Ok on your first point 2 inches over 10 feet really shouldn't affect you in a noticeable way.
2nd point. The finish quality is actually really good. The discoloration is on the concrete plant not your contractor so you should ask them to reach out to the plant because they clearly gave two different batches. And that's not a crack it's called a cold joint because there was too long between trucks which could either be the fault of the plant or the contractor.
If you just want it to look nice and are not planning on going after the contractor for it, because it may be outside of their scope. Someone with the right experience can strip the sealer, and antique the lighter side to darken it to match the darker side. The application is actually fairly easy, but the margin for error is huge. It will cost money, as most companies that are experienced with aftercare and detail work only have one or two guys they'd consider sending to take this on. If you hire a reputable company that regularly does stamped concrete to do a decorative border, they may help you out if you ask if theres anything they can do about the existing pad.
In all i'd say its unfortunate the color didn't match. We poured 3000sqft at my bosses house as a surround for his shop. That thing has like 5 different shades of the chosen colour in it. And he hounded the plant for weeks about how important this was. We are one of their largest clients. On the bright side the colour will slightly change over time on its own with regular sealer maintenance.
But…from this size pour only one truck and therefore one mix should have been needed. If the contractor didn’t calc right and had to call for another batch then I would argue it’s on the contractor. Doesn’t look like a cold joint.
In your scenario that would definitely make the contractor at fault for the cold joint for sure but not for the difference in the color because I've seen 150 trucks in one day bring the exact same mix so even if the contractor miscalculated and had to order more it still should have been the exact same mix.
Those trucks were all pulling from a consistent mix most likely. If it’s the way I said, it was calc’d wrong and he called in for a new batch to be made. I would agree it’s stretching the limits if it was mixed correctly even in two batches but from the sloppy stamping I can lean more towards the contractor making mistakes. This is all based on the info in pictures. In reality I would need to see it in person to make a absolute judgement.
But…from this size pour only one truck and therefore one mix should have been needed. If the contractor didn’t calc right and had to call for another batch then I would argue it’s on the contractor. From what I see it doesn’t look terrible but my point stands.
Edit: I looked closer and it’s not a quality job in my opinion.
In the future, and to others out there, make sure you get everything you are requesting in writing.
Re: the slope, I think you'll be glad you don't have standing water all around and underneath the hot tub whether you realize it or not.
2” over 10’ will not affect the hot tub, and is a very standard amount of pitch. if it was completely level 0.0% water will pool underneath the hot tub and potentially hurt the slab over time.
The border is tough luck and id fight too have money taken off
And regarding the “crack”. Seems like thats where the concrete truck ran out of concrete and they had to have more delivered. Ask the contractor why its different color, because if it was poured all in one day at one time, there should not be a significant color difference like that. HOWEVER if they poured one half on one day and the other half on another day, that could potentially cause the discoloration because of numerous factors. (The plant could have batched the concrete differently, more water couldve been used, it could be hotter or colder outside, etc etc). If they cant provide an explanation for the mismatch in color, i would have them replace, the color difference is unacceptable. How long ago was the patio poured? Concrete professional here btw
Thanks for the feedback on pitch and border. The hot tub company said I needed to support the entire base of the hot tub and not just shim the one side. The concrete was poured all on the same day but there were two trucks used. Could they have used different batches of concrete that would account for the color?
They very well could have, who paid for the concrete, you or them? The delivery driver probably gave someone at the house/site a slip that would have stated exactly what was ordered and how much. Id inquire about finding that slip for your delivery. If you call the concrete plant, they might even be able too look it up if it wasnt too long ago.
Hot tubs don't need to be level. It will be fine. I don't care what they say. And the slope is correct for stamped concrete. If anything, it should be even more. City sidewalk is sloped 1.5 inches over 5 feet, and it's brushed and won't hold water.
As far as the rest, they have a lot of work to do with acid washing and antiquing to do to make the loads match up.
I can't tell if the crack you are talking about is a crack or a joint between pours. If it's a joint, you're going to be disappointed because there are many more to be cut.
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback about the slope. The crack is best seen on the second picture where the darker color meets the lighter. I was told this is where different sections of the concrete were poured at slightly different times and with a different truck load. I don't think joints have been cut yet.
Should of been level. Like that is one thing I'll stress to hell about. They just thought do a good finish and structurally fuck it. No hold them accountable for not be level saw cut it rip it out and redo. Doesn't have to be stamped would be a fair compromise. But if I put my hot tub down and the water spills over we will have a problem.
What does your contract say? It really comes down to what it's in black and white, because the details you mentioned aren't structural issues.
The spa specs should have been in your contract. If they aren't, it's all an you, none on the contractor.
Good luck 👍
Should be sloped 2% for water to exit the slab, your just under that and should be fine. Shim the hot tub level
The color difference is probably from different mixes from what you said. Stamping looks bad
If the border was in the contract and not done you are owed some sort of compensation off contract price.
Building code in the US requires a landing at exterior doors. Minimum of 36" perpendicular to the opening, and at least as wide as the door opening, but not less than three feet in both directions.
I am not spa expert nor concrete expert but 2”/10’ = 1.6% slope. I highly doubt that will affect the spa functionality
While it is not perfect, it seems not horrendous work. I’d ask for $ off
As far as color goes, they should be able to tint some sealer with they're release powder, or get eztique and try to get them to match much closer, that is a pretty big difference in color, as far as the spa goes, just have them do shims, they're is no making it level sucks they fucked on the slope. Finish looks decent, but if your bid has a decorative border in it and they just didn't do it I'd be pissed. Idk what you paid and hopefully haven't paid in full. I'd ask for a discount. Do not have them redo it. They fucked up already think they'll be happy to tear out and redo it. Live with it, make em ez tique to darken that light side, have spa people shim it and lastly demand a discount.
Also is there any control joints/saw cuts can't tell in your pictures.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will ask them about that to help match the color. Also, thank you for mentioning the control joints, I will ask about that as well.
Ok on your first point 2 inches over 10 feet really shouldn't affect you in a noticeable way. 2nd point. The finish quality is actually really good. The discoloration is on the concrete plant not your contractor so you should ask them to reach out to the plant because they clearly gave two different batches. And that's not a crack it's called a cold joint because there was too long between trucks which could either be the fault of the plant or the contractor.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Is there anything that can be done with the color difference at this point or would I be stuck with it?
If you just want it to look nice and are not planning on going after the contractor for it, because it may be outside of their scope. Someone with the right experience can strip the sealer, and antique the lighter side to darken it to match the darker side. The application is actually fairly easy, but the margin for error is huge. It will cost money, as most companies that are experienced with aftercare and detail work only have one or two guys they'd consider sending to take this on. If you hire a reputable company that regularly does stamped concrete to do a decorative border, they may help you out if you ask if theres anything they can do about the existing pad. In all i'd say its unfortunate the color didn't match. We poured 3000sqft at my bosses house as a surround for his shop. That thing has like 5 different shades of the chosen colour in it. And he hounded the plant for weeks about how important this was. We are one of their largest clients. On the bright side the colour will slightly change over time on its own with regular sealer maintenance.
But…from this size pour only one truck and therefore one mix should have been needed. If the contractor didn’t calc right and had to call for another batch then I would argue it’s on the contractor. Doesn’t look like a cold joint.
In your scenario that would definitely make the contractor at fault for the cold joint for sure but not for the difference in the color because I've seen 150 trucks in one day bring the exact same mix so even if the contractor miscalculated and had to order more it still should have been the exact same mix.
Those trucks were all pulling from a consistent mix most likely. If it’s the way I said, it was calc’d wrong and he called in for a new batch to be made. I would agree it’s stretching the limits if it was mixed correctly even in two batches but from the sloppy stamping I can lean more towards the contractor making mistakes. This is all based on the info in pictures. In reality I would need to see it in person to make a absolute judgement.
But…from this size pour only one truck and therefore one mix should have been needed. If the contractor didn’t calc right and had to call for another batch then I would argue it’s on the contractor. From what I see it doesn’t look terrible but my point stands. Edit: I looked closer and it’s not a quality job in my opinion.
In the future, and to others out there, make sure you get everything you are requesting in writing. Re: the slope, I think you'll be glad you don't have standing water all around and underneath the hot tub whether you realize it or not.
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I went to commercial because of homeowners. They are all internet experts.
Not an expert at all. Which is why I asked in a forum where there are people who know more than me.
I appreciate the concise and helpful response. Glad you are in commercial too.
This was a response to the top comment. Not you. I didn’t realize only concise and helpful responses were a requirement. Sorry to disappoint.
That slope is fine for a hot tub. Manufacturers always say perfectly level but everyone with a hot tub on concrete has a slope.
2” over 10’ will not affect the hot tub, and is a very standard amount of pitch. if it was completely level 0.0% water will pool underneath the hot tub and potentially hurt the slab over time. The border is tough luck and id fight too have money taken off And regarding the “crack”. Seems like thats where the concrete truck ran out of concrete and they had to have more delivered. Ask the contractor why its different color, because if it was poured all in one day at one time, there should not be a significant color difference like that. HOWEVER if they poured one half on one day and the other half on another day, that could potentially cause the discoloration because of numerous factors. (The plant could have batched the concrete differently, more water couldve been used, it could be hotter or colder outside, etc etc). If they cant provide an explanation for the mismatch in color, i would have them replace, the color difference is unacceptable. How long ago was the patio poured? Concrete professional here btw
Thanks for the feedback on pitch and border. The hot tub company said I needed to support the entire base of the hot tub and not just shim the one side. The concrete was poured all on the same day but there were two trucks used. Could they have used different batches of concrete that would account for the color?
They very well could have, who paid for the concrete, you or them? The delivery driver probably gave someone at the house/site a slip that would have stated exactly what was ordered and how much. Id inquire about finding that slip for your delivery. If you call the concrete plant, they might even be able too look it up if it wasnt too long ago.
Hot tubs don't need to be level. It will be fine. I don't care what they say. And the slope is correct for stamped concrete. If anything, it should be even more. City sidewalk is sloped 1.5 inches over 5 feet, and it's brushed and won't hold water. As far as the rest, they have a lot of work to do with acid washing and antiquing to do to make the loads match up. I can't tell if the crack you are talking about is a crack or a joint between pours. If it's a joint, you're going to be disappointed because there are many more to be cut.
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback about the slope. The crack is best seen on the second picture where the darker color meets the lighter. I was told this is where different sections of the concrete were poured at slightly different times and with a different truck load. I don't think joints have been cut yet.
What is a “spa”? Where I am from, that’s a place you go to get your nails did, and/or to relax with a massage.
Spa = Hot Tub
Should of been level. Like that is one thing I'll stress to hell about. They just thought do a good finish and structurally fuck it. No hold them accountable for not be level saw cut it rip it out and redo. Doesn't have to be stamped would be a fair compromise. But if I put my hot tub down and the water spills over we will have a problem.
They probably mean a Jacuzzi/hot tub
I think he's trying to say spaghetti. What is the spaghetti policy for stamped concrete?
What does your contract say? It really comes down to what it's in black and white, because the details you mentioned aren't structural issues. The spa specs should have been in your contract. If they aren't, it's all an you, none on the contractor. Good luck 👍
If so worried you could use small wood shims to level out the hot tub, But good luck!
Should be sloped 2% for water to exit the slab, your just under that and should be fine. Shim the hot tub level The color difference is probably from different mixes from what you said. Stamping looks bad If the border was in the contract and not done you are owed some sort of compensation off contract price.
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback. Will be talking with them about the border and compensation.
No worries man. Address your concerns in a civil matter with the contractor, we’re mostly good dudes. Hope it works out for you!
Thank you. Wanted to see if I was overreacting before I brought it up.
No need to over react. Life will go on…life finds a way haha
Your landing is required to be 3 feet wide, minimum at the door.
I'm sorry, I don't understand. Can you explain more?
Building code in the US requires a landing at exterior doors. Minimum of 36" perpendicular to the opening, and at least as wide as the door opening, but not less than three feet in both directions.
I am not spa expert nor concrete expert but 2”/10’ = 1.6% slope. I highly doubt that will affect the spa functionality While it is not perfect, it seems not horrendous work. I’d ask for $ off
I reached out to the manufacturer and they recommended leveling the area one way or another.
Should be able to use shims to level it. 2 inches in 10ft (1.6%) is not that much. 2 percent is usually what’s recommended for water runoff
As far as color goes, they should be able to tint some sealer with they're release powder, or get eztique and try to get them to match much closer, that is a pretty big difference in color, as far as the spa goes, just have them do shims, they're is no making it level sucks they fucked on the slope. Finish looks decent, but if your bid has a decorative border in it and they just didn't do it I'd be pissed. Idk what you paid and hopefully haven't paid in full. I'd ask for a discount. Do not have them redo it. They fucked up already think they'll be happy to tear out and redo it. Live with it, make em ez tique to darken that light side, have spa people shim it and lastly demand a discount. Also is there any control joints/saw cuts can't tell in your pictures.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will ask them about that to help match the color. Also, thank you for mentioning the control joints, I will ask about that as well.