. I even got a new job and they invited me out for 5 a side and pizza before I'd started. can you imagine that? So I accidentally got lost after the football and couldn't find them again. Job didn't go at all well. Best thing is to find a company where these kinds of situations don't emerge in the first place.


pootsmanuva

Yikes! Sports AND socialising? I'm lucky that I now work in a university with a thriving ND network and we have our own Teams type chat where we can cry over seemingly trivial things like the lighting in the office. And I'm part of a team I'm happy to socialise with but they all know after an hour or two, I'm going to head home. Conversely to you, I found it way easier when I was younger and I'm a much more sensitive pickle in my 40's.


BearWade

Seconding this. I'm physically disabled and aftrt a full day I am trashed. I've been asked to go to an event in a few months and planning it and attending will take up a lot of physical and brain energy. Adding time on in the evening to socialise might end me.


Logical_Rutabaga3707

Absolutely - am neurodiverse (amongst other things) and I donā€™t drink. People donā€™t realise how loud they get after ā€œjust one or twoā€ and I honestly canā€™t stand it. If I even attend work events I only stay for an hour max and thatā€™s usually because theyā€™re in the same venue as the initial conference and Iā€™m just waiting for the food to come out before I go.


MrTwemlow

As much as I agree with all the people saying that it shouldn't be expected to socialise outside of work, the fact remains that a lot of connections are made outside of official meetings, and being able to rely on those personal connections can get things done where otherwise you may find resistance. I agree, this may not be fair for those who prefer to avoid social events, personally I don't enjoy work social events either, but it's also a human trait that we prefer to work with, or help, those with whom we have a personal connection. I'm in complete agreement that people shouldn't be shamed or blamed for not socialising with work people, but in reality, they probably will be missing out.


cleopatraboudicca

Actually, 'just playing nice' is a ridiculous expectation. After work is my free time, if I don't like the person/have nothing in common with them spending time with them is just draining tbh. I for once never feel like I've 'missed out' if I'd gone to recharge my batteries in the way that pleases me. I'd be resentful spending time with someone I don't want to spend time with.


Tomoshaamoosh

See, I'm also a younger milenial, and I just couldn't understand doing that. It just seems so rude to me. I know that not everybody has to be friends outside of work, particularly with different levels of seniority etc, and that everybody is entitled to some boundaries but to not extend a bit of grace and socialise with a coworker you are out of town with for one night? Couldn't be me.


vanadlen

Oh shit, Iā€™m the old guy dragging my colleagues out here.


JustAMan1234567

I don't agree with that in the workplace!


unicornhair1991

When I've gone away for work with colleagues we all get paid for the entire time away so even though we have breaks and get our own hotel rooms it's understood you're there to work quite a lot and be with your colleagues. Or is that abnormal? The times we spent apart were sleep time, in the mornings before breakfast and an hour or two after 5pm and before dinner. We had to have dinners with business people we were meeting though so that was technically work too. I also got one afternoon to myself but I had to go do some drone photography while the others investigated a golf course (AKA they raced the golf buggies around it lol). They were jealous I got to play with the drone and I was jealous I missed out on big silly dodgems lol


FrickSpez2023

I'm 32 and I'd much rather spend my free time doing things I enjoy rather than socialising with colleagues. I spend enough time with them during work hours, my evenings are my own. But everyone's different


VandienLavellan

Iā€™ve never been to London so Iā€™d definitely want to do my own thing if it was my first trip. The boss would be welcome to tag along but the hell would I hang around a hotel with him


TheINTJ-Girl

Idk what I am if gen z or millennial (Iā€™m from 1996) but when I see ppl on the train that I know from work I just say hi and only sit with them if invited. I have coworkers younger than me who have told me they want to listen music and recharge and that is perfectly acceptable and I leave them alone. Also I donā€™t feel guilty of telling coworkers or managers I donā€™t want to hang out after an event. Iā€™m just sincere and tell them I need time alone after a long day of talking with other ppl. Nobody has ever been offended by this as far as I know. And I always follow the most basic obvious rule for interaction when in public transport ā€¦ If you know the person but they have headphones on DONT BOTHER THEM they probably donā€™t want to talk.


SquareComparison2908

I'm 19 and I'd go for curry.


SwirlingAbsurdity

Iā€™m 36 and if Iā€™m sharing a train down to London with colleagues Iā€™ll just say to them, ā€˜Iā€™m not a morning person and this is nothing against you but I just want to spend this journey listening to podcasts. The second we hit Euston/Marylebone, you have my full attention.ā€™ Itā€™s never offended anyone so far and I have some great relationships with my colleagues.


No-Total7070

I totally agree. A work trip (if travelling with colleagues) start the moment youā€™re travelling together. Conversations usually are a mix of work and other topics and Iā€™ve found out a lot more useful internal work info (or office politics šŸ«£) when travelling with colleagues as youā€™re out of the office and people tend to be more open. Also, you donā€™t talk the whole journey - who wants to. The convo will die or you can politely say youā€™re going to have a nap or listen to some music once the initial conversations start to dwindle, especially if itā€™s just two people


JimCoo1

Are you travelling during working hours? If you areā€¦ youā€™re working, buddy.Ā 


diff-int

Even if you aren't travel in work hours, you are working and should be being compensated...and also have to sit by your boss


Glass_Commission_314

This could be a topic of conversation for you both, during the journey.


Hermeran

Sorry but this is a terrible idea lmao. How do you expect that interaction to unfold? > *OP and their manager sitting on the train, awkward silence* > OP: soā€¦ how much are you paying me for this train trip? If you wanna have that conversation have it before the trip. Not during, when the manager is probably looking for a light, casual chat over coffee?


Dingleator

Yes that is how I would see it too. For me, any excess travel time to your usual commute, which would be any travel if you wfh would be classed by me as working. Happy to speak to the boss as I would do if I was working.


ASheerDrop

Yeah if this were your normal commute to the office you'd be in a better position to say 'hey this is my quiet time/me time, no offence but can we catch up later?', but if you're travelling in work hours or your contract would consider your travel time to a work event as work hours (even if they're outside your normal hours), you gotta just suck it up


Advanced_Doctor2938

Took some scrolling down to find this. Exactly right.


LookingThroughtheFog

I get what you're saying but sometimes putting a bit of time in with a manager can pay you back in spades . Having built up good relationships with various managers in the company I work for has helped me in so many ways. Hay I need X day off for reasons is that cool .... Yup no problem I could really do with getting home early on Friday my kid had a thing I'd like to see .... Sure no problem I'm really not sure how to get X thing done .... Don't worry I know someone who's great at that I'll put you in touch. There's a million reasons to keep friendly with those higher in the company and it's one morning one trip to make the effort on . It's worth it in the long run to just suck it up for one morning.


windowlickers_anon

I wonder if itā€™s occurred to OP that the manager isnā€™t *super* excited about sitting together either. They are being a good manager and providing OP with some one-on-one casual time to network/mentor in an informal setting. The manager is good being up his morning too, Iā€™m sure heā€™d rather listen to a podcast or catch up with his kids. Edit: a word.


kewpiesriracha

I was going to say just tell him the truth... But this is what I would do . It's a great opportunity to strengthen your relationship with your manager and get a lot more out of it. Tbh so far the managers I've had I've built great relationships at work anyway, so I'd probably not do this with them - also because they're not the type of people who would ask me to, because they were all very life-work balance minded anyway. So I guess it depends on the manager, what type of work you do, what type of work opportunities you are looking for. For example, if it was Michael Scott, I'd run the other way šŸ˜‚


Logical_Rutabaga3707

Yeah I agree with this. Sometimes I reply to my manager about mundane things early in the morning on text because I know she will take note of me being occasionally online at those times, or it just build a rapport that Iā€™ve definitely been able to take advantage of for difficult situations at work. On the flip side, now I have this relationship Iā€™m also able to just say ā€œhey Iā€™d rather sit on my own and use the time to make sure im mentally prepared for the dayā€ and my boss will just be fine with it. Pick your battles I guess.


LookingThroughtheFog

That's a very good point once your manager gets to know you as a person it's easier to say you need an hour down time .


Is12345aweakpassword

I love the idea that in true British fashion, the manager is probably on this sub, reading these replies, just as OP intended. Zero interaction, problem solved.


-SaC

Manager goes home sadly to his lonely house. *"Thought I'd made a friend,"* he tells the spider plant that wouldn't bother to reply, even if it could. *"I guess it's just you and me again."* As Mr Manager eats cold beans from the can in front of a flickering telly showing nothing but black and white repeats of Heartbeat, the spider plant summons all of its strength and hurls itself into the sink, straight down the rubbish disposal and into blessed oblivion.


fifadex

How do you tell your manager (Vodafone Steve Cooper, 32 peacock Avenue), that you (Vodafone data analyst, Andrew Bolton, Sheffield) don't want to sit next to him on the train (08:55 from Hull to Heathrow, Tuesday 16th July) to the Company management conference?


leoberto1

You just gotta sit with the guy. The consequences for not outweigh the joy you would get from sitting along. Having said that hey if you didn't see where he sat that morning your good. You'll have an excuse


ratbacon

As I'm often the boss on the other end of this I'd be mortified if someone was sat with me who genuinely didn't want to be there. I'm an introvert and would be more than happy to sit by myself. However, these sorts of trips are a great way to talk to people and get to know them on a more genuine level. I've sat with plenty of bosses in the past, I had a five hour car trip with one that started at 4.30am. They never turn out as bad as you think they will. At the end of them you also feel like you know the person a lot better than you would of spending six months with them in an office.


Agincourt_Tui

It's money in the bank. Getting to know your boss on a more personal level greases the wheel for future favours and good-standing


Death_God_Ryuk

Nothing more British than both forcing yourselves to make small talk, both assuming it's what the other person expects.


KindRoc

If youā€™re travelling during working hours that means youā€™re working mate. Suck it up and fake interest in those spreadsheets. However your manager is a human too and probably just wants to chat.


RPMANU

Also he could feel more comfortable saying letā€™s discuss work, when in reality he just wants to talk in general.


osrsOllie

Iā€™m 23 and if Iā€™m being honest if I got the train to work and my boss was on it and talking to me, Iā€™m sitting with them everyday, you want a good bond with your boss and having an outside of work chat goes a long long way with how they feel about you , think of it that youā€™ve already made good terms with them before youā€™ve even started your day, you have the whole evening to yourself so a train journey isnā€™t too much


Legitimate-Ladder855

This is the real answer, especially as the guy says he likes his boss. You'd think this was obvious. I'm not a morning person either and I'd still just persist, if I come across rude I can use words to explain that I'm a bit tired still.


getoffthebandwagon

Had this with an old manager once, just spoke to her in a casual way about it. Turned out she was of the same opinion, and was quite happy to sit apart. On a later trip she even went as far as to just say ā€œIā€™ll meet you in Londonā€, despite us departing from the same station.


capickle

Same. Idk why everyone is being so dramatic about it. I've had work journeys where I've told bosses and colleagues I'd prefer to sit separately bc I like my own space. I'm perfectly friendly and well liked at work. Maybe I just don't wanna be in 'work' mode for a multi hour journey. Let a gal listen to podcasts and stare out the window.


SimsSummer1

That second comment suggests they weren't happy about it to me... I'd also be of the same opinion if someone said they didn't want to talk to me... fine, don't want to sit with someone who doesn't want to sit with me, wouldn't be happy about it... Idk the context though!


Games_sans_frontiers

Just us, a pile of Chinese food and a couple of 'fuck off' spreadsheets.


Organic-Objective552

A succulent Chinese meal


Zybillx

... A cheeky Chinese even


stickycomet

Whoosh


Zybillx

Also whoosh? There is an entire thread on this post about the British use of the word cheeky before food.


stickycomet

I just had to whoosh you because it was a missed opportunity to continue the comment. But alas, good one.


WhatAnEpicTurtle

Do you wanna make shed loads of freakinā€™ money?


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SwirlingAbsurdity

I just say Iā€™m not a morning person. Itā€™s not a lie and everyone knows it. It works and people leave me alone on these kind of journeys. It helps that I make up for it with too much talk once Iā€™m fully awake, though.


iSolaced

Do the British thing and miss the train, catch the next one.


Oxysept1

My very first business trip & I was booked next to my manager on an 11hr flight in coach, like that the guy was ok ā€¦. But ā€¦.. We get to the airport check in & were told see the agent at the gate - we were both upgraded to business class but unfortunately they wouldnā€™t have seats together for us - a pause & then together both of us a little too eggar said oh thatā€™s unfortunate but also we take it. Thatā€™s when I realized my Mgr no more wanted to spend 11hrs with me than I with him. !!!!


samtiff_uk

I have been in this exact situation as boss, peer, and employee. Just tell him. Some of the commenters on here must have crap bosses and colleagues from what I am reading. Be honest. "Hi Mr Boss man. Been thinking about that train journey. I really would appreciate having the time to myself on the journey to make sure I am in the right head space for the day." If he takes offence, he is a dick! I have had this discussion both ways and it's never been a problem.


Previous_Estate5831

Tell your manager that you suffer from travel sickness and it would be better for them if you say with headphones and closed your eyes on your own.


pyner87

Get stuck in traffic, your car breaks down, your bus is running late, an old lady fell over in front of you and needed help. Just make something up mate and get the next train.


Ok_Refrigerator8312

Hide in the toilet and say you had the squits.


10Hundred1

Yeah, you just have to do it now really. Heā€™s expressed interest in getting to know you more and itā€™s a good move to just sit there and be cool. It will pay off in the long run to be on good terms. In the future, just try to avoid booking the same train if you can. Figure out when they are travelling and claim some reason why you have to go a bit later.


Conman2k01

I wouldn't id just move.


halidkyazim

But your manager himself prob does not want to talk about job outside of work hours. Than this is a test, show him that you are interested in your job.


Odd-Bus-2154

Nah, just quit mate. Only solution


KeepinTheBalance

Sounds like a business trip and you probs getting paid?


FellatioWanger3000

You've reserved your seats, the seats around either of you may also have been reserved. Just say to him, that in case you have to move if you sit near him, you'll come find him about half way into the journey when you can best judge availability near him. That way you only have to spend half the journey next to him, worse case that is, or just don't bother and say you were reading/listening to a podcast and just forgot.


samwisethelemon

Tell him you get travel sickness so like to put on headphones and try to get some shut eye. Perhaps you'll still sit next to him but can give you an excuse to chuck on some headphones and shut him out? Maybe it won't work but worth a shot!


MannsyB

Just sit with him. Honestly wtf??


Aggressive_Zombie_58

Just say you've had a long week, and is it it okay if you chill and sleep on the journey, catch up near the end (but you don't) Or, get on late, go to other end of train. Say you couldn't find him. Or, be late, missed the train, damn! Roadworks/traffic /partner telling me she is pregnant but its not mine. Get a different train.


AaronBorough

I didn't have this issue, luckily. My boss knew I wanted to learn and would just about do anything when on shift, but the second I clock out, don't try shit. Mutual respect. People are just like animals, give off a tone or a certain attitude and they'll understand it. Like if your boss is calling you outside work and you aren't someone they should be relying on, don't pick it up. They'll get the message, but if they don't, then I guess be blunt. That could ironically be a double-edged sword, though so just have to be careful in how you word it. Idk maybe " listen (insert name or title) I'm willing to learn and take on more responsibilities but work hasn't started yet and this is my personal time, so with all truly due respect (i add the "truly" because ive always hated that expression) could you sit somewhere else".


FamousBrat

honestly just tell him u love talking to him and everything but you like your time on the travel home to be solo, and it's not just for him it's for anyone so he dont think anyone


Mountain_Lie7195

Miss this train or book an early train or Get on a call, excuse yourself and keep speaking to someone or the other or just act like you're on call.


Zestyclose-Note1304

ā€œSorry, i get travel sick / donā€™t do well on trains, and i just need to rest on my own / wonā€™t be very sociable on the journey.ā€ Embellish to taste.


Limp_Reporter3378

Manager I donā€™t want to sit next to you


dry_omen902

Find out whereā€™s heā€™s going to sit, then ā€œoops, I missed the train, but Iā€™ll get on the next one!ā€ Proceed to sit as far away as possible from whatever carriage heā€™s in.


TheINTJ-Girl

Maybe you can just tell them you try to travel with headphones on bc you get motion sickness?


Glum-Gordon

You could feign travel sickness and what works best for you is music and some shut-eye or rest/silence


RoHo-UK

I guess it depends on the broader context around your role and relationship. Is a promotion coming up? Is this a useful opportunity for 'face time' with your manager. If so, it would probably be best to suck it up. If there's nothing notable on the horizon, I'd probably politely ask him to align on anything needed for the conference ahead of time so you're fully on it and suggest you stick to your assigned seats where you can just review everything properly at your own pace.


AmAlrightSpider

Don't shower for as long as possible so you eminate eau de tramp parfum. Maybe rub raw onion garlic and marmite on your face and clothes, buy a skunk and agitate the critter so that it sprays its anal glands with its pungant rotten egg jizz on your clothes. This should ensure the manager keeps their distance. Alternatively tell them you would like to sit away from them as you suffer from claustrophobia as your bedroom was under the stairs in between visits to Hogwarts college of Wizardry.


Straight-Geologist51

Keep farting, coughing, sneezing etc... Blowing into your tissues. Maybe that'll work.


Velldog

Miss the train get the next one


TallIce2914

Just sit next to him and be boring, heā€™ll get sick of you


Interesting_Bad6993

Im a employer. If i was paying you and it was on your time i would expect you to sit next to me. If your travelling out of work hours there should be no obligation. Otherwise, fake a headache and some time to rest, hangover, insomnia the list is emdles good luck


Z4CCYZ4C

When they engage in conversation say ā€œsorry I have a headache and i didnā€™t get much sleep last-night, so I need to rest.


all-homo

If itā€™s a on off, suck it up. If itā€™s ever day then bun that.


Gwanosh

If its within working hours you're just shit outta luck. If it's not say you'd like to catch up on some sleep, reading something important, listening to a podcast you've made a habit of hearing at *that time, that day* of the week etc


jaggs117

Use duolingo and say you learning a language?


FuckIshitreal

Are you getting paid whilst travelling? If so, then honestly, you should be just trying to crack on with work. But you could always pull off the "travel sick."


vindic8or

Just another one of reasons why I hate life... This shit is insanity. I we have to jump hoops to get a moment to ourselves. Being an introvert in general is an absolute curse, especially in big cities.


vindic8or

I'm currently a NEET and this thread reminds me how much I hate working. I can't stand all this shit, the work interactions, the clawing for escape... I have no place or future in this world.


--rafael

Just bit the bullet. It's just one train ride, what's the worst that can happen? Just talk to him for a bit and don't worry too much


Annelie5e

Iā€™ve had this issue before and lied and said I have to finish my book club book cos we were meeting really soon. Can also be an audio book ;)


Smart_Department6303

Tell him you'll video call your wife or some uncle that lives in australia and you only talk to once a month so want some privacy.


Hotdeathking

Seize the opportunity to build a relationship with the manager, you donā€™t always get this amount of time with them. To hint that you would rather not travel with him would be very politically un-savvy.


OkRelationship770

Just say it as it is. I personally don't care about the infamous British custom of beating around the bush. I prefer speak ability like the Dutch routinely engage in, especially in Amsterdam. They call it bespreekbarheid.


Huge-Entrance6132

Say that you want some time to be alone for a while (everybody wants some alone time)


manifestfrenzy

You will have to seat next to your manager- suck it up, I promise you it wonā€™t be as bad as you think


paultbangkok

Telling him you don't want to sit with him is a career limiting move. A term my boss introduced me to.


Losername19

Say you're doing online family therapy and does he mind if you sit seperately for a while so not to disturb him. Then never go back to your seat.


Bitter-Woodpecker-39

Lie, say you get travel sick and say what helps you sleeping/listening to music or something that makes you not great to sit next to


TSLAKILLA

Tell him that you get travel sick and you usually just have your head down most of the journey, talking to people or focusing on things makes you feel ill.


soyoufoundmeagain

Get on the train a little late..or maybe wesr a little disguise so he don't notice or see you, till you get to where your going, or maybe bring a book, so he sees it, or even bring some big ass beats headphones and blast some music... they not like us


Safe_Community5357

"To be fair mate. I get motion sick, I will be taking anti travel sick meds that makes me drowsy. So I won't be good company, I will be napping."


Virtual-Pea-6311

If you know anyone that needs to talk about anything to him, tell him ā€˜I think he/she said it was urgentā€™. He may or may not go looking for them. If you donā€™t know, then I donā€™t really have any other ideas