With a $500 bankroll I wait to be about $100 up and pocket that, and keep doing that until I have no more chips on the rail. I take whatever is in my pocket “home”.
It just depends on what your goal is.
I also play with 500 buy in. I place 66 inside and just tell the dealer to press one unit every hit. That's it. I play the hards about half the time for a buck each with one to the dealer. First hit is always just parlayed. I usually play a nickel on tbe alls.
To me, I wouldn't even play if I was going to stop at 100 profit. Craps is all about that monster roll and you are severely limiting your chances by stopping as soon as you hit 100.
Basically, your entire time at the table is going to be spent losing lol I play for fun. I want that monster where I hit the alls for 850 with everyone going nuts and whole casino staring, collect press everything to 100 and just collecting stacks. That's the fun. Lose. Lose. Lose. 100 bucks. Lose. 100 bucks. Lose. That sounds awful
What are these guys suggesting for a stop loss? It can't be 500. It would take five winning sessions to make up one losing night.
10-15% is realistic, 20%+ is optimistic.
$500 isn't much to work with, my recommendation is at least $1k for craps. Time isn't on your side at the table, so make meaningful bets with meaningful payouts.
Or just YOLO it and not worry about a stop loss. What amount would you be satisfied with?
I personally do double or nothing. This works for my bankroll and financial situation and how often I get to go to a casino. I also mostly play the dark side and so far im a lifetime winner against casinos, this part is luck and positive variance on my side of things.
For you I agree with u/korazair from now on when you hit 600$ that's your stop point. Anything over a 100$ win is your play money. Soon as you lose it, you're done.
You're now a winner and can buy a steak dinner.
Luck and making the best bets available and walking away when up. Eventually I'll join the lifetime losers group but for now I'm happy having the positive variance.
I think my comment was misinterpreted I do not stop at $100 profit. Once I have $100 profit that is what I pocket, leaving $500 on the rail to continue playing. Hit $100 again, put that in my pocket, so $200 in pocket, $500 on the rail, once that $500 on the rail hits 0, I walk away with the money I have placed in my pocket. My best night I walked away with $1500 when my rail/luck finally ran out.
So I’m pretty new to playing and a lower roller (max buy-in of $150-200 for a $15 table) but I can’t say that I’ve set a goal for profit to call it quits. Normally I just leave when I’ve got to be somewhere else or run out of playing money.
That being said, I change my “playing money” throughout the game. So I’ll play conservatively at first and then once I’ve made enough profit to call my new bankroll (let’s say $100 or so), then I’ll pocket my original $200 and forget it existed. So even if I lose all my playing money, I’m still even.
The last two times I’ve played, it was for 6ish hours each and I had to leave due to other conflicts, and I profited $180 and $230 those times. Clearly that won’t work if the dice aren’t in your favor at the beginning, but I guess that’s the game!
This depends on the trip. Usually when I'm at the craps table, my wife is playing craps. So I usually play until she is done. Could be 30 minutes or could be 3 hours. I'm there for the entertainment expecting to lose my bankroll. If I take home money that's great.
However, if I double up I will usually leave the table. If I have a monster roll like I did in Biloxi, I'm going to take the $1000 I made on my roll and walk. It won't get better than that. If she isn't done I'll take a few hundred to a poker table and sit for a while.
But I also don't use my entire buyin at the table. If I bring $600 to play with, I'm only buying in for $300. If that goes super quick I'll walk away, check on the wife, grab something to eat and come back later.
With a $500 bankroll (this isn't much), you're looking to build your bank roll. At every stage, you're trying to build your bank roll to comfortably play larger stakes but with $500 you're strictly looking at purely building your bankroll. With that bankroll, I'm walking away when profits get in the range of $50-$100. Like another person said, once I get into that range I'm pocketing what I have, and then whatever is left on the rail is what I have to play with. The hardest part is always walking away from the table though. Especially when you feel you haven't knocked it out of the park. But you'll feel a lot better when you're playing off of casino money because you became disciplined.
I generally aim for $100-300, and try to shoot at least 3 times(Local dicelord/craps god) you should develop a good strategy/plan when you play. A lot of people show up and just compulsively guess and its a sure fire way to always lose. I have a consistent strategy based on the iron cross, I posted it a while ago. Take some time to try to figure out what you are trying to accomplish and build a strategy to get you there.
In roulette I try to do 50% per session (usually a hour) then I’ll take a break. Eat dinner or whatever and buy back in with my original buy in and earlier profits and try tomorrow get a 50% increase on that
I would say it’s not a number, but how good the table feels. If you’ve been there for almost 2 hours, but you final get a decent run of even 250-300 up, then I would leave and take a break. If you’ve been playing for 30 minutes, up that much, I would stay and sometimes you lose, but generally it’s the feel. I love rolling and tend to rarely 7 - out right away, so I try to wait it out until I roll again and play the pass line with some odds and then a number or 2.
I watch crappy the craps guy and start with sweet 49. If I lose 2x then I switch to his cold table strategy which is roll out. Bet come bet (say $25) it rolls to number. Bet don’t come ($25) rolls to whatever. Then another come bet. It protects against point 7 out or short rollers. But watch his cold table strategy (I know, no such thing as a cold table. Whatever)
I am rather new to craps and roulette. I have been keeping about $4,000 in my gambling fund and limit my bankroll to $800 per casino visit. I want to get to a minimum $8,000 bankroll so I can manage to lose no more than 10% at a time.
My personal goal is to go home with a 50% profit. If I stop before that, it is because I am just tired or feel like my luck is starting to run out. I find that I am ahead at some point the majority of the time and the key is walking away while you are ahead.
If I go in and start losing right off the bat, I call it a night and don’t lose the entire $800. It just seems like if I lose early, I never catch up. So, I leave and keep my money for another day.
I am a boring and simple bettor. I can tell you that double or nothing will not work mathematically for 1-1 bets. Do the math and you will understand that you will be losing money after about the third or 4th bet even if you win the bet. For the 1-1 bets, I have been way more successful tripling the bet. Again, you WILL NOT make money doubling a 1-1 bet.
You can go double or nothing on a 2-1 bet in roulette and potentially make more money and play longer than on a craps table doubling a 1-1 bet. Doubling a 2-1 bet guarantees you a 50% profit on your cumulative total bets.
Under both scenarios, you are always subject to both hitting several times in a row of maxing out your payroll or be limited by the table limit.
I am back and forth on my winnings. But, ahead of the casinos so far. I feel like I am limiting myself by lack of nerve and bankroll. I only go by my plan up to a point and then I chicken out on the bigger bets.
I am going to add about $1,000 out of my paycheck each month to get it where I feel like it needs to be to feel comfortable with the larger bets and hopefully start building with winnings from there.
With a $500 bankroll I wait to be about $100 up and pocket that, and keep doing that until I have no more chips on the rail. I take whatever is in my pocket “home”.
It just depends on what your goal is. I also play with 500 buy in. I place 66 inside and just tell the dealer to press one unit every hit. That's it. I play the hards about half the time for a buck each with one to the dealer. First hit is always just parlayed. I usually play a nickel on tbe alls. To me, I wouldn't even play if I was going to stop at 100 profit. Craps is all about that monster roll and you are severely limiting your chances by stopping as soon as you hit 100. Basically, your entire time at the table is going to be spent losing lol I play for fun. I want that monster where I hit the alls for 850 with everyone going nuts and whole casino staring, collect press everything to 100 and just collecting stacks. That's the fun. Lose. Lose. Lose. 100 bucks. Lose. 100 bucks. Lose. That sounds awful What are these guys suggesting for a stop loss? It can't be 500. It would take five winning sessions to make up one losing night.
10-15% is realistic, 20%+ is optimistic. $500 isn't much to work with, my recommendation is at least $1k for craps. Time isn't on your side at the table, so make meaningful bets with meaningful payouts. Or just YOLO it and not worry about a stop loss. What amount would you be satisfied with?
I personally do double or nothing. This works for my bankroll and financial situation and how often I get to go to a casino. I also mostly play the dark side and so far im a lifetime winner against casinos, this part is luck and positive variance on my side of things. For you I agree with u/korazair from now on when you hit 600$ that's your stop point. Anything over a 100$ win is your play money. Soon as you lose it, you're done. You're now a winner and can buy a steak dinner.
What is your secret to being a lifetime winner on a negative EV game
His secret (as he stated quite clearly) is luck and just landing on a streak of positive variance. There is no “real secret” bruh
Luck and making the best bets available and walking away when up. Eventually I'll join the lifetime losers group but for now I'm happy having the positive variance.
So if is truly a negative ev game wouldn’t the casino be losing money?
I think my comment was misinterpreted I do not stop at $100 profit. Once I have $100 profit that is what I pocket, leaving $500 on the rail to continue playing. Hit $100 again, put that in my pocket, so $200 in pocket, $500 on the rail, once that $500 on the rail hits 0, I walk away with the money I have placed in my pocket. My best night I walked away with $1500 when my rail/luck finally ran out.
So I’m pretty new to playing and a lower roller (max buy-in of $150-200 for a $15 table) but I can’t say that I’ve set a goal for profit to call it quits. Normally I just leave when I’ve got to be somewhere else or run out of playing money. That being said, I change my “playing money” throughout the game. So I’ll play conservatively at first and then once I’ve made enough profit to call my new bankroll (let’s say $100 or so), then I’ll pocket my original $200 and forget it existed. So even if I lose all my playing money, I’m still even. The last two times I’ve played, it was for 6ish hours each and I had to leave due to other conflicts, and I profited $180 and $230 those times. Clearly that won’t work if the dice aren’t in your favor at the beginning, but I guess that’s the game!
This depends on the trip. Usually when I'm at the craps table, my wife is playing craps. So I usually play until she is done. Could be 30 minutes or could be 3 hours. I'm there for the entertainment expecting to lose my bankroll. If I take home money that's great. However, if I double up I will usually leave the table. If I have a monster roll like I did in Biloxi, I'm going to take the $1000 I made on my roll and walk. It won't get better than that. If she isn't done I'll take a few hundred to a poker table and sit for a while. But I also don't use my entire buyin at the table. If I bring $600 to play with, I'm only buying in for $300. If that goes super quick I'll walk away, check on the wife, grab something to eat and come back later.
Try playing the don’t pass
Do you ever add come and don’t come vs just doing don’t pass?
Nope. If table is hot I find another table. How hard is it to find a cold table in Vegas?
With a $500 bankroll (this isn't much), you're looking to build your bank roll. At every stage, you're trying to build your bank roll to comfortably play larger stakes but with $500 you're strictly looking at purely building your bankroll. With that bankroll, I'm walking away when profits get in the range of $50-$100. Like another person said, once I get into that range I'm pocketing what I have, and then whatever is left on the rail is what I have to play with. The hardest part is always walking away from the table though. Especially when you feel you haven't knocked it out of the park. But you'll feel a lot better when you're playing off of casino money because you became disciplined.
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I generally aim for $100-300, and try to shoot at least 3 times(Local dicelord/craps god) you should develop a good strategy/plan when you play. A lot of people show up and just compulsively guess and its a sure fire way to always lose. I have a consistent strategy based on the iron cross, I posted it a while ago. Take some time to try to figure out what you are trying to accomplish and build a strategy to get you there.
Modified iron cross…right? Pure IC seems to kill everyone.
Typically, yes. The key to the IC is to understand how it works. Slow, steady wins. Smaller wins.
I’m more of a dark side IC strat. It works…but if 7s are flowing on the come out, I’ll hop them to hedge and not lose a bunch
In roulette I try to do 50% per session (usually a hour) then I’ll take a break. Eat dinner or whatever and buy back in with my original buy in and earlier profits and try tomorrow get a 50% increase on that
With Roulette? We are talking craps here though…much lower house edge than the high edge table game you are talking about.
I would say it’s not a number, but how good the table feels. If you’ve been there for almost 2 hours, but you final get a decent run of even 250-300 up, then I would leave and take a break. If you’ve been playing for 30 minutes, up that much, I would stay and sometimes you lose, but generally it’s the feel. I love rolling and tend to rarely 7 - out right away, so I try to wait it out until I roll again and play the pass line with some odds and then a number or 2.
Thank you.
So many strategies on YouTube. Pick one and try on Crapsee and see how it rolls out. If it fails try another one.
True. Thank you.
I watch crappy the craps guy and start with sweet 49. If I lose 2x then I switch to his cold table strategy which is roll out. Bet come bet (say $25) it rolls to number. Bet don’t come ($25) rolls to whatever. Then another come bet. It protects against point 7 out or short rollers. But watch his cold table strategy (I know, no such thing as a cold table. Whatever)
Great tip. I was unaware of this guy. Thank you.
If you losing 3-$500 a session, Quit playing! Have fun on Crapsee. If you still want to play live craps color up when you hit $100 profit.
I am rather new to craps and roulette. I have been keeping about $4,000 in my gambling fund and limit my bankroll to $800 per casino visit. I want to get to a minimum $8,000 bankroll so I can manage to lose no more than 10% at a time. My personal goal is to go home with a 50% profit. If I stop before that, it is because I am just tired or feel like my luck is starting to run out. I find that I am ahead at some point the majority of the time and the key is walking away while you are ahead. If I go in and start losing right off the bat, I call it a night and don’t lose the entire $800. It just seems like if I lose early, I never catch up. So, I leave and keep my money for another day. I am a boring and simple bettor. I can tell you that double or nothing will not work mathematically for 1-1 bets. Do the math and you will understand that you will be losing money after about the third or 4th bet even if you win the bet. For the 1-1 bets, I have been way more successful tripling the bet. Again, you WILL NOT make money doubling a 1-1 bet. You can go double or nothing on a 2-1 bet in roulette and potentially make more money and play longer than on a craps table doubling a 1-1 bet. Doubling a 2-1 bet guarantees you a 50% profit on your cumulative total bets. Under both scenarios, you are always subject to both hitting several times in a row of maxing out your payroll or be limited by the table limit. I am back and forth on my winnings. But, ahead of the casinos so far. I feel like I am limiting myself by lack of nerve and bankroll. I only go by my plan up to a point and then I chicken out on the bigger bets. I am going to add about $1,000 out of my paycheck each month to get it where I feel like it needs to be to feel comfortable with the larger bets and hopefully start building with winnings from there.