TSM (and every single org ever) wouldnāt exist without fans. That mf can say āweā and āusā if he feels like it
As long as you arenāt a weirdo who thinks you are better than someone else just cause you are a fan of a team thatās better than another, I donāt see how you can feel otherwise
Coming from a traditional sports background using "us" and "we" is so second nature that getting flame for it in esports always threw me off. Strange concept.
yeah i've been a lifelong Tottenham supporter before i ever was TSM supporter and whenever i speak of them if i don't use us or we, it just gives fake vibes?
It's a pretty strange concept to include yourself as part of the team, too. It's odd that this person wouldn't have been exposed to it but it's also odd that y'all do that.
Sure, I guess simply put I don't find it weird and plenty of others don't either. It's fine either way.
I have no issue with you finding it weird but with the other users berating OP for using it.
Tbh, I found it odd in tradional sports too.
It get stranger and stranger the fewer people in the sport, like a federer fan saying "we missed the ball" is hella odd.
I am a legit hater of Sweet but couldn't agree more. That guy is pulling absolute miracles out of his ass with mismatched teammates (I will not shit on Slayr, he's still new). With Sikezz, I think he'll actually have the potential to regain his top 2-3 IGL.
i don't think he was stranded. he bought a one way ticket thinking he could play PL there to be with his girl, and then because of some legalities he found out he had to be in NA to play in PL so he was forced to get a ticket home lol
The vast majority of people won't know which team you're talking about when you say tlaw, everybody will know which team you're talking about when you say TL or liquid. Now tell me which one makes sense.
It literally says TLAW in their name, to new people theyāre TLAW, for US Mexicans theyāre also TLAW no TL or liquid
So if in Mexico we call them Tlaw because in game theyāreā¦ TLAW then what do you think it makes sense
> The vast majority of people won't know which team you're talking about when you say tlaw
Lol, wrong. Come on. It's their name on the leaderboard, it's their name in game, and it's the name casters use when they talk about them. I think you're in the extreme minority if you don't know who they're talking about.
25th in the world is not a terrible thing, but heās not wrong. Love him or hate him Zero calls it as it is.
Monsoon is my favorite player and it feels like COLD and he are capable of a lot more than where they often end up, itās just been out of grasp for so many reasons the last year2 years. The fact they consecutively made the last three lans is impressive given the circumstances imo.
Lou top fragging and being #1 in the lobby (arguably the real MVP on Sunday) is hopefully a good sign for us fans. Iāve been watching Monsoon and Lou since the FlyQuest days and would love to see them make a run at a title, but they gotta prove their ability and overcome those stigmas.
They donāt have a player the level of obly or sanjoon. Madness is mechanically average at best and vax is above average to top 15-20 ish. Keon is nuts. Furia isnāt better then LG falcons legends aurora fnc RC Ssg alliance o7 just off the top my head. They didnāt make finals at last lan LOL
> They didnāt make finals at last lan LOL
Zer0 has also missed a LAN finals. Not saying Madness is on Zer0's levels, but that what happens on one day (bracket stage) can wildly affect the outcome of a LAN.
EDIT: Also, even *making* LAN makes them not bad. Most teams watch LAN from the stands or their bedrooms.
People underrate how good obly and sangjoon are compared to madness and Vax mechanics wise. Unless madness starts properly aim training I don't think they are a winning team.Ā
Don't think the not making finals is a fair comment.
The 3 games on worlds edge with the ring pulling to trials royally screwed any team not landing in 500 yards of trials.
Just a bad set of ring pulls that affected the entire day
Triple MNK with 2 players who are likely the best MNK players in the world, and a 3rd who is also world class MNK player..
Their aim is so good it's on par with the best controller players even at close range, you can't really use that as support for other teams running multiple MNK since if they don't have the same quality of aim they won't get anywhere close to the same level of results.
Aurora were on match point and alive at endgame at Playoffs, they could have just as easily won it.
Aim is rarely the decider in comp. If it were, triple controller would win every tournament. The decider is putting yourself in a position to win the fight even if you miss a few shots.
I do agree with him that TLAW, LG, DSG, and NMST all seem to be struggling but should be doing better, probably the top teams in B and C. TSM still has potential but they need to figure out their IGL shit first.
It's like saying the Miami Heat are still good because they won championships a decade ago. The moment LeBron left, that team was dead in the water lol.
TSM is dead in the water right now. They need to figure their shit first, cause they still look lost as fuck even after winning a PL day.
One whole day is not a trend, especially given how much is also luck in Apex. Plenty of teams have had one amazing day and then shit the bed for rest of PL. We need to see consistency before they're back on the winners list. I think they're capable of doing well, as I said before. They have potential. All three players are great. But they are still struggling until they can show some consistency.
...their best fragger and one of the best IGLs in the league left and nobody on the current team knows how to IGL, why do you think they are in the same place they were a year ago?
Have you paid attention to nothing happening over the past 6 months and just now randomly decided to make a comment without having any idea what is going on? lmfao. Bro your comment is really, really bad. Like you sound like you have no idea about anything going on in ALGS. I do not believe your comment shows an even casual understanding of the current state of the game. You should probably not tell anybody what is happening until you're caught up lil bro.
Last year split 2 they finished in 6th place, they are currently in 4th. Objectively, they are better right now. If you remember, they actually really struggled to qualify for LAN last year during split 2, and Hal had damn near given up. Literally watch this video, they were cooked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyUTJN6N4nc
Zap seems to know how to IGL considering their placement so far, and he also has two of the most experienced/winningest players in the game supporting him. There is no reason to think TSM is any less capable because they lost one player.
Are they better or did everyone else get worse after rostermania and they got lucky for one day? A lot of teams that you'd expect to be doing really well seem to be struggling, as I noted above. This obviously lowers the bar for competition. Zer0 said it best (and I said it above): everyone is shitting the bed right now in groups B and C for various reasons.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of both Jordan and Evan, I'm not familiar enough with Zap to have an opinion on him but he seems good. But I still think they have a lot to figure out after losing Hal, it is undeniable that Hal brought a lot to the team. Evan and Jordan are good enough to be a top duo, but it remains to be seen if they actually pull it off consistently against the best tier 1 teams. I do think their macro seems good but their micro seems to really be struggling in fights on most of their recent vods, with some recent exceptions.
I'll tell you one thing for sure, Reps on Fuse makes me happy af to watch so even if they lose I'm still watching all of Reps clips and vods.
Today was a good sign because they checked a lot of boxes. They got some zones but they basically only had one bad macro game and some messy fights. No they are not Falcons and yes losing Hal will bite them in many games upcoming. They also are just scary when they are on point and it's more about smoothing off the rough edges.
If we are hypothetically having this trio play a peak level the thing they lost from Hal is literally just Hals gift for navigating wild endgames. Zap has crazy fragging power. Their macro is as good if not better than Hals when Evo has been in the game. Their fight prowess isn't at TSM's peak level but it's hard to ever get as clean as a Hal horizon lead squad. Overall it's hard to see them as LAN winners but they have all the potential of a tier 1 team.
I'd agree with that, I still consider them a solid tier 1 team, just no longer the strongest team. I put them at like... 4th or 5th behind like SSG and Falcons. I think I'd rate them about on par with DSG and TLAW with slightly less fragging power overall but better macro. I'd actually consider them to be pretty similar to MST now.
You can hate him but is he really wrong about the 2 groups that played today? Honestly my top 3 teams that played today was Furia, LG, and NMoist (honestly looks like they're struggling with the new poi draft thing), but obviously nmoist shit the bed coming in 20th today but LG and Furia played up to expectations today. These 2 groups today have to be pretty much free for teams like furia and LG
True. Itās looking grim. I donāt really like the new system at all if Iām gonna be honest. I think itās absolutely terrible and why fix something thatās not broken? Watching todayās scrims was bad. Especially for me (a DSG FAN) can they still even qual? Brutal honestly. I think this lan might be pretty boring if teams donāt get their act together. Just need to put hope in APAC north and south + emea to bring up the excitement
Why is it bad? I think the new poi draft is a great addition because it tests every teams ability to play the game from anywhere, and it removes contests which also makes the aspect of rotates and positioning a lot more weight
Not ironic at all. Dark zero would get god spots with zones being across the map from them. Just smart rotates, and 3v3s. and honestly cloud 9 really did get so many zones in the finals.
There was a time when WE zones almost never went north. I remember it used to feel like the furthest north zones would ever go was no name or overlook.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/s/x8V5EIJaIV
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/s/GwNlm3qKWv
Lmao TSM is just "these dudes"
i mean it perfectly explains us at the moment, we are legit just vibes
And weren't they just immaculate today š
Which one are you? Zap?
Us? We? š¤£
TSM (and every single org ever) wouldnāt exist without fans. That mf can say āweā and āusā if he feels like it As long as you arenāt a weirdo who thinks you are better than someone else just cause you are a fan of a team thatās better than another, I donāt see how you can feel otherwise
Coming from a traditional sports background using "us" and "we" is so second nature that getting flame for it in esports always threw me off. Strange concept.
yeah i've been a lifelong Tottenham supporter before i ever was TSM supporter and whenever i speak of them if i don't use us or we, it just gives fake vibes?
At least you got to watch one of your teams win some trophies! I do love Son though - seems like a sound guy.
tsm AND tottenham... it's getting worse and worse.
could be a gooner and c9 fan who would know
It's a pretty strange concept to include yourself as part of the team, too. It's odd that this person wouldn't have been exposed to it but it's also odd that y'all do that.
It's colloquially used to include yourself as part of the fanbase. The vast majority of sports fanbases use it and will continue to use it.
Yeah, I'm well aware. It is weird though! Lots of commonplace things are weird.
Sure, I guess simply put I don't find it weird and plenty of others don't either. It's fine either way. I have no issue with you finding it weird but with the other users berating OP for using it.
Tbh, I found it odd in tradional sports too. It get stranger and stranger the fewer people in the sport, like a federer fan saying "we missed the ball" is hella odd.
I've always found it strange there too tbh.Ā
Delusional type shit
Brother sweet is solo queuing.
I am a legit hater of Sweet but couldn't agree more. That guy is pulling absolute miracles out of his ass with mismatched teammates (I will not shit on Slayr, he's still new). With Sikezz, I think he'll actually have the potential to regain his top 2-3 IGL.
Sent me flyin
Lmao " Sweet is solo queuing" made me lose it
āAruba boyā LMAOOOOOO
laughed my ass off xdd
Whats the story behind this
Funhq got stranded in Aruba awhile back
this raises so many more questions than it answers
i don't think he was stranded. he bought a one way ticket thinking he could play PL there to be with his girl, and then because of some legalities he found out he had to be in NA to play in PL so he was forced to get a ticket home lol
What's the context there? Is that the trip where funq was gone in between splits so they couldn't start practicing for a while?
Yes he was visiting his girlfriend and missed a few scrims while also having 100+ ping. Pretty sure he also got back home the day before ALGS.
Hahaha. I love how Luminosityās only floor is āhaving sikesā.Ā
Hahahaha he said it twice too never change Zer0 never change
Aruba boy is vicious
What does he mean
Fuhnqq was stranded in Aruba 1.5 weeks ago.
Wait, did we have a thread about this?
LMAO mad entertaining
The Sweet solo q comm had me dying.
Heās right these groups are actually hilarious Moist and Tlaw should be doing better than this
We really saying Tlaw now? lol
Itās so bad I cannot get behind that
Yeah tl at most. I ain't calling them "team liquid Alienware" even if it's just an abbreviation.
people never said TSM FTX or LG Chivas, I have no idea why people have started saying TLAW. The org is just TL or Liquid
In the game it says tlaw, not that deep
It was also called TSM FTX and LG Chivas in game
"T-LAW" is still the same number of syllables as "T-L"
Yeah and I donāt see any different in saying tlaw or tl Is not like Iām saying Team Liquid Alienwareā¢ļø
Tbh I literally donāt care since for me is just the team name and letters
Just call them liquid, like people have been doing for 20 years.
People are free to use whatever as long as it makes sense
The vast majority of people won't know which team you're talking about when you say tlaw, everybody will know which team you're talking about when you say TL or liquid. Now tell me which one makes sense.
It literally says TLAW in their name, to new people theyāre TLAW, for US Mexicans theyāre also TLAW no TL or liquid So if in Mexico we call them Tlaw because in game theyāreā¦ TLAW then what do you think it makes sense
It also says x on twitter, ain't nobody callin it that. Come on man.
Yanya himself says Tlaw, if te team themselves, the fans here in MĆ©xico and the game says also TLAW, then what? You can call them however you want but thereās no wrong way to call them if the player themselves say TLAW
> The vast majority of people won't know which team you're talking about when you say tlaw Lol, wrong. Come on. It's their name on the leaderboard, it's their name in game, and it's the name casters use when they talk about them. I think you're in the extreme minority if you don't know who they're talking about.
Just say liquid please
https://preview.redd.it/t64jt5u6ns5d1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=cad9695e073245ff922228d078d36c5971c80818
I know
And here in MĆ©xico we call them Tlaw, we donāt care if itās 2 or 4 letters, is just the name
He did Complexity dirty
25th in the world is not a terrible thing, but heās not wrong. Love him or hate him Zero calls it as it is. Monsoon is my favorite player and it feels like COLD and he are capable of a lot more than where they often end up, itās just been out of grasp for so many reasons the last year2 years. The fact they consecutively made the last three lans is impressive given the circumstances imo. Lou top fragging and being #1 in the lobby (arguably the real MVP on Sunday) is hopefully a good sign for us fans. Iāve been watching Monsoon and Lou since the FlyQuest days and would love to see them make a run at a title, but they gotta prove their ability and overcome those stigmas.
I'm fuckin dying at the sweet comment LMAO
Legit question. How is Furia bad when theyāre 3rd overall?
The team wonāt win anything is what heās saying. No superstar and double mnk. Their mnk players also arenāt insane so what can they win
>No superstar and double mnk. You don't need a "superstar" and a triple mnk team won LAN. Thinking it's impossible for Furia to win is silly.
They donāt have a player the level of obly or sanjoon. Madness is mechanically average at best and vax is above average to top 15-20 ish. Keon is nuts. Furia isnāt better then LG falcons legends aurora fnc RC Ssg alliance o7 just off the top my head. They didnāt make finals at last lan LOL
> They didnāt make finals at last lan LOL Zer0 has also missed a LAN finals. Not saying Madness is on Zer0's levels, but that what happens on one day (bracket stage) can wildly affect the outcome of a LAN. EDIT: Also, even *making* LAN makes them not bad. Most teams watch LAN from the stands or their bedrooms.
People underrate how good obly and sangjoon are compared to madness and Vax mechanics wise. Unless madness starts properly aim training I don't think they are a winning team.Ā
They r both insane. Id say vax is close to their level but madness is light years behind
Don't think the not making finals is a fair comment. The 3 games on worlds edge with the ring pulling to trials royally screwed any team not landing in 500 yards of trials. Just a bad set of ring pulls that affected the entire day
Triple MNK with 2 players who are likely the best MNK players in the world, and a 3rd who is also world class MNK player.. Their aim is so good it's on par with the best controller players even at close range, you can't really use that as support for other teams running multiple MNK since if they don't have the same quality of aim they won't get anywhere close to the same level of results.
Aurora were on match point and alive at endgame at Playoffs, they could have just as easily won it. Aim is rarely the decider in comp. If it were, triple controller would win every tournament. The decider is putting yourself in a position to win the fight even if you miss a few shots.
I mean, he isn't totally wrong lol
Aruba boy sent me lmfao
ELI5?Ā
Fuhhnq went on vacay to Aruba like right as they picked up Sikezz and he missed a bunch of scrims right before the split started because of that.
Harsh but not wrong lmaooo
..AND ARUBA BOI XDD
"That brother sweets solo qing" made me lol š truth, went from like 19th place to 2nd by himself that one game
Iām fucking belly laughing holy shit Zero
Zer0 is possibly funniest Apex streamer in year 4
I do agree with him that TLAW, LG, DSG, and NMST all seem to be struggling but should be doing better, probably the top teams in B and C. TSM still has potential but they need to figure out their IGL shit first.
>TSM still has potential Lol they just won a day of pro league! C'mon.
Lots of poor teams have won a single day.
*has potential* . they are champions and multi LAN winners. Stuff you nobody
Saying nobody as if you're on the team lmao
No, Im not comparing myself to TSM, loser
Hope you get over your insecurities!
It's like saying the Miami Heat are still good because they won championships a decade ago. The moment LeBron left, that team was dead in the water lol. TSM is dead in the water right now. They need to figure their shit first, cause they still look lost as fuck even after winning a PL day.
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One whole day is not a trend, especially given how much is also luck in Apex. Plenty of teams have had one amazing day and then shit the bed for rest of PL. We need to see consistency before they're back on the winners list. I think they're capable of doing well, as I said before. They have potential. All three players are great. But they are still struggling until they can show some consistency.
Dead in water . wow y'all as dead as fandom's when solo qing
...their best fragger and one of the best IGLs in the league left and nobody on the current team knows how to IGL, why do you think they are in the same place they were a year ago? Have you paid attention to nothing happening over the past 6 months and just now randomly decided to make a comment without having any idea what is going on? lmfao. Bro your comment is really, really bad. Like you sound like you have no idea about anything going on in ALGS. I do not believe your comment shows an even casual understanding of the current state of the game. You should probably not tell anybody what is happening until you're caught up lil bro.
Last year split 2 they finished in 6th place, they are currently in 4th. Objectively, they are better right now. If you remember, they actually really struggled to qualify for LAN last year during split 2, and Hal had damn near given up. Literally watch this video, they were cooked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyUTJN6N4nc Zap seems to know how to IGL considering their placement so far, and he also has two of the most experienced/winningest players in the game supporting him. There is no reason to think TSM is any less capable because they lost one player.
Are they better or did everyone else get worse after rostermania and they got lucky for one day? A lot of teams that you'd expect to be doing really well seem to be struggling, as I noted above. This obviously lowers the bar for competition. Zer0 said it best (and I said it above): everyone is shitting the bed right now in groups B and C for various reasons. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of both Jordan and Evan, I'm not familiar enough with Zap to have an opinion on him but he seems good. But I still think they have a lot to figure out after losing Hal, it is undeniable that Hal brought a lot to the team. Evan and Jordan are good enough to be a top duo, but it remains to be seen if they actually pull it off consistently against the best tier 1 teams. I do think their macro seems good but their micro seems to really be struggling in fights on most of their recent vods, with some recent exceptions. I'll tell you one thing for sure, Reps on Fuse makes me happy af to watch so even if they lose I'm still watching all of Reps clips and vods.
Today was a good sign because they checked a lot of boxes. They got some zones but they basically only had one bad macro game and some messy fights. No they are not Falcons and yes losing Hal will bite them in many games upcoming. They also are just scary when they are on point and it's more about smoothing off the rough edges. If we are hypothetically having this trio play a peak level the thing they lost from Hal is literally just Hals gift for navigating wild endgames. Zap has crazy fragging power. Their macro is as good if not better than Hals when Evo has been in the game. Their fight prowess isn't at TSM's peak level but it's hard to ever get as clean as a Hal horizon lead squad. Overall it's hard to see them as LAN winners but they have all the potential of a tier 1 team.
I'd agree with that, I still consider them a solid tier 1 team, just no longer the strongest team. I put them at like... 4th or 5th behind like SSG and Falcons. I think I'd rate them about on par with DSG and TLAW with slightly less fragging power overall but better macro. I'd actually consider them to be pretty similar to MST now.
With the added caveat that they could just be very inconsistent
Why are you acting as if you were just personally attacked?
he's not wrong tho
Love his honesty and banter. Not afraid you love to that from Aussies baby
Classic sweet behavior
Sweet's solo queueing lmao
Absolutely the most fair and needed take I've heard since start of split 2 hahahaha
When was this and what is the timestamp?
Today. Vod had to be nuked.
why
Lets just say zero opened twitter on stream and some things were on his feed
Did anyone clip this? God damn.
Bahahaha pray do tell
Some titties were showing on zeros stream
He opened Twitter on stream
:( I want to see his breakdown of the underperforming teams today.
I love the Zer0 and Sikez disses š
That Brother sweet is solo queuing hahaha
Can't lie, I love falcons so much. Without them, there will be no entertaining content to watch in algs.
:o
He is not wrong lmao
These guys suck
āSikez and Aruba Boiā
I mean... He's not wrong lol
i mean, is he wrong? pro league has never had this many dead teams
Puro pinchi Liquid !
Yea group C is looking really really weak
Canāt lie. I hate falcons so much
You can hate him but is he really wrong about the 2 groups that played today? Honestly my top 3 teams that played today was Furia, LG, and NMoist (honestly looks like they're struggling with the new poi draft thing), but obviously nmoist shit the bed coming in 20th today but LG and Furia played up to expectations today. These 2 groups today have to be pretty much free for teams like furia and LG
True. Itās looking grim. I donāt really like the new system at all if Iām gonna be honest. I think itās absolutely terrible and why fix something thatās not broken? Watching todayās scrims was bad. Especially for me (a DSG FAN) can they still even qual? Brutal honestly. I think this lan might be pretty boring if teams donāt get their act together. Just need to put hope in APAC north and south + emea to bring up the excitement
If teams canāt adapt to changes then theyāre just not good imo. Falcons and ssg adapted and are literally the top two teams
Why is it bad? I think the new poi draft is a great addition because it tests every teams ability to play the game from anywhere, and it removes contests which also makes the aspect of rotates and positioning a lot more weight
Contests make it interesting.
Zer0 talking about teams only winning because of "getting zones" is about as ironic as it gets
nah we got hella zones
Not ironic at all. Dark zero would get god spots with zones being across the map from them. Just smart rotates, and 3v3s. and honestly cloud 9 really did get so many zones in the finals.
How? They routinely find God spot in the worst zones for them lol
Come back when 90% of WE zones don't end Skyhook/Trials
There was a time when WE zones almost never went north. I remember it used to feel like the furthest north zones would ever go was no name or overlook. https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/s/x8V5EIJaIV https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/s/GwNlm3qKWv
Yup, the amount of Thermal zones was obscene back in the day šš
He won 2 LANs flex dropping after scrimming on 250 ping. Just say you donāt like him instead of lying
Evan is coming for falcons šššš
The disrespect to sikkez when heās one of the best players in apex is crazy
Heās joking LOL