Wally has a lot of speed force fuckery powers right?
Given the amount of speedster on speedster fights I’d be surprised if there wasn’t some “if I vibrate at the same/opposite frequency, I can negate the phasing” or some such mentioned at some point.
Wally is much, much better at phasing than Inertia and could keep him in place. Phasers can counter other phasers. Wally's forced Martian Manhunter to unphase a couple of times. Walter West, an alternate universe Wally, did it to main universe Wally when they fought! It comes up here and there.
Heck, if I recall correctly in the next page or two Wally says he's drawing Inertia's speed away from him with his speed stealing, which would also stop him from phasing. And he goes on to make it much more permanent.
Also, as a final final note, Inertia doesn't get his speed from the Speed Force. He uses Velocity 9, a temporary super speed granting drug, to simulate his super speed. And that doesn't give phasing/molecular control powers.
Speedsters forgetting they can phase is a tried and true constant thing with them for sure. But yeah this is one of those times where it's perfectly reasonable from every angle.
Well actually it wasn’t until this storyline that inertia had to get his speed that way as Bart had somehow taken the speed force into himself (if I’m remembering this correctly).
I suppose I should've specified that it was at this time. The reveal happened at the end of Bart's sordid Flash run that he was juicing with Velocity 9.
I believe Inertia was in the process of trying to get his natural speed back when Wally caught him. Bart's short term girlfriend was doing something with the machine which is why the power wasn't directly transferred to Inertia in the story itself. It's all a bit vague though.
He was freed and gained the same powers as Zoom and became Kid Zoom but got killed immediately by the Rogues and never appeared again in pre-flashpoint continuity... Yeah...
Other Speedsters can counter-phase to stop it from happening. If a Speedster has you in their grasp, no real point in trying it unless they themselves don’t know how to phase.
Speedsters in DC phase by vibrating their molecules fast enough to match the vibrational frequency of the molecules in an object and pass between them. This only works if the thing they're trying to move through can't *also* change its vibrational frequency. If Inertia tried to phase through Wally's grasp, Wally could just vibrate at a different frequency and continue holding him.
I honestly think speedsters need to be to nerfed slightly. It's the same reason why CW Flash can get ragged on so much by some people. (even though I personally like it)
Because phasing through solid objects is one of the more difficult speedster tricks. In the heat of the moment it's probably hard for them to turn on even if they're super fast. If I recall correctly, canonically, Wally couldn't do it for a while without blowing up the object he phased through.
Because that literal wouldnt work against Wally.
Wally and Barry as wel can touch, hit and manipulate untangible/phazing characters.
So yeah vs most others that might work, not against Flash. 🤷
Also Inertia isnt connected to the Speedforce and has no phazing ability if I remember correctly.
It was written by Mark Waid and drawn by multiple people that I don't feel like listing. It's basically the aftermath of the very smelly The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive series, where Bart becomes the Flash. And yes, it's called All Flash #1. I don't know why it's called that.
"He screams like a bag a of rats. He tries to run. But he's not going anywhere."
"I'm maintaining the speed force in a way I never have before."
"I can draw the speed right out of him."
You can't post images here, so is that it?
Yeah. He says that he's drawing the speed right out of him, and I would assume that would disable his phasing ability given that he needs speed to vibrate.
In addition to what others are saying, isn't this also right when Wally came back from being lost in the Speed Force or something with a huge power up?
Can't they also vibrate even faster than the guy trying to phase through and it still wouldn't work? Or so they have have to vibrating at the exact same frequency?
It's not exactly a speed thing. It's just your molecules vibrating enough to go through most things so any speedster who knows how to do it or characters like Martian Manhunter who use shapeshifting for the same thing can still grab them
I thought you need to vibrate your molecules at a higher frequency than the frequency whatever you are trying to vibrate through? Is that not how it works?
Wally has a lot of speed force fuckery powers right? Given the amount of speedster on speedster fights I’d be surprised if there wasn’t some “if I vibrate at the same/opposite frequency, I can negate the phasing” or some such mentioned at some point.
That is exactly how it works. Wally and Barry have even done it to non speedsters like Martian Manhunter, Golden Glider, and...ghosts, somehow.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he could just unphase him somehow lol
It's how they use phased bullets to get the Flash.
Wally is much, much better at phasing than Inertia and could keep him in place. Phasers can counter other phasers. Wally's forced Martian Manhunter to unphase a couple of times. Walter West, an alternate universe Wally, did it to main universe Wally when they fought! It comes up here and there. Heck, if I recall correctly in the next page or two Wally says he's drawing Inertia's speed away from him with his speed stealing, which would also stop him from phasing. And he goes on to make it much more permanent. Also, as a final final note, Inertia doesn't get his speed from the Speed Force. He uses Velocity 9, a temporary super speed granting drug, to simulate his super speed. And that doesn't give phasing/molecular control powers.
OH YEAH I SOMEHOW DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT LAST PART
Speedsters forgetting they can phase is a tried and true constant thing with them for sure. But yeah this is one of those times where it's perfectly reasonable from every angle.
Well actually it wasn’t until this storyline that inertia had to get his speed that way as Bart had somehow taken the speed force into himself (if I’m remembering this correctly).
I suppose I should've specified that it was at this time. The reveal happened at the end of Bart's sordid Flash run that he was juicing with Velocity 9. I believe Inertia was in the process of trying to get his natural speed back when Wally caught him. Bart's short term girlfriend was doing something with the machine which is why the power wasn't directly transferred to Inertia in the story itself. It's all a bit vague though.
Couldn't Wally just straight up steal speed in this era?
Yep. He did that to Inertia and eventually turned him into a living statue. Which is probably why he didn't phase.
Is that still a thing because that’s honestly the most messed up thing I’ve ever heard. Couldn’t he just make him normal and put him in prison?
He was freed and gained the same powers as Zoom and became Kid Zoom but got killed immediately by the Rogues and never appeared again in pre-flashpoint continuity... Yeah...
Wally wanted him dead this is mercy jail was never an option
Jail seems like an option when you can slow speedsters down.
Wally's phasing is better than Inertia's phasing.
Oml how did you get here. Also, true.
I've always been here lurking in the shadows.
Other Speedsters can counter-phase to stop it from happening. If a Speedster has you in their grasp, no real point in trying it unless they themselves don’t know how to phase.
Speedsters in DC phase by vibrating their molecules fast enough to match the vibrational frequency of the molecules in an object and pass between them. This only works if the thing they're trying to move through can't *also* change its vibrational frequency. If Inertia tried to phase through Wally's grasp, Wally could just vibrate at a different frequency and continue holding him.
Oh damn, good job.
Being a kid, he was probably scared shitless and the thought didn't occur to him.
Isn't he chronologically older than a teenager? Doesn't he have slowed aging?
That still makes him a kid, with a kids brain and all
Oh, I am stupid.
Because it is useless. Wally will just phase to match him.
Wally: I can't kill him Proceeds to give someone with his cousin's face a fate worse than death
He is a selfish killer just as Batman is a selfish lover 😔
Because an ability like phasing it's too convinient and you have to forget about It something otherwise your story didn't work
I honestly think speedsters need to be to nerfed slightly. It's the same reason why CW Flash can get ragged on so much by some people. (even though I personally like it)
Is he stu- 
because speedster can still think like human?
Speedsters can be stupid like humans? No..
they're not super smart, flash wasn't the sharpest guy in DCAU jutice league, he's sitll flawed.
That was a joke, sorry bout that.
Because phasing through solid objects is one of the more difficult speedster tricks. In the heat of the moment it's probably hard for them to turn on even if they're super fast. If I recall correctly, canonically, Wally couldn't do it for a while without blowing up the object he phased through.
Yeah, I don't even think we've seen Inirtia ever doing it. Can Bart phase? I only ever remember him phasing in the Young Justice show.
Bart can phase. Not sure about inertia though.
Because that literal wouldnt work against Wally. Wally and Barry as wel can touch, hit and manipulate untangible/phazing characters. So yeah vs most others that might work, not against Flash. 🤷 Also Inertia isnt connected to the Speedforce and has no phazing ability if I remember correctly.
I've figured that out now. I am stupid. 😔
Nah, I wouldnt claim you are stupid. There are many comics and characters and I don't believe anyone knows everything. ✌️
Is the comic name All Flash #1? Who were the artists and writers?
It was written by Mark Waid and drawn by multiple people that I don't feel like listing. It's basically the aftermath of the very smelly The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive series, where Bart becomes the Flash. And yes, it's called All Flash #1. I don't know why it's called that.
Doesn't Wally say something in this comic about countering Inertia's attempts to escape?
"He screams like a bag a of rats. He tries to run. But he's not going anywhere." "I'm maintaining the speed force in a way I never have before." "I can draw the speed right out of him." You can't post images here, so is that it?
Yeah. He says that he's drawing the speed right out of him, and I would assume that would disable his phasing ability given that he needs speed to vibrate.
Wally can match that frequency
Does Wally have to vibrate at the exact same frequency as Inertia for Inertia to not be able to phase through him?
In addition to what others are saying, isn't this also right when Wally came back from being lost in the Speed Force or something with a huge power up?
Yeah, I think so. I wasn't quite really thinking much when I posted this.
Phase + phase = no phase (?
Yes
Wally just learnt how to steal speed. The minute he put hands on inertia it was over.
Most other speedsters could vibrate at the same frequency to match whoever tries that
Can't they also vibrate even faster than the guy trying to phase through and it still wouldn't work? Or so they have have to vibrating at the exact same frequency?
It's not exactly a speed thing. It's just your molecules vibrating enough to go through most things so any speedster who knows how to do it or characters like Martian Manhunter who use shapeshifting for the same thing can still grab them
I thought you need to vibrate your molecules at a higher frequency than the frequency whatever you are trying to vibrate through? Is that not how it works?
It varies a LOT. Sometimes different materials need different frequencies and other times you just have to make yourself less dense than air
You try thinking of a technique you have to do at light speed.
What is this supposed to mean?
I’m saying that’s probably easier said than done, especially when another Speedster is attacking you at high speeds.
Okay, I get it now.
wally would have just matched whatever vibrational frequency inertia used so he could not phase
Wally is faster than him.