He got hurt, told the coaches how he was going to play with Snyder's backing, couldn't develop as a pocket passer, was benched for Cousins, left for the Browns, continued to not develop as a passer, went to the Ravens, and still couldn't develop enough to remain a backup. Lots of things besides an injury.
certainly hope that history does not repeat itself but seems like an all too likely scenario for the new guy. praying it works out though but damn I’ve been burned by this already lol
10 years, a completely different owner, and all new FO. If you think JD can't throw from the pocket, please watch all his throws from a game. He only got better as the year went along.
https://youtu.be/lXAGu5xBfHE?si=grkm4V42xX8dq66_
I’ve watched every throw from 2023 season. definitely a better arm than rg3 no question. but rg3 had the goat LT and shanahan system to help him. we’re gonna have either wylie or a rookie for JD’s rookie year… tough to hit those deep balls he’s so good at when you don’t have time in the pocket. even worse when, like jd, you stop looking downfield as soon as you go into scramble mode. again, I hope I’m wrong! but I dont see many scenarios where he turns into the franchise guy. one or two electric seasons? yeah. but I’ve been burned by this game already man
I don't get that vibe here. I think we were all thrilled to have him at the time. What happened after that is unfortunate. Some of his exposure to ugly hits was on him, dude rightfully thought he was superman. D coordinators eventually had enough film on him to seal his fate - blitz the fuck out of him.
I honestly wonder how he would have faired with Andy Reid as a HC, the guy is a QB guru.
Either way, I still think he's a smart, stand up guy and enjoy his NCAAF commentary.
I think andy Reid wouldn’t have made him any better. Look at the coaching staff on offense, you don’t think we had capable coaches? Shanahan, shanahan, mcvay, lafleur, and McDaniel. 2012 coaching staff was elite.
He couldn’t make reads under pressure, he didn’t slide, he didn’t want to play in a style that suited his strengths, he rushed himself back from injury.
Can’t blame a young player from wanting to come back and play. That’s where the adults should’ve intervened and prevented him from doing so - especially when it was exceedingly obvious he was playing injured in the playoffs. Probably could’ve had a good career if not for the Seattle injury.
I feel the coaches were powerless to stop him because Snyder, and rg3 is ultimately the one that went over the coaches heads to begin with. Even setting the rushing back to injuries aside, he’s shown he can’t play pocket qb style. So I don’t think he would’ve been successful without the Seattle injury. Unless he was ok playing dual threat style football.
He probably wouldn’t have insisted on being a pocket QB if not for the Seattle injury.
I’m not saying it was a sure thing, but I do believe that if he went anywhere outside of here + a few others (Browns, Raiders, etc), he probably has a much more successful career
From what I’ve seen I think Daniels is already a more developed pocket passer than RG3 ever figured out how to be in the NFL.
I see the similarities and the concerns but I think it’s pretty different too in a lot of ways. I think it will be easier for Daniels to operate from the pocket than it was for RG3. Plus simply the fact that Snyder isn’t around gives Daniels a far greater chance of success.
Team might have been far better with just Kirk and those first and second round picks.
Having Danny decide rather than Shanahan was part of three decades of crap.
Ownership and coaching did not sabotage RG3s career. That was always how it was gonna turn out. Look at these mobile QBs, and they usually end up getting hurt and can’t stay healthy. They rely specifically on their athleticism to make plays. I’m worried about this for Daniels; that he’ll be very good but won’t have a long career. I think they’re valid concerns.
On a side note, we don’t want another RG3. He was always me me me. We need a team player.
Robert got himself injured. Robert hid from the coach and put himself back in that game. Robert rushed himself back the following season. Robert refused to play the only style he was capable of playing. Robert insisted on being a pocket passer even he though was dogshit at it.
Robert's ego destroyed Robert's career, stop blaming anyone but Robert.
"Robert's ego destroyed Robert's career, stop blaming anyone but Robert."
And Mike Shanahan is blameless??? lol gtfoh. Once Griffin broke that 76-yard run against the Vikings he tossed all the "developing him" plans out the window. Mike literally ran Robert into the ground. A player is always going to want to play, it was his responsibility to tell him "No, you can't go in, your lower leg is hanging together by pieces". Isn't that why he drafted Kirk?
Mike and Robert's ego destroyed Robert's career.
Mike didn't run Robert into the ground. Robert got hurt scrambling and the pistol offense was designed because Robert couldn't throw from the pocket. Mike is the only reason Robert had ANY kind of career.
You're delusional. Running that pistol is what got teams to hit Robert regardless of whether he gave the ball to Alfred or not, do you not recall? Did he stop running it once they started doing that? No. Calling all these running plays for Robert but once Kirk is in the playbook suddenly changes? Be real man. Mike sent Robert to WR for a deep go route against Pittsburgh and what happened? He got f\*cking blasted on a play that never should have been called. You know any head coach that has sent their #2 overall QB for a go route? No, because they respect and understand the investment that the team has in their highly drafted QB. And he was throwing pretty well from the pocket on Thanksgiving, Mike was just impatient.
"Mike is the only reason Robert had ANY kind of career." Good grief.
Lol, Kyle is the only reason Robert had ANY kind of career.
You can twist it however you want and make all the excuses you want. Robert got hurt scrambling. He never got hurt running a play as intended. Fucking cope. Robert was trash as both a player and a person.
And they didn't need to call "all those running plays" for Kirk because unlike Robert Kirk was an actual QB who could throw the ball.
I'm not twisting anything, I gave you straight facts. I said Robert played a large part in his own demise, you simply refuse to hold Mike Shanahan responsible for anything.
Robert threw for 4TDs against Dallas with the QB whisperer Kyle guiding him with the whole nation watching.
And Mike snitching to Diana Russini made him a great guy right? 
"Robert was trash as both a player and a person."
My goodness, did Rob f\*ck your b\*tch? and that's not your personal opinion coming through?? Lmao
Mike should have told Robert to sit the fuck down that game, but let's be honest, Robert would have just ran over to snyder, cried like he always does and Snyder would have forces Mike's hand.
And it's not a personal opinion. It's a fact. He failed at being a QB for every other team who gave him the chance because he's a trash player.
Him throwing tantrums, getting his daddy involved, going behind the coach's back to Snyder to get his way and cheating on his wife while she's at home with their 7 month old makes him a trash person.
"Mike should have told Robert to sit the fuck down that game"
Oooh so you'll finally admit??? Thank youuu [dredgen\_rell86](https://www.reddit.com/user/dredgen_rell86/) 
Shanny never wanted him to begin with. Thats why he took cousins.. RG3 went to Snyder bitchin he wasn't going to get the start after the Baltimore injury. No one to blame but RG3
RG3 would have been pretty fucking good if he didn’t blow up his knee. That was a brutal injury. I’m happy with the pick, as long as he fills out a bit.
Ok, so... I find myself on both sides of your argument. I'm inclined to agree, but also... there's that 24 year period where that one guy flew the plane directly at the ground.
Coaching elevated RG3. The coaching staff has proven itself over and over again with other players and situations after and before him. RG3 succeeded in one year in a novel, unique system built by those coaches and tailored for him. He has chances to succeed in multiple places afterward including on his teams like the Ravens as a fill-in for Lamar. He sucked in fill-in duty and the Ravens could see that he offered nothing of value. So they cut him.
Probably because he forced the coaching staff into making him a pocket passer by going over their heads to Snyder. By taking the threat of the run away, he became a less effective passer, and he was not a good pocket passer. Just look at the talent we had on the coaching staff, him and Snyder basically ran them out.
2012 was a great run. He set our franchise back.
Because he never adapted. In fact, refused to adapt. Refused to be coached, and refused to mature. He could have/should have been special even without the legs. He had elite arm talent.
While I'll admit RG3 was off the charts good, he really needed Shanahan to unlock him. RG3 without Shanny wouldn't have won the ROTY, since the league wasn't ready for the Read-Option at the time.
Still a special season though, and one of the few positive post 2000 seasons.
RGIII sabotaged his own career my man. However I don't really compare Daniels to him other than they both have shown they don't know how to avoid hits. Otherwise they play pretty different.
Chase was also droy. The best guy getting a feel for the league isn’t necessarily a great player. Just like the tallest dwarf isn’t necessarily a tall guy.
I am happy to have JD here and I was happy for RG3 at the time, but I remember that 2012 season a lot differently than a lot of fans. I always felt RG3 was flukey that season and I had a feeling a steep regression was coming. The knee injury made it worse, but he was not long for the NFL. He just didn't have the patience to learn to be a pocket QB and it showed. I hope JD is miles better than RG3.
I mean the coaches that designed a pistol offense around because he was a terrible pocket passer.
I mean the coaches that made him succeed even though they didn't want him and drafted cousins in the 5th.
Your boy sucked and didn't know how to slide.
>I mean the coaches that designed a pistol offense around because he was a terrible pocket passer.
What did that get us?
>I mean the coaches that made him succeed even though they didn't want him and drafted cousins in the 5th.
*4th. What did that get us?
>Your boy sucked and didn't know how to slide.
If you have a nice car but it's a stick and you can't drive stick, maybe you should teach yourself how to drive stick instead of just driving in 1. If he was so bad at something, but had a naturally great arm and wanted to improve, you're not helping anything by ignoring that and putting him in danger. He didnt draft himself there.
> what did that get is?
ROTY and playoffs
> What did that get us
An actual NFL QB who could throw a ball and didn't only rely on his first read
Forget the analogy. Griffin got his opportunity to be a pocket passer with 3 different teams and he was never good at it. This was a Snyder pick forced on a regime that knew his strengths and weaknesses. Griffin would be Bryce young if it weren't for the shanny's.
>You mean the coaches who wouldn't let him drop back and throw
Because he *couldn't*.
He was a one or two read QB. If those weren't there, he would take off. His offense at Baylor was a half field read, our 2012 offense was a half field read.
I would kill for multiple 2012 seasons
I would kill to get rid of these hideous jerseys
That’s the thing, it was going to be repeating even if he stayed healthy.
I was hoping we'd have a Trent Williams to rely on.
Hopefully we'll take a few OT in the 2nd and 3rd
wow awesome! what happened after that?
He got hurt, told the coaches how he was going to play with Snyder's backing, couldn't develop as a pocket passer, was benched for Cousins, left for the Browns, continued to not develop as a passer, went to the Ravens, and still couldn't develop enough to remain a backup. Lots of things besides an injury.
certainly hope that history does not repeat itself but seems like an all too likely scenario for the new guy. praying it works out though but damn I’ve been burned by this already lol
10 years, a completely different owner, and all new FO. If you think JD can't throw from the pocket, please watch all his throws from a game. He only got better as the year went along. https://youtu.be/lXAGu5xBfHE?si=grkm4V42xX8dq66_
I’ve watched every throw from 2023 season. definitely a better arm than rg3 no question. but rg3 had the goat LT and shanahan system to help him. we’re gonna have either wylie or a rookie for JD’s rookie year… tough to hit those deep balls he’s so good at when you don’t have time in the pocket. even worse when, like jd, you stop looking downfield as soon as you go into scramble mode. again, I hope I’m wrong! but I dont see many scenarios where he turns into the franchise guy. one or two electric seasons? yeah. but I’ve been burned by this game already man
Also I understand Robert is considering a diva to a lot of y’all
I don't get that vibe here. I think we were all thrilled to have him at the time. What happened after that is unfortunate. Some of his exposure to ugly hits was on him, dude rightfully thought he was superman. D coordinators eventually had enough film on him to seal his fate - blitz the fuck out of him. I honestly wonder how he would have faired with Andy Reid as a HC, the guy is a QB guru. Either way, I still think he's a smart, stand up guy and enjoy his NCAAF commentary.
He definitely didn’t help himself when it comes to injuries . He refused to slide
I think andy Reid wouldn’t have made him any better. Look at the coaching staff on offense, you don’t think we had capable coaches? Shanahan, shanahan, mcvay, lafleur, and McDaniel. 2012 coaching staff was elite. He couldn’t make reads under pressure, he didn’t slide, he didn’t want to play in a style that suited his strengths, he rushed himself back from injury.
Can’t blame a young player from wanting to come back and play. That’s where the adults should’ve intervened and prevented him from doing so - especially when it was exceedingly obvious he was playing injured in the playoffs. Probably could’ve had a good career if not for the Seattle injury.
I feel the coaches were powerless to stop him because Snyder, and rg3 is ultimately the one that went over the coaches heads to begin with. Even setting the rushing back to injuries aside, he’s shown he can’t play pocket qb style. So I don’t think he would’ve been successful without the Seattle injury. Unless he was ok playing dual threat style football.
He probably wouldn’t have insisted on being a pocket QB if not for the Seattle injury. I’m not saying it was a sure thing, but I do believe that if he went anywhere outside of here + a few others (Browns, Raiders, etc), he probably has a much more successful career
From what I’ve seen I think Daniels is already a more developed pocket passer than RG3 ever figured out how to be in the NFL. I see the similarities and the concerns but I think it’s pretty different too in a lot of ways. I think it will be easier for Daniels to operate from the pocket than it was for RG3. Plus simply the fact that Snyder isn’t around gives Daniels a far greater chance of success.
Team might have been far better with just Kirk and those first and second round picks. Having Danny decide rather than Shanahan was part of three decades of crap.
Ownership and coaching did not sabotage RG3s career. That was always how it was gonna turn out. Look at these mobile QBs, and they usually end up getting hurt and can’t stay healthy. They rely specifically on their athleticism to make plays. I’m worried about this for Daniels; that he’ll be very good but won’t have a long career. I think they’re valid concerns. On a side note, we don’t want another RG3. He was always me me me. We need a team player.
I will go to my grave insisting that RGIII would have been a star if we hadn't been so incompetent in handling him and got him injured.
Robert got himself injured. Robert hid from the coach and put himself back in that game. Robert rushed himself back the following season. Robert refused to play the only style he was capable of playing. Robert insisted on being a pocket passer even he though was dogshit at it. Robert's ego destroyed Robert's career, stop blaming anyone but Robert.
"Robert's ego destroyed Robert's career, stop blaming anyone but Robert." And Mike Shanahan is blameless??? lol gtfoh. Once Griffin broke that 76-yard run against the Vikings he tossed all the "developing him" plans out the window. Mike literally ran Robert into the ground. A player is always going to want to play, it was his responsibility to tell him "No, you can't go in, your lower leg is hanging together by pieces". Isn't that why he drafted Kirk? Mike and Robert's ego destroyed Robert's career.
Mike didn't run Robert into the ground. Robert got hurt scrambling and the pistol offense was designed because Robert couldn't throw from the pocket. Mike is the only reason Robert had ANY kind of career.
You're delusional. Running that pistol is what got teams to hit Robert regardless of whether he gave the ball to Alfred or not, do you not recall? Did he stop running it once they started doing that? No. Calling all these running plays for Robert but once Kirk is in the playbook suddenly changes? Be real man. Mike sent Robert to WR for a deep go route against Pittsburgh and what happened? He got f\*cking blasted on a play that never should have been called. You know any head coach that has sent their #2 overall QB for a go route? No, because they respect and understand the investment that the team has in their highly drafted QB. And he was throwing pretty well from the pocket on Thanksgiving, Mike was just impatient. "Mike is the only reason Robert had ANY kind of career." Good grief. Lol, Kyle is the only reason Robert had ANY kind of career.
You can twist it however you want and make all the excuses you want. Robert got hurt scrambling. He never got hurt running a play as intended. Fucking cope. Robert was trash as both a player and a person. And they didn't need to call "all those running plays" for Kirk because unlike Robert Kirk was an actual QB who could throw the ball.
I'm not twisting anything, I gave you straight facts. I said Robert played a large part in his own demise, you simply refuse to hold Mike Shanahan responsible for anything. Robert threw for 4TDs against Dallas with the QB whisperer Kyle guiding him with the whole nation watching. And Mike snitching to Diana Russini made him a great guy right?  "Robert was trash as both a player and a person." My goodness, did Rob f\*ck your b\*tch? and that's not your personal opinion coming through?? Lmao
Mike should have told Robert to sit the fuck down that game, but let's be honest, Robert would have just ran over to snyder, cried like he always does and Snyder would have forces Mike's hand. And it's not a personal opinion. It's a fact. He failed at being a QB for every other team who gave him the chance because he's a trash player. Him throwing tantrums, getting his daddy involved, going behind the coach's back to Snyder to get his way and cheating on his wife while she's at home with their 7 month old makes him a trash person.
"Mike should have told Robert to sit the fuck down that game" Oooh so you'll finally admit??? Thank youuu [dredgen\_rell86](https://www.reddit.com/user/dredgen_rell86/) 
Shanny never wanted him to begin with. Thats why he took cousins.. RG3 went to Snyder bitchin he wasn't going to get the start after the Baltimore injury. No one to blame but RG3
I never said that he wanted him
Doesn’t mean you’re correct. Only sincere in your belief.
It's not possible to be correct about a hypothetical lol.
RG3 would have been pretty fucking good if he didn’t blow up his knee. That was a brutal injury. I’m happy with the pick, as long as he fills out a bit.
Because this fan base is a bunch of negative complaining bitches lol
Ok, so... I find myself on both sides of your argument. I'm inclined to agree, but also... there's that 24 year period where that one guy flew the plane directly at the ground.
Coaching elevated RG3. The coaching staff has proven itself over and over again with other players and situations after and before him. RG3 succeeded in one year in a novel, unique system built by those coaches and tailored for him. He has chances to succeed in multiple places afterward including on his teams like the Ravens as a fill-in for Lamar. He sucked in fill-in duty and the Ravens could see that he offered nothing of value. So they cut him.
Probably because he forced the coaching staff into making him a pocket passer by going over their heads to Snyder. By taking the threat of the run away, he became a less effective passer, and he was not a good pocket passer. Just look at the talent we had on the coaching staff, him and Snyder basically ran them out. 2012 was a great run. He set our franchise back.
Did the GOAT give up 5 to the kid? JD needs to be taking that man to Sizzler. 
Because he never adapted. In fact, refused to adapt. Refused to be coached, and refused to mature. He could have/should have been special even without the legs. He had elite arm talent.
While I'll admit RG3 was off the charts good, he really needed Shanahan to unlock him. RG3 without Shanny wouldn't have won the ROTY, since the league wasn't ready for the Read-Option at the time. Still a special season though, and one of the few positive post 2000 seasons.
RGIII sabotaged his own career my man. However I don't really compare Daniels to him other than they both have shown they don't know how to avoid hits. Otherwise they play pretty different.
Fr just let him heal if he gets hurt lol
Chase was also droy. The best guy getting a feel for the league isn’t necessarily a great player. Just like the tallest dwarf isn’t necessarily a tall guy.
I get tired of all the excuses RG3 gets. He was not a franchise QB or he would have been one.
I am happy to have JD here and I was happy for RG3 at the time, but I remember that 2012 season a lot differently than a lot of fans. I always felt RG3 was flukey that season and I had a feeling a steep regression was coming. The knee injury made it worse, but he was not long for the NFL. He just didn't have the patience to learn to be a pocket QB and it showed. I hope JD is miles better than RG3.
The problem with RG3 was the Shanahans. Bobert was great.
Rg3 was terrible. The Shanahans were the exact reason WHY he succeeded. There isn't any debate about it
You mean the coaches who wouldn't let him drop back and throw, which led to his injury? That's success to you?
I mean the coaches that designed a pistol offense around because he was a terrible pocket passer. I mean the coaches that made him succeed even though they didn't want him and drafted cousins in the 5th. Your boy sucked and didn't know how to slide.
>I mean the coaches that designed a pistol offense around because he was a terrible pocket passer. What did that get us? >I mean the coaches that made him succeed even though they didn't want him and drafted cousins in the 5th. *4th. What did that get us? >Your boy sucked and didn't know how to slide. If you have a nice car but it's a stick and you can't drive stick, maybe you should teach yourself how to drive stick instead of just driving in 1. If he was so bad at something, but had a naturally great arm and wanted to improve, you're not helping anything by ignoring that and putting him in danger. He didnt draft himself there.
> what did that get is? ROTY and playoffs > What did that get us An actual NFL QB who could throw a ball and didn't only rely on his first read Forget the analogy. Griffin got his opportunity to be a pocket passer with 3 different teams and he was never good at it. This was a Snyder pick forced on a regime that knew his strengths and weaknesses. Griffin would be Bryce young if it weren't for the shanny's.
Fine. I’ll admit that this is an RG3 burner account. You got me.
I think I believe you 🤔
>You mean the coaches who wouldn't let him drop back and throw Because he *couldn't*. He was a one or two read QB. If those weren't there, he would take off. His offense at Baylor was a half field read, our 2012 offense was a half field read.
Great. So teach him instead of throwing him to wolves.
He would have to want to learn to be able to be taught
He sucked as a purely in pocket passer. Snyder forced the coaching staff to try it with him. And he sucked.
Yes, the father and son combo that have made it to multiple super bowls and the father won them back to back are terrible coaches. Got it lol
I never said they were terrible coaches, that’s all you.