American inventor Hiram Maxim was credited as first commercially successful silencer- called it “Maxim Silencer.” Theodore Roosevelt was known to used those silencers…
It's also missing 2 key elements related to that.
Guns that fire more powerful rounds like the 1911 pictured use some kind of system to delay the opening of the breach, the chamber where the pressure of the round is contained. In this case a short recoil system where the barrel recoils backwards with the slide a short ways before stopping, allowing the pressure to drop and the slide to keep going backwards to extract the round.
The suppressor is attached to the barrel, adding extra weight to a tuned system with limited tolerances. If you just screw a suppressor to the barrel on a recoil operated gun it's probably gonna misfeed. So a small spring and piston joins the barrel to the suppressor. The inertia of the suppressor keeps it in place while the spring stretches allowing the barrel and slide to recoil backwards. This is called a booster or Nielsen device. The other issue is that by slowing the gas from leaving the barrel and letting it build up in the suppressor it increases back pressure. This pressure makes the gun recoil faster, harder and tend to vent more gases out the action during extraction. The booster helps to address this with the added resistance of the spring but suppressed pistols often need stiffer recoil springs. Suppressed firearms in general tend to wear themselves out faster.
This is changing with modern 3d printed flow through suppressor designs that direct the gas forwards.
Even with all this, it's still hard for a suppressor to make a firearm even hearing safe for the shooter, let alone movie quiet.
A very strange looking [suppressed pistol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welrod) from WW2.
edit- you can fire it like a normal weapon, but apparently this one *is most effective when fired in contact with the target.*
Ice cold assassin pistol right there.
The Welrod is a WWII era British bolt action integrally suppressed handgun intended for irregular and resistance forces.
The magazine forms part of the grip to make it smaller, the suppressor is part of the barrel which has holes drilled into it to vent gas earlier into the suppressor. It uses a system of metal baffles and rubber wipes. The wipes are solid round plugs of thin rubber. The bullet has to punch a hole through the rubber which for the first few shots will seal behind the bullet, drastically slowing the gas. It's bolt action so there's no noise of the action cycling. It's apparently been used up to the Gulf War.
Reportedly the noise is imperceptible past 15 feet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welrod
Yeah, I have. 8.6 Blackout is an interesting concept. Not so much as the whole subsonic-supersonic idea since it's really just scaling 300 Blackout to .338. Or even the idea of scaling a rifle round up to allow a subsonic 9ish mm bullet, the 9x39 does that.
It won't even be quieter than 300 Blackout since it's burning more powder and has a larger muzzle diameter.
No, the new thing is that it rotates like a motherfucker. The barrels used have a 1 in 3 twist. Meaning the rifling does one whole revolution every 3 inches. Most rounds that diameter use a 1 in 10. So even if the bullet is going subsonic, it's rotating way faster than normal. The idea is that this rotational energy allows for much deeper penetration. This seems to be borne out by gel testing I've seen? But the ballistics at that level are way out of my league.
You also need to have a closed action as in a bolt or lever action. Semi auto or revolver will not be as effective. It also works with any subsonic rounds I’ve seen a video with a Henry Lever action in other calibers with just the ping of the firing pin.
The movies could just say they were using subsonic rounds in which case they're not always that far off.
A silencer can't quiet a round that is "cracking" at the speed of sound after it's left the barrel and it can't quiet the noise from the giant open ejection port, but it sure can dissipate the sound at the muzzle, which is enough to make people ask "did you hear something? Must have been the wind." Because it sounds more like a wizzzz than anything.
Not every gun is chambered to fire rounds that use enough powder to push heavy bullets but still keep below the speed of sound. That's where silencers really come in to play.
The only reality where movies are “not far off” even using subsonic is on a bolt gun. Cycling actions of every single gun I’ve shot is loud as hell. Even with subsonic most guns are barely hearing safe.
True, but they also used to call ballistic armor "bulletproof armor"
They change terms and labels to more accurately fit the realities surrounding them.
The inventor called them silencers. I guess he could have been wrong.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer\_(firearms)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms))
The inventor of the Gatling gun assured his weapon would end all wars and bring about world peace. Obviously since he invented it he was correct and knew everything about his invention and couldn't possibly be incorrect about the future
inb4 they're also never actually silent unless using an incredibly high quality, also usually wet condition, suppressor with subsonic ammunition and even then somebody 15 feet away will still hear it.
🤫
Sub rounds through a suppressor that uses a replaceable wipe on a bolt action rifle are quieter than the sound of the trigger hammer dropping and striking the firing pin. Pretty eerie. In a noisy environment you’d be hard pressed to distinguish it from the ambient noise.
I have a .22lr that is like this, they're already quiet but suppressed with sub rounds the only noises it makes are the rattling from reloading the next round and the firing pin "clink", a soft "pfft" like an air rifle, and then the sound of the impact.
and yeah
>In a noisy environment you’d be hard pressed to distinguish it from the ambient noise.
i could probably magdump in my backyard at midday and no one would notice over the sounds of birds, cicadas, and road traffic.
Dumb?? All I saw was a bunch of people minding their business while 2 professionals handled theirs without involving civilians. That is the utopia I dream of.
Dude, that happens *all the time*. You just never notice it. "Oh, I guess that tile fell at random. Good thing it didn't hit anyone." No. It was shot off and you just didn't see the people working.
Agreed. I'm not surprised at all some people from Reddit watch these movies and get all hot and bothered. I can watch all the wick movies back to back all day and only be upset when the pizza runs out.
I dont think being bothered about the change in tone of a saga is as bad as you put it. They are cool films to watch, but I dont see OP being "Hot and bothered", just explaining how the series has gone from a mild suspensión of disbelief to a blind Guy shooting people with great accuracy.
Which is cool if you dont mind It, but there are people Who liked the more grounded setting of the first film, even if they enjoyed the rest.
I’m in the group that thinks that series is getting better and better with each entry, but I know many people who prefer the first one.
Give me the complete insanity of part 4 with the rave shootouts, the Hotline Miami overhead oner, the Paris circle car chase and that ridiculous stair falling gag any day.
This is basically what happens to the majoirty of sequels, especially action.
It's because the studio/writers/production team all think they have to "top" the last movie, and give "more" than the previous. "More explosions!", "More guns!", "More car chases!","MORE!". Which is why they start getting ridiculous.
The Fast and the Furious franchise and John Wick movies are really some of the very few that were at least self aware of it enough and just kind of ran with it.
Which is how you go from this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L\_Cb1OepkY8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Cb1OepkY8)
To this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qomc0YuGlAI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qomc0YuGlAI)
The 300blk are really quiet and the .22 are pretty much movie level noise with sub sonic rounds.
https://youtube.com/shorts/xh09rh9_svs?si=ThfKQH7uMu_Zu0Pf
https://youtu.be/jiq5T_EtGJw?si=zF3xr26Z7mKorolo
The Welrod from ww2 is basically a bolt action pistol which was made to combat exactly that. It was internally silenced and the user would have to cycle the gun every time it was fired, so the slide wouldn't make that sound. One if the quietest guns ever
BT basically makes these now, primarily for veterinarians who have to put down animals , or at least that's the marketing. [BT station 6](https://youtu.be/JKei5sySmB0?si=_6RIbiXhHVRsB5Tc)
Bruger and Thommet makes a modern type of this weapon that they will only sell to the CIA and other western.. intelligence agencies.
those suppressors have rubber disks that the bullet passes through that blocks more gas between each baffle to make them quieter which normal suppressors do not have
And the crazy part is they’re really deadly in CQC since the 300 still have a lot of mass- going through different type of walls. Punching through the cover with deadly force
The slide/action is honestly a significant part of the sound. I have a bolt action 300 blackout (i.e., no noise from cycling during the shot) and with a suppressor it's literally quieter than me snapping my fingers
To be fair they can be. It’s just bullets are usually supersonic so they’re loud anyway. If you have a subsonic bullet and a good silencer it is like the films. Like the Welrod from the Second World War. It was a pistol that was so quiet they made it bolt action so there wasn’t a sound of the case ejecting and hitting the floor.
They can be, as others have said subsonic rounds work well when paired with a suppressor.
The sonic boom is really loud if your round isn't subsonic though and most aren't (because subsonic is lower speed, lower range, and lower power)
Yup. Here's a good [video](https://youtu.be/PEoh-MmpJNM?si=7RoBuufWU5eG2Q0q) of an M14 with a suppressor firing normal rounds and then subsonic rounds.
The normal rounds sound about as loud as typical gunfire. The subsonic rounds, on the other hand, are barely making a noise.
The sound from the gun's mechanism when he's manually pulling the bolt is seemingly louder.
I mean, they basically are, the problem is there's 3 different things that make noise with a gun:
1. The loudest and most obvious part, the blast of the powder going off. This is the part a suppressor makes quieter, and in a lot of cases pretty much silent.
2. The bullet, most bullets are supersonic, meaning they move faster than the speed of sound. Much like a supersonic plane, or a whip, simply moving faster than the speed of sound makes a loud sonic boom. This can be mitigated by using subsonic ammunition.
3. The gun, anything fully or semi-automatic is going to make quite a lot of mechanical noise just from the action cycling, using something that's manually cycled like a bolt action rifle would mitigate this.
If you just slap a suppressor on something like an AR-15 with regular ammo, it will still be pretty loud, just the sonic boom is enough to cause hearing damage. Using subsonic ammo the loudest parts will be the action cycling and bullets hitting your targets/the ground.
Fun fact, they actually can be. There have been several firearms throughout history that are, literally, dead quiet.
The mp5SD is one, when used with subsonic ammunition, operators report that often the only audible aspect is the bolt slamming in the receiver of the weapon.
Another is the welrod from WW2, instead of using just baffles to bleed gas off, it also uses what are called wipes, rubber discs placed in between the baffles that the bullet actually punches through on it's way out, the wipes will actually reseal behind the bullet, again reported as being so quiet, within 5 or 10 feet (or some ridiculously small distance) you cannot tell that a gun has just been fired.
If you're actually interested, Ian from Forgotten Weapons on YouTube has videos on both
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Not only has the projectile not left the barrel, the case is ejected before it even leaves the chamber. That would both be the slide breaking the speed of sound by a multitude, and result in an explosion happening right in front of you.
Sorry, scratch that. The bullet somehow spawns at the rear of the slide where the firing pin would be. The case is ejected somehow before anything ever touches the chamber (it gets there around 5 seconds in).
Well it’s not the focus of the animatic and probably saved on production cost just to reuse an already existing asset. It’s really not that big of a flub, and the everything relating to the silencer as well as how it slows down the release of gas, reducing the temperature between them and the surrounding air to make the shot less deafening is correct.
It's a comically bad animation.
I'll add to the list of things that are wrong by mentioning that a locked breech pistol requires the use of a piston when using a suppressor to compensate for the extra weight that's now hanging off the barrel. Otherwise the pistol won't work correctly as the barrel won't move backwards with enough energy to unlock the action and cycle the slide.
When gasses expand they do cool though? When gasses expand without additional heat added, the decrease in pressure slows the gas molecule down. Which in turn, lowers the temperature of the gas. Not exactly the gotcha ya thought you had lol.
Also known as the Joule-Thomson effect.
Really? Whoever made this has no idea.
There is no free air turbulence inside the barrel. When the slug exits the barrel the gas behind it is expanding so fast that, along with a shockwave, it makes a huge, football-shaped ball of fire in front of the muzzle, which is one of the things the suppressor breaks up.
It's good animation, just not real accurate.
Yeah you're right I forgot about non-jacketed projectiles in revolvers and other obscure examples where people like to call them slugs. But it's not very common unless you use terms like 'wheelgun' and 'dagnabit'.
Bullet, powder, barrel length, pressure. So many contributing factors that to say matter of factly there will be a football shaped fireball is ridiculous.
Silencers/suppressors should be much easier to purchase. It would be great to reduce the noise at a range and while hunting. They are legal in most European countries, especially for hunting to reduce noise pollution.
The wait time on NFA stamp for silencers has been greatly reduced, at the moment at least you usually get approved within 3-4 days using the eForm.
https://i.imgur.com/J5As8qe.png
Still a bit annoying you need to pay for a tax stamp, but at least you're not waiting 6+ months.
True but we shouldn't need the tax stamp at all. Should be no harder than it is to buy a firearm. If anything, it should be reversed: you need a special tax stamp to get approved to buy a handgun.
Oddly, the suppressor wouldn't matter in the graphic because the firearm depicted isn't functioning properly. The case was ejected almost immediately thus expelling all of the gas pressure from the breach rather than propelling the bullet through the barrel.
Don't worry about it, according to the animation the gas is being continuously expelled from the bullet itself, so it keeps building the pressure back up!
There’s a video on YouTube by GarandThumb where they kept adding segments until the bullet didn’t make it out. That video would give a lot of related info to your question.
More length (i.e. more baffles and internal volume) reduces sound signature up to a point. Eventually you're gonna basically eliminate any sound from escaping propellant, and what's gonna be left is the sound of the action of the gun and the supersonic crack of the bullet (unless you're using subsonics). The suppressor won't reduce either of those sounds.
Also people forget about supersonic vs subsonic ammunition. Can't really suppress a bullet all that much that's travelling at 3500FPS, and breaks the sound barrier.
You'll still get a large crack from that.
Best caliber to suppress imo, is. 45 ACP, as it's inherently subsonic, ±, 975FPS, won't break sound barrier (1100FPS).
Best to use a combination of subsonic ammunition with a suppressor for super quiet rounds. Bear in mind subsonic can have problems racking a slide because of decreased pressure. Also bolt actions will suppress better than a slide, as there's no gas escaping from the breach.
That's also from the shooters position. If you fire a supersonic rocket and stand under it you don't hear a sonic boom. So if you're nearby so one shooting supers and suppressed it will be hard to pinpoint the source if you are in the cone
It can help as it makes the firearm heavier so less kick in a way on something like a 9mm or 45acp, but the added length on a handgun can be awkward. I don’t see much of a difference on rifles but the largest I’ve shot with is .308.
While the 2nd sentence is correct, the first one isn't exactly accurate. Hirim Maxim used the term "silencer" for marketing reasons. Also, on NFA forms and in the law books, the term "silencer" is used.
It's like the word "Hacker". Nobody used it in the sense it's used today until that stupid-ass movie. The way language works means that we're just stuck with it.
TLDR; It's pointless to fight the use of the inaccurate term, but it's good to let people know that it doesn't make guns "silent" like that stupid John Wick 2 scene.
So Battlefield tells me these negatively-affect my accuracy and movies tell me they cut the sound to less than 30ish-decibles... Like a fart in the wind.
Please tell me how wrong my world is. LD
Contrary to popular belief, there's nothing quiet about Silencers - even with fancy subsonic cartridges. They may get low enough to be hearing "safe", but they're NOT quiet.
That is not accurate. It reduces the sound of the shot from behind the gun, it does not reduce the sound from in front of the gun. If you're downrange, it's still just as loud as it otherwise would have been.
Unless you're in an action movie. Then it's a tiny *pew* that absolutely nobody can hear except for the victim being held at knifepoint by a fodder antagonist.
Using a suppressor reduces the noise of gas escaping the barrel after a shot is fired, but for maximum sound reduction, subsonic ammo is key. Subsonic rounds stay below the speed of sound, preventing the loud sonic boom that occurs when a bullet breaks the sound barrier. So, combining a suppressor with subsonic ammo results in a significantly quieter shot by avoiding this boom.
You can 3d print smaller calibers like the .22 out of plastic even, rifle calibers are generally 17-4 stainless, or titanium, with the occasional inconel or stellite thrown in (but they can 3d print metal ones too)
So basically you can shoot one without hearing protection is what its really doing.
So yea - every movie you see where its a pew pew sound that no-one would hear is a complete lie... its gonna sound like you're slapping two flip flops together smack wise really hard (depending on caliber of the gun too).
Have a sound meter and a suppressor. Got as low as 96 decibels using subsonic ammo. Numerically, that sounds loud. In practice it’s silly quiet. People usually laugh when they hear just how quiet it is.
Weird but i always knew that a silencer in some way slows down a bullet. Like it makes sense that a silenced weapon deals less damage than a regular one. I knew that shit since i was a kid and played with silenced usp's in cs. Like deep down i knew the physics behind it even if i never cared enough to study them
American inventor Hiram Maxim was credited as first commercially successful silencer- called it “Maxim Silencer.” Theodore Roosevelt was known to used those silencers…
~~He also realized these can be used on combustion engines hence the invention of car mufflers.~~ I'm historically dyslexic.
Wasn't it the other way around? that's what i recall
You're right the patents are in the opposite order.
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The AI companies already will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As in the Maxim gun? The Gatling gun upgrade which didn't require cranking? The one John Marston kills natives with in RDR1?
Yup that Maxim… the son
Hang on. Those were natives?
In before "it's called a suppressor, not a silencer!"
Also the bullet leaves the barrel before the slide goes back all the way
I have no clue about guns but watch that a few times thinking something wasn't right with the spent round ejecting. Thanks for confirming
If the case is extracting before the bullet leaves the barrel your going to have a real bad time.
Sure but the guy to the right will have an even worse time
Lol everyone involved would get a eye pro check
everybody within about a 5 foot radius would have a bad time
It's also missing 2 key elements related to that. Guns that fire more powerful rounds like the 1911 pictured use some kind of system to delay the opening of the breach, the chamber where the pressure of the round is contained. In this case a short recoil system where the barrel recoils backwards with the slide a short ways before stopping, allowing the pressure to drop and the slide to keep going backwards to extract the round. The suppressor is attached to the barrel, adding extra weight to a tuned system with limited tolerances. If you just screw a suppressor to the barrel on a recoil operated gun it's probably gonna misfeed. So a small spring and piston joins the barrel to the suppressor. The inertia of the suppressor keeps it in place while the spring stretches allowing the barrel and slide to recoil backwards. This is called a booster or Nielsen device. The other issue is that by slowing the gas from leaving the barrel and letting it build up in the suppressor it increases back pressure. This pressure makes the gun recoil faster, harder and tend to vent more gases out the action during extraction. The booster helps to address this with the added resistance of the spring but suppressed pistols often need stiffer recoil springs. Suppressed firearms in general tend to wear themselves out faster. This is changing with modern 3d printed flow through suppressor designs that direct the gas forwards. Even with all this, it's still hard for a suppressor to make a firearm even hearing safe for the shooter, let alone movie quiet.
You mean they don't really go *pshoop*? 🙄
A subsonic .22 with a really good suppressor will. Or a .32 ACP Welrod. But that's about it.
.32 ACP I understand, but what does "Welrod" signify?
A very strange looking [suppressed pistol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welrod) from WW2. edit- you can fire it like a normal weapon, but apparently this one *is most effective when fired in contact with the target.* Ice cold assassin pistol right there.
The Welrod is a WWII era British bolt action integrally suppressed handgun intended for irregular and resistance forces. The magazine forms part of the grip to make it smaller, the suppressor is part of the barrel which has holes drilled into it to vent gas earlier into the suppressor. It uses a system of metal baffles and rubber wipes. The wipes are solid round plugs of thin rubber. The bullet has to punch a hole through the rubber which for the first few shots will seal behind the bullet, drastically slowing the gas. It's bolt action so there's no noise of the action cycling. It's apparently been used up to the Gulf War. Reportedly the noise is imperceptible past 15 feet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welrod
Have you seen this? Not as quiet as a .22 with a can on it but still pretty quiet. https://youtu.be/ns96O3ZP0qU?si=wjBgVjH-8Td5wQsB
Yeah, I have. 8.6 Blackout is an interesting concept. Not so much as the whole subsonic-supersonic idea since it's really just scaling 300 Blackout to .338. Or even the idea of scaling a rifle round up to allow a subsonic 9ish mm bullet, the 9x39 does that. It won't even be quieter than 300 Blackout since it's burning more powder and has a larger muzzle diameter. No, the new thing is that it rotates like a motherfucker. The barrels used have a 1 in 3 twist. Meaning the rifling does one whole revolution every 3 inches. Most rounds that diameter use a 1 in 10. So even if the bullet is going subsonic, it's rotating way faster than normal. The idea is that this rotational energy allows for much deeper penetration. This seems to be borne out by gel testing I've seen? But the ballistics at that level are way out of my league.
You also need to have a closed action as in a bolt or lever action. Semi auto or revolver will not be as effective. It also works with any subsonic rounds I’ve seen a video with a Henry Lever action in other calibers with just the ping of the firing pin.
They said it’s how silencers work, not how the rest of the gun actually does.
I need another video
[Here you go buddy](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
No I don’t this video was correct either. The slider was too slicky.
🖕
Yeah that slide is sliding extremely fast
I’m not sure just by eyeballing it but it looks like it’s the bullet moving a bit slow
Yeah and the gun is see through, so not made of metal, which seems kinda dangerous to me.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US1482805A/en The original Patent uses both
That's not technically the original one, he patented his first one in 1908.
Tell that to H.P. Maxim
For real my step dad was a cop when I was younger and had me shoot one and that mf was not silent whatsoever. Movies make it sound like “pew” lol
The movies could just say they were using subsonic rounds in which case they're not always that far off. A silencer can't quiet a round that is "cracking" at the speed of sound after it's left the barrel and it can't quiet the noise from the giant open ejection port, but it sure can dissipate the sound at the muzzle, which is enough to make people ask "did you hear something? Must have been the wind." Because it sounds more like a wizzzz than anything. Not every gun is chambered to fire rounds that use enough powder to push heavy bullets but still keep below the speed of sound. That's where silencers really come in to play.
The only reality where movies are “not far off” even using subsonic is on a bolt gun. Cycling actions of every single gun I’ve shot is loud as hell. Even with subsonic most guns are barely hearing safe.
Suppressors get it down to 110-120dB, which is still crazy loud. Anything over 85dB has the potential to damage your hearing
Yea, a "silencer" just brings the gun down to the volume someone without actual gun experience expects an unsuppressed gun to be at.
The first one was actually called a silencer
True, but they also used to call ballistic armor "bulletproof armor" They change terms and labels to more accurately fit the realities surrounding them.
The inventor called them silencers. I guess he could have been wrong. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer\_(firearms)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms))
The inventor of the Gatling gun assured his weapon would end all wars and bring about world peace. Obviously since he invented it he was correct and knew everything about his invention and couldn't possibly be incorrect about the future
inb4 they're also never actually silent unless using an incredibly high quality, also usually wet condition, suppressor with subsonic ammunition and even then somebody 15 feet away will still hear it. 🤫
The point is to make it sound like a somewhat loud random noise and not a gunshot.
Sub rounds through a suppressor that uses a replaceable wipe on a bolt action rifle are quieter than the sound of the trigger hammer dropping and striking the firing pin. Pretty eerie. In a noisy environment you’d be hard pressed to distinguish it from the ambient noise.
I love my 300 blackout bolt gun with subs and wipe suppressor.
I have a .22lr that is like this, they're already quiet but suppressed with sub rounds the only noises it makes are the rattling from reloading the next round and the firing pin "clink", a soft "pfft" like an air rifle, and then the sound of the impact. and yeah >In a noisy environment you’d be hard pressed to distinguish it from the ambient noise. i could probably magdump in my backyard at midday and no one would notice over the sounds of birds, cicadas, and road traffic.
Even if you use a single shot pistol you'll still hear the firing pin smacking the primer.
Sold by "Silencer Co" The arguments amuse me.
I love when people say this, and the ATF calls them silencers lol
I remember thinking silencers were actually silent like in the movies
James Bond ^pew
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Right there is when those movies just became too dumb.
Dumb?? All I saw was a bunch of people minding their business while 2 professionals handled theirs without involving civilians. That is the utopia I dream of.
Dude, that happens *all the time*. You just never notice it. "Oh, I guess that tile fell at random. Good thing it didn't hit anyone." No. It was shot off and you just didn't see the people working.
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As long as the safety inspector does not find anything they should be fine
My issue was the noise their guns weren't making.
The entire premise of John Wick is that they're dumb, over-the-top action movies.
There are levels to suspension of disbelief. At that point, they might as well have started flying and using finger guns.
They fly now?!
and they still would have been kick ass movies. Fiction is fiction.
Agreed. I'm not surprised at all some people from Reddit watch these movies and get all hot and bothered. I can watch all the wick movies back to back all day and only be upset when the pizza runs out.
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I dont think being bothered about the change in tone of a saga is as bad as you put it. They are cool films to watch, but I dont see OP being "Hot and bothered", just explaining how the series has gone from a mild suspensión of disbelief to a blind Guy shooting people with great accuracy. Which is cool if you dont mind It, but there are people Who liked the more grounded setting of the first film, even if they enjoyed the rest.
The first one is at least somewhat realistic and believable. Everything after that just gets more and more unrealistic.
I’m in the group that thinks that series is getting better and better with each entry, but I know many people who prefer the first one. Give me the complete insanity of part 4 with the rave shootouts, the Hotline Miami overhead oner, the Paris circle car chase and that ridiculous stair falling gag any day.
I love all the John Wick films. If the first one was "somewhat realistic and believable" John Wick would have died 12 different times.
This is basically what happens to the majoirty of sequels, especially action. It's because the studio/writers/production team all think they have to "top" the last movie, and give "more" than the previous. "More explosions!", "More guns!", "More car chases!","MORE!". Which is why they start getting ridiculous. The Fast and the Furious franchise and John Wick movies are really some of the very few that were at least self aware of it enough and just kind of ran with it. Which is how you go from this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L\_Cb1OepkY8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Cb1OepkY8) To this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qomc0YuGlAI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qomc0YuGlAI)
That's the point, it's set in a different world
"guh!!" \*body thuds to the floor\*
The 300blk are really quiet and the .22 are pretty much movie level noise with sub sonic rounds. https://youtube.com/shorts/xh09rh9_svs?si=ThfKQH7uMu_Zu0Pf https://youtu.be/jiq5T_EtGJw?si=zF3xr26Z7mKorolo
Damn, the slide makes more sound than the bullet.
The Welrod from ww2 is basically a bolt action pistol which was made to combat exactly that. It was internally silenced and the user would have to cycle the gun every time it was fired, so the slide wouldn't make that sound. One if the quietest guns ever
remember it from sniper elite.
BT basically makes these now, primarily for veterinarians who have to put down animals , or at least that's the marketing. [BT station 6](https://youtu.be/JKei5sySmB0?si=_6RIbiXhHVRsB5Tc)
Bruger and Thommet makes a modern type of this weapon that they will only sell to the CIA and other western.. intelligence agencies. those suppressors have rubber disks that the bullet passes through that blocks more gas between each baffle to make them quieter which normal suppressors do not have
Semiauto pistols that were designed to be used as a suppressed clandestine weapon will typically add a slide lock for exactly that reason.
And the crazy part is they’re really deadly in CQC since the 300 still have a lot of mass- going through different type of walls. Punching through the cover with deadly force
The slide/action is honestly a significant part of the sound. I have a bolt action 300 blackout (i.e., no noise from cycling during the shot) and with a suppressor it's literally quieter than me snapping my fingers
I always thought the movies were bullshit but that's pretty dang quiet.
The sound supression of that .22 is awesome
Buddy has a FNX 45 with a osprey suppressor. The damn slide is the loudest part of that gun.
Subsonic .22 with a good silencer you can make basically soundless.
Saw a pistol with a modified slide as well that locked to prevent any gas leaving with the case ejection and it was dead silent.
You can make them silent like in the movies IF you have the right setup
Yeah, the technology behind those 300blk sub sonic rounds and silencers are just incredible now.
To be fair they can be. It’s just bullets are usually supersonic so they’re loud anyway. If you have a subsonic bullet and a good silencer it is like the films. Like the Welrod from the Second World War. It was a pistol that was so quiet they made it bolt action so there wasn’t a sound of the case ejecting and hitting the floor.
Who’s that comedian that has the bit about the victims of silencered guns also dying silently…
They can be, as others have said subsonic rounds work well when paired with a suppressor. The sonic boom is really loud if your round isn't subsonic though and most aren't (because subsonic is lower speed, lower range, and lower power)
Yup. Here's a good [video](https://youtu.be/PEoh-MmpJNM?si=7RoBuufWU5eG2Q0q) of an M14 with a suppressor firing normal rounds and then subsonic rounds. The normal rounds sound about as loud as typical gunfire. The subsonic rounds, on the other hand, are barely making a noise. The sound from the gun's mechanism when he's manually pulling the bolt is seemingly louder.
Funny the sub sonic round does not have enough energy to cycle the gun.
The round has enough energy in theory but the gas system in the gun needs to be tuned to handle it.
M14 has an adjustable gas system I believe? Might just need to be tuned a bit.
I mean, they basically are, the problem is there's 3 different things that make noise with a gun: 1. The loudest and most obvious part, the blast of the powder going off. This is the part a suppressor makes quieter, and in a lot of cases pretty much silent. 2. The bullet, most bullets are supersonic, meaning they move faster than the speed of sound. Much like a supersonic plane, or a whip, simply moving faster than the speed of sound makes a loud sonic boom. This can be mitigated by using subsonic ammunition. 3. The gun, anything fully or semi-automatic is going to make quite a lot of mechanical noise just from the action cycling, using something that's manually cycled like a bolt action rifle would mitigate this. If you just slap a suppressor on something like an AR-15 with regular ammo, it will still be pretty loud, just the sonic boom is enough to cause hearing damage. Using subsonic ammo the loudest parts will be the action cycling and bullets hitting your targets/the ground.
They can be pretty close if your shooting sub sonic
Fun fact, they actually can be. There have been several firearms throughout history that are, literally, dead quiet. The mp5SD is one, when used with subsonic ammunition, operators report that often the only audible aspect is the bolt slamming in the receiver of the weapon. Another is the welrod from WW2, instead of using just baffles to bleed gas off, it also uses what are called wipes, rubber discs placed in between the baffles that the bullet actually punches through on it's way out, the wipes will actually reseal behind the bullet, again reported as being so quiet, within 5 or 10 feet (or some ridiculously small distance) you cannot tell that a gun has just been fired. If you're actually interested, Ian from Forgotten Weapons on YouTube has videos on both
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I thought I was the only one who was gonna mention it
Low hanging fruit, really
The case ejecting before the bullet has cleared the barrel immediately tells me this person knows little about guns
Also the gas coming out of the bullet like a rocket, instead expanding and pushing the bullet out
Farty bullet goes brrrr
The gyrojet after taco bell
Yeah that was my first observation, it looks like the gas is coming from the bullet which is super wrong.
Mega wrong even
Gyrojet!
Bullet is also not spinning, what is this a revolutionary musket?
This feels like back-end devs complaining about front-end.
The animation also started with the bullet waaaaay behind the chamber
I mean the entire animation starts at the back of the receiver it’s bizarre.
Not only has the projectile not left the barrel, the case is ejected before it even leaves the chamber. That would both be the slide breaking the speed of sound by a multitude, and result in an explosion happening right in front of you. Sorry, scratch that. The bullet somehow spawns at the rear of the slide where the firing pin would be. The case is ejected somehow before anything ever touches the chamber (it gets there around 5 seconds in).
Well it’s not the focus of the animatic and probably saved on production cost just to reuse an already existing asset. It’s really not that big of a flub, and the everything relating to the silencer as well as how it slows down the release of gas, reducing the temperature between them and the surrounding air to make the shot less deafening is correct.
It's a comically bad animation. I'll add to the list of things that are wrong by mentioning that a locked breech pistol requires the use of a piston when using a suppressor to compensate for the extra weight that's now hanging off the barrel. Otherwise the pistol won't work correctly as the barrel won't move backwards with enough energy to unlock the action and cycle the slide.
Its a gyrojet
"the gases expand and cool" did it for me.
When gasses expand they do cool though? When gasses expand without additional heat added, the decrease in pressure slows the gas molecule down. Which in turn, lowers the temperature of the gas. Not exactly the gotcha ya thought you had lol. Also known as the Joule-Thomson effect.
What do you think gases actually do when they expand?
That's actually the only part he got right.
Really? Whoever made this has no idea. There is no free air turbulence inside the barrel. When the slug exits the barrel the gas behind it is expanding so fast that, along with a shockwave, it makes a huge, football-shaped ball of fire in front of the muzzle, which is one of the things the suppressor breaks up. It's good animation, just not real accurate.
The bullet’s fart turns from yellow to blue which means it’s quieter now. That’s all you need to know.
How does this work with a potato silencer though?
Slug is the term for typically used only for shotgun projectiles. Pistols fire bullets.
Slug is a term for a solid piece projectile. Shotguns can shoot slugs. But slug could and is sometimes used to refer to bullets as well.
Yeah you're right I forgot about non-jacketed projectiles in revolvers and other obscure examples where people like to call them slugs. But it's not very common unless you use terms like 'wheelgun' and 'dagnabit'.
I had a pistol that shot a slug. It's guts went everywhere.
Depends on the bullet, a normal 9mm won't have a "fireball" at the tip.
Bullet, powder, barrel length, pressure. So many contributing factors that to say matter of factly there will be a football shaped fireball is ridiculous.
Damn that bullet can fart
Shitty illustration doesn’t know how guns work.
*BULLET FART*
No way I'd ever fire that pistol.
Silencers/suppressors should be much easier to purchase. It would be great to reduce the noise at a range and while hunting. They are legal in most European countries, especially for hunting to reduce noise pollution.
The wait time on NFA stamp for silencers has been greatly reduced, at the moment at least you usually get approved within 3-4 days using the eForm. https://i.imgur.com/J5As8qe.png Still a bit annoying you need to pay for a tax stamp, but at least you're not waiting 6+ months.
True but we shouldn't need the tax stamp at all. Should be no harder than it is to buy a firearm. If anything, it should be reversed: you need a special tax stamp to get approved to buy a handgun.
Still a terrible piece of legislation.
Ya I wish, they’re illegal in Canada and it’s lame lol.
I've heard that in some places in Europe it's even considered rude to hunt without a suppressor.
Oddly, the suppressor wouldn't matter in the graphic because the firearm depicted isn't functioning properly. The case was ejected almost immediately thus expelling all of the gas pressure from the breach rather than propelling the bullet through the barrel.
the "barrel" doesnt begin till like 2 inches of the bullet traveling lol
There is also that. The round isn't even in battery when fired.
Don't worry about it, according to the animation the gas is being continuously expelled from the bullet itself, so it keeps building the pressure back up!
Would a longer suppressor reduce sound more? Or does it have dimishing returns?
There’s a video on YouTube by GarandThumb where they kept adding segments until the bullet didn’t make it out. That video would give a lot of related info to your question.
It’s going to depend on length, internal volume and baffle design.
More length (i.e. more baffles and internal volume) reduces sound signature up to a point. Eventually you're gonna basically eliminate any sound from escaping propellant, and what's gonna be left is the sound of the action of the gun and the supersonic crack of the bullet (unless you're using subsonics). The suppressor won't reduce either of those sounds.
Every single one of his videos gets reposted here damn
Also people forget about supersonic vs subsonic ammunition. Can't really suppress a bullet all that much that's travelling at 3500FPS, and breaks the sound barrier. You'll still get a large crack from that. Best caliber to suppress imo, is. 45 ACP, as it's inherently subsonic, ±, 975FPS, won't break sound barrier (1100FPS). Best to use a combination of subsonic ammunition with a suppressor for super quiet rounds. Bear in mind subsonic can have problems racking a slide because of decreased pressure. Also bolt actions will suppress better than a slide, as there's no gas escaping from the breach.
My favorite is 22, with the right suppressor and subs, you can get those movie quiet.
That's also from the shooters position. If you fire a supersonic rocket and stand under it you don't hear a sonic boom. So if you're nearby so one shooting supers and suppressed it will be hard to pinpoint the source if you are in the cone
That's really a pretty bad rendering, the brass ejects as the cartridge fires and the bullet is in the pipe?
First shot is also louder than follow up shots, I love mine it’s nice being able to introduce new shooters to firearms without the loud report.
I've never fired with one but I've wanted to try them. Do they also help with recoil or make it worse?
It can help as it makes the firearm heavier so less kick in a way on something like a 9mm or 45acp, but the added length on a handgun can be awkward. I don’t see much of a difference on rifles but the largest I’ve shot with is .308.
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While the 2nd sentence is correct, the first one isn't exactly accurate. Hirim Maxim used the term "silencer" for marketing reasons. Also, on NFA forms and in the law books, the term "silencer" is used. It's like the word "Hacker". Nobody used it in the sense it's used today until that stupid-ass movie. The way language works means that we're just stuck with it. TLDR; It's pointless to fight the use of the inaccurate term, but it's good to let people know that it doesn't make guns "silent" like that stupid John Wick 2 scene.
That's not a very good model. See slow-motion shots of acrylic cased baffle cores
bullet fart
Why are the gasses larger than the diameter of the bullet inside the barrel?
So Battlefield tells me these negatively-affect my accuracy and movies tell me they cut the sound to less than 30ish-decibles... Like a fart in the wind. Please tell me how wrong my world is. LD
"slightly less loud"-ener
The noise also depends on if the rounds are subsonic or not.
It's still pretty loud. 140db is loud, but it's only taken down to 120db, maybe 110db with a great suppressor.
Why is the bullet farting tho
Way back in the 80s me and a buddy tried to use a pillow as a silencer like in the movies. It was still loud and the pillow kinda caught fire.
If you're going to make a video like this, maybe learn that it's called a suppressor first
Contrary to popular belief, there's nothing quiet about Silencers - even with fancy subsonic cartridges. They may get low enough to be hearing "safe", but they're NOT quiet.
My suppressed .22 bolty would beg to differ
That is not accurate. It reduces the sound of the shot from behind the gun, it does not reduce the sound from in front of the gun. If you're downrange, it's still just as loud as it otherwise would have been.
Are you saying pistol silencers because silencers for other guns work differently or just because that’s what it’s showing in the video?
Because of the vid...idk anything about silencers
They are the same thing. Suppressor is the more modern/accurate term.
Unless you're in an action movie. Then it's a tiny *pew* that absolutely nobody can hear except for the victim being held at knifepoint by a fodder antagonist.
Maybe thats just me but i feel like you should give the credits to @zackdfilms on youtube because its clearly his video
Using a suppressor reduces the noise of gas escaping the barrel after a shot is fired, but for maximum sound reduction, subsonic ammo is key. Subsonic rounds stay below the speed of sound, preventing the loud sonic boom that occurs when a bullet breaks the sound barrier. So, combining a suppressor with subsonic ammo results in a significantly quieter shot by avoiding this boom.
Wonder if you could 3d print a silencer from some kind of carbon fiber filament. The design looks easy to make
You can 3d print smaller calibers like the .22 out of plastic even, rifle calibers are generally 17-4 stainless, or titanium, with the occasional inconel or stellite thrown in (but they can 3d print metal ones too)
So basically you can shoot one without hearing protection is what its really doing. So yea - every movie you see where its a pew pew sound that no-one would hear is a complete lie... its gonna sound like you're slapping two flip flops together smack wise really hard (depending on caliber of the gun too).
Does it mean that the bullet moves slower after it leaves the silencer?
This is my talking to kids voice!
Just a curiosity: what effects would a silencer have if it was conical. Wide at the start and shallow at the exit?
But does it affect the velocity of the bullet?
Was the person speaking Michael! From Vsauce?!
Have a sound meter and a suppressor. Got as low as 96 decibels using subsonic ammo. Numerically, that sounds loud. In practice it’s silly quiet. People usually laugh when they hear just how quiet it is.
Nothing beats the old pillow trick.
And the government regulates this item... all it is is hearing conservation.
The longer the suppressor, the silencer the…. Silencer.
suppresors in movies and videos games be like. thup! thup!
Why is my bullet farting apocalypticly?
Is that Doctor Nefario’s gun???
Weird but i always knew that a silencer in some way slows down a bullet. Like it makes sense that a silenced weapon deals less damage than a regular one. I knew that shit since i was a kid and played with silenced usp's in cs. Like deep down i knew the physics behind it even if i never cared enough to study them