Eh - I get what you’re saying but I don’t think they’ve become anti-police. Ashley has mentioned the importance of police in the past and spends a lot of time speaking with them.
The cases they are covering are big enough to draw in attention. As horrible as this is, most murder cases with simple resolutions and endings are not detailed or plot driven enough to make a 45 minute podcast out of. Statistically speaking, it makes sense that cases of missing people and serial killers have lots of room for police negligence or misconduct. It seems like every case that the police refuse to investigate, shred paperwork, etc. You can’t explain why I case wasn’t resolved without those details.
In terms of the “social justice” comments, it seems like necessary context of the case, right? Many victims of crime are from marginalized communities and it’s really hard to explain why these cases weren’t properly covered without bringing those points up.
I also want to note that there is a ton of hate on true crime podcasts right now. Creators are getting called out left and right for taking advantage of these victims and I would argue that they are making an effort to call attention to patterns that may prevent future crime. I’ll hop off my ted talk for the day but consider what the societal value of true crime podcasts are if not raising awareness.
Edit: I have been around since 2018 and have noticed that this conversation is much more present than it was. It seems that creators are being held accountable in new ways and I’d like to think that it’s not a political choice, just an ethical one.
I wouldn't say anti-police really. It's just that they dig on every little thing when they have no actually experience in the field and neither do most of the listeners. so it's very easy to judge when you're not there. Of course, I am not saying that there aren't serious issues to talk about.
I agree that of course the cases that are not closed need the most attention, and often times the reason a case is not closed can be due to bad police work. But let's just admit that with them obviously being in the field of focusing on open/cold cases that we don't give police credit for the cases that are closed.
About the refusing the investigate. Police really do receive calls of missing people all the time and most end up being just fine, this is true and we know this. We aren't going to see all of those cases. The only ones we hear about are the ones where it just so happens that the victim was actually missing or murdered, and so obviously that causes anger or outrage, but I just wish people would try to put yourself in the place of these officers. We really have no idea what it's like on the ground. There are serious issues with them being overworked and understaffed all over the country.
I can agree that marginalized communities suffer from this often, but to assume that every single time there was a missing/murdered black, indigenous, etc. person that it must've been because they werent being given the same rights or respect as others may have is a bit much and really just quite an assumption to make. That is literally what is said on every podcast about these types of cases now.
I think they have always received hate for taking advantage of victims, and this is always going to be a raised issue anytime somebody is making money this way.
I think that the conversation is much more present than it was, but I think it is slightly political because now that it's a conversation everybody is having, of course they are going to join in to appear more sympathetic. I don't necessarily think that Ashley or Brittney are bad people and only use this platform to reach a larger audience. I believe this is truly where they stand on these issues, but I just feel that every single thing we listen or watch nowadays has turned political and it's honestly not what I want hear about everytime I look to something for enjoyment. I think we can all agree that this is for the enjoyment of its viewers, and if people want to say that's not true then their lying to themselves.
Just to summarize my thoughts on this by paragraph:
1: Brit used to work for a PI. They get their cases suggested by law enforcement. You can have strong experience and knowledge without being a cop yourself.
2: Their job is not to give police credit, it’s not anyone’s job to do that. It’s great that police solve some cases but they do choose that career path and choose to be on the front lines of these cases. When you are talking about people being alive or not, the ones you lose tend to stand out more. There are tons of media outlets that celebrate police if that is your preferred messaging.
3: I am by no means saying police don’t have hard jobs or that outside factors don’t contribute. Again, police officers make the decision to be police officers. They are dealing with highly sensitive information and if anything, I would argue that many of them do not have the level of skill needed to perform their duties. It is not a personal knock, it is just a requirement of a role like any other role. And we really cannot get started on the “most of them turn out fine” argument when we are talking about real. people’s. lives.
4: I don’t ever hear them saying that being a minority person is THE reason or really even definitively saying it is a reason. They are bringing up a potential reason for a problem. It seems like a person trying to solve a case should be exploring all their options, right? Otherwise they are no better than the police officers who think they know what happened and try to map their case around it.
Ultimately, you are choosing to listen to a privatized podcast run by people with thoughts. Many people feel that their choice to bring up systemic issues brings more contextual information to the podcast. If you feel like it is not useful information, then it may be better to get your news from somewhere else. Yes, we all listen because we enjoy listening but there are some spaces where you can turn this context on or off. It seems like trying to turn off the political narrative insinuates that you would rather have a personalized podcast experience than an effective or ethical one. That works for many genres, I just don’t think life or death situations should be one of them.
I mean…what do you expect? A lot of these cases are prime examples of shitty policing 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t think they’re anti-police, but tired of seeing the same avoidable situations over and over again from the policing infrastructure. There have a been some positive comments about police efforts in some episodes as well. Unfortunately and unsurprisingly, the negative outweighs the positive.
yeah, I agree about the infrastructure of the justice system. but sometimes you enjoy watching or listening to things for enjoyment and I'm not always interested in political debates. I think we can admit that we listen to crime podcasts for our own enjoyment. if you say otherwise, you're lying
I’ve kinda always felt this sentiment while listening, but then again, they cover a lot of cold cases and there’s a reason these cases went cold to begin with—lack of evidence and/or shortcomings from the people working the case. That’s not to say that LE does a poor job on all or anywhere near most of their cases, but it’s a factor to consider when looking at the cases CJ covers. I’ve begun listening to Anatomy of Murder more than CJ, they try to bring on investigators from each case and look at cases not only from the victim’s family’s perspective but also from the case investigators’ view. Worth a listen if you’d like a change of pace.
I never got the idea that they hated police. They pose a lot of logical questions about their competence or intentions in some case but I don’t think it was ever baseless either. There are many CJ cases where the cops did in fact drop the ball for one reason or another and I don’t think it’s crazy to question any institution with the power that cops in America have
Shady cops are also something that ALL people are still experiencing to this day. If you get tired of hearing about it imagine how tiring it os to experience
I guess because I worked on the investigation side of police work, I share a bit of this same outlook and find myself cringing when they have this superiority complex like they can do more than police can. And sure, in some instances they have this reach and audience that police and investigators don’t.
I don’t necessarily feel like this is a safe space to air out my opinions on that facet of the show, but it doesn’t go unnoticed.
thank you. it's just because most of the people that have criticisms do not work in this field. It's very easy to talk about everything they do wrong after it's already happened, and half the time they have no idea what it's actually like. They just make assumptions on how it should be simple to do this and that.
The downvotes are kind of proving the lack of safe space to have an opinion even if you’ve been on the other side of it. Eek.
Until someone is on the other side it really is so hard to hear all of the criticisms and just succumb to being agreeable. Not all are incorrect, but some are extremely harsh criticisms that you cannot even fathom if you’ve been on the other side of it.
Yes, the podcast is so narrative focused now and not facts focused it's kind of hard to listen to. Still can't believe they did a whole podcast accusing 2 people of murder when no evidence whatsoever points to that (the one where the girl got drunk and got in the car with some people that crashed)
I am about 9 months behind on listening. I am about done. I am over this podcast.. There are so many changes that have not gone over well with me. Almost like they are trying to get on a level of a different social group.
I think this comes from Brit mostly. For the past year or so she has been close to ruining the podcast to me. Still listen but every single episode it’s like damn. Why do I still listen to this one.
I agree. Brit is a little more out there with her ideas. She is honestly borderline annoying. I've listened to every episode. Some more than a couple times, but I stopped watching this last year because it just became insufferable, but clearly they are reaching their target audience and there are plenty of them so it's likely to stay this way.
Eh - I get what you’re saying but I don’t think they’ve become anti-police. Ashley has mentioned the importance of police in the past and spends a lot of time speaking with them. The cases they are covering are big enough to draw in attention. As horrible as this is, most murder cases with simple resolutions and endings are not detailed or plot driven enough to make a 45 minute podcast out of. Statistically speaking, it makes sense that cases of missing people and serial killers have lots of room for police negligence or misconduct. It seems like every case that the police refuse to investigate, shred paperwork, etc. You can’t explain why I case wasn’t resolved without those details. In terms of the “social justice” comments, it seems like necessary context of the case, right? Many victims of crime are from marginalized communities and it’s really hard to explain why these cases weren’t properly covered without bringing those points up. I also want to note that there is a ton of hate on true crime podcasts right now. Creators are getting called out left and right for taking advantage of these victims and I would argue that they are making an effort to call attention to patterns that may prevent future crime. I’ll hop off my ted talk for the day but consider what the societal value of true crime podcasts are if not raising awareness. Edit: I have been around since 2018 and have noticed that this conversation is much more present than it was. It seems that creators are being held accountable in new ways and I’d like to think that it’s not a political choice, just an ethical one.
I wouldn't say anti-police really. It's just that they dig on every little thing when they have no actually experience in the field and neither do most of the listeners. so it's very easy to judge when you're not there. Of course, I am not saying that there aren't serious issues to talk about. I agree that of course the cases that are not closed need the most attention, and often times the reason a case is not closed can be due to bad police work. But let's just admit that with them obviously being in the field of focusing on open/cold cases that we don't give police credit for the cases that are closed. About the refusing the investigate. Police really do receive calls of missing people all the time and most end up being just fine, this is true and we know this. We aren't going to see all of those cases. The only ones we hear about are the ones where it just so happens that the victim was actually missing or murdered, and so obviously that causes anger or outrage, but I just wish people would try to put yourself in the place of these officers. We really have no idea what it's like on the ground. There are serious issues with them being overworked and understaffed all over the country. I can agree that marginalized communities suffer from this often, but to assume that every single time there was a missing/murdered black, indigenous, etc. person that it must've been because they werent being given the same rights or respect as others may have is a bit much and really just quite an assumption to make. That is literally what is said on every podcast about these types of cases now. I think they have always received hate for taking advantage of victims, and this is always going to be a raised issue anytime somebody is making money this way. I think that the conversation is much more present than it was, but I think it is slightly political because now that it's a conversation everybody is having, of course they are going to join in to appear more sympathetic. I don't necessarily think that Ashley or Brittney are bad people and only use this platform to reach a larger audience. I believe this is truly where they stand on these issues, but I just feel that every single thing we listen or watch nowadays has turned political and it's honestly not what I want hear about everytime I look to something for enjoyment. I think we can all agree that this is for the enjoyment of its viewers, and if people want to say that's not true then their lying to themselves.
Just to summarize my thoughts on this by paragraph: 1: Brit used to work for a PI. They get their cases suggested by law enforcement. You can have strong experience and knowledge without being a cop yourself. 2: Their job is not to give police credit, it’s not anyone’s job to do that. It’s great that police solve some cases but they do choose that career path and choose to be on the front lines of these cases. When you are talking about people being alive or not, the ones you lose tend to stand out more. There are tons of media outlets that celebrate police if that is your preferred messaging. 3: I am by no means saying police don’t have hard jobs or that outside factors don’t contribute. Again, police officers make the decision to be police officers. They are dealing with highly sensitive information and if anything, I would argue that many of them do not have the level of skill needed to perform their duties. It is not a personal knock, it is just a requirement of a role like any other role. And we really cannot get started on the “most of them turn out fine” argument when we are talking about real. people’s. lives. 4: I don’t ever hear them saying that being a minority person is THE reason or really even definitively saying it is a reason. They are bringing up a potential reason for a problem. It seems like a person trying to solve a case should be exploring all their options, right? Otherwise they are no better than the police officers who think they know what happened and try to map their case around it. Ultimately, you are choosing to listen to a privatized podcast run by people with thoughts. Many people feel that their choice to bring up systemic issues brings more contextual information to the podcast. If you feel like it is not useful information, then it may be better to get your news from somewhere else. Yes, we all listen because we enjoy listening but there are some spaces where you can turn this context on or off. It seems like trying to turn off the political narrative insinuates that you would rather have a personalized podcast experience than an effective or ethical one. That works for many genres, I just don’t think life or death situations should be one of them.
I’ve noticed, but also there’s some truth in it, I’ve noticed cops fail to do their job when it’s poc mostly. And it’s very unfortunate.
I mean…what do you expect? A lot of these cases are prime examples of shitty policing 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t think they’re anti-police, but tired of seeing the same avoidable situations over and over again from the policing infrastructure. There have a been some positive comments about police efforts in some episodes as well. Unfortunately and unsurprisingly, the negative outweighs the positive.
yeah, I agree about the infrastructure of the justice system. but sometimes you enjoy watching or listening to things for enjoyment and I'm not always interested in political debates. I think we can admit that we listen to crime podcasts for our own enjoyment. if you say otherwise, you're lying
Y’all act like they force y’all to listen. They’ll do fine without the 3 of you complainers listening. 😆
Anyone throwing hate at the police is just fine in my book.
I’ve kinda always felt this sentiment while listening, but then again, they cover a lot of cold cases and there’s a reason these cases went cold to begin with—lack of evidence and/or shortcomings from the people working the case. That’s not to say that LE does a poor job on all or anywhere near most of their cases, but it’s a factor to consider when looking at the cases CJ covers. I’ve begun listening to Anatomy of Murder more than CJ, they try to bring on investigators from each case and look at cases not only from the victim’s family’s perspective but also from the case investigators’ view. Worth a listen if you’d like a change of pace.
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I never got the idea that they hated police. They pose a lot of logical questions about their competence or intentions in some case but I don’t think it was ever baseless either. There are many CJ cases where the cops did in fact drop the ball for one reason or another and I don’t think it’s crazy to question any institution with the power that cops in America have Shady cops are also something that ALL people are still experiencing to this day. If you get tired of hearing about it imagine how tiring it os to experience
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I guess because I worked on the investigation side of police work, I share a bit of this same outlook and find myself cringing when they have this superiority complex like they can do more than police can. And sure, in some instances they have this reach and audience that police and investigators don’t. I don’t necessarily feel like this is a safe space to air out my opinions on that facet of the show, but it doesn’t go unnoticed.
thank you. it's just because most of the people that have criticisms do not work in this field. It's very easy to talk about everything they do wrong after it's already happened, and half the time they have no idea what it's actually like. They just make assumptions on how it should be simple to do this and that.
The downvotes are kind of proving the lack of safe space to have an opinion even if you’ve been on the other side of it. Eek. Until someone is on the other side it really is so hard to hear all of the criticisms and just succumb to being agreeable. Not all are incorrect, but some are extremely harsh criticisms that you cannot even fathom if you’ve been on the other side of it.
Yes, the podcast is so narrative focused now and not facts focused it's kind of hard to listen to. Still can't believe they did a whole podcast accusing 2 people of murder when no evidence whatsoever points to that (the one where the girl got drunk and got in the car with some people that crashed)
I am about 9 months behind on listening. I am about done. I am over this podcast.. There are so many changes that have not gone over well with me. Almost like they are trying to get on a level of a different social group.
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Lol people are entitled to an opinion. go somewhere else
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I think this comes from Brit mostly. For the past year or so she has been close to ruining the podcast to me. Still listen but every single episode it’s like damn. Why do I still listen to this one.
I agree. Brit is a little more out there with her ideas. She is honestly borderline annoying. I've listened to every episode. Some more than a couple times, but I stopped watching this last year because it just became insufferable, but clearly they are reaching their target audience and there are plenty of them so it's likely to stay this way.
Bingo. Target audience.