Sadly, in a lot of places, material is worth more than the time of even very talented and experienced pros. If we were really in a free market we'd almost all make pennies. Luckily, we are not!
When (mostly illegal) immigrants will do our labor for pennies on the dollar, everyone loses.
And yes, I fully expect to get downvoted to hell for this... but I work in a construction trade, and its the truth. Sorry, Reddit.
Like grandad used to say ‘are you mad because what I said was false? Or are you mad because what I said was true?’ He also said ‘quit crying and hold the light steady or I’ll give you something to cry about’
Instead of going with the racist blame game there are a series of things we need to do:
1. Fine employers for hiring people under the table. Fine them enough to not make it worthwhile.
2. Provide a pathway to legal status, we need labor in many many ways.
3. Make them pay a higher tax rate or have them serve in the military in exchange for their legal pathway.
3. Provide some minimal trade education for their trade, funded by the tax increase. Include information on actual legal wages and prevailing wage.
If you lived in an economic hellhole in the US like West Virginia or Mississippi and went to Canada to work without documentation as a lumberjack, you sent money home and you bought a house for your mom, you would be a fucking hero despite being an illegal. These people are fucking heros. It might unbalance the marketplace in some ways but they are still heros.
The illegality is just deliberate market manipulation in order to suppress wages overall, large businesses and large farms don't want them to be legal and they don't want them forced out of the country. The right will whine, complain, blame and make racist statements while changing nothing while the donors profit from a suppressed labor market.
I do agree with point number 1. But that’s already a thing… businesses get fined for paying under the table. The problem is that the issue has gotten so massive that enforcement is nearly impossible.
I’m speaking from the standpoint of someone who DOESNT work for a massive corporation, and owns a small business. I do most of the work myself.
And THAT is who is most affected by illegal immigrants who do the same thing.
The middle class blue collar trade worker is almost extinct at this point. And that’s because of mass illegal immigration, and the inability to control it.
There isn’t a union for my trade.
It isn’t racist to point that out.
How am I backpedaling? Please show me where I said something racist, or even anything about a specific race.
I don’t care if you’re Mexican, Burmese, Iranian, Puerto Rican, Salvadoran (I personally know people in my trade from all of these countries, in my area)… shit, I don’t care if you’re Canadian.
if you’re here working illegally, you’re not paying taxes, so you’re undercutting legitimate small businesses… and I’m not okay with that. You can afford to work for less than I can, because I have a massive cost that you don’t.
If you’re from one of those (or any) countries, and you’re here working legally, I have absolutely no problem with it. That’s fair competition, because you’re paying the same taxes that I am.
A free market only works if the playing field is level.
There’s nothing racist about saying that.
He makes a fair point. He's not saying illegal immigrants as a racist connotation. He's simply saying numbers add up. We're already competing with each other, but with an influx of blue color immigrants, it dilutes our value. I'm not against immigration, but we do need a better control of migration.
The free market is a bitch. Just because some desperate people may do it for pennies means that we all have to take low wage bullshit because in a free labour market the lowest asker gets the job.
Most of those $15-$25 welders are kids in their 20''s working at some private fab shop that just builds trailers or some other cheap product and would never be able to pay their employees a prevailing wage.
Prevailing wages for ironworkers is $40-$80, North County Washington is up to $86/hr right now.
You are correct, there are many different industries that use welding and Ironwork involves much more than just weldjng. Since we are in a construction sub though and most of us are building structures I feel like ironworker is appropriate.
A lot of those "private fab shops" are multimillion dollar corporations with several international locations. Basically anything non-union *will* pay absolute dogshit just because they can get away with it at the moment, not because they can't afford to do better.
The small private shops will even frequently pay *better* than the big companies since having a huge turnover rate is usually more expensive to the owner than just paying their employees properly.
Wouldn't $40 be a decent rate for production welding? All the equipment and materials belong to the company, steady work, steady hours, AC in the break room, etc?
I've seen this first hand on some steel coming from China. We were the install crew for chutes for a conveyance system that would be taking a lot of punishment. Material came from China, we just did install.
Chutes were supposed to be fully seal welded, but while doing some repairs for some damage that happened during shipping, we found out that behind the paint, they were just stitch welded with caulking in between stitches, all painted to look continuous. Poked around a little more and found out all the material they'd sent was like that.
Brought it up to our client (the supplier), I think they swept it under the rug and never told their client (the port).
Made me realize why some clients specify "no chinese steel".
I work in heavy civil construction and all the jobs I work on are for some sort of government agency. Every one of them has a no Chinese metal rule. We have to submit certificates proving that any metal we use on the job comes from America.
Steel specs also are different and is often not the same strength. China “GB” material specs and US “ASTM” don’t line up one for one and they’ll often swap a lower strength alternative if it’s not explicitly specified and or checked
I worked in a place that imported gates and fencing. We've gotten loads where everything was barely tacked, covered with bondo and painted. So bad that you could lift one end, shake it a little and it would rack.
Had a Supervisor on a mine site that got sacked for exactly this. Structural I-beams on a iron ore processing plant, just to save time and keep profits up.
I can chalk like that no problem and honestly in alot of ways it is able to hold that better than a weld . Weld is strong and is bonded by forcing itself by heat to the structure and chalk sticks to it by not being forced but holding on to it . One blunt force can break that weld and break the entirety of it and the windows will fall out . The chalk would wear u out to beat out or push out and will still be hanging on there are ups and downs to both ways so would I want a welded house or a chaulked house ? My choice would be chaulked . Easy to mend and will hold up better in the elements and cheaper . Once a weld breaks ur whole house could calapse or weaken the entire structure
To be honest, I see just as many videos on reddit of infrastructure collapsing in the states as I do China.
Both big countries, though, so kinda makes sense.
Tig welded aluminium bike frames that come out of China and Taiwan have welds that look like this. Given how difficult alu is to weld I wonder if this happens with mass produced bike frames in China. Since bike welds are painted over anyway when the frame is painted this would be even more convenient. I'm genuinely worried.
That level of caulking? I ain’t even mad.
It's silicone, a lot harder to not mess up. I'll now have trust issues going forward though lol.
Yeah I have a job for anyone who is capable of that.
If this guy can do this with silicone out of a tube, he could probably weld just as well.
Yes, but TIME
Good point, would probably weld faster too.
Yes, but TIME
Sadly, in a lot of places, material is worth more than the time of even very talented and experienced pros. If we were really in a free market we'd almost all make pennies. Luckily, we are not!
If he has that much control with his finger..well..i’m sure you get where i’m going with this ladies
I'm not sure what you all are on about...its genuinely not difficult to do. Is this like an inside joke or something?
“I trust that weld” *dies*
What? Isn't like 99% of caulk silicone based?
That’s what she said
That's way more work than actually welding.
It's the cost. You can pay a painter $20 an hour under the table and some weed. A welder want $40 and to only work four days a week.
If you're paying $40 I'm half arseing those welds. If you want them pretty you can double that.
Lol I was gonna say what self respecting welder is working for $40 an hour?
Go to the welding subreddit. It's a pretty common issue now where people are only paying 15-25$ an hour for welding and everyone just deals with it.
When (mostly illegal) immigrants will do our labor for pennies on the dollar, everyone loses. And yes, I fully expect to get downvoted to hell for this... but I work in a construction trade, and its the truth. Sorry, Reddit.
Like grandad used to say ‘are you mad because what I said was false? Or are you mad because what I said was true?’ He also said ‘quit crying and hold the light steady or I’ll give you something to cry about’
Amen
Instead of going with the racist blame game there are a series of things we need to do: 1. Fine employers for hiring people under the table. Fine them enough to not make it worthwhile. 2. Provide a pathway to legal status, we need labor in many many ways. 3. Make them pay a higher tax rate or have them serve in the military in exchange for their legal pathway. 3. Provide some minimal trade education for their trade, funded by the tax increase. Include information on actual legal wages and prevailing wage. If you lived in an economic hellhole in the US like West Virginia or Mississippi and went to Canada to work without documentation as a lumberjack, you sent money home and you bought a house for your mom, you would be a fucking hero despite being an illegal. These people are fucking heros. It might unbalance the marketplace in some ways but they are still heros. The illegality is just deliberate market manipulation in order to suppress wages overall, large businesses and large farms don't want them to be legal and they don't want them forced out of the country. The right will whine, complain, blame and make racist statements while changing nothing while the donors profit from a suppressed labor market.
I do agree with point number 1. But that’s already a thing… businesses get fined for paying under the table. The problem is that the issue has gotten so massive that enforcement is nearly impossible. I’m speaking from the standpoint of someone who DOESNT work for a massive corporation, and owns a small business. I do most of the work myself. And THAT is who is most affected by illegal immigrants who do the same thing. The middle class blue collar trade worker is almost extinct at this point. And that’s because of mass illegal immigration, and the inability to control it. There isn’t a union for my trade. It isn’t racist to point that out.
What trade are you?
Flooring
How is complaining about illegals working illegally racist? I’m confused. I’m ESL and an immigrant - I pretty sure “racist” has to do with race?
You apparently do not work in the trades and it shows.
Fuck of brigader
Enjoy your office Monday!
I’m sorry, what did I say that was racist? And where did I say that I belong to “the right”? As a matter of fact, where did I say ANYTHING about race?
Keep backpedaling
How am I backpedaling? Please show me where I said something racist, or even anything about a specific race. I don’t care if you’re Mexican, Burmese, Iranian, Puerto Rican, Salvadoran (I personally know people in my trade from all of these countries, in my area)… shit, I don’t care if you’re Canadian. if you’re here working illegally, you’re not paying taxes, so you’re undercutting legitimate small businesses… and I’m not okay with that. You can afford to work for less than I can, because I have a massive cost that you don’t. If you’re from one of those (or any) countries, and you’re here working legally, I have absolutely no problem with it. That’s fair competition, because you’re paying the same taxes that I am. A free market only works if the playing field is level. There’s nothing racist about saying that.
He makes a fair point. He's not saying illegal immigrants as a racist connotation. He's simply saying numbers add up. We're already competing with each other, but with an influx of blue color immigrants, it dilutes our value. I'm not against immigration, but we do need a better control of migration.
found the Mexican
incredible, that person types out a serious and helpful response and you immediately just hit the racism button. dumb fuck.
ur mad over a internet comment hahahahah
The free market is a bitch. Just because some desperate people may do it for pennies means that we all have to take low wage bullshit because in a free labour market the lowest asker gets the job.
Exactly.
Most of those $15-$25 welders are kids in their 20''s working at some private fab shop that just builds trailers or some other cheap product and would never be able to pay their employees a prevailing wage. Prevailing wages for ironworkers is $40-$80, North County Washington is up to $86/hr right now.
Ironworking isn’t really welding though, more of its own thing that does welding as a consequence of that.
You are correct, there are many different industries that use welding and Ironwork involves much more than just weldjng. Since we are in a construction sub though and most of us are building structures I feel like ironworker is appropriate.
A lot of those "private fab shops" are multimillion dollar corporations with several international locations. Basically anything non-union *will* pay absolute dogshit just because they can get away with it at the moment, not because they can't afford to do better. The small private shops will even frequently pay *better* than the big companies since having a huge turnover rate is usually more expensive to the owner than just paying their employees properly.
Yup. I used to make $14-$16 an hour when I worked nonunion and had certs. Now I make $50+ an hour though :)
That’s why we need to unionize more. My hourly wage as a Boilermaker welder is $54.30/hr and $80/hr total wage package
Wouldn't $40 be a decent rate for production welding? All the equipment and materials belong to the company, steady work, steady hours, AC in the break room, etc?
Damm Most welders here dont get more that 21 euros And even i ret ar ed macinist make more than them
I better be getting $54/hr minimum, double after 8 etc
Maybe in the west. They ain't making that in china
Bro it's china, they pay em peanuts on the dollar
Welders get more that 40 unless you are some teenager kid just starting off.
I don’t know about that, I’ve been in some funny spots that require a lot of work and skill
How’d you get video of the cybertruck being made?
Nonsense. The panels wouldn't be flying off cybertrucks if they were attached this well.
nonsense, they properly test the cybertruck panels by slapping them and saying "yep, that's not going anywhere"
I mean in all fairness that’s how most of us do it…
Its obviously a video of a Boeing being made
That's US manufacturing for you.
I've seen this first hand on some steel coming from China. We were the install crew for chutes for a conveyance system that would be taking a lot of punishment. Material came from China, we just did install. Chutes were supposed to be fully seal welded, but while doing some repairs for some damage that happened during shipping, we found out that behind the paint, they were just stitch welded with caulking in between stitches, all painted to look continuous. Poked around a little more and found out all the material they'd sent was like that. Brought it up to our client (the supplier), I think they swept it under the rug and never told their client (the port). Made me realize why some clients specify "no chinese steel".
I work in heavy civil construction and all the jobs I work on are for some sort of government agency. Every one of them has a no Chinese metal rule. We have to submit certificates proving that any metal we use on the job comes from America.
Steel specs also are different and is often not the same strength. China “GB” material specs and US “ASTM” don’t line up one for one and they’ll often swap a lower strength alternative if it’s not explicitly specified and or checked
Buy America certs baybeee
I worked in a place that imported gates and fencing. We've gotten loads where everything was barely tacked, covered with bondo and painted. So bad that you could lift one end, shake it a little and it would rack.
Passed inspection
Had a Supervisor on a mine site that got sacked for exactly this. Structural I-beams on a iron ore processing plant, just to save time and keep profits up.
Dude should be in prison for endangering lives.
If he had enough money or connections, he probably got promoted.
You are probably right.I hate this place :-(
Came across this a few years ago only spot welded and silaconed
Understanding the intricate process of welding in China.
I Xi what you did.
this made me laugh.
Those kids are good
"Mom, can we get some welds" "We have welds st home" The welds at home
If ya don’t own it silicone it
Long time, no see, Boss! Sorry for quitting with no notice.
Clean
Ah, Boeing Doors welds
X-ray came up clean, good to go boss.
I’m sure this represents all steel welds coming from China and not scammer suppliers that you can’t differentiate because of the language barriers
When you lie on your resume but still get the job (He's a journeyman carpenter but applied for a welding position)
I'm honestly interested on what they sprayed on it that looks that good.
Silver paint
It matches the colour and texture of the metal suspiciously well
Rustoleum metallic finish.
Welding it would be definitely easier.
Could pass as steel wire loom
Do your best and caulk the rest
They know how to handle a caulk!
Big deal my landlord does that all day long except the paint is chunkier.
Trust issues unlocked.
Noooooooooo!
Wait, wouldn't that be pricier than actually doing the weld?
Boeing technician welding together a plane door!
Lol it will break in 1 week
I laughed at thos much harder than I should of lol.
Racist ass post
I can chalk like that no problem and honestly in alot of ways it is able to hold that better than a weld . Weld is strong and is bonded by forcing itself by heat to the structure and chalk sticks to it by not being forced but holding on to it . One blunt force can break that weld and break the entirety of it and the windows will fall out . The chalk would wear u out to beat out or push out and will still be hanging on there are ups and downs to both ways so would I want a welded house or a chaulked house ? My choice would be chaulked . Easy to mend and will hold up better in the elements and cheaper . Once a weld breaks ur whole house could calapse or weaken the entire structure
To be honest, I see just as many videos on reddit of infrastructure collapsing in the states as I do China. Both big countries, though, so kinda makes sense.
The difference is that American infrastructure collapses due to decades of neglect, while Chinese infrastructure fails due to inferior construction.
Sure, but have you taken time to consider that China bad?
I need a razor blade !
Something cool for the future, cold application welding. I can see it now, and robots everywhere
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Ha ha hot metal gleu gun go brrrrrr
Thats some clean caulking
Well, it’s better than I thought.🤗
witnessed!
Dimes!
Not mad Def wont use, but not mad.
Software development by big 4
Atleast use Loctite damn
I wonder what (none toxic) spray that is. I love the finish.
Nice 👍👍👍
Number of days without this video: 0
Super flexible weld. Next level technology
Seems accurate
China welds????
At least it won't rust
And just think, grinding is so much easier.
That’s gold
Probably hold better than some of the ones I see sent out to me.
“How would they know”
Nice weld
Not for US government programs!
Dropping dimes...
So if me and my girl do the titanic on a Chinese steel balcony that shit might be siliconed chinesium?
This is prime grade Chinesium alloy weld right there!
Using high grade chinesium steel too.
Tig welded aluminium bike frames that come out of China and Taiwan have welds that look like this. Given how difficult alu is to weld I wonder if this happens with mass produced bike frames in China. Since bike welds are painted over anyway when the frame is painted this would be even more convenient. I'm genuinely worried.
This is straight up racist propaganda