Quick question, but how come group A gets 3 teams to main event, while group B only gets 2? Why didn't the 3rd seed of both groups A and B battle it out for the last spot?
That felt like a giga team gap. Kai just killed everyone even in lost fights, Wmaimone flexed so well, Jkaru monke clears the worlds most handsome tankline, Boneback already shown up the fraud UV now showing up Reviews and FunnyAstro is FunnyAstro.
Good win for GB, but without Kai hitting absolutely insane shot that map goes to France easily. Teams with their own elite sniper will bring GB to Circuit to take advantage of that Sigma diff.
Way I figure it, the plan is to take advantage of Poko's excellent Sigma against a team that doesn't play it at all.
Thing is, the team comp diff *worked?* Kai allowing two blades by picking off Reviewz and winning two points off two shots was mechanical genius, but it didn't validate GB's comp as a whole. It was just individual diff. Jkaru as monkey was going nowhere on offense and without those two shots France wins the map pretty handily.
I still think GB wins this overall though, because even if they lose this they can bring France to a monke map and free Jkaru a lot more. But if I'm GB I'm starting to train a Sigma just in case.
According to [Liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Overwatch_World_Cup/2023):
> # Format
> * **Group Stage**: *October 29th - November 1st, 2023*
> * Played behind closed doors at the Anaheim Convention Center
> * Top 8 teams advance
> * **Playoffs**: *November 3rd -4th, 2023*
> * Played in front of an audience at the Anaheim Convention Center
> * Single elimination bracket
if Netherlands had beaten Belgium (Lost 2-0, very off day) and had beaten Spain (Lost 2-1, very close final push map), they'd be looking at a 5-2 record with the head to head over Spain.
what could've been for the oranje
I really hope Denmark and Spain both win, going down to the final game where neither of those teams control their fate is so exciting, but it would definitely suck for those teams to have things be out of their hands
This is a must-win game for Denmark. If Denmark lose this, Spain are through even if they lose too since they have the head-to-head win against Denmark!
I've heard both. Spain has Head-to-head over Denmark, true. But if UK loses to France, both Denmark and UK are 5-2 and Denmark have head-to-head advantage over UK.
Nope, casters just said it’s only the top scenario (winning and Spain losing to Portugal) that can save Denmark. France/Britain no longer has any bearing on this.
The casters are wrong. [Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/14o36sr/emec_group_a_qualification_scenarios_going_into/) the explanation.
France Spain absolutely has bearing, Denmark has 2 more map wins, Spain can't catch up on that. If France wins, you have a 3-way tie betwen GB/Spain/Denmark, and they traded wins, so H2H can't break the tie. Would go to map diff then
this is the thinking i've been running with. if I'm mistaken I'll totally accept the L, but I'm 90% confident the 3 way tie scenario is still a potential outcome
depends on UK vs France game. If your comment happens, and GB win, then Spain qualifies. If your comment happens, and France win, then Denmark qualifies. Both GB and France are guaranteed to qualify
The whole team lmao. They always troll in messages and YZN pressing E (I know it didn’t really matter and Lethal didnt give a fuck, but still to the audience that was a dick move)
So it’s only yazan pressing E? Like u said not a big deal, but idk how others see it
Is the trolling with bad intentions?
I don’t focus on chat so i may have missed something but I didn’t see any villainous stuff there
Im not sure what you mean villainous. Like they weren’t threatening to murder anyones cat or something. They are just being cocky and trolling while steam rolling and spawn camping their opponents.
I just wish they were nicer
It's not as if Finland and Iceland tried to anger the fans, they made it get out of hand and become hot topic.
Doesn't matter ksa stomped them all so we had the last laugh, everything from here onwards is beyond the goal that was initially set 🇸🇦😘.
My guess would be whoever they face first from the big three of SK, USA, and China. I think they beat everyone else including the EMEC group A countries.
Korea for sure the best, China 2nd on paper, but in the right meta USA could be 2nd. Tough to know for sure, but if I had to guess those 3 are comfortably ahead of everyone else, besides maybe Saudi Arabia.
They’re the only teams in current day Overwatch with a fully stacked roster, every other country in the World Cup has one or more glaring weaknesses. They also have the players with the most tournament / OWL experience.
I’d personally rank Korea #1 with USA and CN near tied for #2, with USA having the slight upper hand due to recent circumstances.
Korea is WAYYYYYYY better than anyone else.
USA, KSA, and China have amazing rosters
UK, Australia, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Sweden, are the next tier (maybe spain and france too)
He just needs a slight nerf. Ram slots into the Orisa-tier for me, a tank which gives guaranteed solid value just by cycling cooldowns, but as a result shouldn't be any higher than like A-tier in terms of strength.
I haven’t watched many games so far but I don’t feel he offered much at all in Norway v Turkey. His only talking points were how silly the comps were and him saying 4 times that he thinks hog is better and more viable than people think.
Romani was free all game with no Ana to counter him.
Man, I was really rooting for Denmark to qualify (fell asleep before their game w/ Netherlands, hence the late comment). GGs, I guess.
Quick question, but how come group A gets 3 teams to main event, while group B only gets 2? Why didn't the 3rd seed of both groups A and B battle it out for the last spot?
The host can't deal with it
Cmon Chris, bring the spice!
Honestly Britain probably beats Denmark in a 5-map series
Both maps they lost were very close, british supports fed a bit. I think UK wins like 7/10 games vs denmark
1 GB 2 Spain 3 France Lmao Spain leapfrog France
ggs. :)
Spain > France confirmed? Thank you GB, very cool.
GB, Spain and Netherlands all working together to laugh at the French, a tale as old as time
spain beat france so yeah
They beat them and they ended above them. Today was a good day :D
That felt like a giga team gap. Kai just killed everyone even in lost fights, Wmaimone flexed so well, Jkaru monke clears the worlds most handsome tankline, Boneback already shown up the fraud UV now showing up Reviews and FunnyAstro is FunnyAstro.
Something about hearing “lads it’s coming home” in a yank accent makes me cringe outside of my body
Still better than hearing anything French.
J’suis d’accord
Great day to be British, first seed AND we destroyed the French. Today is good.
Good win for GB, but without Kai hitting absolutely insane shot that map goes to France easily. Teams with their own elite sniper will bring GB to Circuit to take advantage of that Sigma diff.
I mean France should have known what they were getting into picking circuit. I was honestly expecting Havana since thats UKs worst map.
Way I figure it, the plan is to take advantage of Poko's excellent Sigma against a team that doesn't play it at all. Thing is, the team comp diff *worked?* Kai allowing two blades by picking off Reviewz and winning two points off two shots was mechanical genius, but it didn't validate GB's comp as a whole. It was just individual diff. Jkaru as monkey was going nowhere on offense and without those two shots France wins the map pretty handily. I still think GB wins this overall though, because even if they lose this they can bring France to a monke map and free Jkaru a lot more. But if I'm GB I'm starting to train a Sigma just in case.
L + Cope + Seeth + Agincourt + Waterloo
I'm french but this one hits too hard i'm forced to upvote. Well played.
I'm only jesting, outside of GB vs France I'll always support EU rush, especially Poko ❤️
Baguette gud ggs lads
LADS LADS KEEP IT TOGETHER LADS
Agincourt 2: OWWC Boogaloo
IT'S COMING HOME! IT'S COMING HOME!
Hilarious how Denmark is the only team to take down GB.
Unreal peel from France to live, only to die right after
holy moly Kai is hitting some shots today
"reviewz dc". Yet didn't leave the lobby at all and lose his ult like has happened with all the other DC's during the WC?....
short DC don't disconnect you from the game
Watching the comments argue about playing snipers into Monkey on this map is kinda funny
“Oh it’s for review alright” LMFAO
Astro and JKaru get after them in chat
This entire map is basically a fight to answer the question: "Who wins on Circuit Royal? The best Sigma or the best Widow?"
winston
Kai casually widow diffing on 170ms
widow gap vs team comp gap
Taking Kai to circuit was a ballsy move
Discord is fine though...
Kai got two points off two shots on Reviewz there. That could have been a full hold.
"You must hate a Frenchman as you hate the Devil" - Horatio Nelson GET ABSOLUTELY FUCKED FRANCE! LET'S GO LIONS! (Love you though Poko)
Jkaru is the best white winston
wow that fight did not look winnable, much like agincourt
I remember reading about how Henry V unleashed Jkaru on the French
when Kai headshot half the French nobility
the legends of the 10000 english arrows per minute at agincourt? not actually true, it was just kai
Crucial early pick onto Constable Charles d’Albret
WE'RE JUST TOO CLUTCH!
Kai just always kills things
Great British bake off mentioned
Taking Kai to Circuit is a choice...
I think it's their best option, GB's dive is just too strong for them on all other maps right?
"that one's for the hundred year war" LOL
France better start winning maps soon. We’ll run out of French historical W’s soon
IT's COMING HOME!
Charlie Niner
LMAO, Emongg's chat telling him he needs to go to spoons when he comes to the UK
Emongg's coming to the UK? :O
Ok so France finally remembered that hitscans exist, one map after letting themselves get rolled by a Junkrat
UK Overwatch community not forgetting the battle of Hastings
That disrespect from Kai......
Holy dps diff
Man it is so fucking perfect to end on the Big Crunch. Tonight, rosbif's on the menu. :)
This game is going to decide 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.
Holy shit Denmark lost to Netherlands?
Netherlands clapped them. Blizzard World defense was a total master class by them
Also, Daan's Rein on night market was sick nasty
The sneaky shatter was so beautiful
Yeah they choked while Netherlands played a clean game.
Logix just said that this is his last tournament :(
Thank mr Logix. :(
He'll be missed o7
We still don't know the advantage of finishing higher right?
Don't think so, really hope they're going to do the next stage soon while all eyes are on it.
Isn't it way in November?
According to [Liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Overwatch_World_Cup/2023): > # Format > * **Group Stage**: *October 29th - November 1st, 2023* > * Played behind closed doors at the Anaheim Convention Center > * Top 8 teams advance > * **Playoffs**: *November 3rd -4th, 2023* > * Played in front of an audience at the Anaheim Convention Center > * Single elimination bracket
Spain advancing has been such a pleasant surprise
So if Spain beat Portugal and Great Britain beat France, Spain will finish 2nd and France 3rd 😅😅😅
Yes. Wouldn't that be something. 😉
https://twitter.com/SpainOWWC/status/1675550085038440449
sadge I can't see tweets, what did they say?
Ah it's a video meme, I've re-uploaded it here: https://youtu.be/xDW0yPr4miA
if Netherlands had beaten Belgium (Lost 2-0, very off day) and had beaten Spain (Lost 2-1, very close final push map), they'd be looking at a 5-2 record with the head to head over Spain. what could've been for the oranje
Instead, Spain's group run started with their win Netherlands and concluded with Netherlands win over Denmark 😅
Huge upset for Netherlands, they get to play spoiler and end the intrigue for this group. GGs to the Netherlands!
This settles the debate. Last world cup The Netherlands ended 5th and Denmark ended 6th. Not the other way around!
Well I definitely didn't expect that.
so happy for spain man. definitely the surprise team of the tournament
Ya Spain have been the most fun team to watch imo, at least in the actual competitive group lol. I'm really glad they qualified.
Slay looked super weak for the entire world cup. The dude is not OWL ready at all.
kragie on suicide watch
No no, he's an SK fan
BUDDIE actually hit many good shots
holy shit
Spain are through with that!
ITS JOEVER
WHY DID KELLEX RALLY
Netherlands is having so much fun screwing over Denmark's future right now
oh no, that was a tragic EMP timing for Shockwave
Netherlands holding strong on this first defense :eyes emoji:
I really hope Denmark and Spain both win, going down to the final game where neither of those teams control their fate is so exciting, but it would definitely suck for those teams to have things be out of their hands
DENMARK IS BOOMED ITS ACTUALLY JOEVER
I couldn't believe what I was watching when they let Netherlands cap first point for free!
denmark when their OWWC hopes are on the line: i sleep denmark when ezraah calls them boomed: \*activated\*
This is a must-win game for Denmark. If Denmark lose this, Spain are through even if they lose too since they have the head-to-head win against Denmark!
I've heard both. Spain has Head-to-head over Denmark, true. But if UK loses to France, both Denmark and UK are 5-2 and Denmark have head-to-head advantage over UK.
That's only when both of the teams win, but now there's no chance for GB to fall into the tiebreaker since Denmark lost so it's over for them 😭
I’m confused, is the head to head record used first before map diff for tiebreakers?
Yes because all teams play each other. OWL uses map diff usually because not every team plays each other
Yes, Denmark as fucked unless Spain also drops a map or loses.
no theyre not. map wins is before map diff
Denmark out now right?
nope Denmark could still win 2-1 and qualify if Spain loses OR if Spain wins but France wins against GB
OK cool still a point watching the game then :)
Nope, casters just said it’s only the top scenario (winning and Spain losing to Portugal) that can save Denmark. France/Britain no longer has any bearing on this.
The casters are wrong. [Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/14o36sr/emec_group_a_qualification_scenarios_going_into/) the explanation.
France Spain absolutely has bearing, Denmark has 2 more map wins, Spain can't catch up on that. If France wins, you have a 3-way tie betwen GB/Spain/Denmark, and they traded wins, so H2H can't break the tie. Would go to map diff then
this is the thinking i've been running with. if I'm mistaken I'll totally accept the L, but I'm 90% confident the 3 way tie scenario is still a potential outcome
hope the Danes don't mind their floor spaghetti because the spag is being dropped hard rn
C’mon Netherlands, win this for Spain
What happens if Denmark win 2-1 and Spain with 2-0?
depends on UK vs France game. If your comment happens, and GB win, then Spain qualifies. If your comment happens, and France win, then Denmark qualifies. Both GB and France are guaranteed to qualify
People are saying Spain qualified now though.
ggs, see y’all in 3 months ❤️💚
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So fun I just wish they were not as toxic. They are trying very hard to be the villains
Which team member is trying to be the villain????? I watched the replays and there was nothing there to indicate that.
The whole team lmao. They always troll in messages and YZN pressing E (I know it didn’t really matter and Lethal didnt give a fuck, but still to the audience that was a dick move)
So it’s only yazan pressing E? Like u said not a big deal, but idk how others see it Is the trolling with bad intentions? I don’t focus on chat so i may have missed something but I didn’t see any villainous stuff there
Im not sure what you mean villainous. Like they weren’t threatening to murder anyones cat or something. They are just being cocky and trolling while steam rolling and spawn camping their opponents. I just wish they were nicer
YZN + Haku always on the killfeed I legit forgot that Majed is supporting them
GGS 7-0 LETSGOOO
🇸🇦 Flawless streak get F haters
Nobody hates the team. Just some of their fans. Can't imagine why, though...
It's not as if Finland and Iceland tried to anger the fans, they made it get out of hand and become hot topic. Doesn't matter ksa stomped them all so we had the last laugh, everything from here onwards is beyond the goal that was initially set 🇸🇦😘.
not so flawless when they lost a map
Losing a map lol how petty can you be, i can taste the salt
mmmm steak
Edited it 👍
im starting not to believe
Lol the fact that you believe you had a chance is funny
Just came and.. even Kev + Sparkr can't deal with the YZN terror? Damn
Not with that backline and as far as I know they are also playing on 170ms ping.
too much him energy
yzns just that guy
ksaa gave kevster a concussion with that rock
Imma pretend I didn’t see that scyle
quartz moment
how did theomatic live what
are team comps decided before the map?
Saudi tried to do a little bit of trolling and it fired back badly
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yea that language is so scary i get nightmares when i see it
انا احبك \^\_\^
Who's gonna give saudi their first loss...the world may never know
My guess would be whoever they face first from the big three of SK, USA, and China. I think they beat everyone else including the EMEC group A countries.
I’m new to overwatch esports, how ahead really are those 3 teams of the rest of the world? And how would you rank those 3
Korea for sure the best, China 2nd on paper, but in the right meta USA could be 2nd. Tough to know for sure, but if I had to guess those 3 are comfortably ahead of everyone else, besides maybe Saudi Arabia.
They’re the only teams in current day Overwatch with a fully stacked roster, every other country in the World Cup has one or more glaring weaknesses. They also have the players with the most tournament / OWL experience. I’d personally rank Korea #1 with USA and CN near tied for #2, with USA having the slight upper hand due to recent circumstances.
Korea is WAYYYYYYY better than anyone else. USA, KSA, and China have amazing rosters UK, Australia, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Sweden, are the next tier (maybe spain and france too)
we're playing a game plan of bullying kevster to death and it's clearly working
quartz is just too good
yea... this group kinda ended up being a massive disappointment. Norway beating Sweden and KSA vs FIN were really the only "significant" games
Yeah... top 2 was definitely enough for this group.
this is just brutal
Let’s hope Blizzard never releases a hero as piss easy and powerful as Ramattra ever again. Less Moiras more Wrecking Balls please
He just needs a slight nerf. Ram slots into the Orisa-tier for me, a tank which gives guaranteed solid value just by cycling cooldowns, but as a result shouldn't be any higher than like A-tier in terms of strength.
Meemyo being an annoying moth!
... Is one of the Norwegian players female?
Yes. Meemyo
Didnt know that! Thank you!
Yes. Meemyo.
This must be the weirdest shit I’ve seen this qualifiers and I love it
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> WIFLWhfoNamAp It's so exciting that Cenk short-circuited!
I don't understand what Turkey are doing but I love it
They've hit the Hashish and have ascended past this mortal plane.
#WIFELEAVER ALERT! WIFELEAVER ALERT!
Hex has gotten better at analysis casting since he left OWL
I haven’t watched many games so far but I don’t feel he offered much at all in Norway v Turkey. His only talking points were how silly the comps were and him saying 4 times that he thinks hog is better and more viable than people think. Romani was free all game with no Ana to counter him.
Well he's not handcuffed to Semmler anymore.
Oh god... That brings up terrible memories...
Very true
Norway saying "Fuck it, we can't make it, we're gonna have some fun"
>Junkrat vs Torb/Genji I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...