Ahh I see it. I can sort of make it out. Dang this guy was talking on the stand with their dead bodies lingering over him. I can only imagine what the courtroom was thinking
The latest video titled "body cam evidence" freeze frame at 1:27:27 has a shot of them on the couch, you can make out Ray's head but Ana seems oddly contorted, almost like her back was originally towards Ray while she was sitting cross legged (the cross legged picture was actually from another video that showed the bullets they said Ali dumped on her after he shot her) Maybe she was leaning resting backwards on Ray.
I'm aware that it's collectively believed Ali placed her head on Ray's lap, and that very well may be true but it does seem from what I've noticed in the blurry shots so far that Ana was snuggling with Ray (although it doesn't really matter at this point, really at any point did it matter since they were separated) just something interesting I thought I'd point out.
Also interesting to see on that bodycam that there wasn't any attempt to clean the mess Ali left after trashing her place. The pumpkin was still there just squashed.
Damn. It’s still crazy to me that 1.) Anna stayed there after she knew Ali trashed the place (clearly he had a key) and 2.) Ray felt comfortable being there (I suspect maybe it was a bravado thing like ‘I don’t give a fck if your man’s mad, let him be mad' sorta thing).
If I saw that mess I would’ve turned on my heels and bounced. I’d be afraid Ali was somewhere in the house waiting to ambush me
Again, hindsight is always 20/20
I don't think it takes hindsight to realize it's probably not a safe idea to bang a married woman with a coked up insane husband inside of their apartment. I know they weren't hooking up at the time of the shooting but as a general rule of self preservation you probably shouldnt sleep with married women or have months long affairs with them.
I wouldn't even want to be caught leaving the building! Ray was a part of the friend group so he knew what was going on. If dudes willing to beat the shit out of his wife what do you think he's gonna do to a guy he doesn't even like that's not sleeping with her??
Those are actually good points I didn't think about. I like to analyze the human behavior in these crimes and look at things from the perspectives of everyone involved.
Why was that mess not taken care of sooner? Or the waters that were part of the groceries Ali sent Ana never taken inside? Ali trashes her place while she's gone, then he heads to the hotel to spend the rest of the night listening for her to come home I would think (he says he fell asleep but I don't believe that)
What I'm thinking is that Ana and Ray spend the day together and maybe becoming inebriated. I would like to know the toxicology reports of Ana and Ray if they were performed.
The reason I point this out is when you mentioned Ray's bravado, what I think happened is that they were both maybe coming down from a day of drinking and drugs (she had a pack of cocaine in her hand) and was the reason they lazily disregarded the mess around them as well as the crazy husband who's obviously still obsessed
Do you know who the man is in [this photo](https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2024/05/Video-12.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&fit=1920%2C1080&w=1575&h=886&crop=1) with Ana?
Whats really chilling is that he shot Ana in forehead! He had to have been looking at her, the mother of his little girl, looking at her directly in the eyes.
I just finished the peacock documentary, he had a lot of hatred towards her. Unfortunately I don't think he cared by then and even now doesn't care. At his pretrial the investigator announced one of his findings that Ana had invited Ray to a hotel and Ali yelled "bitch" in court
I was curious about this too. Only because the prosecution alluded to gunpowder residue being on his cheek.
The defense team's approach to this case is so fascinating. If Ali is on trial to determine whether he killed his wife and her friend in the heat of passion or whether it was premeditated — why would the defense not call for a crime scene / ballistics expert and/or the coroner to establish 1.) the sequence / order in which they were shot 2.) calculate the amount of time it took for Ali to first discharge his weapon from when he opened the door 3.) map the trajectories of each bullet fired related to their wounds 4.) determine the distance they were fired from 5.) match it all up with the audio to see if it lines up with Ali's testimony and the bodies’ final positions after the fact?
Seems like the defense knows it’s a lost cause and are doing the bare minimum to save some tax dollars lol
I wondered why he wasn't interrupted while absolutely losing his sh!t on the witness stand. I got the impression his defense team hates him and with him admitting guilt what's the point of stopping him? He is showing his true colors and he is a menace to society. He deserves to spend the rest of his life in the prison he has created for himself.
The judge seems to keep a fairly relaxed decorum in the courtroom. I figured Ali cussing, interrupting, being defiant, etc would receive some sort of warning from the judge or be grounds for contempt but I’ve seen nothing.
I thought the lack of experts called to testify was interesting (unless they didn’t livestream those parts of the trial) as well as the lack of objections to hearsay
It was blurred out of the closing arguments video, but it was a close up of ray's head, and his cheek had very clear powder residue, it looked almost like you put a cigarette out on his cheek. it was horrible. I hope he and ana get justice they deserve.
Oh dang. Wow. Do you know if the medical examiner testified? The whole trial doesn't appear to have been uploaded. Would have liked to see testimony from any experts as well as from law enforcement who first arrived on the scene
I just spent 30 minutes drafting up a scenario of how i thought events went down thinking Ana was shot once, apparently she was shot more than once?
This is why looking at the crime scene photos would help in knowing how exactly stuff went down
Imo I think he had it set in his mind that if he caught them together alone he'd kill Ray. He overkilled shooting Ray 4 times and I think shot Ana just once in the head? (She may have gotten hit also by the one that went through his cheek)(he had shot 6 total but one missed) He wanted her to see Ray die in front of her, but I'm a little on the fence on if he meant to kill Ana and decided to do so in the heat of the moment (given that he was coked out of his mind as well). I think this because one of these people obviously was the target for him and it's the one that was shot up 4 times.
If you listen to the audio of the shooting you can actually picture the moment he gives Ana the killshot (there's a brief delay between the first 5 shots and last one)
I believe it was planned in that IF he caught evidence of Ana seeing a guy he'd kill the guy and maybe was hoping he wouldn't hear anything on the tablet he set up. He went off the rails when he realized he happens to get his "evidence" on the very first day he sets the tablet up. All that coke he took on the way to Ana's apt was preparation for what he was about to do.
What do you think though?
He KNEW that Ana was moving on & going to divorce him.He went there to kill both of them.He even took the pictures of their dead bodies after killing them & sent them to his parents & a friend.In his mind he probably thought that people will understand his rage & justification for murdering them but that wasn‘t the case.
I remember in the documentary the police said that Ali admitted to the detective that he was deliberately smirking at Ana before shooting her in the forehead. It seemed like he was trying to mimic Tony Montana.
This guy has someone active on his ig posting for him and he’s having people send him emails while in jail now. What a psycho that even after killing 2 people he has the audacity to think he still has fans
Documentary produced by 50 cent "TikTok Star Murders" is being released Today (June 25th) on Peacock @ 9amPST / 12pmEST.
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/new-documentary-double-murder-tiktok-star-ali-abulaban/509-6bb7b4fe-baa2-40ce-822c-6f2ad1d56683
His sentencing is on June 28.
I saw a screenshot during a video I listened to/watched when the Prosecution was talking about his gun and the number of bullets he used. Prosecutor was mentioning the un"spent" five bullets on the floor of their apartment, and showed the scene. Ray and Ana's figures were on the couch. I noticed her head down, just as the Prosecutor suggested - that Ali shoved her head into Ray after he shot her.
I will try to find it. I drove 7+ hours from the south to the north and listened to 4 or 5 different videos of Ali on the stand. It's in one of them....
This was posted in another forum...not the one I saw, but close. Still looking for what I saw!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l70lk57/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l70lk57/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Another : [https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD\_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV](https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV) 1:27:23 - if you zoom in, you can see them on the couch. Not a slide presentation, this is body cam.
This was posted in another forum...not the one I saw, but close. Still looking for what I saw!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l61hwrp/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l61hwrp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Yea. There are a bunch of quick blips of the scene in various videos when he's on the stand. Rumor has it he put his wife's head in Ray's lap after shooting them, AND he unloaded a clip of bullets into her lap.
Not sure what the truth is, of course.
Hope he ROTS for life!
Another : [https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD\_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV](https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV) 1:27:23 - if you zoom in, you can see them on the couch. Not a slide presentation, this is body cam.
It’s at 2:13:36 in his cross exam. A little hazy but it gives you context. https://youtu.be/DMuqEGEJMfM?si=KtRzmhxY9jMMET1X
Whoa. Is that Anna sitting to Ray’s left (but upper body is across his lap) and Ray is leaned back on the couch?
It looks like it. Have you seen the photo of the bullets Ali dumped on Ana's lap? It shows a bit more on how she was originally sitting
Are you referring to what's being shown on the projector?
yes, thats ray laying back on the couch bloody and ana's head on his lap where ali put it
Ahh I see it. I can sort of make it out. Dang this guy was talking on the stand with their dead bodies lingering over him. I can only imagine what the courtroom was thinking
That’s not the image though that’s a rendering of the bodies.. the actual pic was shown during the closing arguments video.
The latest video titled "body cam evidence" freeze frame at 1:27:27 has a shot of them on the couch, you can make out Ray's head but Ana seems oddly contorted, almost like her back was originally towards Ray while she was sitting cross legged (the cross legged picture was actually from another video that showed the bullets they said Ali dumped on her after he shot her) Maybe she was leaning resting backwards on Ray. I'm aware that it's collectively believed Ali placed her head on Ray's lap, and that very well may be true but it does seem from what I've noticed in the blurry shots so far that Ana was snuggling with Ray (although it doesn't really matter at this point, really at any point did it matter since they were separated) just something interesting I thought I'd point out. Also interesting to see on that bodycam that there wasn't any attempt to clean the mess Ali left after trashing her place. The pumpkin was still there just squashed.
Damn. It’s still crazy to me that 1.) Anna stayed there after she knew Ali trashed the place (clearly he had a key) and 2.) Ray felt comfortable being there (I suspect maybe it was a bravado thing like ‘I don’t give a fck if your man’s mad, let him be mad' sorta thing). If I saw that mess I would’ve turned on my heels and bounced. I’d be afraid Ali was somewhere in the house waiting to ambush me Again, hindsight is always 20/20
I don't think it takes hindsight to realize it's probably not a safe idea to bang a married woman with a coked up insane husband inside of their apartment. I know they weren't hooking up at the time of the shooting but as a general rule of self preservation you probably shouldnt sleep with married women or have months long affairs with them.
You are so right. There is no way I would have stay in my apartment knowing Ali had a key if I was Anna...no way
I wouldn't even want to be caught leaving the building! Ray was a part of the friend group so he knew what was going on. If dudes willing to beat the shit out of his wife what do you think he's gonna do to a guy he doesn't even like that's not sleeping with her??
Weird that she didn’t bother to clean up the mess (flowers and pumpkin all over the floor) before chilling on the couch with Ray either.
Those are actually good points I didn't think about. I like to analyze the human behavior in these crimes and look at things from the perspectives of everyone involved. Why was that mess not taken care of sooner? Or the waters that were part of the groceries Ali sent Ana never taken inside? Ali trashes her place while she's gone, then he heads to the hotel to spend the rest of the night listening for her to come home I would think (he says he fell asleep but I don't believe that) What I'm thinking is that Ana and Ray spend the day together and maybe becoming inebriated. I would like to know the toxicology reports of Ana and Ray if they were performed. The reason I point this out is when you mentioned Ray's bravado, what I think happened is that they were both maybe coming down from a day of drinking and drugs (she had a pack of cocaine in her hand) and was the reason they lazily disregarded the mess around them as well as the crazy husband who's obviously still obsessed
Do you know who the man is in [this photo](https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2024/05/Video-12.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&fit=1920%2C1080&w=1575&h=886&crop=1) with Ana?
Its Ray, you can tell by the tattoo. Ali doesn’t have tattoo’s
Apparently it's ali. Doesn't look like him huh? But Apparently that's him with short hair
She may have felt safer with Ray being there. I'm sure if she thought she was going to be shot that day she would have been somewhere else.
Was it taken down?
Whats really chilling is that he shot Ana in forehead! He had to have been looking at her, the mother of his little girl, looking at her directly in the eyes.
I just finished the peacock documentary, he had a lot of hatred towards her. Unfortunately I don't think he cared by then and even now doesn't care. At his pretrial the investigator announced one of his findings that Ana had invited Ray to a hotel and Ali yelled "bitch" in court
You mean Ali yelled in court?
How did they know that Ana was having an affair for sure?
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I was curious about this too. Only because the prosecution alluded to gunpowder residue being on his cheek. The defense team's approach to this case is so fascinating. If Ali is on trial to determine whether he killed his wife and her friend in the heat of passion or whether it was premeditated — why would the defense not call for a crime scene / ballistics expert and/or the coroner to establish 1.) the sequence / order in which they were shot 2.) calculate the amount of time it took for Ali to first discharge his weapon from when he opened the door 3.) map the trajectories of each bullet fired related to their wounds 4.) determine the distance they were fired from 5.) match it all up with the audio to see if it lines up with Ali's testimony and the bodies’ final positions after the fact? Seems like the defense knows it’s a lost cause and are doing the bare minimum to save some tax dollars lol
I wondered why he wasn't interrupted while absolutely losing his sh!t on the witness stand. I got the impression his defense team hates him and with him admitting guilt what's the point of stopping him? He is showing his true colors and he is a menace to society. He deserves to spend the rest of his life in the prison he has created for himself.
The judge seems to keep a fairly relaxed decorum in the courtroom. I figured Ali cussing, interrupting, being defiant, etc would receive some sort of warning from the judge or be grounds for contempt but I’ve seen nothing. I thought the lack of experts called to testify was interesting (unless they didn’t livestream those parts of the trial) as well as the lack of objections to hearsay
It was blurred out of the closing arguments video, but it was a close up of ray's head, and his cheek had very clear powder residue, it looked almost like you put a cigarette out on his cheek. it was horrible. I hope he and ana get justice they deserve.
Oh dang. Wow. Do you know if the medical examiner testified? The whole trial doesn't appear to have been uploaded. Would have liked to see testimony from any experts as well as from law enforcement who first arrived on the scene
courttv is slowly uploading the testimonies, the law enforcement ones are up today
That is horrible. What made it even more sick is that he manipulated the bodies after he killed them.
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I just spent 30 minutes drafting up a scenario of how i thought events went down thinking Ana was shot once, apparently she was shot more than once? This is why looking at the crime scene photos would help in knowing how exactly stuff went down
I would like to know too
I can’t seem to find any of the photos now either. So what does everyone think? Passion or premeditated malice?
Imo I think he had it set in his mind that if he caught them together alone he'd kill Ray. He overkilled shooting Ray 4 times and I think shot Ana just once in the head? (She may have gotten hit also by the one that went through his cheek)(he had shot 6 total but one missed) He wanted her to see Ray die in front of her, but I'm a little on the fence on if he meant to kill Ana and decided to do so in the heat of the moment (given that he was coked out of his mind as well). I think this because one of these people obviously was the target for him and it's the one that was shot up 4 times. If you listen to the audio of the shooting you can actually picture the moment he gives Ana the killshot (there's a brief delay between the first 5 shots and last one) I believe it was planned in that IF he caught evidence of Ana seeing a guy he'd kill the guy and maybe was hoping he wouldn't hear anything on the tablet he set up. He went off the rails when he realized he happens to get his "evidence" on the very first day he sets the tablet up. All that coke he took on the way to Ana's apt was preparation for what he was about to do. What do you think though?
He KNEW that Ana was moving on & going to divorce him.He went there to kill both of them.He even took the pictures of their dead bodies after killing them & sent them to his parents & a friend.In his mind he probably thought that people will understand his rage & justification for murdering them but that wasn‘t the case.
I remember in the documentary the police said that Ali admitted to the detective that he was deliberately smirking at Ana before shooting her in the forehead. It seemed like he was trying to mimic Tony Montana.
This guy has someone active on his ig posting for him and he’s having people send him emails while in jail now. What a psycho that even after killing 2 people he has the audacity to think he still has fans
Documentary produced by 50 cent "TikTok Star Murders" is being released Today (June 25th) on Peacock @ 9amPST / 12pmEST. https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/new-documentary-double-murder-tiktok-star-ali-abulaban/509-6bb7b4fe-baa2-40ce-822c-6f2ad1d56683 His sentencing is on June 28.
Started watching thank you for the heads up! It's insane, they have never before seen footage including clear audio of the shooting as taken by Ali
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I got a screen shot of the blurry photo from far away and kinda edited to where you can see it better, it’s very sad 😔
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Why? Why does anyone need that. He was a person. There’s a reason they aren’t showing it. A reason it was quickly taken down. Have you no shame?
Which video did they accidentally show it in?
The prosecutors closing argument
I saw a screenshot during a video I listened to/watched when the Prosecution was talking about his gun and the number of bullets he used. Prosecutor was mentioning the un"spent" five bullets on the floor of their apartment, and showed the scene. Ray and Ana's figures were on the couch. I noticed her head down, just as the Prosecutor suggested - that Ali shoved her head into Ray after he shot her.
What is the video link please?
I will try to find it. I drove 7+ hours from the south to the north and listened to 4 or 5 different videos of Ali on the stand. It's in one of them....
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YES. I'm going to go back through my viewing history to see if I can find it. Give me a couple days. I promise to look!!
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This was posted in another forum...not the one I saw, but close. Still looking for what I saw! [https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l70lk57/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l70lk57/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Another : [https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD\_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV](https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV) 1:27:23 - if you zoom in, you can see them on the couch. Not a slide presentation, this is body cam.
This was posted in another forum...not the one I saw, but close. Still looking for what I saw! [https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l61hwrp/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeJunkiePodcast/comments/1d0q9xi/comment/l61hwrp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
thank you! I see it now. Really blurry but wow, what an image. Can't believe he took photos as well its insane
Yea. There are a bunch of quick blips of the scene in various videos when he's on the stand. Rumor has it he put his wife's head in Ray's lap after shooting them, AND he unloaded a clip of bullets into her lap. Not sure what the truth is, of course. Hope he ROTS for life!
What time in the video did you see it?
2:13:36
Another : [https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD\_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV](https://youtu.be/1MKUEJD_Xag?si=eJpLSVPUTcDhuqIV) 1:27:23 - if you zoom in, you can see them on the couch. Not a slide presentation, this is body cam.
Does anyone know if the medical examiner testified or if autopsy results are available?
No
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Same I was wondering the same since it all sounds confusing asf
I am just rewatching and must have missed that first time, yes i can see him on the couch. That shocked me
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