I can sort of see where you’re coming from here, but this is not at all a productive or useful line of thinking. Circumcision is commonly perpetuated by men, specifically fathers wanting their sons to be like them, which is a terrible excuse for something like this. Either way, it’s not like it’s exclusively women advocating for circumcision.
Anyway MGM is a complicated issue, and so are slavery and the holocaust. I don’t think it’s worth comparing them though. We can recognize that all are bad in different ways without making comparisons like this.
Male circumcision was likely created by men (I’d like to bet on it), carried out by mostly men yet people still want to blame women.
I was never breastfed as a baby, rest of my family - cousins etc were for over a year, including my mum herself . The reason is my mum said she chose not to as she didn’t want to feel like a cow. I am peeved as I realise the long term immune programming and there is evidence that it impacts on long term health. I have an inflammatory condition and wonder if I would had I received the nutrition designed for me. No one I know quite feels the importance of this apart from me they think I’m pathetic. Now this is an example where I can blame my mum.
I actually don’t like breastfeeding, I’ve seen multiple cutter moms praising breastfeeding, and I was breastfed, so I associate breastfeeding with cutting.
But human milk is what a baby is supposed to have
I honestly see you as very lucky (just that you received the milk designed for you, I’m not talking circumcision) as you had the nutrients meant for you and your immune system was primed for life the way it should be.
Your view is interesting maybe the type of mothers to agree to circumcision and breastfeed are the type to follow recommendations/see them as gospel etc
Although I view circumcision as very wrong, just know there will be aspects of your upbringing that others will wish they had had. It might lessen the anger a fraction, I dunno.
Though I am not in your situation I do know how it feels to have that feeling of unfairness/being treated unequally hanging over you.
It literally can’t be it does nothing for the immune system in terms of antibody development and immunity training etc.
Formula is good as a backup but increases risks of health conditions both short/long term if evidence is to be believed
It’s logical to be jealous and angry over the unequal treatment.
What are you gonna do about it?
Does it help you to make posts comparing women to slaveholders and murderers, simply because they’re protected and we’re not?
You know it’s not just women perpetuating this shit, and you know they’re not the only ones who don’t give a fuck.
I’ve talked to countless, COUNTLESS, “I’m fine” bro’s who are literally missing parts of their dicks and don’t care. These guys typically, not always, sign up their kids to be mutilated like they were.
I get the general sense that you’re just raging because they’re protected and we’re not. I get it. I feel like puking every time I see a “my body my choice” sign at a pro-abortion protest. Women and men who support them are hypocrites when it comes to the bodily autonomy of males. But guess what? Everyone’s a hypocrite on the issue except Intactivists. Even MRA are only like 75% Intactivist’s and 25% are “I’m fine” bro’s.
I know how you feel, man. If you’re gonna rage against women publicly and pin most of the blame on them, I hope it’s helping you to process your negative feelings or something. Most people who respond to you are gonna say you’re a bigot, and the white knights are going to get nasty and say it was mainly your parents’ fault.
But a mutilated man inflicting it on a child is less evil than an intact woman inflicting it on a child. I feel about women the same way Anakin did about Obi-Wan after he had been defeated on Mustafar. Screaming “I HATE YOU!”
American women are the reason this persists. I’ve been fully engaged in this issue for a long time and it’s always the mothers who are interested in having their son’s penis cut. There have been a number of theories as to why this is. It seems to be a combination of things. First and foremost being ownership. “That’s my baby and I’ll do what I want.” The other reason given is because they liked the way the mutilated penis looks. Maybe it feels safer to them. The other thought is latent resentment toward men and they are psychologically getting back at the men who they think wronged them by cutting their son’s penis. I recognize that sometimes it’s the dad who had been cut that wants his son to look like him. However, in almost all instances where this is done it’s the mother who signs off on it. Can’t have men having too much pleasure or the ability to masturbate comfortably without lube 🤦♂️. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
I kind of get your point. A pro-circ intact woman will always be vastly more evil than a pro-circ cut man (or even intact man) as she’s speaking from a place of protection. A resentment towards women for cut men is highly understandable, especially when there’s a lot of women who villainise men while also gaslighting them on this issue.
Obviously though, sexism needs be kept away from the activist side of the movement. It cannot be publicly associated with intactivism and needs to be disavowed by it. In spaces like this for venting and sharing its fair.
We are not criticizing anyone other than the monsters who enable and perform the horrific procedure on us. Forced circumcision is torture and mutilation done in a inhumane manner. Strapped down like an animal and our flesh torn from our bodies without any anesthesia. Woman in the usa are protected from genital mutilation why are infant boys not? Its insanity. If parents agree to have this done to their infants sons they should be in the room and watch the torture they have agreed to being perpetrated. Nature put the foreskin there for normal functionality to the penis. Thousands of pleasure nerves and veins for natural blood flow.
My father and grandfather both not circumcised. allowed my mother to make the decision. Its ridiculous. I asked her .so it would be ok to allow my sisters to get the equivalent having what is called genital mutilation done to them? She said of course not. The doctor recommend it. So what ever bs the doctor recommends go with it. So ignorant..not even looking at the procedure to see what surgery is being done to your new born child. His first ptsd on the earth. Tortured. Imagine cutting off your ear with no anesthesia.
These similes don’t work for me.
The abolition movement was rooted in philosophy that was rooted in European culture.
Circumcision is very much upheld by men - take a look at who’s in the circumcision task force of the AAP e.g.. Uncounted men feed women the narrative that they are ok with circumcision. All the male doctors doing the cutting, etc.
People feel as they feel. But your feeling of misogyny isn’t supported by logic.
All the male doctors doing the cutting?
In the U.S., pediatrics, obstetrics and nursing are the specialties that do the cutting, and they are dominated by women. The President of the AAP and ACOG is a woman.
In the U.S., infant genital cutting appears to be largely in the domain of women from the clinical side of things.
Most intactivists wont even acknowledge this point.
I find it sensational that likely 75%+ of infant boys being mutilated is at the hands of “my body, my choice” female physicians.
Even though this whole thing is a mind fuck that is a particularly perverse situation.
Can you provide evidence for that? I only have anecdote evidence but of the handful of couples I’ve discussed this with the women were far more receptive. The argument of consent and bodily autonomy seems to resonate more with them. More of the men dismiss it immediately because “I’m circumcised and I’m fine”.
I read it on an intactivist site years ago.
In my own life, the rare occasions I’ve brought it up in real life, men have been more receptive.
Also, women are coming from a position of privilege, where they are protected and we are not, which increases my anger towards them.
the sad thing is slavery in the usa has stopped long ago, and the holocaust is a event in of the past, and both are widely seen as awful. where as male genital cutting happens every day and very few see it as the grand evil it truly is.
Being cut doesn’t justify being anti-Semitic or misogynistic. There aren’t a bunch of Jews and women protesting to make sure every man is cut. Hating them for an act perpetrated by your parents makes no logical sense.
Anti-semitism isn’t justified because the vast majority of Jewish men are victims of this practice, too. Misogyny is, though, since women are protected in America and all other Western countries.
I agree they have suffered - but their religion is the reason they suffered, so anti semitism is completely justified. Those jewish men should do something about it. They should renounce their evil, supremecist, genital mutilating religion.
Setting aside the fact that the supposed manifestion of the christian (jewish) god was circumcised and christians are told to emulate him, and the whole fruit of the poisoned tree - christanity is a death cult that extols weakness and tells it's followers to accept the evils of this world because this world - the only world we can ever know - is actually false. Christianity is insanity, weakness and spiritual death.
>by an act perpetrated by your parents
His parents didn’t create the circumcision beast. His parents didn’t hold the knife or create the cultural myths.
The fact that they were permitted into this country, the USA, is the reason I was cut. Other anglo countries circ rates have gone way down - not here. The fact that they wield their substantial political and financial influence is the reason that countries like iceland and the netherlands were not able to pass bans on the practice. Their disgusting, evil genital mutilating religion is why, that they are permitted to exist is why.
To your point they have been allowed into other countries and the rates are lower. That indicates that there is something else going on here in the US. A 70-80% difference between the US and other Anglo countries cannot be explained without the introduction of another variable.
Women specifically are not the cause for circumcision.
We have been wronged, and because of that we want to create a perpetrator in our minds. This is tribalism and is deeply ingrained in the human psych. We must be careful not to unjustly assign blame.
Who really did this to us? It wasn't women. Organized religion is the most obvious culprit. Followed by doctors who get kickbacks, followed by politicians in the 90s addressing the AIDS epidemic..
I asked my mother why she elected to have me circumcised, her primary reason is that my dad knew what it was like to have a penis and be cut so she felt he knew best. Second was she thought the glans had all the nerves so it didn't matter. And third, the doctors in 1987 said it would prevent STDs.
She was shocked when I told her I never wanted to be cut. Her decision was made from a point of misinformation and misplaced trust. I don't believe she ever intended misery upon me but rather what she believed was best for me.
Have you talked to your mother about what was done to you?
No, and I don’t care. Even if she thought it was the right thing, she still chose to put her opinion ahead of my bodily autonomy. No forgiveness. Never. Ever.
You don't care? Who are you trying to convince?
I don't see how you couldn't care, you are the one that brought mothers into this conversation after all, and you are the one who has sworn no forgiveness. It sounds like you care deeply, and until you can admit that to yourself you are going to struggle to find peace.
There was a time when I struggled greatly, I know how you feel, I used to be filled with anger just like you. If you need someone to talk to or need support maybe even guidance send me a DM. This community cares about you and your hardships.
I don’t care why my mother did it. I don’t forgive my mother. She can never make up for it. You can condemn someone for what they did without caring why they did it. Do I care why Hitler invaded Poland? No. I condemn him for it regardless of why he did it.
Nooo! Dont make the rest of us look like hateful incels. Making broad statements about women is wrong.
No, it isn’t. They are protected, we are not. Mothers sign of on most circumcisions, fathers do not. We need to become more misogynistic, not less.
You are a piece of shit.
I know you are, but what am I?
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Why are you even in this sub if you just want to gaslight victims despite being intact yourself?
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Why do you hate me?
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Get out of this sub.
I can sort of see where you’re coming from here, but this is not at all a productive or useful line of thinking. Circumcision is commonly perpetuated by men, specifically fathers wanting their sons to be like them, which is a terrible excuse for something like this. Either way, it’s not like it’s exclusively women advocating for circumcision. Anyway MGM is a complicated issue, and so are slavery and the holocaust. I don’t think it’s worth comparing them though. We can recognize that all are bad in different ways without making comparisons like this.
It’s mostly the mothers who sign off on it, and someone with intact genitals cutting someone is worse than someone with cut genitals cutting someone.
Male circumcision was likely created by men (I’d like to bet on it), carried out by mostly men yet people still want to blame women. I was never breastfed as a baby, rest of my family - cousins etc were for over a year, including my mum herself . The reason is my mum said she chose not to as she didn’t want to feel like a cow. I am peeved as I realise the long term immune programming and there is evidence that it impacts on long term health. I have an inflammatory condition and wonder if I would had I received the nutrition designed for me. No one I know quite feels the importance of this apart from me they think I’m pathetic. Now this is an example where I can blame my mum.
I actually don’t like breastfeeding, I’ve seen multiple cutter moms praising breastfeeding, and I was breastfed, so I associate breastfeeding with cutting.
But human milk is what a baby is supposed to have I honestly see you as very lucky (just that you received the milk designed for you, I’m not talking circumcision) as you had the nutrients meant for you and your immune system was primed for life the way it should be. Your view is interesting maybe the type of mothers to agree to circumcision and breastfeed are the type to follow recommendations/see them as gospel etc Although I view circumcision as very wrong, just know there will be aspects of your upbringing that others will wish they had had. It might lessen the anger a fraction, I dunno. Though I am not in your situation I do know how it feels to have that feeling of unfairness/being treated unequally hanging over you.
Formula is just as good.
It literally can’t be it does nothing for the immune system in terms of antibody development and immunity training etc. Formula is good as a backup but increases risks of health conditions both short/long term if evidence is to be believed
Source?
The evidence is everywhere but here’s one piece https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/joim.13619
Still, I would have rather been intact and formula fed than mutilated and breastfed.
It’s logical to be jealous and angry over the unequal treatment. What are you gonna do about it? Does it help you to make posts comparing women to slaveholders and murderers, simply because they’re protected and we’re not? You know it’s not just women perpetuating this shit, and you know they’re not the only ones who don’t give a fuck.
It’s mostly women and they are the ones who are protected. I don’t have to like them.
I’ve talked to countless, COUNTLESS, “I’m fine” bro’s who are literally missing parts of their dicks and don’t care. These guys typically, not always, sign up their kids to be mutilated like they were. I get the general sense that you’re just raging because they’re protected and we’re not. I get it. I feel like puking every time I see a “my body my choice” sign at a pro-abortion protest. Women and men who support them are hypocrites when it comes to the bodily autonomy of males. But guess what? Everyone’s a hypocrite on the issue except Intactivists. Even MRA are only like 75% Intactivist’s and 25% are “I’m fine” bro’s. I know how you feel, man. If you’re gonna rage against women publicly and pin most of the blame on them, I hope it’s helping you to process your negative feelings or something. Most people who respond to you are gonna say you’re a bigot, and the white knights are going to get nasty and say it was mainly your parents’ fault.
But a mutilated man inflicting it on a child is less evil than an intact woman inflicting it on a child. I feel about women the same way Anakin did about Obi-Wan after he had been defeated on Mustafar. Screaming “I HATE YOU!”
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Incel alert!!!🚨
https://www.reddit.com/r/CircumcisionGrief/s/LKjCnpODcN
American women are the reason this persists. I’ve been fully engaged in this issue for a long time and it’s always the mothers who are interested in having their son’s penis cut. There have been a number of theories as to why this is. It seems to be a combination of things. First and foremost being ownership. “That’s my baby and I’ll do what I want.” The other reason given is because they liked the way the mutilated penis looks. Maybe it feels safer to them. The other thought is latent resentment toward men and they are psychologically getting back at the men who they think wronged them by cutting their son’s penis. I recognize that sometimes it’s the dad who had been cut that wants his son to look like him. However, in almost all instances where this is done it’s the mother who signs off on it. Can’t have men having too much pleasure or the ability to masturbate comfortably without lube 🤦♂️. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
I kind of get your point. A pro-circ intact woman will always be vastly more evil than a pro-circ cut man (or even intact man) as she’s speaking from a place of protection. A resentment towards women for cut men is highly understandable, especially when there’s a lot of women who villainise men while also gaslighting them on this issue. Obviously though, sexism needs be kept away from the activist side of the movement. It cannot be publicly associated with intactivism and needs to be disavowed by it. In spaces like this for venting and sharing its fair.
We are not criticizing anyone other than the monsters who enable and perform the horrific procedure on us. Forced circumcision is torture and mutilation done in a inhumane manner. Strapped down like an animal and our flesh torn from our bodies without any anesthesia. Woman in the usa are protected from genital mutilation why are infant boys not? Its insanity. If parents agree to have this done to their infants sons they should be in the room and watch the torture they have agreed to being perpetrated. Nature put the foreskin there for normal functionality to the penis. Thousands of pleasure nerves and veins for natural blood flow.
My father and grandfather both not circumcised. allowed my mother to make the decision. Its ridiculous. I asked her .so it would be ok to allow my sisters to get the equivalent having what is called genital mutilation done to them? She said of course not. The doctor recommend it. So what ever bs the doctor recommends go with it. So ignorant..not even looking at the procedure to see what surgery is being done to your new born child. His first ptsd on the earth. Tortured. Imagine cutting off your ear with no anesthesia.
These similes don’t work for me. The abolition movement was rooted in philosophy that was rooted in European culture. Circumcision is very much upheld by men - take a look at who’s in the circumcision task force of the AAP e.g.. Uncounted men feed women the narrative that they are ok with circumcision. All the male doctors doing the cutting, etc. People feel as they feel. But your feeling of misogyny isn’t supported by logic.
All the male doctors doing the cutting? In the U.S., pediatrics, obstetrics and nursing are the specialties that do the cutting, and they are dominated by women. The President of the AAP and ACOG is a woman. In the U.S., infant genital cutting appears to be largely in the domain of women from the clinical side of things. Most intactivists wont even acknowledge this point. I find it sensational that likely 75%+ of infant boys being mutilated is at the hands of “my body, my choice” female physicians. Even though this whole thing is a mind fuck that is a particularly perverse situation.
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Can you provide evidence for that? I only have anecdote evidence but of the handful of couples I’ve discussed this with the women were far more receptive. The argument of consent and bodily autonomy seems to resonate more with them. More of the men dismiss it immediately because “I’m circumcised and I’m fine”.
I read it on an intactivist site years ago. In my own life, the rare occasions I’ve brought it up in real life, men have been more receptive. Also, women are coming from a position of privilege, where they are protected and we are not, which increases my anger towards them.
the sad thing is slavery in the usa has stopped long ago, and the holocaust is a event in of the past, and both are widely seen as awful. where as male genital cutting happens every day and very few see it as the grand evil it truly is.
This is a psychotic thing to say out loud, king. Please get into therapy.
No, it isn’t. It is an unpopular and harsh truth.
No, your rhetoric is literally psychotic.
No, it isn’t. It is accurate
Being cut doesn’t justify being anti-Semitic or misogynistic. There aren’t a bunch of Jews and women protesting to make sure every man is cut. Hating them for an act perpetrated by your parents makes no logical sense.
Anti-semitism isn’t justified because the vast majority of Jewish men are victims of this practice, too. Misogyny is, though, since women are protected in America and all other Western countries.
I agree they have suffered - but their religion is the reason they suffered, so anti semitism is completely justified. Those jewish men should do something about it. They should renounce their evil, supremecist, genital mutilating religion.
Many of them do. Look up Eric Clopper.
Good! That religion, all the abrahamic religions, need to be stamped out. I remain anti semetic because the religion is evil.
Not all Abrahamic religions promote circumcision. Most Christian denominations reject it.
Setting aside the fact that the supposed manifestion of the christian (jewish) god was circumcised and christians are told to emulate him, and the whole fruit of the poisoned tree - christanity is a death cult that extols weakness and tells it's followers to accept the evils of this world because this world - the only world we can ever know - is actually false. Christianity is insanity, weakness and spiritual death.
>by an act perpetrated by your parents His parents didn’t create the circumcision beast. His parents didn’t hold the knife or create the cultural myths.
The fact that they were permitted into this country, the USA, is the reason I was cut. Other anglo countries circ rates have gone way down - not here. The fact that they wield their substantial political and financial influence is the reason that countries like iceland and the netherlands were not able to pass bans on the practice. Their disgusting, evil genital mutilating religion is why, that they are permitted to exist is why.
To your point they have been allowed into other countries and the rates are lower. That indicates that there is something else going on here in the US. A 70-80% difference between the US and other Anglo countries cannot be explained without the introduction of another variable.
The USA is their powerbase. There is no other country with as many jews. Their religion says they need to circumcise their slaves.
Thank you for not being afraid to say it as it is.
Women specifically are not the cause for circumcision. We have been wronged, and because of that we want to create a perpetrator in our minds. This is tribalism and is deeply ingrained in the human psych. We must be careful not to unjustly assign blame. Who really did this to us? It wasn't women. Organized religion is the most obvious culprit. Followed by doctors who get kickbacks, followed by politicians in the 90s addressing the AIDS epidemic..
Mothers sign the circumcision form usually.
I asked my mother why she elected to have me circumcised, her primary reason is that my dad knew what it was like to have a penis and be cut so she felt he knew best. Second was she thought the glans had all the nerves so it didn't matter. And third, the doctors in 1987 said it would prevent STDs. She was shocked when I told her I never wanted to be cut. Her decision was made from a point of misinformation and misplaced trust. I don't believe she ever intended misery upon me but rather what she believed was best for me. Have you talked to your mother about what was done to you?
No, and I don’t care. Even if she thought it was the right thing, she still chose to put her opinion ahead of my bodily autonomy. No forgiveness. Never. Ever.
You don't care? Who are you trying to convince? I don't see how you couldn't care, you are the one that brought mothers into this conversation after all, and you are the one who has sworn no forgiveness. It sounds like you care deeply, and until you can admit that to yourself you are going to struggle to find peace. There was a time when I struggled greatly, I know how you feel, I used to be filled with anger just like you. If you need someone to talk to or need support maybe even guidance send me a DM. This community cares about you and your hardships.
I don’t care why my mother did it. I don’t forgive my mother. She can never make up for it. You can condemn someone for what they did without caring why they did it. Do I care why Hitler invaded Poland? No. I condemn him for it regardless of why he did it.
Good comparison here with this
Thanks!
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I hate this sub. There are so many reasonable people, and then theres people like this. Makes us all look like hateful idiots.
Right! It’s so embarrassing to breathe the same air as wannabe Anakin Skywalker over here….