The laws were implemented in a time where (especially in west US) you could be living on a farm in middle of nowhere with no way of communicating and the nearest sherif/cop being 20 miles away
Shit even in a heavily populated city the cops are unlikely to show up in time to save you from a home invader unless you barricade yourself in a room or something
Not sure why you were downvoted, have an upvote. I grew up on a ranch house that was a 20 minute drive from the nearest town. Strangely I was closer to town than most of the people that were really considered out of town, as there are people that live 45 minutes from civilization. Mosty wild part? It's in northern California.
The SAW (so named for its ability to saw down trees unofficially, but as an acronym for Squad Automatic Weapon on paper) is the m249., which is 850 rounds a minute. This is the equivalent of 28 of those.
During World War II a lot of Naval anti-aircraft gunners added more Tracer rounds to their belts of ammunition. They had discovered that many Japanese Pilots would try to avoid the tracers and turn away to pick another Target or just jettison their bombs. By the middle of the war, most of the elite Japanese Pilots were dead and the replacements didn't have nearly the degree of training as the original aircrews
Those are the only rounds that are visible. If, for example, three out of five rounds are tracers but you have been told that only one in five are, it gives the impression that you are facing a weapon with a much greater rate of fire or with multiple barrels
Not all mini guns fire that fast and many have a selectable rate of fire.
The most common 7.62 minigun has a selectable rate of fire of between 2,000 and 6,000 rounds a minute.
My bet is the owner chooses a lower rate of fire for economic reasons.
brother if you are ever in a large mob of peasants armed with pitchforks and torches i heavily discourage you from charging into a minigun emplacement.
yes it will eventually run out of bullets but you will not be around to see it happen.
If any war goes hot with modern China/India and somehow doesn't go nuclear I feel like the human waves and aftermath images of what that looks like will make the fields of dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine look tame. Both countries could lose millions and hardly make a dent in total populations.
"Rich Elite"/Oligarchs dont use guns to control everyone else.
They just control the news, religion, governments, corporate entities, media, etc, to get us to just fight each other for them.
This right here is just an adult child's attempt to live out, what is basically, an extremely cool, yet expensive, fantasy.
Won't help as much as they think it will.
Single rpg shot from either flank and it's an expensive pile of trash
People make a homemade rocket launcher for a few grand
Edit* responding to "trebuchet" comment since the comments are locked
Fair, point is for every defense there's a counter and for every counter there's a defense
Brute force alone only goes so far
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It cost $400,000 to fire this gun... For twelve seconds
Edit: for all the people asking how I got this number, this is just a humorous quote from Team Fortress 2 and not an actual calculation lol
For anyone wondering. This minigun fires the 7.62x51 (308) bullet. This is a round that’s suitable for hunting large game like deer, elk, and such.. that current cost of “bulk” ammunition for arguments sake costs around .96¢ per round, and that’s for the cheap stuff. 24,000 rounds per minute equates to about 400 rounds per second or $384 per second ($23,040 per minute). $276,480 for twelve minutes. Using “tracer” rounds like you see in the video are substantially more expensive than your standard ammunition and could easily account for the difference between my calculation and $400,000.00.
$400k seems like a joke until you crunch the numbers.
Well I mean civilians being able to protect themselves from threats both foreign and domestic was literally what they intended. Hunting deer wasn’t even in the equation.
Edit. I didn’t realize farming wasn’t invented until after the revolution.
The Second Amendment *definitely* was supposed to apply to this weapon, yep!
Thanks *Caetano v. Mass.*, if it weren’t for you, big brother would be able to infringe upon my constitutionally-protected right to bear ~~arms~~ miniguns.
Be extremely wealthy and buy one of the few that are already out there. There's some legal nonsense that made it so a handful of specific miniguns are legal for civilians to have. They're all in the hands of wealthy collectors.
The miniguns you see in movies are usually one of those that they borrowed. I remember the collector who loaned them one for Terminator 2 was pissed af because Arnold just dropped it on the floor and he was worried it was damaged.
It is nonsense regardless what side of the debate you are on. Any fully automatic weapon that was already in civilian hands before May 19th, 1986 can be transferred to another civilian for the cost of a 200 dollar tax stamp. It doesn't matter if it is an Uzi, and M-16 or a Minigun. They are treated exactly the same under the law as long as they meet the criteria.
> Any fully automatic weapon that was already in civilian hands before May 19th, 1986 can be transferred to another civilian for the cost of a $200 tax stamp.
I would like to point out to anybody reading this far down that prior to the ‘86 GCA, you could buy automatics like you can suppressors today - buy it through a catalog (pre-internet), file for a tax stamp, and take possession of it when the stamp clears. Automatic weapons were barely more expensive than a regular-ass gun. After 1986, the price skyrocketed because of the necessary prior ownership (and registration) requirement limiting the total number of transferable (read: civilian-ownable) automatic weapons to something 900,000 in the US. Now you’re looking at $8k ***minimum*** to own one (legally).
Fun fact: You can also own destructive devices like a hand grenade or claymore with an NFA transfer(and proper explosive licensing/storage). The problem is that no one will sell you one because of liability. One of the guys from Ordinance Lab acquired one through his legit business that can own them and then Form 4'd it to himself as an individual just to make the point.
If you do ALL the required paperwork/training/tax to be able to manufacture explosive devices, you don't even need to notify the ATF when you make such a destructive device if you detonate on the same day. You just have to log that it existed in case they decide to audit your records. For storage, you can just keep them one step from becoming a DD so you never actually have to submit ATF paperwork.
Become an 07 FFL manufacturer. Pay the $500 SOT, get 4 GE mini gun parts kits and build the receivers. File the form 2. Then fabricate the housing for the quad gun.
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Imagine having something like this as defence for rich people in a bunker. My god haha. If the AI tracking is any good you never would needto shoot more then a few seconds. But it could annihilate anything coming close to it.
If the whole society collapses they wont be billionaires anymore. Theyd be killed by their former navy seal soldiers security teams and theyll basically recreate feudalism with the plumbers, electricians as the peasants lol
Jeesus youre taking this joke too seriously
But thats not strictly true either, there were a lot of enslaved skilled workers throughout history. Blacksmiths, coopers, etc
OP's caption is inaccurate, less than 5 seconds on a Google search will show you that this was built by a bored weapons manufacturer. It's not quite the same thing as the image op was trying to drum up.
'Bored weapons manufacturer' are 3 words that should never go together. Next they're going to modify an M32 to launch claymores packed full of meth'd up hornets.
It’s not. It’s not 100% impossible (if someone bought 4 of the 8 civilian transferable m134s on the whole country ti make this). It was made by Dillon precision for an event
1 transferable mini gun is $200,000+.
X4
I don’t think there’s even 4 transferable. I’d guess it’s corporation owned with some fancy paperwork to buy post 86 samples.
‘Civilian owned’ feels a bit reductionist in this case. It is owned and was built by George Dillon of Dillon Aero/Dillion Presicion. The company that manufactures mini guns for the US as well as other armed forces. This is absolutely not some redneck ina. Trailer park with too much ammo and Coors Light
If you've ever paid for ammo, this is shocking! At least to me it is.
Hahahaha the first thing I thought was, “good lord, I couldn’t afford that rate of fire!!” Lmao
Yeah, put one on the roof to defend your house, and then sell house to pay for ammo
If you've to defend your 'civilian' house with this, that's really some fuckin place you're living at!
Well, the three groups the second amendment was aimed at protecting people from: foreigners; the government; and criminals
Must be some fuckin crime rate round those parts
The laws were implemented in a time where (especially in west US) you could be living on a farm in middle of nowhere with no way of communicating and the nearest sherif/cop being 20 miles away
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Shit even in a heavily populated city the cops are unlikely to show up in time to save you from a home invader unless you barricade yourself in a room or something
There's a saying among pro gun and pro castle defense adherents: "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away"
Not sure why you were downvoted, have an upvote. I grew up on a ranch house that was a 20 minute drive from the nearest town. Strangely I was closer to town than most of the people that were really considered out of town, as there are people that live 45 minutes from civilization. Mosty wild part? It's in northern California.
I lived more than 20 minutes outside of town growing up. Florida has changed a lot in the last 40 years though. Used to be a lot more rural.
As a non-American I'm extremely jealous of the solitude available to you guys. It's difficult to find here.
That’s still a relatively huge portion of the country. Outside of the major cities the US is still pretty rural
Slave revolt?
If John Brown and the Hall Island Armory had a say.
Majority of people didnt own them.
0.0003 seconds. Aaaaaaand I’m broke.
My budget is brap..💨
In the actual time it takes to read "brap"
Somewhere, I read that only every 5th bullet is tracer.
You are correct. Which makes this even more terrifying for anyone on the other end of it.
I always think of these not so much as a gun as a long distance chainsaw
I mean... You are pretty much on the nose there
The SAW (so named for its ability to saw down trees unofficially, but as an acronym for Squad Automatic Weapon on paper) is the m249., which is 850 rounds a minute. This is the equivalent of 28 of those.
During World War II a lot of Naval anti-aircraft gunners added more Tracer rounds to their belts of ammunition. They had discovered that many Japanese Pilots would try to avoid the tracers and turn away to pick another Target or just jettison their bombs. By the middle of the war, most of the elite Japanese Pilots were dead and the replacements didn't have nearly the degree of training as the original aircrews
Can you help me understand why tracer bullets were a deterrent to Japanese pilots?
Those are the only rounds that are visible. If, for example, three out of five rounds are tracers but you have been told that only one in five are, it gives the impression that you are facing a weapon with a much greater rate of fire or with multiple barrels
You can't be deterred by what you don't see (non-tracer rounds) and don't know exists because you haven't been trained right.
That depends on how they loaded it, but yeah that's the norm
If you've got the money to build that thing. You have the money to shoot it.
It’s like saying you could never own a Lambo because premium unleaded is too pricey.
Not really. You'd have to drive a Lambo Gallardo 800,000 miles to match it's price. The cost of a gun can just be a case or two of ammo.
How much is a round for this weapon, approximately?
Likely 7.62, so roughly 50 cents a round.
So only 12k per minute fired, not bad!
Peace of mind that no alien horde or cartel can invade your compound : priceless
I just wanna keep my parents out of my room
It's these kind of comments that make me love Reddit.
bargain compared to the bombs and missiles we've been letting loose in the Middle East
that's like 24,000 a minute
Hell, with that rate of fire, chamber it in 22LR.
No shit, you could fuck some shit up with 22 hornets
Na, if you are already spending that much on ammunition either way, go big or go home.
Not all mini guns fire that fast and many have a selectable rate of fire. The most common 7.62 minigun has a selectable rate of fire of between 2,000 and 6,000 rounds a minute. My bet is the owner chooses a lower rate of fire for economic reasons.
If it’s 6k rounds and there are four of them, that’s 24k/m. A selectable rate of fire is a smart idea though, unless you like running out of ammo.
Yes, because someone doing this is worried about the economics of it.
Yes
Some people got a loooot of money
"I am heavy weapons guy"
And this, is my weapon
She weighs 150 kilograms and fires $200 custom tool cartridges at 10.000 rounds per minute.
It costs $400,000 to fire this weapon for *12 seconds*
Hoa ha ha ha
"ENEMY SPOTTED, 12'O CLOCK" "ROGER SIR, REMOVING 12'O CLOCK"
This is just the rich elite letting everybody know “come find out” when people are posting eat the rich memes 😅😅😅
There's a limit to the ammo & energy it uses, whereas guillotine needs no ammo 😏
Yup, gotta use the same strategy that Zap Brannigan used against the kill bots.
I don't remember how he did it. You know what this means? Time for a rewatch!
brother if you are ever in a large mob of peasants armed with pitchforks and torches i heavily discourage you from charging into a minigun emplacement. yes it will eventually run out of bullets but you will not be around to see it happen.
There will be a slight ringing in your ears. Fortunately, you’ll be nowhere near them.
The trick is to be at the back of the angry mob
The trick is to attack it from the back
Despots hate this one easy trick!
You do that. I'll get a cheap drone and a stick of dynamite, 'cause that guy's got no armor on.
Or above
Chinese troops during the Korean War enter the chat
If any war goes hot with modern China/India and somehow doesn't go nuclear I feel like the human waves and aftermath images of what that looks like will make the fields of dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine look tame. Both countries could lose millions and hardly make a dent in total populations.
Hell big stationary Target you can see if far away... 1 RPG that all it would need to be taken out.
Bruh, just use a drone.
Then the rich will discover what a cheap 3d printed drone and some explosives can do, lol.
Bout to say a 150 dolla drone and a 10 dolla pipe bomb make this useless real fast
"Rich Elite"/Oligarchs dont use guns to control everyone else. They just control the news, religion, governments, corporate entities, media, etc, to get us to just fight each other for them. This right here is just an adult child's attempt to live out, what is basically, an extremely cool, yet expensive, fantasy.
Won't help as much as they think it will. Single rpg shot from either flank and it's an expensive pile of trash People make a homemade rocket launcher for a few grand Edit* responding to "trebuchet" comment since the comments are locked Fair, point is for every defense there's a counter and for every counter there's a defense Brute force alone only goes so far
A trebuchet past it's line of sight is more accurate and 1000 times sexier than a homemade rocket launcher
Can't send diseased livestock with a rocket launcher either.
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Jesus Christ! *MMMOOOOOOOOOO!!!*
A few drones off Amazon and some explosives.
I’m tired of getting my Amazon packages stolen also but god damn!
If you make a good enough example out of the first one, the rest of the porch pitates will stay away
"I prefer the weapon you only have to fire *once*." -Tony Stark
You should see the poor deer…
Deer? I just see Bambi's smoking hooves. No deer attached to them.
In-between them is a smoldering pile of ashes
It cost $400,000 to fire this gun... For twelve seconds Edit: for all the people asking how I got this number, this is just a humorous quote from Team Fortress 2 and not an actual calculation lol
Oh my God, who touched Sasha?
WHO TOUCHED MY GUN!
Some people think they can outsmart me... maybe... *Snif*
Maybe…
I have yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet
*TF2 THEME STARTS*
Dum. dum. dum. tatadududum!!
Ragggghhhhfhhghf hahahahaaaaaaa!!!!
WAAAAAHHHH! WAAAAAAAHHHHH! AAAHAHAHAHAHA! Cry some more!
Cry some more
Maybe.
I have yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.
*But I have yet to meet someone who can outsmart... Bullet!*
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And it was worth every penny. Murica
For anyone wondering. This minigun fires the 7.62x51 (308) bullet. This is a round that’s suitable for hunting large game like deer, elk, and such.. that current cost of “bulk” ammunition for arguments sake costs around .96¢ per round, and that’s for the cheap stuff. 24,000 rounds per minute equates to about 400 rounds per second or $384 per second ($23,040 per minute). $276,480 for twelve minutes. Using “tracer” rounds like you see in the video are substantially more expensive than your standard ammunition and could easily account for the difference between my calculation and $400,000.00. $400k seems like a joke until you crunch the numbers.
>Suitable for hunting deer and such Isnt this Nato standard ammo for hunting Russians or sth?
Tracers would only be every 5th or 7th round. You’re not seeing a lot of the lead flying here.
I see a boot next to the gun, is that guy going deaf in 12 seconds?
What?
Earplugs+3M's "you're now legally deaf" headphones. Though he's probably gonna feel his skin and bones buzzing for the next week and a half.
I didn’t even notice the human operator until you said. I assumed it was remotely operated
The operator is in the middle of all that gunnery. that bar at the bottom is a foot rest.
[Meet the Heavy - TF2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHgZh4GV9G0) *15 years ago*
Glad I didn't need to scroll too far to see this.
Worth. Every. Cent.
Own a quad cannon for home defense….. Just as the Founding Fathers intended.
No, that one is for hunting. The Tesla coil is for home defense
Why have a Tesla Coil when you can have a Kirov airship?
TALLY HO LADS
Well I mean civilians being able to protect themselves from threats both foreign and domestic was literally what they intended. Hunting deer wasn’t even in the equation. Edit. I didn’t realize farming wasn’t invented until after the revolution.
Yeah, that was just grocery shopping for them.
Amen
This is for the civilian militia
The Second Amendment *definitely* was supposed to apply to this weapon, yep! Thanks *Caetano v. Mass.*, if it weren’t for you, big brother would be able to infringe upon my constitutionally-protected right to bear ~~arms~~ miniguns.
24,000 a minute? Damn! I complain about the price of a box of 9 mm.
So, how does one go about acquiring one of these for like... research purposes?
Be extremely wealthy and buy one of the few that are already out there. There's some legal nonsense that made it so a handful of specific miniguns are legal for civilians to have. They're all in the hands of wealthy collectors. The miniguns you see in movies are usually one of those that they borrowed. I remember the collector who loaned them one for Terminator 2 was pissed af because Arnold just dropped it on the floor and he was worried it was damaged.
"some legal nonsense" Say you're American without saying it. Lmao
It is nonsense regardless what side of the debate you are on. Any fully automatic weapon that was already in civilian hands before May 19th, 1986 can be transferred to another civilian for the cost of a 200 dollar tax stamp. It doesn't matter if it is an Uzi, and M-16 or a Minigun. They are treated exactly the same under the law as long as they meet the criteria.
> Any fully automatic weapon that was already in civilian hands before May 19th, 1986 can be transferred to another civilian for the cost of a $200 tax stamp. I would like to point out to anybody reading this far down that prior to the ‘86 GCA, you could buy automatics like you can suppressors today - buy it through a catalog (pre-internet), file for a tax stamp, and take possession of it when the stamp clears. Automatic weapons were barely more expensive than a regular-ass gun. After 1986, the price skyrocketed because of the necessary prior ownership (and registration) requirement limiting the total number of transferable (read: civilian-ownable) automatic weapons to something 900,000 in the US. Now you’re looking at $8k ***minimum*** to own one (legally).
Fun fact: You can also own destructive devices like a hand grenade or claymore with an NFA transfer(and proper explosive licensing/storage). The problem is that no one will sell you one because of liability. One of the guys from Ordinance Lab acquired one through his legit business that can own them and then Form 4'd it to himself as an individual just to make the point. If you do ALL the required paperwork/training/tax to be able to manufacture explosive devices, you don't even need to notify the ATF when you make such a destructive device if you detonate on the same day. You just have to log that it existed in case they decide to audit your records. For storage, you can just keep them one step from becoming a DD so you never actually have to submit ATF paperwork.
Become an 07 FFL manufacturer. Pay the $500 SOT, get 4 GE mini gun parts kits and build the receivers. File the form 2. Then fabricate the housing for the quad gun.
Step seven, somehow afford to fire it for more than three seconds
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No it implies that it is not owned by the government
You're right but government miltary contractors probably aren't exactly the first thing that comes to mind when most people hear the word "civilian."
Must really hate mosquitoes..
I want this for concealed carry
Imagine having something like this as defence for rich people in a bunker. My god haha. If the AI tracking is any good you never would needto shoot more then a few seconds. But it could annihilate anything coming close to it.
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If the whole society collapses they wont be billionaires anymore. Theyd be killed by their former navy seal soldiers security teams and theyll basically recreate feudalism with the plumbers, electricians as the peasants lol
Skilled laborers have always been third under priests and royalty why would they be peasants wtf
Jeesus youre taking this joke too seriously But thats not strictly true either, there were a lot of enslaved skilled workers throughout history. Blacksmiths, coopers, etc
Don't give them ideas
I’m American and I think this is fucking stupid and incredibly awesome at the same time.
You just described warhammer 40k in a single sentence
The emperor protects ✊
Where is his will needed?
My face is my shield!
My scars prove my worth!
>fucking stupid and incredibly awesome at the same time Aww, but ain't that America!
🎶 Cool guns to see 🎶
You just described USA
OP's caption is inaccurate, less than 5 seconds on a Google search will show you that this was built by a bored weapons manufacturer. It's not quite the same thing as the image op was trying to drum up.
'Bored weapons manufacturer' are 3 words that should never go together. Next they're going to modify an M32 to launch claymores packed full of meth'd up hornets.
I would almost pay to see that.
Armored Core in RL.
Freedom Boner: Engaged.
I don't think that's a civilians weapon.
It’s not. It’s not 100% impossible (if someone bought 4 of the 8 civilian transferable m134s on the whole country ti make this). It was made by Dillon precision for an event
i wonder what it would sound like on the receiving end
Wouldn’t matter. It’d be the last thing you heard.
Unending silence
This fuckin thing would make James Madison's dick hard. It's exactly what he envisioned when he proposed the 2nd Amendment.
The 1718 Puckle Machine Gun, created 73 years before the 2nd Amendment, had a much lower rate of fire.
That much firepower and still couldn't hit the target haha
Aim it like a fire hose; move the "stream" to the target.
Don't cross the streams.
That's less of a "fuck that guy in particular" and more of a "fuck everything around that guy in particular" kind of weapon.
The "Stormtrooper"
Good enough to scare 98% of targets tho 🤣
Ladies and Gentlemen I introduce to you the Spray and Pray 4000 for all your home security needs
Don’t think you gotta worry about the pray part with that one
The pray part is describing the only thing someone on the other end could do
Just as the founding fathers intended.
America is awesome 🇺🇸
1 transferable mini gun is $200,000+. X4 I don’t think there’s even 4 transferable. I’d guess it’s corporation owned with some fancy paperwork to buy post 86 samples.
Civilian owned? For what, keeping the king of England out of your face?
Some people travel the world, some gamble at casinos, some buy fast cars. This guy plays with guns.
Civilians should be able to own any weapon the government can own
Just like the Founding Fathers intended.
That's 400 freedoms a second
The amount of money this guy spends on ammo…
This is why the us will never be invaded
Ready for zombie apocalypse
Good lord that must be expensive to fire.
He missed.
Hell yeah!
People will believe anything on the internet
Yeah. Sure buddy "civilian owned"
I assume this type of gun is used in the US for hunting
Shall not be infringed. Amen
Guys will see this and be like “Hell Yeah”
"Dammit Martha, those damn Xenomorphs are in corn bins again! I'll fire up 'ole Bertha'"
Imagine the USA being invaded by a foreign country and losing to its’ civilians lol
‘Civilian owned’ feels a bit reductionist in this case. It is owned and was built by George Dillon of Dillon Aero/Dillion Presicion. The company that manufactures mini guns for the US as well as other armed forces. This is absolutely not some redneck ina. Trailer park with too much ammo and Coors Light
That’s a lot of freedom
Legend says the price of this video is visible on the American debt clock 🤣
In Texas, we can pick one up at the local Wal-Mart
I want to be friends with this dude.