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Bx1965

I once saw a Concorde on approach and then land at Kennedy Airport in NYC. Once you’ve seen a Concorde in flight, every other plane looks hopelessly obsolete.


-Roger-The-Shrubber-

It used to fly over our house near London regularly. It was as unmistakable as the Avro Vulcan!


Alypius

I don't really know the whole story, just that some bad things happened and they no longer are used. Is there any potential for such a plane to exist again in the future?


Tall-Poem-6808

I don't think it was ever profitable, more of a status symbol for Air France and British Airways (IIRC). So when 1 Concorde crashed, they decided to retire them all. At least 1 company is working on a new supersonic passenger plane again.


aguaman_

Yes! Boom Supersonic is trying to bring back supersonic travel to the commercial market. NASA is also researching a way to reduce the sonic boom made when crossing the sound barrier. Lookup "X59 Quesst" for the test jet.


GuestAdventurous7586

Thing is, as cool as it is, I don’t think the proposed supersonic jets will carry as much passengers as Concorde nor even be as fast. At least not yet. Also, Concorde was a symbol of its time. That thing (having seen it take off and land many times) was loud as a motherfucker. It used to shake everything and set off all the car alarms 😂. If they make a new supersonic jet it will be all nicey nicey and “green”. Fuck that, I want a long white arrow, glinting off the sun, billowing black smoke behind it, throttling through the air and making everybody in the streets stop in their tracks and look up and marvel at such overwhelming power and beauty. That was Concorde!


FaustinoAugusto234

Expensive, noisy, cramped. One blew up due to runway FOD, but it was essentially just a bad business model. It’s like the 747, today other planes just do what it does better. And the Concorde’s time savings didn’t make up for the other stuff.


Bx1965

True but the Concorde was a better looking plane.


FaustinoAugusto234

Cool as shit on every count, but it didn’t make money.


Bx1965

Truth. But the question remains. Why do airplanes flying today look pretty much the same as they did 50 years ago? Can’t the design be modernized a little? Cars change styles all the time, why can’t planes?


FaustinoAugusto234

Cars change as a result of style. The tail fins never had a function. Aircraft are relentlessly optimized to perform and the shape reflects this. The closer your design can look like a Peregrine, the better you can fly. There is no room for extravagance or embellishment.


sweet-pecan

Cars have changed because of regulations and technological advances…I would say it has very little to do with style, most new sedans look like every other sedan, same with trucks.


anonymooos1

Airliners are designed to be as efficient as possible at cruise altitude where aerodynamics are the main driver for design. You can’t change aerodynamics. Cars have similar design considerations, but those are weighed differently than how you’d weigh an airplane. Cars are expected to crash, be comfy and spacious for fat people, look cool, etc. You have more trade space when designing a car, and designing a car is cheaper. Airplane development is insanely expensive. And there has been significant innovation in commercial aviation, you just haven’t noticed


UnLuckyKenTucky

It's pretty expensive to retool a simple vehicle manufacturing press to make different panels, I can't imagine how much more it would cost for an airframe.


Jassida

Compare a 787 to a 707.


Agreeable_Ad3800

Not strictly true. Air France’s didn’t but BA’s we’re making good money up to the crash in Paris and decent money after it - the issue was both political and financial as when Air France pulled out, then it did become unprofitable since the fixed maintenance costs were spread less thin


SommWineGuy

Today you could make the entire thing first class and charge a huge premium and you'd book every flight.


uberweb

Wasn’t it already that way?


Agreeable_Ad3800

Minor point of correction - It didn’t blow up, and though the first domino was indeed FOD as you describe, the plane crashed short of its planned landing spot after a series of poor choices. It may have been survivable but for those and one of them included possibly having overfilled a fuel tank above the hard limit allowed


FaustinoAugusto234

Air France Flight 4590 was pretty explodey. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_4590#/media/File%3AConcorde_Air_France_Flight_4590_fire_on_runway.jpg


Agreeable_Ad3800

No, not until it impacted the ground it wasn’t.


Jetboater111

One had a piece of metal puncture the wing fuel tank on takeoff from Paris. It crashed into a hotel, which was almost empty. [This Freak Aviation Disaster Brought Supersonic Idealism Down in Flames](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/freak-aviation-disaster-brought-supersonic-idealism-down-flames-180970459/)


BeefyIrishman

Here is a Vox video on why it failed. Skip to ~5:15 if you want to get right to the reasons and skip out on 5 minutes of people talking about the Concorde in general. Short answer is the cost for the airlines running the Concorde was too high (which made it costly for passengers) due to many factors like: limited customer base, limited seats on plane, limited routes available, high fuel consumption, high maintenance costs, etc. [This plane could cross the Atlantic in 3.5 hours. Why did it fail?](https://youtu.be/a_wuykzfFzE) For anyone interested, Real Engineering did a cool video on the technology/ engineering on the Concorde. [The Insane Engineering of the Concorde](https://youtu.be/hnrpXxbVhME)


ramriot

I was in our London office when the last Concorde flights arrived to Heathrow. All the remaining aircraft lined up to fly in line astern formation following the last commercial flight. As I watched from our conference room window they flew past & I shed a tear for the loss of a great aircraft & a larger world from now on.


CardinalFartz

Just yesterday I was inside a Concorde. In a museum in Sinsheim, Germany.


LinguoBuxo

but that was flying at Mach 0.... right?


MrJoePike

I’m sure it looked just as fast as this still photo


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some german humor right there lmao


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

A very efficient joke


CardinalFartz

True. But it was *in the air* though (suspended by some 30 ft. posts or so).


davtheguidedcreator

🤓🤓🤓well akshually we a re travelling across the universe at ,,30kms therefore nothing on earth is ever mach0


_DapperDanMan-

Relative to what though?


LocalRepSucks

Gravitational pull of your mom!


davtheguidedcreator

relative to a point such that relative to it, Earth is moving at 30km/s


_DapperDanMan-

What's the point fixed to?


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_DapperDanMan-

Yup. That's the point. Earth is moving relative to the the Solar system is moving relative to the galaxy. Galaxy is moving relative to other galaxies. There are no fixed points of reference in the universe.


uberweb

Because of decimals and rounding float vs int errors. Mach 0 is actually 6.34 miles per hr. Also, look at the month.


_ArrozConPollo_

I drove past that on the way to Turkey. The Concordes look amazing from the Autobahn


CardinalFartz

Fyi: One is a [Concorde](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde), the other is a [Tu-144](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144).


submoa64

What was it like? What were your thoughts on it?


Laymanao

In my book, not only a peerless, supreme technical achievement, also a sublime artistic and aesthetic artefact.


Prior_Worldliness287

What's nice about things that try to go fast in general they end up artistic. Even in nature. You think the cheater at full sprint, a humming bird at a hover or Falcon in a dive. Then fast cars have the smooth lines, the faster aircraft all the same.


RedditGotSoulDoubt

How does cheating make a sprinter more aesthetic?


JuanSolo9669

A spouse with a good arm.


Subbeh

I'm also confused what Ben Johnson has to do with this?


Was_It_The_Dave

The dominican-canadian Ben Johnson who raced a jet and a car? He's fine.


Prior_Worldliness287

Very good


ray-the-they

Except for those wheels


CaptainAxiomatic

Wheels?


ray-the-they

[A ruptured tire on a Concorde caused Air France Flight 4590 to catch fire during takeoff and crash two minutes later.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_4590) The tires on Concorde were thickened because of the particularly intense takeoff forces, leading to a lot of blowouts. But those re-engineered tires played a role in the crash.


CaptainAxiomatic

> Whilst taking off from Charles de Gaulle Airport, the aircraft ran over debris on the runway, causing a tyre to explode and disintegrate. The crash was not caused by the Concorde itself.


ray-the-they

The thickening of the tires did play a role in the rubber having enough mass to rupture the tank. Yes the debris ruptured the tire, but thinner tires wouldn’t have had the force to rupture the fuel tank. Source: just watched a Nat geo show about this like two weeks ago. Edit: > During its 27 years in service, Concorde had about 70 tyre- or wheel-related incidents, seven of which caused serious damage to the aircraft or were potentially catastrophic


TripleJeopardy3

You wrote a book?


Laymanao

Only a paper.


Bromanzier_03

And yet like two crashes took this plane out of commission. Meanwhile Boeing is fucking up and nothing.


cheshire-cats-grin

The crash in Paris was caused by debris that fell off a DC-10 - which is from McDonnell Douglas who are part of Boeing (via a merger) So they managed to fuck up Concorde as well


phatelectribe

While this is true, the airport was also at fault because they were super lax about debris spotting on the runways, which was something that should have been done far more often than they were. Once the cause was identified they stepped up their checks on runway debris.


cheshire-cats-grin

Oh yes - absolutely Even with the fire - it should have been survivable but other things also went wrong Plane crashes often have multiple contributing factors given that there are supposed to be overlapping controls


ray-the-they

I feel like a bunch of episodes of Seconds from Disaster featured DC-10s.


Laymanao

Boeing, via McDonald Douglas was the root cause of the one Concorde crash by shedding debris on the runway.


cosmo7

There was only one Concorde crash.


good1j

taken from a RAF fighter jet that could only keep up for 5 minutes? before it drained it fuel tanks.


badgersruse

There are some that would say 'taken from a Canberra'


HomieDaClown9

Doubtful given that the Canberra can’t even break Mach 1


MidnightFisting

It was a tornado and this photo was taken at Mach 1.5


Apart_Ad_5993

I was thinking a selfie stick


Flux_resistor

r/PraiseTheCameraMan


Teton_Titty

I dunno, doesn’t seem like this “fact” would be reasonably true. I would imagine the company who made &/or owns the jet would have more than a single picture of this thing at cruising speed. Edit: I am in fact very wrong here. No known photos were ever taken of the Concorde at Mach 2. OP’s is not one. I do find that pretty interesting.


Flux_resistor

i guess a jet fighter could take the pic but why would they bother? you're probably right just subsonic approach or whatever.


Teton_Titty

[Well, we’re all wrong, certainly my take was wrong as well. Interestingly enough, this post is a lie, as this photo was **not** taken at Mach 2, and no known photos were ever taken of the plane at Mach 2.](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/not-a-single-photo-of-concorde-flying-at-mach-2-exists-heres-why/amp/)


Flux_resistor

ah duh. i don't think concorde can do mach 2 to begin with. anyway, cool photo but no way of knowing anything else about it.


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Mach 2.04, in super cruise at 60,000ft


Zarniwoooop

Why is the horizon curved? The interwebs lied to me again.


Rattus_Noir

Shhh. It's our secret. Don't tell the flerfs.


im_warden

To be fair, the Concord in this photo is curved too.


SonicDoon

Fisheye lens. The horizon appears completely flat at the altitude planes fly.


Awesome_Romanian

The Concorde flew at 18km. It was visible at that altitude.


SonicDoon

Interesting. I wonder why videos from [amateur balloon footage at 37km](https://youtu.be/7pSynBkmls4?si=iOGOIVPZS1ip8Dhk) don’t show a curve.


ShtGoliath

An actual flat earther lol


SonicDoon

Can you tell me specifically what I have wrong?


ShtGoliath

I could but you wouldn’t listen anyways. But really, the world is a big ass sphere.


SonicDoon

So you don’t actually have any data to back up your claims. Gotcha.


ShtGoliath

Neither do you lol People have proven this shit time and time again for literally thousands of years. Why should I waste effort trying to prove something that you will just flat out refuse any and all evidence, no matter how convincing it is.


SonicDoon

That was refreshing to read that you don’t have any data to back up your beliefs. Thanks for that.


Alternative_Rent9307

Holy shit I’ve encountered one in the wild. I’ve always thought your kind was a myth Occam’s Razor is far too sharp for you


SonicDoon

Hi. Welcome to the discussion. Do you have any of value to add or just dropping by to say how wild it is to encounter a person without their head up NASA’s asshole?


AdvisorExtra46

Anytime a flerf has tried to use science to prove it’s flat they prove the opposite.


SonicDoon

Can you provide examples of this happening? I’m curious. Thanks!


KutteKrabber

Due to the narrow field of view of the lens. Probably 70mm>


SonicDoon

Oh ok. So definitely not because a fisheye lens is being used? Gotcha.


OneOfTheOnly

let me put this simply the foreground isn’t curved the background is that isn’t how fisheye lenses work !


Mishtle

Because that is a lens with barrel distortion and the horizon appears below the focal point.


SonicDoon

And the Concorde at 18km is using a wide angle/fisheye lens to produce the exaggerated curve.


Mishtle

Why isn't the plane curved?


SonicDoon

Because that is a lens with barrel distortion and the plane appears below the focal point.


Mishtle

Great job literally parroting things you don't understand. [This](http://www.btobey.com/learn/images/barrel-distortion.jpg) is a square grid with barrel distortion applied. What happens to the horizontal grid lines in the bottom half or the image?


SonicDoon

I was mocking you from your response above 🧠


ThaGooch84

Got to see one up close in a museum. When flying at mach 2 the whole plane would stretch. One of the pilots during mach 2 placed his hat between two cabinets. Plane landed and compressed and that hat is now stuck there. We were hanging off of it with our whole body weight it won't budge.. stuck for life the guy said .. must of been a crazy ride going mach 2


santathe1

Idk looks stationary to me.


gosluggogo

My brother-in-law had to make a sudden trip for a partner at his firm and she sent him on the Concorde. He said it was awesome! What an experience!


SulphaTerra

Wonder what the shutter speed was in this photo. The plane is freezed but so are (mostly) the cloud, so I guess it's not a panning style shot.


Familiar_Dust8028

Given the curvature, I'd say the clouds are quite far away...


hello_davidmitchel

Nice shot.


the_seed

Hey man


badgerj

Filter?


dogpetsaregood

Camera man got skills


Ok-Review8720

Amazing. By looking at the picture, I would've guessed it was only flying at Mach 1.


VapeRizzler

You can really see how fast it’s going in the picture


[deleted]

I was lucky enough to get a number of Concorde flights, including a few of the more unusual routes. Concorde was an experience I shall never forget.


krayhayft

Funny. We got to where we had commercial flights flying faster than the speed of sound, but now where taking steps backwards where planes are falling apart in flight.


TheBestAtWriting

damn, that doesn't really seem any more interesting than a picture of the concord flying at any other speed


chupamishuebows

Thank you for your comment


No_Scratch_7612

Gorgeous aircraft


nick837464

Brought to you by Gillette


Beneficial-Potato-82

Spoiler alert!


SpecialMarsupial1850

Who took the pic, another Concord at Mach 2?


Regretzels

Probably a black Dodge Ram that has been tailing it for 27 minutes but won't go around.


HellbellyUK

White Vauxhall van driven by a 19 year old plumber.


notmanipulated

It was a lightened Tornado, picture taken after Concorde had to slow down to M1.5


Archi42

An english Electric Lighting jet aircraft capable of flying at Mach 2 for a couple minutes at most.


Macasumba

Looks slightly more than M2


FeelingVanilla2594

Is the camera man superman?


MrJoePike

Nothing captures speed like a still photo


shahafnup

thats fast indeed


Beepboopbop69420360

These cameramen got balls


Iancreed2024HD

Sleek!


robertbreadford

I once had an argument with someone who didn’t understand how this photo was taken, because camera phones weren’t invented back then…


SimonArgent

Who took the photo?


Antimus

Was it taken by a Canberra? If you know, you know.


noldshit

Such a beautiful plane


malt_invader

You can't fool me, I can tell it's in park.


OutrageousSir4411

How can I get this as a print? Truly stunning


N0rmNormis0n

The folks in that hot air balloon got super lucky with the timing of this pic


4me2knowit

I’m struggling to believe that’s the only photo of one at Mach two considering how long they flew for.


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chupamishuebows

Adorable comment


cantcer_patient

But does it's snoot droop though?


Drago1214

Some say it was the droopiest


Weird_Assignment_550

How do you know this concord is flying at mach 2, and how do you know this is the only photo in existence?


penguins_are_mean

[According to this, it wasn’t at Mach 2.](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-the-only-picture-of-concorde-flying-at-supersonic-speed/amp/)


Weird_Assignment_550

So this is clickbait rubbish. As I suspected.


an_otter_guy

Sure, might only be 1,9


Big-Independence8978

Look again. Totally doing 2.


DCS_Sport

Love to see the repost with the same misspelling of “Concorde” as all the others. Great photo, but it’s just “Concorde” not *the* Concorde or Concord


chupamishuebows

Mmmk


Prior_Worldliness287

I do wonder if fuel was cheap and it still economical if it would have failed because of environmentalist loons.


Troll_Enthusiast

It was basically only for flying from New York to Paris/London and the people living near the airports didn't like the sonic booms. Also the crashes of the plane ended things quickly.


phatelectribe

They only ever had one fatal crash in the entire history of Concorde, and that was because debris fell from a DC10 and the airport failed to properly check run ways for debris as normally required. The real reason they shelved it was because the planes were 30 years old, expensive to maintain and had to be regularly x rayed to check for cracks or failure points. Furthermore fuel became expensive an the time when video conferencing meant that wasn’t a crucial need for in person meetings so paying for very expansive seats to cut down on about 4 hours of travel time became less of a thing.


penguins_are_mean

I thought they weren’t allowed to break the sound barrier until over the ocean?


HuckleberryOther4760

Why did only travel there? Did it not have enough fuel for other places?


Apart_Ad_5993

Not everything is a conspiracy. These planes were insanely expensive to operate and maintain, and were never profitable. It was a money-loser on every flight.


Prior_Worldliness287

The brand recognition they brought. The passengers they convinced to join their airline miles clubs in the hope of one day having enough to fly concord the free advertising and brand recognition. It's not as simple as they were money losers. Fuel price was their undoing. It shot up and they guzzled the stuff per pax mile. Sure maintenance was expensive on an aging airframe that wasn't being produced/renewed. But it was fuel. My musing was in today's day and age I'd imagine they'd have had orange paint thrown at them and a load of vicars and retirees glueing themselves to parts and that would have been their undoing. Imagine the guardian headlines about the ultra wealthy flying on these fuel guzzlers.


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PirateEyez

So it's pretty clear we don't give a shit about the environment, so can we bring back the concord already?? You never know, maybe the sonic boom will disrupt the pollution or something, who knows?